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Dr. Hern : There is no middle-ground with people who want to kill you.  The Only Difference between the American Anti-Abortion Movement and the Taliban - is about 8000 Miles.

In following up on the Tiller Assassination story I realized that elements seemed familiar.  Less than a week or so ago, before the shooting I had seen one of those late night crime stories about a middle-aged woman who had been put on trial for shooting a doctor.

The story focused not so much on her crime, which didn't kill the doctor in question but merely injured him or her claims in court that her lousy aim should be considered a mitigating faster, instead the piece focused on her connections to an underground network of rabid anti-abortionists.  Including Paul Hill who had shot and killed a clinic physician and his escort with a shotgun in Pensacola Florida.

She had written to Paul, and to other incarcerated anti-abortion killers such as Michael Griffin.  Through them she had gained encouragement, and even direction - but the prosecutors were frustrated in proving conspiracy charges.

Here's a sample tribute video I found to Paul Hill.


Tribute to Paul Hill by anonymous AOG member
by RevSpitz</div>

Muy Creepy.

I had forgotten about the report, then after the the Tiller shooting I started to wonder and decided to look up the name of the person mentioned by Rachel Maddow as having previously shot Dr. Tiller in both arms - that person was Shelly Shannon  - the same person from the report I'd seen last week - and what I immediately found was this...


How to Destroy a Killing Center if You're Just an Old Grandma
Who Can't Even Get the Fire Started in Her Fireplace

by Shelley Shannon

*Please re-type or photocopy this and burn the copy you were given, with the fingerprints thereof. Thanks.  

What followed was quite literally a how to/confession of a Terrorist Act, the fire-bombing of on a Women's Clinic. It's almost comically inept and pathetic - but still in many ways that only makes it's deadliness even more serious.  Murder and Arson for Dummy Grandma's! Estelle Getty with suicide bomb strapped on.  Silly, but still Deadly.

"Photocopy this then burn the pages" -- it's almost like something from "Get Smart" with the Cone of Silence. Shelley Shannon Super-Sleuth.  Not exactly. James Bond and AQ Khan she ain't. Hence the Prison!  Heaven help us if someone whose actually seen an entire season of any version of CSI or Criminal Minds gets hooked up with these dullards.

I found another shock/irony when I read the tagline, because as far as I know Shelley Shannon is serving prison time until 2018 for her attack on Dr. Tiller and a set of subsequence fires and her Muy Talibanish acid attacks.

To contact: e-mail:
Telephone 1-757-204-4454
Or write to: Rev. Donald Spitz
           Pro-Life Virginia
           P.O. Box 2876
           Chesapeake VA 23327

Do people in prison get email? Also - uh-  "Rev. Donald Spitz"?

Again, something strangely familiar.  Several weeks ago I wrote a post about the the Knoxville Tennesee Gunman who killed two people and injured fived in a gun attack on a Unitarian Church who was "Trying to Kill Liberals".

I got a response on my personal blog - It was from a Rev. Donald Spitz. He said...

Don't tell me about Eric Rudolph. At least he stopped the babykilling abortionist from murdering any more children. What have you done to stopped these babies from being murdered?

How many straight children have been molested and murdered by homosexuals like you? A lot. How many Christians have been assaulted by homosexuals like you because you didn't like the way they voted? A lot. How many Christian churches have been burned down by homosexuals like you because you disagree with the Holy Bible? A lot. Matthew Shepard is in eternal hell fire now and will never get out.

Whatever you think, you will not be able to change God's Word and will one day have to pay the price for not believing what God has written.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

When I clicked on his name it showed this... (NSFW)

Sweet guy. At the time I blew it off, there are plenty of nuts and fruits on the net. No biggie.

I'm not blowing it off anymore. This is like having Ramzi Yousef leave a Firepie on your front porch.

His blog - has only three posts, and they're about as smart and coherent as the one he left on my blog praising Eric Rudolph and calling me Gay (which I'm not, particularly after 17 years of nice simple Opposite Marriage).

By the way, go back to that Paul Hill Tribute Video, notice anything... like "by RevSpitz"?


Yet another Super-sleuth.

As it turns our Rev Spitz runs the entire Army of God website which features include the Official "Authorized" Websites for Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph and several other Anti-Abortion Heroes Murderous zealots as well as references to an Army of God Manual for Anti-Abortion "Warriors" - think of it as an Anarchist Cookbook for Christian Wing-nut Terrorists Dumbasses - a copy of which was first found in the possession of Shelley Shannon during her apprehension for the previous shooting of Dr. Tiller.  It's like - "Need proof I'm a potential mass-murder - here's my instruction manual with nice neat little hand-written notes in the margins, take me away!".

The sites current headline that says..

George Tiller will never murder another child again.

Abortionist George Tiller, now in eternal hell fire for shedding the blood of innocent children

Ok, so I get what The Donald has to say... but what do others say about him?  Others like say, the Southern Poverty Law Center?

The Rev. Donald Spitz has never been a pleasant man. Considered a wild-eyed extremist even among his colleagues on the radical anti-abortion scene, the head of Pro-Life Virginia and long-time principal of the Army of God Web site ( applauds the murderers of physicians, clinic workers and secretaries.

He rails against "filthy faggots" and "lesbos." Islam is "Satanic," Arabs are "Rag-Heads," and Muslims "should not be allowed to live in the United States." New York City is a "sex perverted cesspool" that richly deserved Sept. 11.

But there is one type of vicious group hatred Don Spitz has always denied — the "false accusations of racism" against blacks "put out by desperate babykilling abortionists." If a black man accepts Christ, "then that man is my brother."

Well, maybe. And maybe not.


Yeah, on top of everything else, the Christo-Fascism, the homophobia and being a signatory on a "defensive action statement" declaring the murder of abortionist as "justifiable" - Good Ole' RevSpitz is a White Supremacist. Lovely.

We do have a American Taliban, and they aren't hiding very far from the surface.  Not at all.  And if I was member of the Joint Counter Terrorist Task Force, I think I know where to direct a little NSA Surveillance or at least y'know - a WARRANT - since he and 30 others signed a open DEATH THREAT ON HIS FELLOW AMERICAN CITIZENS.

"We, the undersigned, declare the justice of taking all godly action necessary to defend innocent human life including the use of force. We proclaim that whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child. We assert that if Michael Griffin did in fact kill David Gunn, his use of lethal force was justifiable provided it was carried out for the purpose of defending the lives of unborn children. Therefore, he ought to be acquitted of the charges against him."

* Kenneth Arndt, Windham, N.H.
* Mary Beddingfield, Pittsburgh, Pa.  
* Dan Bray, Bowie, Md.
* Donna Bray, Bowie, Md.
* Michael Bray, Bowie, Md.
* John Brockhoeft, prisoner, Burlington, Ky.
* Andrew Burnett, Portland, Ore.
* Thomas Carleton, prisoner, Billerica, Mass.
* David Craig, Hope, Ind.
* David Crane, Norfolk, Va.
* Paul deParrie, Portland, Ore.
* Regina Dinwiddie, Kansas City, Mo. * Michael Dodds, Kansas
* Henry Felisone, Queens, N.Y.
* Joseph Foreman, Bluejay, Calif.
* Mary Friberg, New Brighton, Minn.
* David Graham, Olathe, Kan.
* Paul J. Hill, prisoner, Pensacola, Fla.
* Michael Jarecki, Brushton, N.Y.
* Bill Koehler, North Bergen, N.J.
* Dave Leach, Des Moines, Iowa
* C. Roy McMillan, Jackson, Miss.
* Mike Meyer, Cincinnati, Ohio
* Jacob Miller, Tampa, Fla.
* Joseph F. O'Hara, Pennsylvania
* Robert Pearson, West Long Branch, N.J.
* Tony Piso, Forest Hill, N.Y.
* Cathy Ramey, Portland, Ore.
* <blink>Donald Spitz, Norfolk, Va.</blink>
* Dawn Stover, Portland, Ore.
* Matt Trewhella, Milwaukee, Wisc.
* David Trosch, Mobile, Ala.
* Mike Walker, Alabama
* Valerie Zyskowski, Pittsburgh, Pa.

I'm just saying... when people openly declare they support the commission of a capital offense, maybe we should be listening to them, maybe we should let them Know we're listening them, and that they will be held accountable for their actions.

P.S. His site sucks. ugly colors, bad design, shitty fonts, cheesy graphics, stupid ideas. (I had to completely re-work it just so that it would even post here because of all the trash in the code.)  Like something a 12-year-old in a 50-year-old body would make. Perfectly Fitting.


Originally posted to Vyan on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 01:54 AM PDT.

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    •  I saw the Rachel Maddow piece last night (4+ / 0-)

      I was glad that Dr. Hern was so forceful in his attacks on the anti-abortion terrorists.  Call them as they are - fascist terrorists.

      I've had some of my neocon college acquaintances tell me that this act of killing is an isolated incident.

      While the act of killing is an isolated incident (at least in terms of how many compared to the incessant clinic protests), their thought processes are not isolated, but instead the norm.

      "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

      by mconvente on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 07:46:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  and now Zawahiri is saying they are scouting out (8+ / 0-)

    the Mexican border for a bio attack
    ( From the Washington Times, thanks Pluto)

    In the 10-minute clip, al-Nafisi suggested that al Qaeda might want to make common cause with what he claimed are "300,000" members of white supremacist and other militias in the U.S.

     and I think they'd be crazy not to hook up with the anti abortion crazies.
     Just sayin'

    In 2002, the USFS spent $36 million on its Tongass timber sales program, and rec'd back just $1.2 million from timber companies.

    by KenBee on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 02:13:09 AM PDT

  •  Army of God, Al Qaeda, Taliban (10+ / 0-)

    natural allies.
     And I can easily see how the FBI will follow them around, infiltrate them, egg them on, watch and see who and how many they kill, take names, file reports, squash and suppress said reports, and then retire and write books about the whole thing.
      Or hopefully round them up before they kill somebody...oops,  too late.

    In 2002, the USFS spent $36 million on its Tongass timber sales program, and rec'd back just $1.2 million from timber companies.

    by KenBee on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 02:19:10 AM PDT

  •  I notice Paul Hill is on the list too. (4+ / 0-)

    They're in good company.

    Murderer approved.

  •  I wonder if this problem would exist (2+ / 0-)
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    TracieLynn, sberel

    if they directed their wrath at the politicians and/or judges? If their names, addresses, phone numbers and daily schedules were published, so that a fanatic could take them out, would it be seen as an organized threat?

    Of course it would.

    Politicians would be falling all over themselves to pass laws to protect themselves. So why not clinics?

  •  An interesting question from Rev Donald Spitz: (5+ / 0-)

    How many Christians have been assaulted by homosexuals like you because you didn't like the way they voted?

    A lot?, How about none? Did he provide any proof? Of course not. If these theocrats aren't allowed to dictate the law to the whole country they feel they are being persecuted.

    That's America, buddy! So wake up -- to your only logical choice: Me. George Tirebiter

    by irate on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 04:49:18 AM PDT

  •  Let's keep saying it. (2+ / 0-)

    Maybe someone will notice this time...

    They tortured people To get false confessions To fraudulently justify Invasion of Iraq!

    by Immigrant Punk on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 06:17:46 AM PDT

  •  A lesbian columnist friend of mine once cited (1+ / 0-)
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    this passage:

    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    To which she replied, "Somebody say Amen!


    "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary." -Handmaid's Tale

    by Cenobyte on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 06:42:01 AM PDT

  •  It's too late. (1+ / 2-)
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    ivorybill, AmericanRiverCanyon

    The Christian Taliban is too big.  It's too spread out.  It's too intertwined within.  Bush made sure his Christians were put deep within.  The Christian Taliban has expanded and taken over most of the country.  The more despair within our country the more religious it gets.  So sad.  The Christian taliban has won.  Too many Americans believe in religion.  They think it's real.    Scary stuff.  The Christian Taliban has claimed West Virginia, Tenn, MO, SC, NC, and so on.  

  •  Memo to Rev. Spitz: Jesus was probably not white (1+ / 0-)
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    Since Jesus was born in the Middle East, he was probably brown or black skinned. His mother, Mary, was most likely part of a subset of Jews known as Sephardim.  After the Romans conquered Judea and the Diaspora began, most of the Sephardim settled in Spain and flourished — just like the Arabs did — until the Inquisition.

    •  Jesus was probably a typical Levantine (0+ / 0-)

      Olive skin, black hair, brown eyes, large aquiline nose - you find that genotype all over the Middle East. They're nominally "Caucasian", but the bigoted pricks who made up the labels would have considered them "nonwhite". (A lot of bigoted pricks still do.)

      BTW: do a little historical research. Sephardim weren't called Sephardim until they settled in Spain. Little is known of their history before that.

      Change WHO can believe in?

      by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 09:11:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A sweeping generalisation (0+ / 0-)

    This really is a sweeping generalisation. Out of at least 100 million Americans who call themselves pro-life, 1 guy goes insane. It would be like saying that all black people are terrorists because of that one guy who killed an army recruiter.

    Also, I don't think aligning ourselves with late-term abortionists is a good way to win votes. Tiller preformed about 60,000 abortions. If you look at picture of a 6, 7, 8, or 9 month old fetus it looks remarkably human, and over 70% of Americans oppose partial birth abortion.

    Seriously, do you want the republicans in power?

    •  Lies, Slander and Christiban "Talking Points"! (1+ / 0-)
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      Jeezum Creebus, that "60,000" horseshit has been debunked again and again and again!

      Have you seen any pictures of 6, 7, etc. months old fetuses with anencephaly, encephalocele, hydrocephalus, omphalocele, etc. etc. etc.? How "human" do you think they look?

      Over 70% of Americans "oppose" "partial birth abortion" because the wingnuts coined the term, seized the narrative, and screamed their heads off about it so loudly for so long that no sane person could get half a syllable in edgewise about what procedure was actually involved and under what circumstances it was typically done.

      What GOOD does it do to "win votes" if it means throwing away our RIGHTS?

      Change WHO can believe in?

      by TheOtherMaven on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 09:18:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Statisticly irrelevant (0+ / 0-)

        "Have you seen any pictures of 6, 7, etc. months old fetuses with anencephaly, encephalocele, hydrocephalus, omphalocele, etc. etc. etc.? How "human" do you think they look?
        I researched this though, the state of Kansas kept records. The majority were not for ilnesses or deformities like that.

        Pro-life and pro-labor movement

        by Specter 2010 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 07:21:39 PM PDT

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        •  Well, when you lump them ALL together (0+ / 0-)

          EVERY abortion, EVERYWHERE in Kansas, at ANY time in a pregnancy from ~4 weeks on up, maybe you get up to 60,000. Maybe.

          But that's not the way the statistics are being (mis)used.

          O'Really and the other lying liars on the wingnut right have been trying to blame Dr Tiller specifically for all 60,000 and deceptively attributing them ALL to "late-term". They don't CARE that the math doesn't add up.

          There used to be an old saying, "Lies, damn lies, and statistics". You might want to think about that.

          Change WHO can believe in?

          by TheOtherMaven on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 09:29:37 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  O'reilly? lol (0+ / 0-)

            "EVERY abortion, EVERYWHERE in Kansas, at ANY time in a pregnancy from ~4 weeks on up, maybe you get up to 60,000. Maybe."
            No, I think that was for Dr. Tiller alone.

            "O'Really and the other lying liars on the wingnut right have been trying to blame Dr Tiller specifically for all 60,000 and deceptively attributing them ALL to "late-term". They don't CARE that the math doesn't add up."
            I know they're not all late term. A lot of them were though. You can check the math yourself, I believe the state of Kansas kept at least some records.

            Oh, and I'm not getting this from O'reilly etc, I've used state of Kansas records. I can't remeber the last time I watched O'reilly for even a minute.

            Your posts against me however are starting to sound similiar to what he says. Just substitute "liberal" for "wingnut"

            Pro-life and pro-labor movement

            by Specter 2010 on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 11:55:22 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Uh ok.... (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe you should stick to watching Fox and friends.

      All of your bullshit talking points have been debunked repeatedly here and elsewhere.

      Then again with a name like "Specter 2010", I doubt you'd be interested in pushing a progressive agenda

      •  You don't know what you're talking about (0+ / 0-)

        "Then again with a name like "Specter 2010", I doubt you'd be interested in pushing a progressive agenda"

        In 2004 I refused to support Kerry because he wasn't liberal enough, which would have made most of you conservative by comparison. Why should disagreement on one issue define who I am politically?

        Also, I'd like to say that even though I'm religious, I don't consider abortion a religious issue.

        Pro-life and pro-labor movement

        by Specter 2010 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 08:28:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  For someone who claims to be an "ultra-liberal" (0+ / 0-)

          you are ASTONISHINGLY gullible about wingnut bullshit. And you are INCREDIBLY incompetent - or just as deliberately mendacious as they - in your abuse of statistics.

          By the way, if you're male you have no skin in this game. You will never get pregnant, you will never have to make any of the hard decisions, so unless it's your wife/girlfriend AND she asks for your opinion, you really have nothing to say about it.

          Change WHO can believe in?

          by TheOtherMaven on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 09:35:02 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  You're still presuming a lot (0+ / 0-)

            "By the way, if you're male"
            Now where did you get the idea I was male?

            However, I think they should still get a say because it's not like you or I are going to get aborted. Does that mean we shouldn't have a say?

            Pro-life and pro-labor movement

            by Specter 2010 on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 05:52:32 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  You know (1+ / 0-)
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    I just got done reading the diary on social media.

    This is the other reason I'm not on facebook. Fine for the people I run into at the grocery store to hear that my oldest son's voice has changed and I'm working on a novel.

    I wear my pentacle on a long chain. I don't hold hands or say things to my boyfriend or my girlfriend in public, we play it off as just friends. I would rather not every mouthbreather that I went to school with know that I pray to a goddess.

  •  What about their website being hosted in Malaysia (1+ / 0-)
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    Since the funny Reverend tries his hand at little obscuring techniques I dug a little and found that the Army of God websites are not so well hidden as he thought using front in CA and an IP host in Malaysia with an Aussie mailbox address:

    Admin Emmanuel and Jeanette Rivera
    Registrant Name: Jeanette Rivera
    Registrant Organization: Private Registration US
    Registrant Address1: P O Box 99800
    Registrant City: EmeryVille
    Registrant State/Province: CA
    Registrant Postal Code: 94662
    Registrant Country: United States
    Registrant Country Code: US
    Registrant Phone Number: +1.5105952002
    Registrant Email:
    Administrative Contact ID: A112294080874445
    Administrative Contact Name: Admin PrivateRegContact
    Administrative Contact Organization: Private Reg US
    Administrative Contact Address1: P O Box 99800
    Administrative Contact City: EmeryVille
    Administrative Contact State/Province: CA
    Administrative Contact Postal Code: 94662
    Administrative Contact Country: United States
    Administrative Contact Country Code: US
    Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.5105952002
    Administrative Contact Email:

    I thought you might get in a complaint for the threatening email and I am positive you are familiar with the Internet Crime Complaint Center also the FBI tips and public leads website might be useful but has anybody tried to hit them economically with e.g. complaint via the National Arbitration Forum For the procedure look here and for a decision here. Oh by the way Jeanettes phone number has been listed for a certain Demi Pietchell who seems to have been involved in a website scam (see post #4). Like you said those guys/ gals are not too bright (luckily) but maybe dangerous.

  •  Wow. Scary! (1+ / 0-)
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    It's too late to tip and rec this, but it was wonderful.

    Please consider reposting it sometime so that more people can have a chance to read it.

    And thank you.

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." --- Ed Howdershelt (Author)

    by SciMathGuy on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 05:11:49 AM PDT

  •  Harassing Clinics is a Federal Offense (0+ / 0-)

    A couple of commenters seemed to be unaware of it, but clinics like Dr. Tillers and those Planned Parenthood operates, as well as hospitals and physicians' offices that provide the same services, have been protected under federal law since May of 1994 by the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act or FACE ACT.

    The act protects both those providing and those receiving reproductive health care services. It forbids the use of "force, threat of force or physical obstruction" to prevent someone from providing or receiving reproductive health services. The law also provides for both criminal and civil penalties for those who break the law. It is a federal law so violations get the FBI into any investigations.

    So harassment and blockage of patients and staff, or worse, at a clinic constitutes a federal crime, not just something local, although local police almost always are the first involved in an incident. The act has been reasonably effective in reducing violence and the threat of violence, although it did nothing for Dr. Tiller in his church last Sunday morning.

    For those interested, a layman's explanation of the details can be found here.

  •  If we ever had to actually take up arms.... (0+ / 0-)

    If we ever had to actually take up arms, perhaps these assholes would be a good place to start. I mean, they openly call for violent murder and the assholes that run the FBI in, for instance, KCMO or Little Rock don't seem to feel the need to get these maniacs under control.  Crazy as it sounds, maybe doctors like Tiller need to have armed killers discretely shadowing them to "get the fuckers first"  I'm just sayin....(It's OK if y'all flame me for my inflammatory speech...I don't mind)

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:19:38 PM PDT

  •  Speaking of Ineffective FBI... (0+ / 0-)

    Perhaps it might be more immediately useful for us to start a screaming campaign against the FBI office that covers KCMO-  The Rachel Maddow Show discussion of this event seems to indicate that the FBI in KCMO did not protect the community when they were presented with clear proof of bad intent and lawbreaking on the part of the Pro-Slavery people.  If they had locked the bastard up after he glued the doors shut, perhaps Dr Tiller would still be with us. Perhaps some well-informed Kossack could dredge up a few people to shower with angry (but polite) letters demanding that the SAIC in KCMO be fired...Probably more useful than hiring paid killers. I hope.

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:27:49 PM PDT

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