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Last week in Montana Baucus aides held town halls to talk about health care. They were trying to forward the idea that most Americans who get insurance through their work are satisfied with it.

Montanans weren't buying that. When it was time for audience questions, a gentleman stood up and asked his fellow citizens how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance. In an audience of about 275, less than 10 people raised their hands.

At another meeting, even though Sen. Max Baucus' aide insisted that consideration of a national single-payer health plan at this point would only squander a golden opportunity for health care reform in the United States, many of his constituents continued to object.

"The word ‘insurance' does not equal health care," Janelle Kuechle of Polson said at a meeting here Thursday. "If I have to pay a $900 premium to have health insurance with a $10,000 deductible, that is not health care."

another meeting

less than 10 people raised their hands

(sorry I couldn't get the links to work right)

The poll at that web site favored Single Payer being included in the discussions about our National Health Plan 77% to 23%.

Montanans are salt-of-the-earth folks. And they know who does the health caring. And it is NOT the insurance companies.

I was wondering how we Kossacks would poll about our health care insurance satisfaction.

Please join in and tell your fellow Kossacks to come on over and be heard.

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Originally posted to ludlow on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:33 PM PDT.


Are you satisfied with your current private health insurance plan?

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  •  tips (23+ / 0-)

    I'd like to see a nationwide poll on this question.

    Legitimate power seeks not to control others and things but to empower the  powerless Prof. Scott Bartchy, 1993

    by ludlow on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:33:24 PM PDT

  •  Montanans need to primary Baucus (6+ / 0-)

    I'm on Twitter so if you'd like to follow my tweets, please do!

    by slinkerwink on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:35:35 PM PDT

    •  And replace him with a Republican wingnut? (1+ / 0-)
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      One step at a time. Montana isn't exactly the most progressive state in the U.S. If it were Illinois or New York, I'd agree with you. Spraking of Illinois, I cn't say often enough: beware of Christopher Kennedy. He is not a progressive voice. You Illinoisians have some good progressives stepping up to run for Burris' seat. Don't fall for a glitzy name.

      Rob Portman: He sent your job to China.

      by anastasia p on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:29:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Baucus is pliable, though (0+ / 0-)

      While this usually means Republicans and business types have his ear, we can work this to our advantage.

  •  Yes (11+ / 0-)

    It's my employer who isn't satisfied. Their costs go up by unreasonable amounts every year.

  •  other (10+ / 0-)

    yes I have coverage, yes it's too expensive, and yes, I've been denied care.

    plan:  Blue Cross Blue Shield Fed Empl Plan

    If you want to know the real answer: Just ask a Mom.

    by tacklelady on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:41:33 PM PDT

    •  And the Blues are inconsistant (0+ / 0-)

      My daughter was denied for 6 months straight as we tried to get her to the specialist that finally helped her. She changed jobs and the Blue Cross from her new job immediately approved the specialist.

      There is no rhyme or reason to their denials except greed.

      Legitimate power seeks not to control others and things but to empower the  powerless Prof. Scott Bartchy, 1993

      by ludlow on Sun May 31, 2009 at 03:42:46 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I've had very few problems with (4+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, mijita, Ice Blue, Pris from LA

    Empire Blue Cross in NY.  They did question one medication, but when the Dr. explained, they were fine with it.

  •  Tell your story to Bernie Sanders (9+ / 0-)

    I heard him on "Brunch with Bernie" (on Thom Hartmann's show), saying that he's meeting with Ben Nelson and Max Baucus on Tuesday to explain Single Payer.

    Please thank him for speaking for us, and send your story for him to use at this link.

    (My email to Ben Nelson started like this:  "I heard on Thom Hartmann's show that you used to be a health insurance company exexutive.  Well, guess what?  You work for us now.  You know, as in "we, the people?  Here's my problem with the health insurance industry...")

    Watching Pete Sessions and reporting from the Taliban-controlled 32nd Congressional District of Texas.

    by CoolOnion on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:43:57 PM PDT

  •  Actually (9+ / 0-)

    we are satisfied with the employer provided coverage.

    My wife has non-Hodgkins lymphoma and hasn't had any problems with the insurance provider. She does not want to change plans, even as our plan will cost an additional $1157 this coming year. Fortunately, she works for a local government that contributes most of the cost.

    Having said that, I am a proponent for the public option because what might be good for us isn't necessarily a good thing for others.

  •  My coverage costs me nothing (5+ / 0-)

    and that's exactly what it's worth.

    I'm fortunate to have 100% health benefits at my place of employment, but I call them "benefits", because it's expensive to cover an entire company with good insurance, so my employer fully covered them with mediocre insurance.

    And I'm one of the lucky ones. Go figure...

    I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

    by BoiseBlue on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:48:05 PM PDT

  •  Is this some kind of sick joke? (1+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA
  •  I have great health insurance (8+ / 0-)

    and the best health care money (in the US) can buy.

    My sister is a charity case and can't get decent insurance for any amount of money.  If something happens to her, it will probably bankrupt her and my parents, who won't let her go without care.

    So no, I'm not satisfied.  I'm frightened, and have been ever since my sister's employer cancelled her policy as a "cost cutting" measure.

    the third eye does not weep. it knows. Political compass: -9.75 / -8.72

    by mijita on Sat May 30, 2009 at 06:55:32 PM PDT

    •  I'll keep your sister in my thoughts (8+ / 0-)

      As a gay American, I can somewhat relate. My partner got some troubling news a few weeks ago, and all I can think is if we had the same "benefits" that straight folk do we'd be semi-okay. But with her insurance and our lack of rights, a serious illness would leave both of us bankrupt.

      At first it broke my heart that if the worst happens, I wouldn't be able to provide for her. Then it broke my heart that if the worst does happen, I would be completely screwed for the rest of my life because although we are interdependent, the law won't recognize that. I would bankrupt myself caring for her, but I dare not call it marriage, let alone purchase insurance.

      A part of me truly believes that the insurance industry is the actual force behind anti-gay rights. And when Idaho killed a common-law marriage bill not because it would protect same-sex couples but because it would protect elderly couples, it made me realize that we're fighting a bigger battle than most of realize.

      Whoa, sorry. End of rant. Didn't mean to go off like that.

      I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

      by BoiseBlue on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:40:29 PM PDT

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    •  I want you to know that if you get really sick (0+ / 0-)

      (sick enough to not be able to work) or are in a serious accident and don't die soon enough, you will be dropped by your "wonderful" private health insurance and put on taxpayer subsidized health insurance.

      Or are you a government employee already?  In that case taxpayers are subsidizing you now.

    •  Please have her (or your parents on her behalf) (0+ / 0-)

      apply for Medicaid for her.

      If she is over 21 (possibly 18) she may be eligible despite what her parents own or earn. This will make a huge difference as the care – which is by privates Docs – and the coverage is quite good. It does vary by state but it's usually as good as and frequently better than private insurance.

      She needs to apply as soon as possible.

      We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change. Barack Obama 7-30-08

      by samddobermann on Sun May 31, 2009 at 03:00:25 PM PDT

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  •  i dont think that is the quesiton (3+ / 0-)
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    mijita, ladybug53, Pris from LA

    as none of us in the USA is satisfied with a health care system that provides the best health care, yet will cause you to go BK after the bills arrive.

    The question is who is going to take over 1/3 of our economy via Health Care.  While there must be a better solution, I am not sure we have heard it yet.

    •  Canada has great health care (0+ / 0-)

      You might want to ask some Canadians what they think we should do in the USA. They all say the same thing.

      Very illuminating.

      SINGLE PAYER will save SO much money we can give all our people QUALITY healthcare for FREE. That's what Canada does. Public option is NOT 'like single payer'

      by Andiamo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 08:57:05 PM PDT

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  •  I thought this diary was about being satisfied (3+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, Pris from LA, slouchsock

    with your health.  Not your health insurance.  Darn.

  •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, siduri

    And as a transsexual woman, I'm sure I'll be screwed by whatever replaces it as well.

  •  I'm an ICU nurse (4+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, Ice Blue, CatJab, Pris from LA

    and even I have crappy health insurance.

    It's not as crappy as it was when I was a union nurse though... and that's really frickin' ironic!

    Tinfoil!'s the new black!

    by mosesfreeman on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:00:27 PM PDT

    •  Where was that? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee, Pris from LA, ludlow

      Union workers on average have much better coverage than non, but like always with averages, there are outliers too.  CNA represented nurses mostly have really good coverage, but even a few of our employers are so difficult to deal with - or so legitimately broke - that it's hard to win decent insuance.

      •  University Hospital, Cincinnati, Ohio (2+ / 0-)
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        samddobermann, Pris from LA

        our crappy union has made me pretty skeptical of unions in general. It was by far the worst job I ever had, and the union made it worse, not better.

        The concept of collective bargaining is good, but unions need a 21st century update if they want to gain any ground in nursing.

        Tinfoil!'s the new black!

        by mosesfreeman on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:35:58 PM PDT

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        •  I'm very proud of mine - (5+ / 0-)

          CNA/NNOC, but every one is different - and sometimes there are significant local variations wihtin the same union.  I believe that what sets us aside from most is that we are RN led, very militant politically and at the bargaining table and work hard at involving the memberss at every level of decision making.

          •  Our union was all about spin (2+ / 0-)
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            samddobermann, Pris from LA

            and taking credit for things that are normal everywhere else.

            At orientation, the big union speech was all about taking credit for the recent adoption of the needleless system... yet I had come from a non-union facility that adopted the same system several years earlier. The punch-line was that, like so many things, the reality was vastly different than the spin... they were maybe 25% needleless, and didn't even know about, let alone have basic equipment that was germaine to the system.

            My biggest grievance though, was with the seniority system. It didn't matter how much experience you had, seniority within that one hospital is the only thing that mattered. Anyone who transferred in from elsewhere was on the bottom of the totem pole for everything. I wasn't eligible for a vacation until I'd served fifteen months on the job... crazy shit!

            Because it was so crappy, they offered big relo bonuses... I served my time and promptly quit. The bonus was good, I'll give 'em that, but how stupid is it to run off your best talent constantly? Their retention rate is extremely poor.

            Tinfoil!'s the new black!

            by mosesfreeman on Sat May 30, 2009 at 08:56:50 PM PDT

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            •  That does sound off-base. (3+ / 0-)
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              CatJab, Pris from LA, ludlow

              And the seniority part was way overboard.  that's always a balancing act - you do want to reward seniority, but you don't want to make life awful for new hires either.  I think where I work, we've struck a reasonable balance between favoring seniority and rotational systems where everybody takes their turn at the bad stuff.  don't give up on unions entirely though - some of them are a lot smarter than that.  One of the things I like is that actual members play a very large - decisive really - role in the bargaining process.  Union staff tells us strategy and how best to get what we want, but the members at each place decide what matters to them and what to try to achieve in our contract.

              •  The best job I ever had (1+ / 0-)
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                was at a facility (Tampa General) that narrowly avoided unionization twice. After the second vote, which was super close... the board got a clue and decapitated management. The new CEO (married to an RN) recognized the problems, and called in the staff that had been vocal for a union, and asked them "What would you want if you had a union?".

                He gave us everything we asked for.

                The point of that story is that our grievances were local, and the solution was local. Management and labor went on to work together very well, without the constant adverserial relationship that actual unionization typically brings.

                I agree with the concept of organized labor, but as a nurse, I have found that the unions that attempt to serve me typically don't serve that purpose.

                I think that we should redesign unions from the ground up.

                Tinfoil!'s the new black!

                by mosesfreeman on Sat May 30, 2009 at 10:41:38 PM PDT

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                •  I should add (0+ / 0-)

                  that lest you think I am lukewarm on Labor in general, that I made national press in 1979 for attempting to start a labor union at Albertson's as a bagboy, at the age of 16.

                  I was fired for labor activity, but then later that year reinstated in my job by the NLRB, with backpay. I have been a hardcore (blackbloc!) Leftist ever since.

                  Tinfoil!'s the new black!

                  by mosesfreeman on Sat May 30, 2009 at 10:58:05 PM PDT

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  •  The problem with private insurers (3+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, Pris from LA, Onyx

    is that to use the insurance one must take a chance.

    Will the insurer pay out?

    [Almost certainly in my case since I have medical and legal knowledge.]

    Will the provider charge far more than the insurer will pay?

    [This happened to my mother.]

    Private insurance might insure me, but it doesn't assure me.

    Finding a willing provider under a plan is my worst experience personally.

  •  I'm surely not happy (6+ / 0-)

    I reached a point in my life where I could afford to semi-retire, but have to buy my own coverage and pay way too much for way too little.
    Between premiums and deductable, the first $10,000 per year is mine to pay before the insurer pays a dime.

  •  I'm very satisfied. (3+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, ladybug53, Pris from LA
    I'm disabled, so I qualify for state medical insurance.  But then I only get around $750 per month to pay for everything else.

    A jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn (D-TX)

    by Ice Blue on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:23:39 PM PDT

  •  Love the Care, HATE Doing Their Paperwork (4+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, CatJab, Pris from LA, ludlow

    over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:25:55 PM PDT

  •  i am absolutely not satisfied (7+ / 0-)

    my husband is in a union and we have blue cross blue shield illinois.
    they denied my annual pap smear after my daughter was born.  nothing ever seems to be applied to my deductible.
    only give $500 in wellcare for the first two years of a childs life - give me a break - gone at first vaccines.  
    now my husband seems to get much more approved without trouble.  But he is a man, you know.

  •  Yes I am, but... (4+ / 0-)

    my husband has excellent insurance that operates out of it's own medical facilities. I don't know of any other American provider like it.

    It's very much like the Canadian system that I have also used when I've lived up there.  And, let me tell you from experience, the Canadian system is also excellent --regardless of what non-representative stories people can conger up -- and Americans would be healthier and so would our economy be if Obama would allow a single payer option to compete with private insurance and keep some downward pressure on their profits and some upward pressure on their services.  

  •  I just changed jobs, so (4+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, ladybug53, Pris from LA, ludlow

    can't comment on the current insurance.

    But the previous company, the insurance was scary. They were always playing games with paperwork. It was clear they were hoping people would screw up or get tired of pushing paper or making phone calls. I was scared to death of getting really sick, because I knew it was random chance if they would try to screw me.

    Member, The Angry Left

    by nosleep4u on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:38:53 PM PDT

  •  Hell no (2+ / 0-)
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    Pris from LA, ludlow

    I am insured, quite minimally, and not through either of my jobs. I'm pretty much covered if I have to go to an emergency room, a gp, or a specialist in their system, otherwise, I pay full fare. I get a 30% discount on prescription medication (which I fortunately do not need). Anything else, I pay full fare for.

  •  My firms supplies health care for 200 people (2+ / 0-)
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    ladybug53, Reetz

    and their families, at a reasonable cost.  We are self insured, and have a good excess coverage.   Our yearly per family deductible is $250.00, and all Rx's cost $5.00, except for certain "premium" or non-generic Rx's, which are $20,00.  We offer well care visits, limited dental, great eye care coverage and have a great well care counseling program.  We have an incentive program for people who meet yearly wellness goals set by our plan administrator.  

    There is no way that Uncle Sam can do better than what we have, so I will fight, tooth and nail, to make sure that our firm does not have to participate in any government run program.  

    That being said, I am willing to pay extra for some form of basis health care for people who genuinely cannot afford health insurance, "Safety Net" coverage, if you will, until they can get into a decent program.  

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Sat May 30, 2009 at 07:50:33 PM PDT

    •  If you don't mind the question... (4+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee, Pris from LA, ludlow, slouchsock

      about what percentage of your payroll do your insurance costs equal?

    •  and when your luck runs out? (5+ / 0-)

      It sounds like you're in a relatively small firm and probably have a proportionally young, healthy workforce. Statistically, the majority of people who say they are happy with their health plan have never had to use it. All that "coverage" sounds good on paper. Over half of all personal bankruptcies in this country are due to medical expenses. 75% of those had coverage at the beginning of their bankrupting illness. Check this out.

      If that makes you feel a bit uneasy and not so sure how long your company can hold out as an island in a sea where a lot of other companies are either folding or dropping their coverage altogether, rest assured there is a solution.

      A member of the  Physicians for a National Health Plan , Dr. W.C. Dillaway, explains it this way:

      In the single-payer system, one public agency eliminates duplications, inefficiencies, costs and confusion. Currently, the U.S. health care system struggles with approximately 1,300 health insurance companies that produce thousands of different insurance plans. These create costs not only at insurance companies, but at the hospitals and doctors’ offices that must generate billions of bills and accounting documents annually to get paid.

      The administrative simplicity of a single payer system translates into $350 billion to $400 billion in savings per year. This would suffice to cover all of the uninsured. In addition, it would also provide excellent coverage for the insured — without premiums, deductibles and copays.

      Single-payer spreads the risk to the largest, most efficient, and most economical pool possible, that is, the entire population. In addition, the creation of a single risk pool makes sense for simplifying management, accountability, information technology, communications, etc.

      Yet the greatest advantage of single-payer comes not from its simplicity and economy, but from its inherent equity and fairness. Single-payer means "automatic enrollment." That immediately and totally eliminates the difficulties and confusions of individual mandates, employer mandates, community rating, guaranteed issue, public options and government subsidies. Automatic enrollment embodies equality and democracy.

      •  I have a bridge to sell you. (0+ / 0-)

        In the single-payer system, one public agency eliminates duplications, inefficiencies, costs and confusion.

        Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

        by SpamNunn on Sun May 31, 2009 at 04:27:31 AM PDT

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        •  Works for medicare - except for the pieces that (0+ / 0-)

          were privatized.

          Believe me, it was such a relief to get on plain vanilla medicare after the privatized Advantage Medicare plan and after 30 some years on the finest employee provided insurance.

          We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change. Barack Obama 7-30-08

          by samddobermann on Sun May 31, 2009 at 03:23:09 PM PDT

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        •  Hey, it works for most of the healthiest countrie (0+ / 0-)

          it works for many other nations, all of whom are far better off then the US health wise..

          Take a look at the health statistics over time.. At one time, the US had a fairly good level of health care for the middle class but weve been steadily worsening since the early 80s.. now I suspect that we are in free fall

          SINGLE PAYER will save SO much money we can give all our people QUALITY healthcare for FREE. That's what Canada does. Public option is NOT 'like single payer'

          by Andiamo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 08:22:02 PM PDT

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    •  I worked for a ompany that was self-insured (2+ / 0-)
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      ladybug53, Pris from LA

      and it was pretty decent coverage. And boy did that company try to usher me out the door when I got cancer.
      at age 42.

      get real spamnunn, you've got great coverage until you're sick.

  •  I'm satisfied with my (4+ / 0-)

    non-mental health coverage, but my mental health plan doesn't cover my providers, who are out of network.

    Economic Left/Right: -4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
    This sig is the former home of a witty Monty Python quote.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sat May 30, 2009 at 08:33:53 PM PDT

  •  I was happy with my health care once... (4+ / 0-)

    but then I came back to the US from West Germany and it totally sucked again.


    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Sat May 30, 2009 at 08:34:49 PM PDT

  •  No real problems with the coverage but (6+ / 0-)

    a fully portable single payer system would allow me to do the work I really want to do.  Can't quit my current position because I can't risk losing the coverage.  

    Democracy is not something you believe in or a place to hang your hat, but it's something you do. You participate. If you stop doing it, democracy crumbles.

    by wave of change on Sat May 30, 2009 at 08:38:03 PM PDT

  •  why would medicare-type ins. be good enough (1+ / 0-)
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    I have a friend who worked in insurance and says medicare functions pretty well.

    But, my sister couldn't find a doc that would accept medicare assignment. I'm eligible for it, but I can't risk going on it because there is no maximum out-of-pocket, and my treatments 'cost' $40,000 to 90,000 a year. ( i put cost in quotes because there are so damn many hands in the till, who knows what the costs really are.)

    My mother went with an HMO because the incomprehensible billing from various doctors offices makes an honest, pay-your-bill-when-you-get-it person CRAZY.

    medicare underpays docs for some services. I don't know if they're still really slow to pay, but why do so many on dkos think something like medicare would be good enough?

  •  In 'sort-of' insured never-never land (4+ / 0-)

    I answered flat 'no', because I heartily dislike my current situation, where I've been on COBRA for a month now, but I still don't have the paperwork to show I'm insured. Had to pick up my monthly medications yesterday -- instead of $6.75 for one of the generics (the other is one of the $4 ones), it was $38, since I couldn't prove I still have insurance! Of course, I presumably can/will get the money back ... but who knows how many hoops I'll have to jump through! (Some of the hassles I've had with the cafeteria med reimbursements....)

    4 friggin' weeks and no card? I couldn't get and sign any paperwork before I was laid off, even with a 60-day notification? Stupid COBRA administrator company first says the premium has to be paid by mail, but then says it can be paid online, showing up in 1-2 days if my bank is on their list (which it isn't). Otherwise, 6-10 days (might as well write a check!).

    Thanks be to the stimulus package that my premiums for the rest of the year are reasonable. If it wasn't for that, COBRA would be taking, per month, over a quarter of my unemployment pay.

    A person shouldn't have to worry about insurance when they lose their job!

    Single payer!

    •  Watch out! (0+ / 0-)

      There are STRICT time limits with COBRA, if I were you I would call them and arrange to have them FedExed the check and have them FedEx you your card.. or do it by money transfer.. If you are even 1 day late, you will be DUMPED.

      SINGLE PAYER will save SO much money we can give all our people QUALITY healthcare for FREE. That's what Canada does. Public option is NOT 'like single payer'

      by Andiamo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 08:25:50 PM PDT

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  •  You nurses are my heroes... (5+ / 0-)

    ...the Baucus 13 in particular. Actually a couple of doctors were part of the Baucus 13. Goddess bless you all for keeping the issue of health care front and center. You all are made of awesome.

    If any of you will be in the Los Angeles area on June 26th, we will be beginning a monthly series of events at Warner Center Park in Woodland Hills, CA. Warner Center is national headquarters for two "health insurance" companies, HealthNet and Anthem BCBS, and west coast headquarters for several others. We will be protesting in the very Belly of the Beast. But we intend to also have some fun while doing it, and raise some consciousness. The Single Payer Happy Hour starts at 5pm. Raise a sign and raise the roof, y'all!

    No matter what happens with the Kennedy Plan or the other permutations of "reform," our quest continues. 99% ain't enough. Single Payer, baby.

    Single Payer Happy Hour, coming to the LA (SFV) area 6/26/09!
    No more SPECIAL RIGHTS for HETEROSEXUALS! Equality now!

    by Pris from LA on Sat May 30, 2009 at 09:50:19 PM PDT

  •  My insurance plan forces me to use the worst... (2+ / 0-)
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    Hospital. I haven't been "denied" care by the insurance company. However, I did sit in the ER for 3 hours last week in a lot of pain while I watched people with minor cuts and twisted ankles taken in before even though they arrived hours later. I finally had to decide that paying for my own ER visit would be worth it if I received care in the end, which was quickly becoming apparent that I wouldn't receive any care where I was waiting.

    Wife drove me right down the street to the "out of network" ER and I was in and out in under 2 hours.

  •  Drawing back the curtain. (1+ / 0-)
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    Tips to Ludlow for the update on Mr. Baucus and his continuing attempts to fit the myth that health insurance is better than single-payer for many Americans like me are finding that my co-pays are going up, not down, with the same level of care.  What I dislike about Mr. Baucus and his attempts to replace the reality of the insured with the myth that we are all just so satisfied with our status quo crapy health insurance, the man by the way who helped usher in the "Medicare Part D" fiasco of years back, is just stupid he thinks Americans are to the games he continues to play.  "You're busted" Mr. Baucus by the nurses and citizens who continue to tell you the truth that health insurance isn't  the reform and change many of us had in mind when you started this road show.  

      Like Toto in the "Wizard of Oz", Ludlow has drawn back the current, as many citizens did in DC over the last few weeks, to expose the fraud that Mr. Baucus and his Caucus on health care reform has become.  Health care reform under this new Wizard at the controls, is nothing more than smoke, mirrors and slight of hand to make people think that the health insurance corporations have given us better care.  

      Thank you nurses for continuing to expose Mr. Baucus as the phony Wizard he is.  I hope you continue to pull back the curtain on the truth that single-payer should be on the table for real reform.  Mr. Baucus , you're not "in Kansas" anymore.

  •  18% like their employer based insurance (0+ / 0-)

    That's not enough to keep the greedy, bloated, wasteful private health insurance companies in our health care equation.

    That's not enough to outweigh the harm they do and the run-away costs they foster.

    Legitimate power seeks not to control others and things but to empower the  powerless Prof. Scott Bartchy, 1993

    by ludlow on Sun May 31, 2009 at 02:45:28 PM PDT

    •  The folk who check that might be the PR flacks (0+ / 0-)

      who I understand are out flogging the blogosphere against single payer..

      SINGLE PAYER will save SO much money we can give all our people QUALITY healthcare for FREE. That's what Canada does. Public option is NOT 'like single payer'

      by Andiamo on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 08:27:44 PM PDT

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