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Remember how our new best friend Manny Miranda said the following about the Sotomayor debate?

“Hispanic polls, Hispanic surveys, indicate that Hispanics think just like everyone else. We’re not like African-Americans. We think just like everybody else. When I was on the leader’s staff, someone called me once and asked me: ‘What’s Senator Frist’s Hispanic agenda?’ I said, ‘low taxes, better education, more jobs ... what are you talking about?’ And that’s how Hispanics are. This is an opportunity to educate them on all of our issues and they will resonate in the way that they resonate with everyone else.”

Keep that in mind as you look at the following results, which show that the GOP's campaign against Sotomayor has been a huge fizzle.

Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 5/31-6/4. All adults. MoE 2% (No trend lines)

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Sonia Sotomayor?

          Fav   Unfav

All:       56    29

Dem:       81     6
Rep:       18    73
Ind:       57    25

White:     48    38
Black:     70     9
Latino:    82     5 (See that, Manny?)

Northeast: 67    16
Midwest:   59    25
West:      57    26
South:     45    44

The South really is a different world than the rest of America, and that's because it is dominated by Republicans, which have lost all touch with the rest of their fellow Americans. The differences are stark. And it's not just the expected split between Democrats and Republicans, but the inability of Republicans to bring a significant number of independents along.

In any case, the Republicans have settled on two talking points in their attacks against Sotomayor -- that she is racist, and that "empathy" is an unwelcome trait in a Supreme Court Justice. Do Americans agree?

Based on what you know or have heard about Sonia Sotomayor do you think she is a racist?

          Yes    No

All:        8    61

Dem:        4    74
Rep:       19    28 (53% undecided)
Ind:        6    68

White:     10    54
Black:      4    71
Latino:     2    83

Northeast:  4    71
Midwest:    6    65
West:       8    64
South:     13    48

Good to see Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich in that fringiest of fringe 8 percent. It's certainly where they belong. It's also interesting that the combined might of the right wing noise machine, which has spent the last two weeks screaming about Sotomayor's racism, has had such little effect. Even Republicans, so quick to believe whatever crap Fox News and Rush feeds them, are unsure -- their undecideds on this question are unnaturally high. They hear what their media heroes are saying, but they can't quite square that with what their eyes and ears tell them. Thus, less than a fifth of Republicans buy the charge.  

So that first talking point has been an epic fail. What about the stuff about "empathy"?

Do you think empathy is an important characteristic for a Supreme Court Justice to possess or not?

          Yes    No

All:       52    29

Dem:       73    12
Rep:       18    56
Ind:       54    28

White:     41    39
Black:     81     4
Latino:    79     4

Northeast: 63    18
Midwest:   55    25
West:      53    27
South:     41    42

18-29:     63    17
30-44:     47    34
45-59:     55    26
60+:       46    35

You learn something new every day, and what I learned from the Sotomayor nomination is that "empathy" is a dirty word to conservatives. Who knew! This is the crowd that is constantly talking about private charities helping out the needy, but apparently they hate charity as well, since you can't have charity without empathy.

Unfortunately for Republicans, empathy is an American value, and it once again puts them out of the mainstream. I included the age numbers in this question because they are particularly salient -- the youngest generation is certainly one highly attuned to notions of injustice (hence the strong support for gay rights, among other things). The 30-44 cohort is the one that came of age during the Reagan years and is the most Republican. The boomers are Alex Keaton's parents, and the 60+ crowd just want everyone else to get off their lawn.

But that millennial generation is by far the most empathetic -- a trend that will compound GOP efforts to win those voters over to their side.

So both talking points have been utter failures. Bottom line?

Based on what you know or have heard about Sonia Sotomayor do you think she is qualified to become Supreme Court Justice or not?

          Yes    No

All:       54    26

Dem:       80     5
Rep:       15    74
Ind:       55    21

White:     46    35
Black:     67     5
Latino:    83     4

Northeast: 66    12
Midwest:   57    21
West:      55    22
South:     41    45

Not even close. Sotomayor will sail smoothly into the Supreme Court. And the more Republicans persist with their crazy talking points, the further out on the fringe they'll end up. Eight percent!

And a bonus finding:

Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Rush Limbaugh?

          Fav    Unfav

All:       27    65

Dem:       10    84
Rep:       64    30
Ind:       22    68

White:     37    57
Black:      2    92
Latino:     3    77

Northeast: 14    80
Midwest:   23    71
West:      25    70
South:     42    45

Sotomayor is more popular than Rush even in the South.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:40 AM PDT.

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  •  Miranda: typical Republican pigheaded arrogance. (4+ / 0-)
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    kitebro, cgvjelly, rontun, Greasy Grant

    Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal. ~From a headstone in Ireland

    by Wom Bat on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:42:27 AM PDT

  •  are you hinting that if Rush wasn't on (1+ / 0-)
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    drugs, he would be popular?  

    Republicans===the party of the 1% rich people in America. Or in other words..The Party of NO!

    by jalapeno on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:43:45 AM PDT

  •  The fail is failing (11+ / 0-)

    because it is destined to fail.

    Smiting trolls on the tubes since 1977!

    by blue aardvark on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:44:22 AM PDT

    •  That is some pretty major fail (1+ / 0-)
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      NM Ward Chair

      It's tragic though  that MOST Republicans believe Sotomayor isn't qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice but judging from this they don't know WHY, except they've got marching  orders. Unfortunately, the Republican Party's (and their mouthpiece conservative pundits') idea of who isn't qualified is "Anyone Obama appoints who isn't a hardline conservative." And he'll never appoint one of those. So qualified to them equals hard right ideology.

      Rob Portman: He sent your job to China.

      by anastasia p on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:21:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bwahahaha. (4+ / 0-)

    Damn, when will NC have enough Latinos to officially qualify as "not the South"?  We keep hearing that Charlotte, at any rate, will go majority nonwhite by, like, next year...

  •  Do not discount the popularity of Rage (12+ / 0-)

    These preening, lying, freedom hating clowns are on the fringe right now, but we dismiss their ability to muck up the debate and smear people at our own peril.

    It was only six years ago that they turned Max Cleland into Osama Bin Laden.

    All it would take is, God forbid, another terrorist attack to scare people again, and these thugs, bullies and racists that call themselves "republican" could make a comeback as dangerous and destructive as anything that came before.

    I laughed as George H.W. Bush sailed into the sunset in disgrace in 1992.  Eight years later, and his son was back to hurt us even more.

    We must stay vigilant.

    •  Indies favor Sotomayor 2:1--the GOP has really (3+ / 0-)
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      stephdray, mmacdDE, NM Ward Chair

      lost them, and most of what they're doing now will only exacerbate that trend.  While a terrorist attack obviously is a concern, a U3 of 9.4% is a bigger concern right now.  Seeing that # trend downward is necessary to keep indies from thinking about giving the GOP another shot.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:06:02 AM PDT

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  •  So they can only get 14% of their party (2+ / 0-)
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    seabrook, jodygirl

    To buy the Rush racist line, that's rather telling....

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:45:41 AM PDT

  •  <snark> yeah - but those are just numbers (0+ / 0-)

    (predicting next line of delusional response)

  •  It was pretty clear... (9+ / 0-)

    ...that she was going to sail through confirmation as soon as she was nominated. She's now providing, though, a second service to her country by provoking yet more GOP self-grave-digging.

    So, thanks Your Honor!

    "Then a man dripping with Vitalis said I looked like Joe Namath." - Vic Chesnutt

    by turnover on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:45:57 AM PDT

  •  Republicans Are in Kneejerk Mode (10+ / 0-)

    They don't realize it, but they are coming off as reactionary with clealry knreejerk, Pavlovian responses to anything Obama does.  They would do themselves a huge favor if they at least APPEARED to reserve judgement on things and they could also avoid arguments that were clear losers.

    I will not speak with disrespect of the Republican Party. I always speak with respect of the past. -Woodrow Wilson

    by Gangster Octopus on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:46:29 AM PDT

  •  Their unhinged rhetoric isn't working (5+ / 0-)

    They think no one will notice their unhinged rhetoric, which they don't really believe but use  fire up the base and raise cash. But people are noticing, and it is why approval ratings for the Republican Party are -55.

    Their also entering into dangerous territory. Stoking up that sort of anger can lead to bad, bad places when crazies get an idea (see Dr. Tiller and Keith Olbermann on that).

    The problem for the Republican Party is that they convinced themselves that they won the last election they won by pleasing the base. They didn't--they won because 30-something and 40-something women in suburban Cleveland bought the "don't change horses in mid stream" argument, and because their was still residual fear from 9-11 that Bush provided some comfort on.

    But Rove went around saying it was the base. And so now they're trying to please an angry and extremist base, and in so doing alienating themselves from the rest of America. If this keeps up, the Libertarian Party will be the official opposition by the end of the President's term.

  •  50 state strategy. Now is the time to strike (1+ / 0-)
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    hard in the South.  I was amazed at the possibilities for Obama, but let's hope we can continue to make strides.  Hope there are some decent candidates there.  We'll need them.

    •  "The South really is a different world than the (2+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, xango715

      rest of America." Extremely true, but you could also apparently say that same thing about white people according to these polls.

      Democrats have a "southern" problem. We also have a "working class whites" problem, which we should be embarrassed to have.

  •  a huge hit with the base (1+ / 0-)
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    and with the folks at fox

  •  Glad Sen. Nelson is representing the 6% of dems. (11+ / 0-)

    too bad he doesn't know about the other 94% of them.

    Republicans===the party of the 1% rich people in America. Or in other words..The Party of NO!

    by jalapeno on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:48:46 AM PDT

  •  The south always has been a different world (1+ / 0-)
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  •  So Rush really IS in the GOP mainstream. (8+ / 0-)

    2/3 of people who call themselves Republicans have a favorable opinion of him?

    So much for my hope that grassroots GOP were quietly waiting for him to go away.

    He really is the voice of the party.

    They really are doomed.


    And remember: If you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own. - Scoop Nisker, the Last News Show

    by North Madison on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:51:16 AM PDT

  •  Methinks we poll too much. (0+ / 0-)

    Kos, you're on the right side when it comes to issues and candidates, and I understand your interest in showing that progressives have the makings of a sustained majority, but all of this polling feeds a basically pathological political culture that's structurally biased in favor of the more demagogic party, which isn't us.  I'd rather see polling, if we have to see non-candidate-oriented polling, about broader questions.

    Al que no le guste el caldo, le dan dos tazas.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:51:39 AM PDT

  •  Ouch. (6+ / 0-)

    Sotomayor is more popular than Rush even in the South.

    That's got to hurt.

    "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

    by journeyman on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:52:04 AM PDT

  •  We Negroes ROCK! (15+ / 0-)

    haha.. we give Rushbo a 2% approval, 92% disapproval rate. We really really REALLY don't like that guy.

  •  It's interesting (1+ / 0-)
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    that on every question, when you break down answers by party, the Republicans ratings are way out of step with Dems, Independents, AND ethnicity, AND geographic regions.  They really do have a very skewed view on.........most things.

    The reason we hold truth in such respect is because we have so little opportunity to get familiar with it. --Mark Twain

    by Desert Rose on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:52:47 AM PDT

    •  Bet They're Mainstream on Most Points (0+ / 0-)

      with the global economy and military complex.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:55:43 AM PDT

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  •  But-- But BWOYYYY! Pay Attention, Son, I'm -- (0+ / 0-)

    Image Hosted by

    --Oh. Ah see it DOES add up.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:54:05 AM PDT

  •  Wow. "We're not like African Americans". (11+ / 0-)

    We think just like everybody else

    Since when do African Americans not think like "everybody else?"

    Obama thinks more like me (56 year old white woman veteran) than almost anybody else. Save my Reps and Senators. I am lucky enough to have Keith Ellison for a Rep and Amy Klobuchar for a Senator, and (soon I hope) Al Franken for the other Senator, which means I don't have to spend a lot of my time emailing them harassing them to do the right thing, because they will do it without me.

    I can just email them thanking them for that. :):)

    Thank you Keith, Amy and Al. I feel privileged to live in this district and have true progressives like you to represent me. (Well at least Al will represent me once Norm takes his sour grapes ball and goes home.)

  •  O rly? (1+ / 0-)
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    Hispanics think just like everyone else. We’re not like African-Americans. We think just like everybody else.

    Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Rush Limbaugh?
             Fav    Unfav
    Black:      2    92
    Latino:     3    77

  •  You missed the most important question (1+ / 0-)
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    Do you think Sotomayor SHOULD be confirmed.  There the split 41% : 37%

    Which means the Republican campaign didn't succeed, but it hardly fizzled.

    •  Depends on the poll (0+ / 0-)

      AP's poll taken just a couple of days earlier has her 50-22 on the question of confirmation.


      •  Also depends up on ther factors (1+ / 0-)
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        How the question was worded, the order of the questions, the other questions before and after that question, non-response bias, etc.

        I've been through too many statistics classes to know this, and I'm sure every pol knows this better than I do.

        At the end of the day, I don't think any Senator is going to make up his/her mind as to how to vote based upon polls.  That's just not the way Supreme Court nominations work:  only 101 or 102 (assuming the VP has a say) people have a say in who gets to be the next Supreme Court Justice.

      •  In that timeframe (0+ / 0-)

        Rasmussen had her not support increase from 29 to 36%.  Which makes sense, I think usually people give the benefit of the doubt, then harden their opinions.  But the other difference is AP and the DailyKos are (I believe) polling adults while Rasmussen polls "likely voters."  But the take away lesson is that this asking if Sonoymour is racist is the wrong question to measure the success of Republican PR.

  •  If a Republican screams in the wilderness (1+ / 0-)
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    And no one is there to hear them...

    (-6.88, -6.36) Elections have consequences.

    by Tiny Wurlitzer on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:58:07 AM PDT

  •  interesting thought (0+ / 0-)

    "Do you think empathy is an important characteristic for a Supreme Court Justice to possess or not?"

    I'll wager that Alito would have scored well with that question with Republicans during his confirmation hearing.

  •  Remember when W was at 90 percent favorables? (5+ / 0-)

    I do. I couldn't fathom how I ended up in the fringiest of the fringe. But there I was. Let's all remember how quickly things can turn.

    Stephanie Dray
    of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

    by stephdray on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:59:09 AM PDT

    •  That made me nuts. (3+ / 0-)
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      SLKRR, Miss Blue, seabrook

      I couldn't believe people could read and write and vote Democratic, could possibly be so deluded, even temporarily.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:21:55 AM PDT

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  •  I'm sorry but (0+ / 0-)
    they really need to include a catergory for IQ levels.  THAT would be fascinating.

    Say "Yes" to Michigan!

    by jodygirl on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 10:59:24 AM PDT

  •  wow. this says it all. thanks kos. nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  In 2000, (0+ / 0-)

    North Carolina was already shedding jobs like fur in the fall.  Thanks to NAFTA and 'normalized' trade with China, North Carolina lost its textile jobs first. Then we lost our furniture jobs. Those two sectors alone left Catawba County with a 9+% unemployment rate at a time the rest of the nation was below 5%.  Concurrent with these developments, North Carolina experienced a dramatic and rapid influx of immigrants from Central America, most of whom did not speak English.  Got that?  So we export the jobs, and import lots of foreign workers. Stir well in stifling humid temperatures between 90 and 100. Simmer.  This is a recipe for worker insecurity, not to mention grouchiness.
    So when you talk about the south being different from the rest of the country, yeah, we're different. You shipped our jobs away first. When your computer programmer jobs started being outsourced, then zOMG! outsourcing is terrible!  

  •  I'd like to see some essay questions on WHY (1+ / 0-)
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    people think she is or isn't qualified. That would be entertaining.

    Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

    by voroki on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:05:39 AM PDT

  •  see my definitive snark diary (0+ / 0-)

    fouls, excesses and immoderate behavior are scored ZERO at Over the Line, Smokey!

    by seesdifferent on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:06:46 AM PDT

  •  Poor Manny. (0+ / 0-)

    Steele should give him lessons on betraying his race.

  •  Pass this on to NPR and Nina Totenberg (0+ / 0-)

    happiness is two kids with jobs and no more college payments

    by DtheO on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:08:49 AM PDT

  •  Why do so many Americans forget that Hispanics (0+ / 0-)

    have been a part of America since the beginning?  California, Texas, and several other western states were once part of Mexico.  To be a Hispanic is to be an American.  Why is that so hard to understand? [/random musings]

    64% of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Rush.  That's just sad.  Of course, the number of Republicans on which to draw on is getter smaller and smaller.  Coincidence?

  •  If the south is a different place, then so is the (2+ / 0-)
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    northeast, which differs from the west and midwest by about as much as the south does.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:12:03 AM PDT

  •  Where are those two black people who approve of (2+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp, Ex Real Republican

    Limbaugh? I wanna have a word with both of em.

  •  As a latino (1+ / 0-)
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    I found this both unsurprising and surprising at the same time.

    I knew that Sotomayor would sail through despite the many weeks of resistance to her candidacy. I felt it the moment I heard the the then rumor of Justice Souter's retirement and the inevitable postulating of Sotomayor as a candidate. The data provided only reinforces my thinking on that.

    What it sheds light on, and gives me much mirth, is the ineffectiveness of Rush and the other conservative bobble heads.

    It would be interesting to see how the influence of said bobble heads will continue to effect or ineffect influence. And whether the latter heralds the end of their positions.

    Inquiring minds want to know!

  •  "Empathy" is a CODE WORD (1+ / 0-)
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    That signals to Republicans, "I have no idea what it's like to put myself in another person's shoes, therefore I cannot possibly trust someone else who says they do this strange mental exercise."

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:18:38 AM PDT

    •  "Empathy" is a code word for taking whites' (0+ / 0-)

      tax dollars and giving them to black and brown people. Or giving a black, brown, or female person the promotion that should go to Mr. White Breadwinner Guy. Check out who's not down with "empathy" to figure out what it really means.

    •  Empathy is an "exotic" Code Word to freepers. (0+ / 0-)

      They don't know the definition.  They do not understand that "empathy" and "sympathy" have different meanings. what?  Just as they don't realize that to understand does not mean to agree.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:07:50 PM PDT

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  •  I would of liked to of seen how Texas (0+ / 0-)

    came out in this poll lot of Hispanic

    "I want to be in Kentucky when the end of the world comes, because it's always 20 years behind" -Mark Twain

    by vet on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:25:52 AM PDT

  •  Doesn't make sense (0+ / 0-)

    They hear what their media heroes are saying, but they can't quite square that with what their eyes and ears tell them.

    I don't understand. Since when did the hard-core base give precedence to reality over what their media heroes tell them to think?

  •  On this one, at least (0+ / 0-)

    the Northeast is as far from the mean as the South is.  I suspect that's because people in the NE are more likely to be familiar with Puerto Ricans and to understand just how you have to work to make it from the projects to the SCOTUS.

    "Unrestricted immigration is a dangerous thing -- look at what happened to the Iroquois." Garrison Keillor

    by SpiderStumbled22 on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:26:27 AM PDT

  •  Let's change this anti-southern frame: (0+ / 0-)

    instead of conceding Republican dominance that I think if fictional (quick trivia question--when did North Carolina last have a Republican governor?), it's far better to say that the south is the only region of the country where the Republican Party remains competitive. It's simply incorrect to talk about Republican dominance considering Obama's victories in Virginia, North Carolina and Florida and the near-miss in Georgia. Yes, these are only four states, but excluding Texas they are the largest states population-wise in the region.

    "It's like we weren't made for this world, But I wouldn't really want to meet someone who was." --Of Montreal

    by andydoubtless on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:27:44 AM PDT

  •  Notherners Who Moved South (1+ / 0-)
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    Assimilation and the great melting pot was said to be the unique feature that allowed for wave after wave of immigrants to prosper in America. They became American and in turn, enriched our common culture with aspects of their own. I'm wondering about the dynamic or lack of a dynamic in Georgia or Alabama or even Texas. Why is the South so different even with the influx of people from above the Mason Dixon line over the past few decades. Is The American South unlike the rest of the USA? Is it culturally immune from the ideas of it's newer residents? Is it like the "Borg", that required complete compliance and warned,"resistance is futile,you will be assimilated".My own opinion is that the blend of religious fundamentalism and romanticism and resentment over the lost cause of the civil war has kept the South linked to traditions that constrict the influence of those not born and raised in that culture. It is another America , similar in ways but not similar enough.

    •  South Carolina is hopeless (0+ / 0-)

      I live in Greenville, SC the buckle of the Bible Belt and you have no idea how red this state is. No Jewish people, very few catholics (considered liberal), zero diversity save white/black. the problem here is that there are very few white, working class democrats. The party lines almost exactly fall along racial lines. Its interesting. There is no democratic bench and because of the War Between the States, the power of the churches, the albatrosses of abortion and guns, the romanticism of the cause and racial stuff there are almost no white votes here.

      Its hopeless here; better to spend resources in the battleground areas like ohio, PA and california.

  •  I think Kentucky like most of the south (0+ / 0-)

    very religious plus the 2nd amendment;( if you look they still get in the 40%

    "I want to be in Kentucky when the end of the world comes, because it's always 20 years behind" -Mark Twain

    by vet on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:31:10 AM PDT

  •  If GOPers even cared (1+ / 0-)
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    what people thought, this would be interesting news. As is, it's just more evidence that they are idiots.

  •  Epic fail (0+ / 0-)

    Okaaaaaaaaaaay!  Sarah Palin as VP running mate, absence of any true leaders, uncoordinated attacks on anything "Dem" ... etc etc, ending with the Sotomayor debacle.  I never knew that watching the Rethuglicans implode would be so... comical.

    Karen in Austin

    Only two things that money can't buy That's true love & homegrown tomatoes -- Clark Guy

    by Wife of Bath on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:31:39 AM PDT

  •  I'm 30-44 white male Catholic (1+ / 0-)
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    and I hate the GOP as much as I hate Bin Laden, or cauliflower.  I really fucking hate cauliflower.

    Yes, GOP...I'm your target demographic and I wish you'd fucking cease to exist.

    The Republican Sociopath Party

    by The Creator on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:33:00 AM PDT

    •  That's a little over the line. (0+ / 0-)

      I don't hate the GOP as much as I hate Bin Laden.  I can distinguish between people who have good intentions but poor solutions and people who have bad intentions and are evil.  I can distinguish between people who pursue policies that have the effect of many innocent people losing their lives and people who intend to kill innocent people.

      •  The GOP did more economic (1+ / 0-)
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        damage, and otherwise, than Al Qaeda, times about a thousand.

        AQ killed three thousand people.  Fucking rotten scum.  The GOP...well, they killed an economy, killed thousands of US troops and god knows how many brown people, corporatized the judicial system against individuals, and persuaded the rest of the world to despise us.

        All the while pointing the finger at you and me.

        So yeah, fuck them, I hate 'em.

        The Republican Sociopath Party

        by The Creator on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:52:00 AM PDT

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      •  My feelings for the GOP are different (1+ / 0-)
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        than they are for Bin Laden.  I do not think I HATE anyone.
        Bin Laden saddens me, angers me.  He is not part of our collective we so I can understand him as the enemy.  My feelings for him do not hurt me.  

        The GOP has been contrived, manipulative, ignorance promoting, they have encouraged laziness, and used people who hold their faith most dear.....  I resent them and they disgrace us as humans.  
        I walked around for a long time thinking the only thing that separated us as Americans was policy disagreement.  It was not.  It was human perspective.  It was/is philosophy and principle.  They have become an enemy by pointing at me and saying enemy. I truly walk around with pride and love for what our Government System is supposed to look like.  My feeling for them hurts me.  I am patriotic, I veiw them in our collective we.  I feel betrayal.

  •  Faith in America restored (0+ / 0-)

    So good to see the majority of Americans rejecting the Limbaugh-Gingrich crap. Can't wait for the media to ignore them too.

    "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska" -- Gov. Sarah Palin

    by makemefree on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 11:33:59 AM PDT

  •  Has anyone asked this guy what this means? (1+ / 0-)
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    We’re not like African-Americans. We think just like everybody else.

    It reads as if he thinks we all know what the hell he is talking about.
    I am out of the loop.  What does he mean?

    If it means what I think it means, it is quite possibly the most racist thing I have heard since Steele assumed DL Hughely was from the streets.

    What the hell is the matter with these guys?

  •  Sotomayor and bias (0+ / 0-)

    The Right still may have some traction in the New Haven firefighters case, in which Sotomayor sided with the city in throwing out the "biased" exam that favored white candidates.  See an exclusive excerpt of the exam here:

    •  It was a unanimous decision. She did not write (0+ / 0-)

      the decision.  AND..... their job was to decide if the law had been applied correctly.  Not, to decide if the law was just.

      The only traction they can get is political traction.  BUT, this case can't keep her off of the bench.  It can only be used as a tool to disparage her.  IF WE LET IT.  It is up to us to make sure we are correcting the record of what this decision REALLY was.
      Now you know.  Pass it on.

  •  I don't think Sotomayor is racist, but.... (0+ / 0-)

    I also know that if a white guy had said he's got knowledge and experience no minority woman could match, it would have unleashed holy hell.  All during '08 people were just waiting for McCain to say Obama was somehow fundamentally unqualified so they could go nuclear on him.

    Yes, I know Alito mentioned his immigrant background, but that's apples to oranges as most current immigrants aren't old white guys.

    My basic egalitarian stance is, anything a minority can say, a white guy can say too, or it can't be said at all.  Sotomayor's statement fails that test.  I just don't like hypocrisy, even in mild forms.

    •  Huh? Sotomayor was talking specifically in regard (3+ / 0-)
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      to discrimination when she was talking about knowledge and experience. This is what often gets lost in the press and right-wing talking points.

      My frustation is that when the GOP talks about unbiased judges, their model is a white Christian guy. It's just that we think that the white Christian guy is the norm and therefore unbiased. BS.

  •  The logic behind playing the racist card? (0+ / 0-)

    Regarding Hannity, O’Reily, Rush, Malkin, et al. and their motivations for acting like wing-nuts, the Sotomayor polling provides a compelling reason.

    8% [who think she is rascist … IMHO, a clear bellwether segment of the poll] of the current US populace is probably an audience ripe for needing to hear their own opinions “intelligently” expressed by someone in the media.  8% of the US populace represents about 25 million people.  If 50% of this 8% patronizes one or more of these media personages, that’s 12.5 million.  If one of these personages has a faithful, regular audience of 2.5 million, they are media stars on cable news and/or radio [and, hence, many of them are multi-millionaires].

    IMHO, these personages are cynical capitalists.  Profiting off of those that need their worldview supported by someone in the “main stream media”.  

    When one parses it out this way, one can [should?] be scared by the long term implications to civil, fact-based, rational dialogue in the future of this republic.

  •  Are the Republicans crazy? (0+ / 0-)

    Or crazy like a fox?

    To say that Republican attacks on the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, like calling her a "racist," have been off the deep end is to understate the depth of the deep end. They've largely succeeded in making fools of themselves, in a process in which their chance of "winning" (stopping the nomination) is zero. So what are they up to?

    Some say it's just Republicans trying to appeal to their "base," at the expense of their appeal to the "middle." But I think it's more than that, specifically, a case of "the best defense is a good offense." And what do I mean by that? By all accounts, Sotomayor is a moderate, a "centrist." See SCOTUSblog for the legal analysis, or just read the words of Sotomayor herself:

    "I was dealt with on the basis of stereotypes . . . and it was painful . . . and not based on my record," she told the lawyers in New York in 1998. "I got a label because I was Hispanic and a woman and [therefore] I had to be liberal."

    I read that statement as a denial that she is a liberal (which just reinforces the facts based on her judicial record).

    So back to the Republicans. What are they up to? By putting up such a huge stink over a centrist judge like Sotomayor, they are making a preventive strike, issuing advance warning of the level of opposition they would put up if Obama dared to nominate an actual liberal, and, in so doing, trying to make sure that Obama keeps nominating people like Sotomayor, or even judges even further to the right. Based on Obama's own record, which is also that of a centrist, I frankly don't think the Republicans had that much to worry about, but they have no reason to take chances.

    Crazy? Yes, but also crazy like a fox. A little of both.

    Eli Stephens
    Left I on the News

    by elishastephens on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 12:59:53 PM PDT

  •  Bicentennial, baby (0+ / 0-)

    The 30-44 cohort is the one that came of age during the Reagan years and is the most Republican.

    I'm 32.  I was 12 when Reagan left office.  I turned 18 during the Clinton administration.  Ever since I turned 30, I've been lumped in with those that really did come of age during the Reagan years, but it doesn't really make sense; Democrats started their most recent upswing among young people starting with those born in 1975 and 1976, and we were still too young to vote when Clinton was first elected.

    It may be time to readjust the age categories.

    Civil Rights are a Renewable Resource

    by ozoozol on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:39:49 PM PDT

  •  Ignorant poll of an ignorant nation (0+ / 0-)
    I doubt more than a small percentage of Americans have even read one opinion written by Sotomayor.

    On that basis alone most are unqualified to have an opinion about her judicial views.

    This whole exercise of polling a dumb nation and then reporting it as if it's informed opinion is a charade.

    Obama used to be for single payer before he came out against it.

    by formernadervoter on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

  •  Empathy is a core progressive value (0+ / 0-)

    ...what I learned from the Sotomayor nomination is that "empathy" is a dirty word to conservatives.

    Lakoff knew.

    What impresses me about these polls is that not only do indies favor Sotomayor 2:1, but they also think empathy is an important quality in a SCOTUS justice.  I think that is a triumph of Obama's progressive framing of issues over the past two years, and fantastic news for progressives and the Democratic Party.

    Seat Senator Al Franken, for the sake of MN and the country. Harry Reid, this means you!

    by NM Ward Chair on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 02:58:03 PM PDT

  •  "Empathy is an American value" (0+ / 0-)

    No, it's an essential function of the human brain. If you lack it, you're unable to properly judge the behavior of others.

    Which makes me think that 56% of Republican lack an essential mental function.

  •  The South IS different (0+ / 0-)
    but not because it is "dominated by Republicans," but because it is dominated by the racist white majority that has dominated the South since before the Civil War.  (And a population that migrated from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party in the sixties when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.)  

    There IS a place where all the people who used to openly call themselves "Segregationists," KKK, and other overt white racists went after it became socially unpopular to defend White Supremacy in public.  The Republican Party.  

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