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According to The Daily Telegraph (hats off to Michael Gass at Docudharma for posting this, by the way):

Photographs of ... prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of ... rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.

Read on.

The article, written by By Paul Cruickshank and Security Correspondent Duncan Gardham, provides horrifying detail about what has been done, and is STILL being done, to prisoners in our custody.

At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.

Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

Taguba, pathetically enough, supports the decision to censor these photographs.

What will it take, how much hard evidence of war crimes must come to light — evidence that this was institutionalized behavior and not just "a few bad apples," must surface before Obama stops obstructing Justice and allows its wheels to turn?

UPDATE:  Here's a link you really should peruse to get an idea of what this all means.

Here’s one key truth Obama is fully aware of, and is lying about: torture was official U.S. government policy, not the act of a "few individuals".  Beginning in 2002 and continuing into 2005, high-level government officials discussed the details of torture within the White House situation room.  These officials included VP Cheney, National Security Advisor Rice, Secretary of State Powell, DOD Secretary Rumfeld, Attorney General Ashcroft, Bush legal advisor Gonzales, CIA Director Tenet, and others.  They discussed which tortures would be allowed to be used by government paid torturers. President Bush admitted that he knew of and approved these discussions.  They set government policy that then resulted in the torture of thousands of prisoners in the U.S. war of terror.

And now Obama pretends as if torture was the act of a "small number of individuals."  That is BS.  What you are trying to cover up is systematic abuse ordered from the top of the Bush regime.  But that is not surprising.

Obama and his Attorney General have already announced that they will not go after the men who conducted the torture.  It is also likely they will not try to prosecute those listed above who ordered the torture.  Obama in his latest announcement stated the photo release could result in "a chilling effect on future investigations of detainee abuse." One thing he wants is that anyone who from this day forward falls into the clutches of the armed forces or spy organizations of the U.S. fears that he too will face waterboarding, being torn apart by snarling dogs, electrodes attached to his genitals, and other forms of "interrogation" mastered

Originally posted to Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:00 AM PDT.

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  •  You hit it on the head (11+ / 0-)

    what has been done, and is STILL being done, to prisoners in our custody

    That line is why you will see no prosecutions.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:10:22 AM PDT

    •  What sort of message do these coverups (7+ / 0-)

      and non-prosecutions sent to prospective torturers, do you suppose?

      •  "go ahead, we won't even investigate." (7+ / 0-)

        I think that about sums it up.

        Screw "Hope" and "Change." Give me Determination and Improvement.

        by khereva on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:20:33 AM PDT

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        •  And if that is true, what is it that the Cheneys (1+ / 0-)
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          are concerned really about with their recent media speaking tours? Or having gotten what they wanted from Obama, they are now stopping their tours.

          The situation is baffling to me.

          •  Public outcry (3+ / 0-)
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            Cheney saw first hand with Plame how quickly he can lose control and people end up in jail.  If public outcry grew to a roar, no "truth commission", independent investigator, or slap on the wrist would ever cut it.  There would be no weaseling out (well...at least for the first few years. People have such short memories >.<)</p>

      •  The Diarist asks what will it take for Obama (3+ / 0-)

        to prosecute.

        IMHO, if the torture is still happening under the Obama administration, if we are to accept that as true, then if Obama holds the Bush administration accountable, does he not open the door for his team to face scrutiny as well?

        The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

        by ctexrep on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:30:45 AM PDT

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        •  At Some Point. It Depends On How Much Power (4+ / 0-)

          --actual power, not mere authority-- he has to make it stop. To the extent he has a tiger by the tail, he may be still working on ways to get policy changed that could be very difficult to do immediately.

          We have 2 choices, one that Obama's a bad ass on torture and militarism, or two that the system is getting out of control.

          Pick the one you find most cheery.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:42:42 AM PDT

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          •  Obama has adopted (5+ / 0-)

            with only minor modifications many parts of the  allegedly lawless Bush program.

            restoration of military tribunals
            FISA
            etc.

            He has tweaked but not changed.

            I just can't see prosecutions.

            The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

            by ctexrep on Thu May 28, 2009 at 06:02:45 AM PDT

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          •  The other thing is- (2+ / 0-)

            If he doesn't prosecute WITH the Authority he does have , and the "limited power" he has as President - not being snarky - he does have limits Constitutionally,  any President  should have limits,  our experience tells us that, not to mention the Constitution<...but if he doesn't use the Authority of the Executive and the Power He Does have - Jesus - POTUS -  he'll never have any actual Power. He'll be just a waterboy for the Cheneyites dug into the Pentagon and the CIA. Like muscularity, use it or lose it.</p>

            For Good or Ill, Power is inherently Kinetic.
            It does not last well in a "potent - ial", unused state.
             
            Consequently,  The Hawks will run right over him,
            which truthfully, he's allowing them to do now.

            He has the Bully Pulpit, Veto Power over CongressCritters Pork. And majorities in the House and Senate. He's letting them atrophy. Or morph into Specter as the Face of a "New" Democrat. And Pledged "Full Support" to  That fucking Down-the-Line R vote on Iraq , The War on Error the DOD and CIA prerogatives. Beautiful. The President giving Specter now his "full support". How's that for Bait and Switch? It's fucking ridiculous. And unacceptable.

            But now we have a Democratic  President of the United States  not lifting a finger as the Global Press reports on Systemic  Child Rape and Sexual Torture. The Consequences of Silence in the first cast when Cheney opened his Pandora's Box. This Nightmare. This Abomination. And now it's Obama's Nation in the eyes of the world: What is this U.S. President going to do?

            At this point, in his letting this opportunity slip away to "conserve" political capital-  I have no problem opposing Obama and working for his Defeat in 2012. Fuck, I loathed the Clinton Triangulating Machine for matters that hardly reached this level. Systemic Torture? Systemic Rape? Child Rape and Psychological Torture? Ignoring Prosecution?  Not a Problem at all abandoning Obama to put it politely.  No Chango, No Voto.

            Torture of Children. Raping them in front of their parents to get "confessions".
            It Boggles the mind that people continue to lend support to people who ignore it.

            Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
            and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

            by Robert Davies on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:31:06 AM PDT

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        •  Torture is still happening (3+ / 0-)

          Here's a report on the Gitmo thug squads that are alive and well under the Obama Admin.

          "Military Thug Squad Still Brutalizing Prisoners"

          Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein

          by posse comitatus on Thu May 28, 2009 at 06:27:24 AM PDT

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        •  Question: (0+ / 0-)

          if Obama holds the Bush administration accountable, does he not open the door for his team to face scrutiny as well?

          Do you mean to ask if Obama holding the Bush Administration accountable opens to door for the Obama Administration to face scrutiny?

          It's a bit of an odd thought. To some extent while not exactly scrutiny, the Obama Administration effort has already resulted in misinformation in the form of poorly constructed consultation memos intended to direct some sort of blame towards Speaker Pelosi.

          Is there any indication of Yoo / Bybee type legal memos or opinions issued by officials of the Obama Administration?

          Do you think the Obama Administration is going to scrutinize itself? If so, what sort of scrutiny? Or were you referring to possible scrutiny by a future administration?

    •  What will it take for (0+ / 0-)

      some Kossacks to learn how to read?

      The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons.

      For those whose coma-revival teams failed to properly them:  the year is now 2009,  and that "horrifying detail" is about events that occurred four to eight years ago.

      The reason "you will see no prosecutions" is that they've already happened:

      Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been "identified, and appropriate actions" taken.

      Now,  you can quibble about whether the actions were really "appropriate":  personally,  I believe that most of the people in question got a lot less than what they deserved.  But those photos are evidence from investigations that led to over 130 prosecutions,  resulting in over 100 convictions,  and more than 40 people being sent to prison.

      But,  hey,  it's much more fun to spin tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories about "Obama joining the Bush cover-up" than to find out what the actual facts are.

      •  Bullshit. I see Cheney on TV EVERY. DAY. (5+ / 0-)

        Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been "identified, and appropriate actions" taken.

        You are setting in Place the very polarizing dynamic we saw after Viet Nam.  A vilification of some the proximately guilty at Abu Graib while the architects of atrocious Torture at Black Sites Policy Worldwide GET A PASS.

        Lindie England? Some of the Guards at Abu Graib? And you right here with an Assholish "Move along,  Nothing to See Here "???

        Frankly, your position  that "this has been dealt with" is the cheapest of rank LIES.

        So please cite where the press reported on a conviction of child rapists and sexual torturers run amok at rendition sites who were coupled to interrogation teams.

        This HAS NOT BEEN as you, and for that matter Obama, incredibly says
        "been dealt with"

        Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
        and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by Robert Davies on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:51:34 AM PDT

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      •  See my update to the entry. (0+ / 0-)

        You are lying when you say that this matter has been handled.

        I Was Just Following Orders!
        Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen!

        by Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen on Thu May 28, 2009 at 09:27:31 AM PDT

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  •  What it will take is Obama thinking that (2+ / 0-)
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    prosecutions are the right thing for America. Right now he doesn't think they are.

    I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

    by doc2 on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:14:03 AM PDT

  •  Article also says that culprits already (3+ / 0-)
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    have been identified and dealt with.  So apparently the prosecution has already happened/is in the works.

    The argument then is whether or not releasing these photos (and if you've been paying attention, we heard all this before, there is actually nothing new here.  I specifically remember these images described before, especially the story of the translator raping the boy) serves any purpose other than inciting attacks against our service people.

    "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

    by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:29:01 AM PDT

    •  Did you feel the same way about the original (3+ / 0-)

      photos? We certainly could have just described what was going on in words and not released the photos. Didn't their release just serve to increase danger to our troops? Or put more succinctly would you have bought this line of reasoning if Bush had made it?

      Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

      by voroki on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:33:17 AM PDT

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      •  That the argument then is whether or not (1+ / 0-)
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        releasing them would endanger our troops?  Yes, as a matter of fact that was the argument then and is now.  You'll notice that I very carefully gave no opinion, but rather identified what the question is.  You assumed I'd taken a side.

        But, since you've asked my opinion, I think we must recognize that we've already been here, that we've seen the pictures and taken the damage and prosecuted those responsible.  Releasing the pictures without new suspects to prosecute serves no purpose that is not lurid IMHO.

        "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

        by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:40:02 AM PDT

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      •  Bush did not release the original pictures (0+ / 0-)

        If I recall correctly the original pictures were released by a private citizen.  If the Bush admininistration had any opportunity to stop their release they would have used every means possible to block them.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu May 28, 2009 at 06:32:49 AM PDT

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    •  Are the pictures of sanctioned torture (3+ / 0-)
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      or of criminal acts on behalf of an individual or group of individuals.  I don't recall in the "inhanced interrogation techniques" of raping a you ng boy until he makes a confession.  If this is what the photos reveal, I could not agree with Obama more for him not releasing them.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Thu May 28, 2009 at 05:33:57 AM PDT

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    •  they can keep all their torture porn in (2+ / 0-)
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      Snud, Maimonides

      their sock drawer, for all I care.  The crimes need to be prosecuted, however.

    •  Yeah...well, what about the culprits UP TOP? (1+ / 0-)
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      Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen

      Bush, Cheney, and others haven't been prosecuted. And, they probably won't even if more evidence is published.

      But it would be criminal to NOT TRY to bring these cowardly thugs - the Bush criminals - to justice.

      When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

      by Rayk on Thu May 28, 2009 at 08:33:23 AM PDT

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      •  I'd rather have a good prosecution that takes (0+ / 0-)

        a decade than a poorly done today.

        "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

        by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 09:06:37 AM PDT

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        •  With all the evidence... (0+ / 0-)

          Investigation and prosecution wouldn't take ten months, let alone a decade.

          I Was Just Following Orders!
          Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen!

          by Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen on Thu May 28, 2009 at 09:32:30 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  You apparently haven't followed Fitzgerald's work (0+ / 0-)

            Look at the Blago timeline.  I've estimated 15-20 months to put this together right, and that's not accounting for the state's secrets problem.

            "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

            by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 10:30:50 AM PDT

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        •  Is that really the choice? (0+ / 0-)

          Why would an investigation and prosecution TODAY be less effective than one years from now after witnesses die and evidence grows cold?

          And WHO would prosecute? Who will be in power 10 years from now? Would they really do anything THEN? If TODAY with the crimes still fresh, we don't care enough to prosecute, YOU would put your faith in some future prosecutor?

          No me.

          When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

          by Rayk on Thu May 28, 2009 at 10:00:33 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Patrick Fitzgerald comes to mind . . . (0+ / 0-)

            If you don't know the answers to those questions then I really don't think you're a very serious person.

            Why indeed would one want to carefully construct a case against senior administration officials?  Because if you fail you fail huge.

            "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

            by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 10:32:51 AM PDT

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            •  I guess I'm not a "serous person"... (0+ / 0-)

              what's your argument for that, again?

              When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

              by Rayk on Thu May 28, 2009 at 10:44:23 AM PDT

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              •  Your petulant demands that justice happen on (0+ / 0-)

                your time rather than with prosecutorial discretion.  

                You seem very nonserious, very petulant, and rather naive.

                "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

                by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 10:45:27 AM PDT

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                •  Oh. Well, if it's TRUE that a prosecutor is (1+ / 0-)
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                  at work preparing his case, I'm in favor of that.

                  Is that the case? Or is it that nobody is preparing a case and that there will be no prosecution.

                  I fear the latter, but hope for the former.

                  When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                  by Rayk on Thu May 28, 2009 at 11:09:48 AM PDT

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                  •  Why do you think Obama is carefully saying little (0+ / 0-)

                    except things like "it's up to DOJ" and "if crimes are found . . ."?  This is a slow careful buildup, the kind that I would expect from good lawyers.  Obama always moves last.

                    "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

                    by Maimonides on Thu May 28, 2009 at 12:01:03 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I don't know why Obama says those things... (0+ / 0-)

                      and I'm waiting to find out. Hopefully, he's doing what you're suggesting.

                      When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                      by Rayk on Thu May 28, 2009 at 12:03:51 PM PDT

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  •  maybe i am dense (3+ / 0-)
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    isn't it the dept of justice that has to decide to prosecute?  aren't a lot of the issues we all have with the bush admin related to white house involvement in the justice department and blurring the line between executive and judicial powers?
    holder and the justice department should be getting more pressure from those of us who want prosecution.

  •  Isn't the sexual torture male on male in direct (1+ / 0-)
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    Ich Folgte Gerade Ordnungen

    violation of don't ask don't tell, if not the obvious other issues it has? I don't mean to be facetious, but if just saying you like the same sex is a fireable offense, wouldn't engaging in any type of act of the same manner be the same thing, regardless of purpose?

  •  I like this from andrewj54 (2+ / 0-)

    Obama is clearly a deft politician, which, coupled with real political courage, might make him a truly great President.

    I am still waiting to see the political courage part.
    by andrewj54 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:42:42 PM PDT

    Its not only torture, there have been homicides committed on detainees caused by the torture.

    My first wish is to see War, this plague to mankind, banished from off this earth. George Washington, 1796 farewell address

    by BOHICA on Thu May 28, 2009 at 06:41:42 AM PDT

  •  The intel and military (0+ / 0-)

    to take there foot off his neck.

    His current 'protecting troops reasoning just doesn't stack up especially considering Obama's credentials anp proven skill with logic and the language.

  •  Sorry, but your screen name is incorrect. (0+ / 0-)

    The original German was "Ich folgte nur Befehlen."
    der Befehl = (military) order
    die Ordnung = "order" in the sense of something being in order; it can also mean "ordinance" or "rule" in the sense of a directive.  There is nothing imperative in the military sense implied.
    In addition:
    nur = only
    gerade = "just" as in "I've just come."  It can also mean straight.

  •  The reason he changed his mind (2+ / 0-)

    about releasing the photos - IMHO - is that he knew the DOJ would have no choice but to investigate because the calls to do so would be even greater than they are now.  And he knows where that investigation will end up.  Heck, we all know.

    The only question is why he doesn't want the investigation to end up where we all know it will end up.  Why is he protecting the cabal?  Is it to save himself from having to pardon them later?  I don't know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map is shrinking

    by AppleP on Thu May 28, 2009 at 09:05:05 AM PDT

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