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Fluoride supplements are prescription drugs administered to children who live in non-fluoridated communities.  They were never FDA tested  because sodium fluoride was on the market before FDA testing was required in 1938.

"There is weak and inconsistent evidence that the use of fluoride supplements prevents dental caries [cavities] in primary teeth," according to a systematic review of fluoride supplement research published in the November 2008 Journal of the American Dental Association. The authors could find only one study, from China, showing any fluoride cavity-preventing benefit to primary teeth and that study was probably biased with a high withdrawal rate, the authors write.

They report that mild-to-moderate dental fluorosis (white spotted and/or yellow teeth) is a significant fluoride supplement side effect.

Fluoride supplements, although a prescription drug, were never FDA [Food and Drug Administration] tested for safety or effectiveness because sodium fluoride was on the market pre-1938 before FDA testing laws were enacted.(1)

In 2007, the American Dental Association (ADA) reported on its website that fluoride supplements put children six and under at significant risk of permanently discolored teeth; but never shared that information with the American public, pediatricians or MD's who still prescribe fluoride supplements to toddlers. (2)

"This review confirmed that, in non-fluoridated communities, the use of fluoride supplements during the first 6 years of life is associated with a significant increase in the risk of developing dental fluorosis, write researchers Ismail & Bandekar and first published in Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology, February 1999, (3) but posted to the ADA's website July 2007.

Fluoride supplements sought to achieve a similar effect as fluoridation of the water supplies when it was believed that ingested fluoride reduced tooth decay. However, the Centers for Disease Control now reports that fluoride's purported beneficial effects are topical (4). Swallowing fluoride only exposes children to fluoride's adverse health effects ( http://www.FluorideAction.Net/... ), such as dental fluorosis.

"So there is no good reason to swallow fluoride via supplements or the water supply," says attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation, Inc.

Studies link dental fluorosis to children's kidney damage (5) and bone fractures (6).

"While fluoride ingestion is proclaimed a significant cavity reducer, there is no valid science to support that," says Beeber.

Up to 48% of school children sport dental fluorosis, the outward sign of fluoride toxicity, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). (7)

In the Fall 1999 Journal of Public Health Dentistry, dental researcher and former dental journal editor Brian A. Burt, Ph.D., M.P.H., B.D.Sc., University of Michigan Emeritus Professor, writes:

"It is therefore concluded that the risks of using supplements in infants and young children outweigh the benefits. Because alternative forms of fluoride for high-risk individuals exist, fluoride supplements should no longer be used for young children in North America."(8)

References:

  1. August 2000 letter from NJ Assemblyman Kelly to Senator Robert Smith http://www.fluoridealert.org/...
  1. http://www.ada.org/...
  1. "Fluoride supplements and fluorosis: a meta-analysis," Community Dentistry & Oral Epidemiology, 1999 Feb;27(1):48-56, by Ismail & Bandekar .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...

  1. http://www.cdc.gov/...
  1. "Dose-effect relationship between drinking water fluoride levels and damage to liver and kidney functions in children," Environmental Research,2007 Jan;103(1):112-6. Epub 2006 Jul 10, by Xiong, et. al

http://tinyurl.com/...

  1. "Dental and Early-State Skeletal Fluorosis in Children Induced by Fluoride in Brick-Tea," Fluoride 2005;38(1):44-47 Cao, et. al

http://www.fluorideresearch.org/...

  1. http://www.cdc.gov/...
  1. "The case for eliminating the use of dietary fluoride supplements

for young children," Journal of Public Health Dentistry, Fall 1999, by

Burt

http://tinyurl.com/...

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  •  Friend... (13+ / 0-)

    ...have you ever heard of Reality Bias?

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:35:29 AM PDT

  •  Protect (22+ / 0-)

    your precious bodily fluids, Mandrake. That's why I drink only rainwater and pure grain alcohol...

  •  Fluoride causes autism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (7+ / 0-)
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    "Democratic Luntz is a prized blogger here." "You're like the chief of constables of the diary police."

    by DemocraticLuntz on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:36:09 AM PDT

  •  When I got married (7+ / 0-)

    and moved away from home, my first new dentist took one look at my mouth with several fillings and said - ah, I see you were raised on well water.  (He was correct).  Of course I could just be a bad brusher.

    •  I had cousins who drank well water... (6+ / 0-)

      They had orange teeth.

      If I said something that upset you...I probably didn't do it on purpose.

      by David Kroning on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:39:39 AM PDT

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      •  Luckily I didn't get orange teeth! (4+ / 0-)
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        Yikes!  We had a great well from a natural spring. My parents should have bottled it, it was that good.  (We lived in upstate NY near Saratoga Springs, so there were a lot of natural springs in the area).  I haven't had any bottled water that could compare, however, it obviously wasn't fluoridated.

        Now that I think on it, I wonder how many kids even drink tap water these days.  

        •  Bottled water is just awful for the environment. (14+ / 0-)

          The carbon footprint, the rarely recycled bottles, etc.

          "Democratic Luntz is a prized blogger here." "You're like the chief of constables of the diary police."

          by DemocraticLuntz on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:49:23 AM PDT

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        •  Not as many as should. (1+ / 0-)
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          Due to parents giving their kids only bottled water, tooth decay in children is surging again.

          •  Evidence please (2+ / 0-)
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            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:55:37 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

              •  That's not evidence ! (0+ / 0-)

                It's an assumption by Dye, lead researcher who never correlated bottled water to tooth decay rates.

                Actually, the Iowa Fluoride Study has been following the same cohort for years and has found that decay rates have nothing to do with fluoride ingestion.

                Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:17:54 AM PDT

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                •  I'm not going to spend hours (9+ / 0-)

                  digging up documents to counter a conspiracy theory which has been promoted by the ultra right wing for years. If you want to delude yourself, go for it.

                  •  Because you can't (0+ / 0-)

                    You can look for days, weeks months and you won't find any studies which prove that drinking fluoride free bottled water leads to more tooth decay.

                    There is so much fluoride in our food and beverage supply as well as dental products, that it is impossible to consume a fluoride free diet.

                    Look up USDA's database fluoride in foods

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                    by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:40:38 AM PDT

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                    •  Or maybe I'm an evil tool of organized dentistry. (1+ / 0-)
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                      •  Or maybe, since we're not CT people with diaries (3+ / 0-)
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                        on other topics we do not have a little room with a secret door that controls our "Mind control via water" documents. That is what is great about CT people of this type.

                        They get so worked up over something, find flawed evidence, non-applicable evidence, old evidence, or disputed evidence, and say "Ah ha! Here is my evidence!!!111"

                        Then they demand people who think it is a CT demand evidence or they will win the day and we will rue their mighty strength. Of course finding evidence in a scientific manner is not something that can be done in "10 minutes" to respond to a poster. Research takes time, journal articles are not free, people not being dentists might have to take time to become up-to-speed about terms, but this is acceptable since it is from research conducted by rigour.

                        However since that takes more then 10 minutes to do, these people come here with 'bad' evidence and then they feed up fears, and then they always seem to find one or two people w/o a scientific background or the same basic fear and plant a seed in their mind.

                        Nevermind the fact that you, I, or anyone could find 101 articles that refute this guy's points line by line. We could have a repository of 'wacko CT theories" on call and pull out the valid data, etc. So...lets say in some manner we could do this and did. What do you think the reaction would be? Would this person "see the light?"

                        I am going to go out on a limb here, with my ESP and try to connect to my dead aunt Frienda for confirmation...but since that might take a bit of time I'd be willing to bet he would say something like...

                        .........nuh uh.....

                        A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                        by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:02:36 AM PDT

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                        •  Which is why it's easier to just mock 'em. :) n/t (0+ / 0-)
                          •  I disagree. If you do that people will think that (3+ / 0-)
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                            you have no real evidence to go against the CT people with, or they will feel sorry for him, etc. Illogic and pseudoscience must be refuted because if enough people stop taking vaccinations, or get fearful of water treatment, real harms can come as opposed to the mind-control stuff being sold by them. So if we ignore them, or mock them, we do not refute them. And if we do not refute there is a good chance some will buy into the 'junk science' and if enough people do...

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:47:36 AM PDT

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                        •  Than why post (0+ / 0-)

                          If you don't have the time to defend your position, why would you make a statement that you don't have the time and/or ability to fact-check.

                          You are operating on the level of belief.  Your information is out-dated and incorrect.

                          Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                          by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:17:05 AM PDT

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                          •  Well we could cherry-pick our data like you, (3+ / 0-)
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                            but we prefer to avoid intellectual dishonesty.

                          •  you have no clue what you are talking about (0+ / 0-)

                            Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:20:10 AM PDT

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                          •  We post because the crap you are posting is just (3+ / 0-)
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                            that, crap. You misapply research to fit what you want it to say as opposed to applying what it does say.

                            I have no emotional attraction to the use of it in water or not. However research shows it is impactful and if your 'fear' of its health harms was true, logic alone would dictate a larger number of actual harms due to the sheer # of people exposed to the water.

                            To ignore it opens up your view unopposed, which is, IMO, a lot scarier then any harms that could come from water treatment: using junk science and misapplication of science.

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:39:38 AM PDT

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                          •  You sound emotional (0+ / 0-)

                            Please show me the research which looked for harmful effects such as osteosarcoma, thyroid, kidney damage, allergies, intolerances, over-exposure, tooth damage, brain effecs, etc - and then tell me no one is harmed by fluoride chemicals.

                            Then show me any study which proves fluoride is required for decay-free teeth.

                            Absence of research doesn't mean absence of cause and effect.

                            Dr. Susheela will explain how she has learned the adverse effects of fluoride here
                            http://tinyurl.com/...

                            You anger is based on belief that isn't supported by science.

                            Here's some science:  http://www.fluorideaction.Net/...

                            Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:45:22 AM PDT

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                          •  Well, as junk science leads to deaths I (2+ / 0-)
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                            would not say being upset against the use of junk science is an odd reaction.

                            I provided results that show you lied when you took study results out from what they did find and put them to support your CT. I also provided a url that contained a well documented analysis of evidence that showed no harms of which you speak.

                            I present this:

                            the Evidence-based Practice Center at Oregon Health & Science University reviewed 214 published studies on the safety and effectiveness of fluoride in drinking water.

                            And you come back with a link to an anti-fluoride website and a link to how one 'doctor' came to her conclusions.

                            One hand: Peer-reviewed journal article review of over 200 articles from unbiased sources

                            vs.

                            A link to a biased website and a 'doctor's' realization moment.

                            Ok...which is stronger evidence?

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:58:46 AM PDT

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                          •  Just opinions - Where's the Science to support it (0+ / 0-)

                            Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 10:05:54 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Personal attacks do not work to change minds (0+ / 0-)

                            but this statement of yours demands it.

                            I wrote:

                            I provided results that show you lied when you took study results out from what they did find and put them to support your CT. I also provided a url that contained a well documented analysis of evidence that showed no harms of which you speak.

                            I present this:

                            the Evidence-based Practice Center at Oregon Health & Science University reviewed 214 published studies on the safety and effectiveness of fluoride in drinking water.

                            And you come back with a link to an anti-fluoride website and a link to how one 'doctor' came to her conclusions.

                            One hand: Peer-reviewed journal article review of over 200 articles from unbiased sources

                            vs.

                            A link to a biased website and a 'doctor's' realization moment.

                            Ok...which is stronger evidence?

                            And then you come back and say this is opinion?!?! You, who base your support on NOT being trutful about what you site, by offering up AGAINST peer reviewed journal articles (Over 200 mind you) a link to a biased* website and a doctor who came to a 'realization' and then YOU say "oh...this is just opinion" ?!?!?!

                            You are a moran. I can think of nothing else.

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 10:50:14 AM PDT

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              •  To be fair, it says "may be" (1+ / 0-)
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                and also points to the food and drinks most kids are consuming. It does not conclusively say that there is a direct link between bottled water and cavities.

                I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

                by BoiseBlue on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:20:17 AM PDT

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                •  That's because science doesn't work that way. (2+ / 0-)
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                  Real science anyway.

                  •  I'm saying that it's not because children are (2+ / 0-)
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                    Arken, watershed

                    drinking bottled water, but that may be part of it. Again, flouride is only a piece of the puzzle, and the high-sugar diets play a large role. Flouride alone is not evil nor is it 100% protection against tooth decay.

                    I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

                    by BoiseBlue on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:30:43 AM PDT

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                    •  Actually kids fluoride overdosed (0+ / 0-)

                      The Centers for Disease Control reports that up to 48% of school chlldren sport dental fluorosis - the outward sign of fluoride toxicity.

                      Because of this growing problem and based on research, the CDC and the ADA now advise no fluoridated water should be mixed into infant formula - too bad the word isn't getting out to new parents.

                      Several other countries no longer recommend fluoride supplementation at all and some of those countries sell half strenght fluoride toothpaste for kids.  the US does not.

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                      by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:09:45 AM PDT

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                      •  I love when CT nuts present false/misleading info (2+ / 0-)
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                        pdf

                        Critics also cite a 2006 National Research Council report that raised questions about high doses of fluoride and a recent advisory by the American Dental Association to limit use of fluoridated water in mixing baby formula.

                        Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Environmental Protection Agency sets standards for chemicals in public water supplies. The maximum standard for fluoride -- a mineral found naturally in tiny amounts in all water -- is 4 parts per million, four times as high as in artificial fluoridation

                        At the request of the British Department of Health in 2000, the Evidence-based Practice Center at Oregon Health & Science University reviewed 214 published studies on the safety and effectiveness of fluoride in drinking water. OHSU researchers found clear evidence that fluoride prevents dental decay. They found an increase in fluorosis (a white spotting of the tooth surface that dentists regard as a cosmetic issue rather than a health risk), but the study found "no clear evidence of other potential adverse effects."

                        A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                        by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:35:14 AM PDT

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                        •  DEAR SWEET JESUS! SPOTTING?!?! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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                          •  Shhh, little aliens use the spots as a tool to (1+ / 0-)
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                            pinpoint your location to the mothership. That is why tinfoil is talked about often in CT-world. It prevents this "Alien GPS" from working.

                            Take that, tooth detecting aliens!!!

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:42:17 AM PDT

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                          •  I thought this was the fault of the Dental Mafia. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Maybe they're in league with the aliens.

                        •  Scientific American says otherwise (0+ / 0-)

                          "Second Thoughts about Fluoride," reports Scientific American

                          "Some recent studies suggest that over-consumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland," reports Scientific American editors (January 2008). "Scientific attitudes toward fluoridation may be starting to shift," writes author Dan Fagin.

                          Fagin, award-wining environmental reporter and Director of New York University’s Science, Health and Environmental Reporting Program, writes, "There is no universally accepted optimal level for daily intake of fluoride." Some researchers even wonder whether the 1 mg/L added into drinking water is too much, reports Fagin.

                          After 3 years of scrutinizing hundreds of studies, a National Research Council (NRC) committee "concluded that fluoride can subtly alter endocrine function, especially in the thyroid – the gland that produces hormones regulating growth and metabolism," reports Fagin.  

                          Fagin quotes John Doull, professor emeritus of pharmacology and toxicology at the University of Kansas Medical Center, who chaired the NRC committee thusly, "The thyroid changes do worry me."  

                          Fluoride in foods, beverages, medicines and dental products can result in fluoride over-consumption, visible in young children as dental fluorosis – white spotted, yellow, brown and/or pitted teeth. We can’t normally see fluoride’s effects to the rest of the body.

                          Reports Fagin, "a series of epidemiological studies in China have associated high fluoride exposures with lower IQ."

                          "(E)pidemiological studies and tests on lab animals suggest that high fluoride exposure increases the risk of bone fracture, especially in vulnerable populations such as the elderly and diabetics," writes Fagin.

                          Fagin interviewed Steven Levy, director of the Iowa Fluoride Study which tracked about 700 Iowa children for sixteen years. Nine-year-old "Iowa children who lived in communities where the water was fluoridated were 50 percent more likely to have mild fluorosis... than [nine-year-old] children living in nonfluoridated areas of the state," writes Fagin. Levy will study fluoride’s effects on their bones.

                          "(G)enetic, environmental and even cultural factors appear to leave some people much more susceptible to the effects of fluoride," writes Fagin

                          "What the [NRC] committee found is that we’ve gone with the status quo regarding fluoride ... for too long... and now we need to take a fresh look," Doull says, " In the scientific community, people tend to think that its settled... But when we looked at the studies that have been done, we found that many of these questions are unsettled and we have much less information than we should, considering how long this [fluoridation] has been going on. I think that’s why fluoridation is still being challenged so many years after it began, In the face of ignorance, controversy is rampant."

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                          by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 11:22:59 AM PDT

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                          •  You accept one article in the "Scientific (0+ / 0-)

                            American" which is neither peer-reviewed or in anyway has a serious reputation against over 200 peer reviewed journal articles and the other real studies with valid conclusions that you try to avoid?

                            Amazing.

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 12:17:47 PM PDT

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                          •  Sci Am Listed in PubMed (0+ / 0-)

                            You posted an opinion of the NRC by who?
                            I posted an opinion by a fact-checked magazine that is so well-regarded that it's listed with medical journals in pub med

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                            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 04:51:06 PM PDT

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                          •  If you honestly believe "Scientific American" (0+ / 0-)

                            is a peer reviewed publication, and that this one article outweighs the 200 plus done and analyzed in the mentioned meta analysis...you have no idea of anything related to science or you're a troll...or both.

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 05:31:02 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  NRC report should shut down fluoridation (0+ / 0-)

                            My point is that YOU are misinterpreting the NRC report.  A panel of 12 reviewed hundreds of fluoride toxicology studies and took 3 1/2 years to do so - reading, discussing and analyzing.

                            The panel concluded that the 4 mg/L MCLG for fluoride in water set by the EPA is too high to be protective of health and must be lowered.  They didn't tell the EPA to what level it should be lowered to.  The EPA has yet to make that ruling.

                            However, three of the panel members say, based on the evidence, that level should be as close to zero as possible.

                            Let's see - should I believe three panel members interpretation of the NRC report or yours.

                            The MCLG is the level by which no person can be harmed by fluoride.  We ready know that the ADA based its new infant formula advisory on the NRC report.  So if fluoridated water isn't safe for babies to drink, then 1 mg/L is too high to be protective of the most vulnerable of the population.

                            Then there are many other health issues brought up by the NRC report

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                            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:02:57 PM PDT

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                          •  Ummm, sure. Since you keep sayin "My view" it (0+ / 0-)

                            is obvious you either have not read up on the subject and/or read my posts.

                            I am not giving my opinion. I am giving results from peer-reviewed research.  Over 200 such reviews.

                            I see now why you accept CTs.

                            A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

                            by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 11:50:59 PM PDT

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  •  That's a fascinating blogroll (12+ / 0-)

    I guess this issue is extremely important to you, but I think you've come to the wrong place. You'll most likely just be teased about it here.

    Anyhow, carry on with your crusade, and best of luck!

    I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

    by BoiseBlue on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:40:06 AM PDT

    •  I love it! Especially the part of no rainbows 20 (2+ / 0-)
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      years ago...how the nation must act and how action is needed before it is too late. Freaking great.

      A failure is not always a mistake, it may simply be the best one can do under the circumstances. The real mistake is to stop trying. -B.F. Skinner

      by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:06:37 AM PDT

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  •  I do not avoid women, (10+ / 0-)

    but I do deny them my essence.

  •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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    Hey,I've not used fluoride in H2O or/toothpaste for years.
    Liver damage the I received from abuse of Alcohol precludes me from using anything that targets the liver and kidneys.
    Another reason that I use Cannabis for it's medical property's.
    peace
    PS:End Prohibition with Harm Reduction the goal.

  •  John Birch Society vindicated. LOL n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Arken, DemocraticLuntz

    Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

    by billmosby on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:51:16 AM PDT

  •  Flouride CT, what's next? (3+ / 0-)
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    Magis vinum, magis verum
    (Blogistan Polytechnic Institute motto)

    by GOTV on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:53:43 AM PDT

  •  Can't believe nobody's posted this yet. (9+ / 0-)

    Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.

    by mistersite on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:55:13 AM PDT

  •  There is actually a serious issue here (11+ / 0-)

    despite the Dr. Strangelove references:

    Drugs that were on the market before the early 1960s have never been required to show efficacy for anything. With the prevalence of fluoride in public water systems, it is no surprise that supplements don't add value. There are no doubt some other useless drugs on which we spend lots of money.

    But come to think of it, most vitamin supplements are just as useless for most people, except to make their urine more nutritional.

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    by charliehall on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:56:36 AM PDT

  •  Interesting blogroll (3+ / 0-)
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    Fluoridation 101
    News Releases
    Tooth Decay Crises in Fluoridated Cities and States
    Fluoride Action Network
    Fluoride Journal
    Fluoride Science
    NSF Fluoridation Fact Sheet
    Fluoride in Drinking Water:A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards
    Rachel's Democracy & Health News
    Science & Ethics of Water Fluoridation
    Suppression of Dissent in Science
    Chemistry Textbook
    Fluoride Litigation
    Fluoride in Food
    Fluoride in Drugs
    CASE STUDY FOR THE 4TH YEAR COURSE IN ECOSYSTEM HEALTHDENTAL FLUOROSIS
    Environmental Working Group
    Videos

    Magis vinum, magis verum
    (Blogistan Polytechnic Institute motto)

    by GOTV on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:57:02 AM PDT

  •  Seriously. (5+ / 0-)
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    Why does the CT ban only apply to 9/11 CTs? :/

  •  If only we could teach everyone the difference (3+ / 0-)
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    between "spit" and "swallow," the world would indeed be nothing but rainbows and unicorns.

    I just upgraded internet speed. Now I can be late to the best diaries, faster.

    by mississippi boatrat on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:06:56 AM PDT

  •  Snark away (3+ / 0-)
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    But not every diary has to tackle the world. It's appropriate and even desirable to examine one political issue in detail, even if you use a dozen diaries to do so. Whether or not the author has a fixation about the subject is irrelevant to the information presented, which appears to be well-researched and valid, at least to the level of considered debate. I'll take this over any five pootie diaries that make it to the rec list.

    •  The John Birch Society would like (4+ / 0-)
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      to send you their newsletter which contains excellent additional information on the evils of fluoridation.

    •  How is flouridation a "political issue"? (2+ / 0-)
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      This diary reads, to me, as an alarmist attitude that I have seen espoused quite frequently by people I have known who were members of the John Birch Society.

      "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi -9.38/-6.26

      by LynneK on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:16:53 AM PDT

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      •  Birch is a tree (1+ / 0-)
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        didn't even know the John birch society existed when I got involved in this issue.

        Political because organized dentistry is at the forefront of pushing state legislators to mandate fluoridation state wide

        When they aren't spending loads of money and political capital lobbying for fluoridation, they are lobbying against any viable groups willing and able to fix the nation's dental health crisis more cheaply and as effective as dentists.

        Fluoridation gives the illusion that dentistry cares about the low income people they won't actually treat.

        80% of dentists refuse Medicaid patients.  120 million Americans don't have dental insurance.  Dentistry is holding onto its lucrative monopoly. They hope to stave off what should be inevitable -  mandate to actually treat people instead of their water supplies.

        Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

        by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:23:42 AM PDT

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        •  DEAR GOD! NOT ORGANIZED DENTISTRY! n/t (4+ / 0-)
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        •  the great dentist conspiracy (4+ / 0-)
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          the reason many dentists refuse Medicaid patients is because Medicaid has very limited coverage for dental care. If any at all. In my state, I can remember when Medicaid stopped paying for dental care.

          Links between dental and periodontal care and other diseases have only recently become a big issue.

          If you want to deal with this as a political issue, deal with it from that direction. Get mandates for dental care from the federal and state legislatures. Also push for community based dental clinics. But don't think it will be cheap.

          Not every state has a dental school, but most of them will provide reduced cost or charity care to patients who qualify. Access is limited, however, for many reasons, mostly because of the limited number of dental schools.

          Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

          by stitchmd on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:42:30 AM PDT

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          •  Solutions exist (1+ / 0-)
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            New York city is cutting many dental clinics at a saving of $2.4 million but continues to pay $24 million a year for fluoridation.

            No one is politically powerful enough to protect the clinics but organized dentistry almost always has its way with legislators who only sees their deep pockets filled with corporate cash and lucrative speaking engagements

            Their are solutiions - if only the American Dental Association and its constituent groups didn't stand in the way.

            Dental Health Aide Therapists are working in rural Alaska where residents would have otherwise pulled their own teeth.
            The ADA spent $1 million trying to stop this program.

            The Minnesota Dental Association tried to stop a similar group from working in Minnesota.

            The Louisiana Dental Association takes the prize.  It has created a bill that might just pass into law to forbid Medicaid-accepting dentists from treating children in schools - which is routinely done in many states and other countries - very safety and effectively.

            The LDA actually sent around a petition to its member dentists telling them this would cut into their bottom line and they must lobby their legislators - and so they did.

            There are many more examles

            Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

            by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:50:10 AM PDT

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            •  links would be helpful (4+ / 0-)
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              I don't know enough about what the ADA has done or not. I will say that both my mother and my grandmother used to talk about the 'traveling dentists' that came around and treated people - mostly with pliers. We've come a long way since that day. I'd want to know more about these rural programs and what kind of training the people have.

              As for taking on the ADA, well, you know, several medical organizations have had some serious concerns about the establishment of "minute clinics" staffed by mid-levels in the big box stores, always associated with pharmacies. People get all uptight at the fact that the medical groups are concerned, they're trying to "protect their power," etc. etc. Rarely do the same people ever bring up the potential conflict that almost all of the protocols in these clinics lead to some form of prescription being handed out and - gee! - it's just so convenient!

              We need recognition of the importance of dental care in our health. Absolutely. The other thing that blows my mind is that ophthalmic care is frequently excluded from insurance, unless it's linked to a specific disease such as diabetes or an eye disease itself. Now, what's the sense in that? What's the sense in not covering dental care?

              BTW, regarding my state stopping dental coverage - it was 1993, I believe. This is also the state where the well-publicized case of the kid who died from an abscessed tooth occurred. At least it led to some changes in how we cover dental care for Medicaid in Maryland.

              But, seriously, I'm sure the dentists would like to have more coverage, too. Dental care is expensive, although like a lot of other things in the medical system, making it all fee for service has sure led to a lot of costly and maybe unnecessary care for those who can 'afford' it, while others who need it are left out.

              That's a problem far, far beyond the flouride issue.

              Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

              by stitchmd on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:21:45 AM PDT

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              •  Dentistry Priced itself out of affordability (0+ / 0-)

                In a free market, dentistry shouldn't be allowed to have the monopoly it does.

                If I'm sick, I can go to a chiropracter, nurse practitioner, physician's assistant, DO, MD, nutritionist,etc.  My choice - my pain or gain.

                But if I want a tooth fixed - only a dentist can do that.

                In New Zealand, they train people for only two or three years to be dental therapists - a program that has existed for decades.  Their work is equal to that of dentists but they are cheaper and work out of the schools.  So virtually all school children in New Zealand have no cavities by the end of the school year.

                In the US, 6.5 Million children on Mediciad have UNfilled cavities.

                According to the Wall Street Journal, many dentists make three times as much as physicians while working fewer days and fewer hours doing less critical care.

                Dentists are caterly to the cosmetic market which appeal to wealthier Americans.  

                Many rural areas don't have any dentists.  There are many dentist shortage areas in the US and many inner city people who can't find a dentist to treat them.

                Dentists should stop lobbying against dental therapists if they truly care about low-income Americans.  Believe me, if fluoridation hurt their bottom line, they would be paying me to fight fluoridation.

                By the way, nobody pays me to oppose fluoridation.

                The ADA actually had someone changing facts in Wikipedia.

                And after the birth of the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) and their website http://www.fluorideaction.net
                the ADA bought up the website http://www.fluorideaction.COM  to trick people away from FAN's information.

                If FAN's information was not scientifically solid, they would have no need to pull such a childish prank

                Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 10:00:46 AM PDT

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                •  It costs me about $75 to get my teeth..... (4+ / 0-)
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                  cleaned.  And every dentist I know will take time payments for expensive procedures.  Even as a grad student with low income I went to the dentist.  Braces are expensive, but again, they take payments.

                  You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

                  by murrayewv on Sun May 31, 2009 at 11:01:48 AM PDT

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                  •  I watched my dentist (1+ / 0-)
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                    drill and fill my son's tooth.  (I was being moral support.)

                    Nothing like delicate work being done inside a live person's mouth to make you realize that you want a skilled, experienced dentist doing that.  

                    If someone wants to go to a cut rate charlatan, that's their business.  Just remember - you only get two sets of natural teeth.  After that, you are SOL!

                    Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

                    by Fabian on Sun May 31, 2009 at 01:16:25 PM PDT

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                    •  You do realize that there are (1+ / 0-)
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                      quite a few dentists out there who don't charge high rates for their services, who are just as skilled and experienced as those who charge more, right? Less expensive does not equal "cut-rate charlatan."

                      "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi -9.38/-6.26

                      by LynneK on Sun May 31, 2009 at 01:28:04 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  How do they pay their bills? (0+ / 0-)

                        Besides, our dentist replaces failed fillings for free.

                        He's worth the money.  I like to think my great teeth are entirely due to my healthy habits, but my dentist deserves credit as well.

                        What IS a "high rate"?  How much do people think they should pay for dental services?

                        Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

                        by Fabian on Sun May 31, 2009 at 01:32:12 PM PDT

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                •  I would still like to see links (0+ / 0-)

                  with objective data, please.

                  Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

                  by stitchmd on Sun May 31, 2009 at 04:08:17 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  show me yours first (0+ / 0-)

                    Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                    by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 04:52:10 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  what? (0+ / 0-)

                      I'm not the one making conspiracy charges. What, exactly, do you want me to show?

                      Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

                      by stitchmd on Sun May 31, 2009 at 05:02:48 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                    •  You made the accusations (0+ / 0-)

                      it's on you to defend them. Otherwise, you are just blowing so much hot air.

                      Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

                      by stitchmd on Sun May 31, 2009 at 05:03:25 PM PDT

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                      •  Your position is hearsay (0+ / 0-)

                        Fluoridation is based on an out-dated disproven concept that ingested fluoride reduces tooth decay.

                        If you have no evidence to share about how fluoridation is safe and effective for everyone, then you are just operating on hearsay - that which others have told you is true.

                        If you are willing to defend fluoridation, you must show me your evidence.  If you don't know what the science says, then I can't give you a cram course.

                        The science pointing to fluoride's adverse effects are here if you are truly interested in learning and not arguing:  http://www.FluorideAction.Net/...

                        Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                        by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:06:11 PM PDT

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                        •  you are absurd (0+ / 0-)

                          show me one place I defended fluouride. I said nothing about that.

                          Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

                          by stitchmd on Sun May 31, 2009 at 11:35:54 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Did you read the science yet? (0+ / 0-)

                            I've pointed you to the science showing fluoride's adverse effects because you wanted to see it.  Anyone who asks for that must have a preconceived notion that fluoride ingestion is safe and beneficial otherwise you would just agree with me.

                            Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

                            by nyscof on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 03:55:25 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  and several other people (0+ / 0-)

                            have posted counter arguments with scientific references.

                            I didn't ask for anything about fluoride; again, find me one place where I said anything about fluoride, before the comment above.

                            I was talking about your dentist conspiracy. You made specific charges about the ADA and several state agencies. I asked for the specific references to that.

                            In the last few weeks, however, I have come to realize that it is useless to try to discuss anything with those of you who hold these conspiracy theories and who don't understand how to interpret scientific data. You can't just cherry pick what supports your position and ignore the rest.

                            So I will leave this here.

                            Diversity may be the hardest thing for a society to live with, and perhaps the most dangerous thing for a society to be without - W S Coffin

                            by stitchmd on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 04:31:57 AM PDT

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      •  I have no dog in this fight (1+ / 0-)
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        but since you asked, exactly which sentence in this diary reads as "alarmist"? I see exactly one statement that might qualify as hyperbole, that sodium fluoride is a "prescription drug" instead of a mineral. Everything else is a citation. Even at that, sodium fluoride is given orally in the same manner as a drug; a quick Google reveals sites like AARP and Colgate call it a "medicine" or "prescription-strength," so I don't think that's much of a stretch. I'm aware of the history of fluoridation, Stanley Kubrick's satirical chops on the Birch Society and the current pariah status of the subject. But it would be nice to see at least one refutation of the substance of diarist's cites instead of sheer attitude.

    •  But it's fair to challenge assertions that people (2+ / 0-)
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      make. While there is a decent amount of snark in the comments here, which I completely expected, the diarist put it out there and has the responsibility to back it up. But I will also take a diary I disagree with over the pootie diaries any day.

      I know theft is illegal, but look at all the cool stuff I got!

      by BoiseBlue on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:18:02 AM PDT

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  •  Amen anti-fluoride brother! New World Order!!! (2+ / 0-)
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    by BFSkinner on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:12:22 AM PDT

  •  Our municipal water supply isn't flouridated (6+ / 0-)
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    it comes from artesian wells and is consistantly ranked as one of the purest in the state. We don't have a high incidence of dental problems, but that is because our schools teach a fairly comprhensive course on dental hygeine as part of the health curriculum. Flouride alone won't prevent tooth decay (though it is highly beneficial.) Good dental hygeine (brushing 2-3 times per day, brushing thoroughly, etc.) is the key. Flouride is merely an accessory tool that helps.

    "Truth never damages a cause that is just."~~~Mohandas K. Gandhi -9.38/-6.26

    by LynneK on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:14:30 AM PDT

  •  Good teeth. (2+ / 0-)
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    I spent my early years in an area purported to have lots of natural fluoride in the water. I'm now almost 60 and have had no problems with my teeth for something like 40 years. For what its worth.

    Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

    by billmosby on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:30:22 AM PDT

    •  Natural has calcium (1+ / 0-)
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      Natural fluoride is general calcium fluoride.  Calcium is required for healthy teeth.  Fluoride is not a nutrient nor required for healthy teeth.

      The fluoride that's added to water supplies are silicofluorides, waste products of phosphate fertilizer manufacturing, allowed to contain trace amounts of lead , arsenic, mercury and other toxins.  And never been safety tested in humans or animals.

      Sodium fluoride is what's fed to kids via prescription

      Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

      by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:36:22 AM PDT

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    •  In fact (7+ / 0-)
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      the observation that persons who live in areas with high levels of natural fluoride in the water had less dental caries were what stimulated the drive to add fluoride to water that did not have such a high level.

      How the John Birch Society determined that this was a Communist plot remains a secret known only to the initiated. And as a Jew, I am of course not able to be a party to that secret.

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      by charliehall on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:53:11 AM PDT

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      •  Bircher logic unfathomed in general.. (1+ / 0-)
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        I used to work with a bona fide bircher, in Bakersfield, CA. A summer job at a gas station. It was the summer of 68, and the whole crew was a bit "unique". The bircher was getting on in years, and he used to rail about fluoridation through some of the most rotten teeth I had seen up to that time. He also had a couple of guns hidden in strategic spots at the station so we could blast our way our of robberies after we had been tied up in those locations. Since we were the third ARCO station between the bottom of the grapevine and Bakersfield, there was usually not enough in the till to rob. My most memorable picture of him was the time he tried to get the lug nuts off of a Chrysler product after having forgotten that the ones on the left side were left-hand threaded. After working them over with an air wrench for a good half hour, they were well and truly torqued in place!

        The other member of the crew who was notable could well have been a real-life prototype of the Fonz.

        Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

        by billmosby on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:23:22 AM PDT

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        •  My father was a library director (2+ / 0-)
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          in a rather reactionary part of Maryland. The John Birchers used to give him all kind of grief, at one point vandalizing a library exhibit on the Soviet Union.

          My father was also a proud Korean War era vet (the Air Force sent him to Europe rather than Korea) and didn't think that the Bircher view of American society was what he was defending.

          All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

          by charliehall on Sun May 31, 2009 at 10:04:19 AM PDT

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  •  Personal experience (3+ / 0-)
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    My parents gave me and my siblings flouride pills until we were in our late teens.

    At age seventeen I had had exactly two fillings, and one was because the tooth grew in cracked. My siblings had similar experiences.

    I've had a few more since then, but my teeth are nothing like my mother's, which by age 60 were mostly metal. (Probably a good thing, too, as I turned out to be allergic to lidocaine)

    •  Diet (0+ / 0-)

      The only scientfically valid cause for tooth decay is poor diet and low socio economic status (which is usually a cause for poor diet)

      Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

      by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:51:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  the same systematic review that you quote from (9+ / 0-)

        in the November 2008 Journal of the American Dental Association makes a distinction between primary teeth and permanent teeth:

        CONCLUSIONS: There is weak and inconsistent evidence that the use of fluoride supplements prevents dental caries in primary teeth. There is evidence that such supplements prevent caries in permanent teeth. Mild-to-moderate dental fluorosis is a significant side effect.
        CLINICAL IMPLICATIONS: The current recommendations for use of fluoride supplements during the first six years of life should be re-examined.

        You can't just cherry pick quotes. It seems that you have a point about the use of fluoride supplements for children under six, but not in older children. But by pushing the former and ignoring the information about the benefits for permanent teeth, you are not being intellectually forthright.  

        •  Pwnd! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        •  The evidence speaks for itself (0+ / 0-)

          Evidence-based-dentistry is a new concept being ushered in by one of these authors (Ismail)I am not cherry picking when I tell you he and his colleagues could only find one study that showed any benefit to primary teeth and that study was flawed.

          He is being careful because the issue is so political and the Centers for Disease Control and the American Dental Association, whose lead the CDC follows still is recommending fluoride supplements for primary teeth.

          The researchers report the data and probably - they don't make policy. By the ned of this year, the ADA and the CDC will probably either abandon fluoride supplement recommendations or lower them - that's if the political old-timers don't push back against it as they often do.

          These things don't happen overnight.  I'm just giving you a sneak preview for those of you who don't have the time to research the fluoride literature daily.

          Fluoridation 101 http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof News Releases http://tinyurl.com/6kqtu

          by nyscof on Sun May 31, 2009 at 09:38:12 AM PDT

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    •  I wonder, though, if that's due more to (2+ / 0-)
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      proper oral hygiene than the supplements.

      I grew up drinking well water, so no fluoridation there. I had a few cavities when I was a little; I thought brushing was a nuisance, so I only did it once a day. But after my permanent teeth came in (and I decided I really, REALLY hated dentist's drills), I started taking better care of them. Brushing twice a day, flossing, using fluoride rinse, that sort of thing. I'm 33 now, and I've never had a cavity in any of my permanent teeth. Genetics might be part of it, too; my mom is in her sixties and she's only had two fillings.

      As for the diary itself, I choose to have no opinion.

  •  Flu0r1d3 r3v0lut10n!! (3+ / 0-)
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    U CAN'T STOP IT!!!!1

  •  Someone please ban this one... (0+ / 0-)

    This is getting ridiculous.

  •  The anti-fluoride folks (0+ / 0-)

    and the pro-fluoride folks are never going to agree on this.
    I'm with the anti contingent, and have read enough to know I don't want to drink it. Toothpaste with it gags me. Always has.
    I believe it's toxic waste that historically has been disposed of on an unsuspecting public.
    Everybody is free to think what they want, it's still America last I heard.
    Best solution would be to remove it from our water supply, and allow those who want it to buy it do so, and install a canister on their taps which mixes it in their water.
    That way, we'd have an alternative other than not living where our supply has it added. Right now, the only choice we have is to live off the public supply, or buy bottled that does not contain it.

    •  Just wondering (0+ / 0-)

      how do you clean your teeth?

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      A yam.
      What a Yam!
      And that's all that - A yam.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sun May 31, 2009 at 11:31:05 AM PDT

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      •  I don't like any toothpaste. (0+ / 0-)

        And my sensory sensitive son is now happily brushing his teeth with mouthwash.  With his dentist's blessing.

        As my dentist says "It doesn't matter so much what you use, as long as you do it.".  He wouldn't care if we brushed with water!  

        Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

        by Fabian on Sun May 31, 2009 at 01:09:22 PM PDT

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      •  With a tooth brush, dental floss (0+ / 0-)

        and tea tree toothpaste. Last time I had them cleaned, the hygienist remarked on lack of build up, even though it had been several years since they'd been cleaned.

  •  You just don't want Vermin Supreme (0+ / 0-)

    to win in 2012.

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    A yam.
    What a Yam!
    And that's all that - A yam.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sun May 31, 2009 at 11:26:37 AM PDT

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