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I am sick of words and symbols being used to hide the truth, to somehow spin the unacceptable into easily digested apparently harmless actions and phrases.

"Nothing shocking here, move along, its just an easily remedied temporary localised free radical reaction and will be dealt with shortly once the appropriate action committee has been notified."

I suppose shouting "fire" would no longer be acceptable.

Talking point

What they would like you to believe.

After an in depth analysis had been carried out this truth became evident.


What they really mean.

Any old vaguely plausible shit that we could come up with to justify our actions, and if repeated often enough it might create an alternative reality.

Collateral damage

What they would like you to believe.

An adjoining wall was knocked down during our 10 minute intervention targeting suspected terrorists.

What they really mean.

Bodies were scattered all over the village during our 10 minute bombardment.  We really don't know who was slaughtered. There was not enough left to tell for sure, but they were probably not Americans so they are of no real consequence.


Suspected Terrorist

What they would like you to believe.

He was a terrorist and had the bombs strapped to his chest just waiting for Obama to visit the Swat valley, and if not Obama then you, yes you!


What they really mean.

We are not sure, but someone gave us his name, also when and where he would be having dinner. So we killed twenty women and children but we got the suspected target. What was his name again Fred.... an Al Qaeda number 2 for sure...

Enhanced Interrogation

What they would like you to believe.

During the questioning period the prisoner was not given milk and cookies at bed-time and asked difficult questions in a sophisticated manner.
The prisoner was found to have died of natural causes.


What they really mean.

The prisoner was subjected to repeated torture over a prolonged period of time, and died naturally from the causes.

Patriotism

What they would like you to believe.

A warm glow and a sense of feeling a part of a wider community living in the most wonderful and perfect country on earth.


What they really mean.

My country right or wrong. Torture, pre-emptive war, and extraordinary rendition are perfectly acceptable when we do it for our own safety.

Conservatism

What they would like you to believe.

A perfect world where every American lives the American dream and the rest of the world bows down to our exceptialism as Americans.


What they really mean.

Get off my lawn, and gimmie that or else, effing furreners we are number one!.

Rule of law

What they would like you to believe.

The application of the Constitution and the Bill of rights and the treatment of all equally before the law.


What they really mean.

The law is what we say it is at any given moment, and we can produce legal arguments to prove it because we have more money and power than you do sucker.

Extraordinary Rendition

What they would like you to believe.

They were given a first class ticket to an exotic country.


What they really mean.

They were kidnapped, beaten and flown off to a clandestine torture unit.

Wearing a Flag Pin

What they would like you to believe.

Shows just how much I love my country.


What they really mean.

I checked in my capacity for intelligent argument with my coat but my nationalism is showing on my lapel.

We are a Christian nation

What they would like you to believe.

We are a spiritual nation dedicated to living out the teachings of Jesus.


What they really mean.

We have a book to prove it and anything we do can be justified by interpreting it correctly. Bigoted certainly not, its written here is this 25th translation and sorry but the original was lost. Warlike? Did you see what God got us to do in the first part? Eat dust heathen.

But, but

What they would like you to believe.

A highly persuasive argument is about to follow.


What they really mean.

What shit/talking point can I come up with quickly to explain this mess.

Finally a new one, I really wish this one had not cropped up:

Preventative Detention.

What they would like you to believe.

They have been locked up for acts they have done in the past [but we cannot produce any evidence that would stand up in a court of law], and we know they will do terrible things in the future. This will keep us safe.


What they really mean.

We can lock anyone up that we feel like with no trial and no proof for any period of time. So be afraid of us since we have lost all reason.

Originally posted to LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 05:27 AM PDT.

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    •  A real shame (10+ / 0-)

      "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

      by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 05:42:43 AM PDT

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      •  Rachel Rachel Rachel (3+ / 0-)
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        It's one thing to be a rabble rouser and give constructive criticism. It's another thing to criticize the president as if he is part of the problem. He obviously inherited multiple purposefully constructed disasters from the previous administration and it's only four months since his inauguration. Sure he has said some things that you don't agree with. You can state your opinion on that. But realize that he is still working on overturning the legacy of the past eight years.

        Don't worry about the dust on the windowsill when there is a large pile of elephant poop in the middle of the room.

        An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

        by rini6 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 05:55:03 AM PDT

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        •  I think he came up with this in his (5+ / 0-)

          administration.

          Its a new one on me anyway.

          "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

          by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 05:59:09 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not blaming W (3+ / 0-)
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            I do agree that Obama has spoken out of both sides of his mouth. Before he was elected, I had a feeling he had this tendency. He really adjusts what he says to the situation. This is not always good. I know. I also think that he should abolish military tribunals and extraordinary rendition.

            But I also know that he is trying to close Gitmo (and meeting resistance from even democrats. Why is it that they all supplicate to the lowest common denominator in their constituency?) I know that he is regulating co2 like we have never seen before (it may not be enough, but that's another story.)

            I feel like he is turning this country around and I feel that Rachel Maddow is overreacting a bit by concentrating on the things she doesn't agree with.  I am not saying that she shouldn't talk about these things on her show. We should criticize....just with some perspective.

            An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

            by rini6 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 06:06:54 AM PDT

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            •  things she doesn't agree with (0+ / 0-)

              I am thankful that she is shining a spotlight on this because it is so very wrong.

              Will there come a time in this country when this would apply to any of us?

              "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." Thomas Jefferson

              by allenjo on Sat May 23, 2009 at 07:45:12 AM PDT

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              •  No, there won't (0+ / 0-)

                That's why your fears are completely unfounded and illusionary.

                No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

                by MnplsLiberal on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:29:05 AM PDT

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                •  okay, good to know (0+ / 0-)

                  I will have no more illusions or fears about this issue.

                  "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." Thomas Jefferson

                  by allenjo on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:38:18 AM PDT

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                  •  You will always have illusions and fears (0+ / 0-)

                    You can't escape them. However, knowing that we are all neurotically afraid and that the monsters conjured up by both the Left and the Right are illusions is good news.

                    We humans are built in such a way that we see things that are not strictly there. We see faces in coffee stains, we hear the voices of ghosts in static, we see the Virgin Mary in the random patterns of an adobe wall or "Allah is great" in Arabic script in a clump of twisted trees.

                    And we see the grand march of global fascism in the closely parsed words of a speech. When we look at things too closely they break up and dissolve. It is at that point that our subconscious mind injects it's delusions and we mistake those fears for the Real.

                    Don't do that.

                    The trick is to perceive reality in illusion itself.

                    No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

                    by MnplsLiberal on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:52:29 AM PDT

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        •  Politicians usually hold on to power. (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm for giving Obama more time to prove he's different. But not an infinite amount of it.

          Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

          by billmosby on Sat May 23, 2009 at 06:05:22 AM PDT

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          •  Yeah.. I agree. (3+ / 0-)

            He is definitely a politician. Yet, he seems to be one that is actually trying to achieve some of the goals I believe in.

            An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

            by rini6 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 06:07:57 AM PDT

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            •  Dangerous road, that. (4+ / 0-)
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              Since politicians like to hold onto power, it is a cumulative process. At some point, one of them will be doing things we don't believe in. And if their powers include preventive detention, they can use that for whatever reason they like. Today, it's "he's a terrorist". Tomorrow? fill in the blank. I would prefer not to head down that road, but unfortunately we're already pretty far along on that trip. Didn't start with this administration, but I'm not too confident it will end with this one, either.

              Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

              by billmosby on Sat May 23, 2009 at 06:33:56 AM PDT

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              •  That's true. (1+ / 0-)
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                However, I don't think he is taking us further down that road at this point. He may not bring us all of the way back, but we are moving in the right direction...at least a little bit. If we get rid of Gitmo, which I really think he is trying to do, it will be an important step.

                An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

                by rini6 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 06:38:02 AM PDT

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  •  Since you're going the (11+ / 0-)

    way of ole Soviet Union, here's a Soviet-era Russian joke to lift your spirits:

    Q: Which is the tallest bulding in Moscow?
    A: Lubyanka. You can see Siberia from the basement.

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Sat May 23, 2009 at 05:32:31 AM PDT

  •  Hey (3+ / 0-)
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    If you gotta think of shit to cover your ass.
    Don't even bother going to the bathroom.

    So the terrorists of Gitmo are stronger, faster, and better than the USDOJ? The Senate thinks so. My. How "American".

    by RElland on Sat May 23, 2009 at 05:41:17 AM PDT

  •  Here's another one for you: The Far Left (3+ / 0-)
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    What they would like you to believe.

    The group of people who oppose war and "enhanced interrogation."

    What they really mean.

    The group of loons who oppose everything that keeps America safe, because they're all a bunch of socialist, Commie hippies.

    /snark

    Very nice diary.

    •  The Liberal media (0+ / 0-)

      What they would like you to believe.

      It exists

      What they really mean.

      You are lucky to have any voice whatsoever and we are doing our very best to silence what there is of it.

      "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

      by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 10:11:12 AM PDT

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  •  great diary LaFeminista (5+ / 0-)
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    I hope it gets noticed.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
    President Obama. Still a thrill to see that in print.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Sat May 23, 2009 at 07:11:38 AM PDT

  •  As in, We will hold you forever (1+ / 0-)
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    We will hold you forever

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." Thomas Jefferson

    by allenjo on Sat May 23, 2009 at 07:42:19 AM PDT

  •  obama isn brilliant (1+ / 0-)
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    He goes to the middle on national security and gets the approval of the middle right voters and a few republicans.
    He may piss off the left but they have nowhere to go, the gop is not a viable option and a third party is self defeating. So the left is stuck with Obama. Domestically he is pretty progressive or seems to be.  He picks up support from the right and he most likely wins a landslide re-election short of a catastrophe.

    •  Brilliant but a long term problem (0+ / 0-)

      He is only progressive relative to Bush/Cheney. Stem cells and emission standards are fine but in the life and death issues: the economy and wars he is a disaster. We will still be in the same places/wars at the end of his second term. On the economy he continues sucking working people dry to support his financial supporters - the same policy as Bush. We are in for a very long period of severe unemployment because he is unwilling to restructure the banks and get them back in the lending business and out of the other businesses they are in. He has just changed the accounting rules so that the banks can be even more creative in how they present their financial conditions. When I said to a client of mine, who is a investment manager, that Goldman Sachs is running the treasury he responded "they are running the government".

  •  You nailed it. (1+ / 0-)
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    The words "opiate to the masses" kept going through my mind as I read this.
    It seems most people don't want to hear reality. Americans tend to be content with lies as long as they can continue building their personal little kingdom,  and as long as none of it affects them personally.

    "I can't give you a sure-fire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."

    by Oke on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:06:54 AM PDT

  •  Cynicism is a poison that will destroy you (0+ / 0-)

    It's an acid that poisons everything and counsels passivity and despair. The diary is a constructed narrative spun out of thin air and built with stereotypes, fantasies and outright delusions of what the real world is.

    It is a phantasm possessing only the thinest thread of connection to the Real. Powered by fear and despair it represents a retreat from what is into the warm reassurances of the similarly deluded.

    "So be afraid of us since we have lost all reason."

    No thanks, I prefer to see things in the cold light of reason and reject your counsel of despair.

    No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

    by MnplsLiberal on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:26:39 AM PDT

    •  Humor is... (1+ / 0-)
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      LaFeminista

      the flip side of cynicism, and the other way 'round.

      "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

      by dolfin66 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 09:20:34 AM PDT

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    •  You must buy the BS. (0+ / 0-)

      Its the tone with which it is said that gives it away, just listen to Cheney speak. Obama tried hard to reconcile his BS with rhetoric and spreading the rule of law thickly over the cracks.

      "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

      by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 10:14:19 AM PDT

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      •  I'm speaking of your tone (0+ / 0-)

        and of your cynicism. Which is what I'm hearing consistently from Leftists these days. I reject your counsel of despair.

        You should too. Let go of your despair and embrace hope.

        But... you won't. I suspect because you'll perceive that as too gooey, too "soft". Whereas you believe yourself to be the hard head realist looking at the world through your cold calculating eye. That realism is itself an illusion.

        Hope is only where despair is.

        No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

        by MnplsLiberal on Sat May 23, 2009 at 01:53:01 PM PDT

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        •  Your use of the term 'leftists' says it all (0+ / 0-)

          Hope is a useful tool, it is used to avoid change actually taking place.

          "I hope it will change" is a static phrase, it implies no action will take place except the mental state of hoping something actually takes place to change the present situation.

          Give someone hope for tomorrow, and you can continue whipping them today.

          "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

          by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 02:12:43 PM PDT

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          •  You're not a Leftist? (0+ / 0-)

            I could have sworn you said you were. I'm center left, Obama is center right. Marxists are extreme Left, Ron Paul is a far right populist. They're just handy dandy labels. No judgment is meant nor implied.

            "I hope it will change" is a static phrase...

            But I never said that. I don't understand why you falsely attribute that quote to me. I don't "hope" things will change, I just believe that hope is more powerful than despair. Don't you?

            I hear a lot of fear and despair coming from the Left on DKos these days and I'd like to dispel that. I think it's a misguided and false perception, an illusion of the mind, that people sometimes fall under.

            For instance your diary today, a lot of those statements you make that you attribute to the Big Other don't really make sense to me. They don't "map" to what I know. You've constructed your own nice little narrative but I don't think it has very strong connections to reality. Somewhat perhaps, but mostly not.

            It's pretty consistent here on DKos for the commentariot to get all worked up over something and then days or weeks pass and it never is realized. George Bush never did suspend the constitution and declare martial law. The GOP did not engage in massive voter fraud in order to defeat Obama. And Obama is not a dictator who's gonna round up dissenters and rendition them off to CIA prison camps. I mean really, come on, listen to yourselves.

            No one cares about what you think, unless you do what you think. No one cares what you do, unless you think about what you do.

            by MnplsLiberal on Sat May 23, 2009 at 02:48:15 PM PDT

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            •  You are left of center? (0+ / 0-)

              Bwahahahahaha

              Like Specter? I suppose you can determine what you feel is the center but from what I have read of your comments I wouldn't exactly put you on the left.

              'Leftists' is an awkward and ugly word, usually used by the right to group together people and policies they do not understand.

              They only way to change something is to act, hope has nothing to do with it.

              The diary is about the use of PC terms to hide the reality by today's pundits and politicians, just to keep you on track and away from the voter fraud conspiracy theories.

              "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

              by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 04:17:42 PM PDT

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  •  There was a whole list... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... of stuff like this about how scientists BS in their papers.  (I dropped the sample, but managed to clean it up - and so on.)  The world is full of Newspeak and CYA at every friggin' turn.

    Good, even though discouraging/wearisome, list.

    The river always wins. -- Mark Twain

    by Land of Enchantment on Sat May 23, 2009 at 08:42:09 AM PDT

    •  Please site some... (0+ / 0-)

      of that scientific B.S. you talk about.  Write a diary about how scientists are misleading us all.

      "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

      by dolfin66 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 09:28:54 AM PDT

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      •  It was snarky mostly (2+ / 0-)
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        But I don't know where that sheet is now.  Kind of thing you find posted on office doors in labs, along with the Gary Larson cartoons and silly photographs from work in the field.

        The river always wins. -- Mark Twain

        by Land of Enchantment on Sat May 23, 2009 at 09:38:33 AM PDT

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        •  Most of the posters... (0+ / 0-)

          of anti-science stuff have a political and/or religious agenda that turns out to be the real bullshit.

          "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

          by dolfin66 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 09:55:17 AM PDT

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      •  Actually I have read some pretty good (1+ / 0-)
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        BS in papers being submitted for review.

        That's why reviews are done.

        ;)

        "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

        by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 10:06:32 AM PDT

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        •  Journal of Irreproducible Results... (1+ / 0-)
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          ever perused a copy of that one? Scientific humor at it best. You have to know a lot about bioscience, statistics, and other things slightly outside my field to fully appreciate it, though.

          And that reminds me of a joke entry I happened upon in the Physics Abstracts, I think it was, from sometime around 1964, purporting to be an abstract of a paper entitled something like "Dielectric Materialism", full of puns combining dielectric materials and Marxism. I have searched high and low for it for the last few years and have come up empty so far.

          Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

          by billmosby on Sat May 23, 2009 at 01:27:40 PM PDT

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          •  If you ever find it... (0+ / 0-)

            I would love to read it.  I worked for years as an "expert" in circuit card assembly using fiberglass as the dielectric substance.

            "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

            by dolfin66 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 03:34:49 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe I'll put it up as a diary... (1+ / 0-)
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              I should amend the title slightly, it was "Dielectrical Materialism".  I do find the phrase in Google searches, but it is invariably someone laughing at a typo.

              Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

              by billmosby on Sat May 23, 2009 at 04:15:53 PM PDT

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        •  Indeed. (0+ / 0-)

          My best friend is a significant contributor to the science of biology at the University of San Diego and he tells me all sorts of stories about people trying to float goofy ideas at conferences he attends.  He says most of the weird people get shouted down, the rest are ignored.

          "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

          by dolfin66 on Sun May 24, 2009 at 07:34:16 AM PDT

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      •  Nit: site s/b cite . . s/t (0+ / 0-)

        The river always wins. -- Mark Twain

        by Land of Enchantment on Sat May 23, 2009 at 10:22:38 AM PDT

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  •  You missed one... (0+ / 0-)

    Gun Control

    What they want you to believe:
    "We will be a safer nation if all guns are registered with responsible owners who have passed a gun safety program and have promised not to harm anyone nice plus keep their firearms safe from children."

    What they really mean:
    "Guns are our birthright and nobody can take them from us.  Registration means they want to come in black helicopters and take my guns so I will be defenseless against the tyrranical government that wants me to pay taxes for "those peoples'" r social programs."

    Did I get that right, or should it be the other way around.  I guess I just don't know anymore.

    "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

    by dolfin66 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 09:27:51 AM PDT

    •  Thar gonna tahck owr gunz! (1+ / 0-)
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      Nice catch.

      ;)

      "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs."-- Susan [-4.88. -6.97]

      by LaFeminista on Sat May 23, 2009 at 10:07:57 AM PDT

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      •  Read my diaries... (0+ / 0-)

        from Thursday and Friday about guns.  Read the comments.  It's a real eye opener about the creatures that live on this blog.

        "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

        by dolfin66 on Sat May 23, 2009 at 03:36:22 PM PDT

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        •  I read your diary from Wednesday just now.. (1+ / 0-)
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          Are they really letting 18 and 19 year olds concealed carry? At least here in Utah it's the usual 21 and over. I live about a 5 minute walk from the University of Utah and have been watching what I call the "experiment" for I guess a couple of years now. So far, so good. And I have to say, for whatever it may say about me, that I feel safe whenever I take a walk on that campus, which I often do.

          Oh, and now there's a bill before the legislature that would further clarify something else that is already legal, and that would be open carry in most places, to include campuses.

          Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

          by billmosby on Sat May 23, 2009 at 04:29:37 PM PDT

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          •  Welcome back... (1+ / 0-)
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            to the 1890s.  The wild west will live forever.  Maybe a new fashion will emerge:  jangling spurs, red bandanas tied around the neck, leather vests and floppy hats.  Ah.  Just like when I went to the movies as a kid.  Oh.  Wait.  That was in 1950.  I must be dreaming.  Guns on campus, guns on buses, guns in restaurants, guns on the street.....  Aren't you glad you're not a police officer?

            "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

            by dolfin66 on Sun May 24, 2009 at 06:40:39 AM PDT

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              .. modified somewhat. In the horsey interstices in the outlying burbs around here. Where we went on a 50-mile bicycle ride yesterday (West Jordan area). Also can be seen around Centerville, where the club often rides. And I'm sure in many other places in the intermountain west. No guns visible though- you wouldn't want to take a fall off a horse and land on such a thing, rocks are bad enough.

              Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

              by billmosby on Sun May 24, 2009 at 06:50:26 AM PDT

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                I live in Texas and you see a lot of that.  I wrote 2 diaries about guns on campus last week and received a lot of negatives.  Sadly, most of those were due to the writer having not read the diary thoroughly or completely.  Anyway, thanks for appreciating my parody.

                "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

                by dolfin66 on Sun May 24, 2009 at 07:28:05 AM PDT

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                  .. about the modified attire I spoke of would be the footwear. Specifically, running shoes instead of boots with a well-defined heel. You see a lot of kids on their horses in running shoes around here. With no heel to speak of, it's easy to have your foot slip down past the stirrup and get trapped, and just when you don't want that to happen, which is to say when the horse gets skittish and you need more control. The next step is to fall off and get dragged. Or so I'm told.

                  Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

                  by billmosby on Sun May 24, 2009 at 08:38:05 AM PDT

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                    Darwinian.  Those that correctly adapt to the situation will live healthy lives and be able pass on their genes.  Those who don't, won't.  Isn't evolution great?

                    "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

                    by dolfin66 on Sun May 24, 2009 at 09:39:32 AM PDT

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                      .. I lived in the wilds of Idaho for 27 years, where some high schools have rodeo competitions. About 10 years ago, the questionable wisdom of playing around with ropes and horses outside of the arena was illustrated when one friend mounted on his horse playfully roped another standing in a parking lot. The rope was tied off on the saddle horn, so when the horse spooked, the lassoed friend was dragged through the parking lot, bouncing off of cars and killed. It only took a few seconds. Darwin in action again, only not voluntary. Question is, which line should have been terminated?

                      Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

                      by billmosby on Sun May 24, 2009 at 10:13:28 AM PDT

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                      ... to my Great Grandmother's brother Charlie, in your state, in about 1895. Only he was dragged by the horse itself, during a sort of impromptu rodeo. About 60 years later, when she lived with us when I was a kid, she would always try to keep us from playing with ropes, but would never say why. I only found out when I came into possession of a series of letters between her and her brother, the last one in the series being a letter from the authorities to her father asking him to come down from Missouri and collect the body. I still find that incident strangely sad and moving even today.

                      Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

                      by billmosby on Sun May 24, 2009 at 10:22:14 AM PDT

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        all these hairy-chested, tattooed cowboys sitting there fondling their guns with eyes half closed, breathing shallow, just waiting for a varmint to jump out of his car with foaming lips and guns blazing?  

        It's not only primitive, it's idiotic and abiological.  That's new word I just invented that means against biology, i.e., the demise of living things.

        "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

        by dolfin66 on Sun May 24, 2009 at 07:32:22 AM PDT

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    always gets to me--as if people are meat to be "rendered." As I understand it this practice, as or more heinous than the rest, may continue.

    Why are we on this side so much like the other side when it comes to tribe loyalty? Nada Lemming

    by Matthew Detroit on Sat May 23, 2009 at 10:36:55 AM PDT

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