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This site is Markos's and he can do what he pleases with it.  If he doesn't want to change the site green, he doesn't have to change the site green.  But he should stop patronizing all of us who give a damn about the situation in Iran and want to try to figure out a way to help, and he should certainly stop comparing us to Al-Quida.

This is not your fathers Iranian revolution.  The year is not 1979.  It's also not 2008.  The protestors are not shouting death to America, they are shouting death to the dictator.  They are a group of young progressive Iranians who are not just trying to get rid of Ahmenejad, but trying to get topple the whole Islamic Regime.  And they are asking for our help.

There's a reason why most of the protest signs you see in pictures at rallies are in English.  There's a reason why a number of the opposition sites are in English.  There's a reason why Iranians are Twittering in English.

Their protests are not just about being heard in Iran.  It's about being heard across the world.  It's about informing the international community about the way the people of Iran feel.  They are doing this because they want the people of the world to help them.  They are asking us to help them spread their message, because their accounts are being suspended and their websites are being shut down.  They have called out for people of the world to protest Iranian embassies in their own countries.  While we don't have an Iranian embassy in the US, protests have be popping up across the country.  They are mostly led by Iranian ex-patriates, but whenever there are people there who are not of Iranian descent, they welcome their support with open arms (as my friends who have been have told me).

While this revolution is being fought on the street, it is also being fought on the internet like no other has before it.  This enables all of us sitting on our ass in America to help then Iranians if we choose to.  Personally, I am not going to shut up just because I'm an American.  I am going to do what I can to help the people of Iran, even if it's just in my own small way.

If you feel like I do, there are things that we have been asked to do that can help the Iranians and make a difference.  Somebody has published a full list of simple steps you can take here.  I'll highlight a few of these that I think are the most important.

  1.  The easiest and one of the most important things you can do is if you have a Twitter, to change your time zone to GMT +3:30 and your location to Tehran.  The reason for this is that security forces are searching for bloggers based off of their time zone and location searches.  The more of us that list ourselves as Iranians, the harder it is for security forces to identify legitimate Iranian bloggers.
  1.  This one requires you to be a little more web-savvy than I am, but if you have the ability to create new proxy addresses for Iranian bloggers, please do so.  You can get these proxy addresses to the bloggers by sending them privately to @stopAhmadi or @iran09, and they will get distributed discreetly to bloggers who need them.  Whatever you do, don't publicize the proxies or they will be blocked by security forces.
  1.  Continue to get the word out.  Take your lead from legitimate bloggers, and help spread good information and provide moral support.  

The protesters are relying on help from the world, and watching to see what kind of support they get.  If they are successful in achieving the reform they are looking for, I can guarantee they'll remember those who supported them along the way.  And when it comes time for diplomacy with a new Iranian regime, they'll remember it.

UPDATE:  For those of you who were asking how to set up a proxy, you can find info here. (h/t UnaSpenser)

Originally posted to ml232 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:19 PM PDT.

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  •  thank you. (7+ / 0-)

    Your first thing, about the Twitter address: may I post that on Facebook?  I don't Twit myself, but I have FB friends who do, and I'm sure they'd be happy to help.

    "I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." -- President Barack Obama, 3/24/09.

    by snootless on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:24:32 PM PDT

  •  Great suggestions... (6+ / 0-)

    Especially changing over the Twitter information... would've never thought of that, but could prove quite useful.  Thanks for the advice.

  •  Cyberwar guide: (7+ / 0-)

    The sleep of reason brings forth monsters.

    by beijingbetty on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:26:45 PM PDT

  •  Any tips on how to create proxies? (3+ / 0-)

    I have a website so I assume I can do that and I'd love to help.

    "Ambrose...Just stop it now ! Your intellect is just to overpowering and opressive for us average bloggers"

    by AmbroseBurnside on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:27:41 PM PDT

  •  Before you jump on the "green" bandwagon (6+ / 0-)

    please ask yourself these questions:

    • What do I really know about this situation? Is this stuff I actually know, or am I just repeating what the corporate media has told me?
    • What do I really know about Iran? For instance, the standard line in the west is that Iran is in economic turmoil, but since 2000, their economy has more than doubled in size in terms of purchasing power parity.
    • Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. What evidence is there that, in fact, the election was rigged?
    • If it was rigged, why were there various polls which showed Ahmedinejad up by a huge margin prior to the election?
    • You can lie to me, but don't lie to yourself - are you "helping" the Iranian people, or are you just "helping" yourself to some feel-good entertainment?


    The Obama Economic Policy: Save The Parasites, Kill The Patient | Blog: The Daily Elitist

    by TylerFromNE on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:35:11 PM PDT

    •  Or, do we want to repeat what we did in 1953? (8+ / 0-)

      If there is one country in the entire universe that should keep its distance from Iran, it's us. Obviously the diarist wasn't around in 1953. The only reason there was an Islamic revolution in 1979 was because for 26 years, we overthrew their democratically elected leader and installed our ego-maniacal dictator. If they were allowed to continue with Mohammed Mosaddeq, Iran could have been a pillar of secular western democracy. All Mosaddeq wanted to do was have Iran own their own oil. Hell, after all, it was on their land.

      Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

      by tazz on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:42:15 PM PDT

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    •  What do we know? (10+ / 0-)

      Officially, we know very little besides what the Iranian government has told us. According to those sources, the elections were fair and free, and now the country is experiencing minor demonstrations.

      However, there are some other facts that don't square with the story.

      First off, foreign journalists are being expelled from Iran. Those that are not expelled are forbidden to leave their hotel rooms. This is similar to what happened in, for example, the latest Israeli attacks in Gaza. The idea behind this is that what is happening in Iran isn't something that the government wants to be reported worldwide.

      Second off, as per 538's and others' analysis, the election was rather clearly inconsistent, at the least. It's not that Ahmadenijad's victory is unbelievable, it's some of the details. For example, a minor party candidate that won 70%+ of the vote in his home region 4 years ago now won less than 10%. Or, Iranian expatriates voted 60% for Ahmadenijad. Or, 40 million paper ballots were counted, tallied, and reported 2 hours after polls closed.

      The economy in Iran is doing comparatively well, but there are issues that the government is not addressing. For example, inflation and unemployment are both in the double digits. Ahmadenijad won in 2005, promising a better distribution of oil revenues. Instead, the revenues were concentrated in the hands of a few in Tehran, leading to a sharp increase in housing prices, much like what happened in Moscow 10 years ago. Ahmadenijad campaigned in 2009 in a "bread and circuses" style; the opposition called him the "potato", because he gave thousands of tons of the vegetable to poor people. He says it was because of a bumper crop, and the opposition begs to differ. The circuses, on the other hand, were his grandstanding foreign policy.

      Personally speaking, I am following this because I feel like I am watching something powerful and historic. This is my passion when it comes to history; seeing people fight for their freedom and try to make their own national destiny, so I'll admit selfishness on my part. That still doesn't keep me from hoping for a Berlin in 1989 rather than a Prague in 1968.

      •  Robert Fisk reports from the marches (0+ / 0-)

        He was marching with the protests and had some interesting observations of the interactions between the police and efforts to keeping the two protests from clashing.  He says they were trying to protect both sides and keep people from getting hurt. The Musavi supporters were most afraid of the basiji.

    •  get off your high horse (2+ / 0-)
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      agnostic, notwisconsin

      Have you not noticed hundreds of thousands of iranians taking to the streets and endangering their lives?
      Who gives a crap about some poll from a newspaper that has no representation in Iran.

      •  And that proves what, exactly? (2+ / 0-)
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        TylerFromNE, notwisconsin

        There were large groups of people "taking to the streets" of the U.S. in early 2003.

        But 75% of the public supported the invasion of Iraq.

        •  this is different (3+ / 0-)
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          sharman, notwisconsin, ml232

          There are heads of organization resigning, people getting shot and killed on the street, some high up have been arrested or disappeared.  Comparing it to the protests in 2003 is ridiculous.

        •  75%? Not even close (3+ / 0-)

          Days before the March 20 invasion, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll found support for the war was related to UN approval. Nearly six in 10 said they were ready for such an invasion "in the next week or two." But that support dropped off if the U.N. backing was not first obtained. If the U.N. Security Council were to reject a resolution paving the way for military action, 54% of Americans favored a U.S. invasion. And if the Bush administration didn't seek a final Security Council vote, support for a war dropped to 47%.

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Hélder Câmara

          by SLKRR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:51:16 PM PDT

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          •  How soon we forget. (0+ / 0-)

            Fortunately,  we have the nice folks at to keep records for us.

            From a series of CBS News polls taken around the time of the invasion (column headings and "disapprove/don't know" numbers stripped because it was a PITA to try to align them):

             "Do you approve or disapprove of the United States taking military action against Iraq to try to remove Saddam Hussein from power?"

            3/26-27/03      77
            3/24/03         75
            3/23/03         80
            3/22/03         76
            3/20-21/03      76
            3/15-16/03      67

            The above numbers are actually outliers:  if you look at other polls on that page,  you'll see that supportive answers tend to be a few percent lower when the question is phrased differently.  But they do show public support around 75%,  and they also show a major reason why support later dropped:  the vast majority bought the crap about it being quick and easy.  As I've been saying for years:  much of the subsequent opposition came,  not from a recognition that what we did was morally wrong,  but from disappointment that we never got the pony by Christmas.

            •  Those numbers are *after* the war started (0+ / 0-)

              Support always goes up after the bombs start falling -- no one wants to look like they want an enemy to defeat the USA.  That has nothing to do with polling before the war - at the time the largest protests were happening (and still could have, theoretically, had an effect).  

              "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Hélder Câmara

              by SLKRR on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:54:35 AM PDT

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    •  A poll with 50% undecided/didn't respond... (6+ / 0-) not worth crap, sorry.  

      The biggest evidence the election was rigged is how the government has acted post-election.  Imagine if the very night that Fox News called Florida for Bush, Gore and other prominent Democrats were put under house arrest, Gore supporters were beaten and shot in the streets, electricity and Internet connections to Florida were cut off, the press was forced to leave Florida, ballots were burned, etc.  Would that not all be extraordinary evidence?  QED.  

      As for calling it "feel-good entertainment," I've been active in both the Persian-American and Persian-Brazilian communities for over a decade, I'm married into a Persian family, my children speak Farsi... yeah, I'm just lookin' for a cheap thrill and don't give a crap about the Iranian people.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Hélder Câmara

      by SLKRR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:42:58 PM PDT

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    •  speaking of asking yourself some questions.... (4+ / 0-)
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      Wee Mama, vet, sunshineonthebay, marsanges

      Did you look at that Politico poll? Over half the people refused to respond as to how they were voting. In a country with a brutal authoritarian regime, what does that suggest?

      Evidence that it was rigged? As the Grand Ayatollah put in his letter, it is unprecedented that candidates do not win their hometowns, much less, lose them by 2-to-1 margins.

      If it was a clean win, why did Ahmadinejad need to shut down all communications before announcing results? Why did Khameini make an illegal pronouncement prior to the 3-day waiting period? Why weren't any representatives of the opposing candidates allowed to be at the counting?

      There is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant a lot of suspicion. You don't have to silence people if you've won fair and square. You simply count the votes out in the open.

  •  Tipped and recced for useful things to do to help (11+ / 0-)

    Markos didn't compare US protest sympathizers with Al-Queada though.  He was saying that the Iranian establishment would use any endorsement by Obama as evidence that the prostesters are American backed meddlers and are anti-Iran.  And he's correct in that regard.

    Markos most certainly never compared any diartist to Al Queada.

    That being said, good diary and if anyone can show me how to set up a proxy server I'd be happy to do that.  Hell, I think I'm going to get a twitter account and set my location to Tehran!

    "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

    by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:38:34 PM PDT

  •  From aggregaqtor extraoidinare Nico Pitney (4+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, Ice Blue, axel000, Olon

    5:12 PM ET -- Twitter goes dark. Lots of you are emailing, but I don't think it's anything sinister. Part of Twitter's agreement from yesterday was to time their maintenance work for late at night (in Iran) when many people there would be asleep. It's almost 1am in Iran right now, so I guess Twitter chose to do their work today.

  •  Which Iranians Asked for the US to Help? (1+ / 0-)
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    You got a link? An engraved invitation?

    Or did you just mean we, the little people, should twitter away?

    Because everything the US touches in the Middle East turns to shit. I don't want to give anyone any ideas.

  •  Good for our State Department! (6+ / 0-)

    From yesterday, when Twitter was about to shut down for maintenance:

    US asks Twitter to maintain service after Iran vote: official


    The US government asked Twitter to delay maintenance plans in order to allow Iranians to communicate while their government banned other media following elections, a US official said Tuesday.

    The official said the State Department had asked the social networking firm to delay shutting down its service to "highlight to them that this was an important means of communications... in Iran."

  •  Well to paraphrase Obama.....appearances (1+ / 0-)
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    appearances, appearances. Mustn't be seen as "meddlin'" Nope, that would never do unless it was Israeli affairs.

    A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

    by Doodad on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 02:44:06 PM PDT

    •  obama is right (1+ / 0-)
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      Coming out in support of protestors will only give Admadi ammo against them by labeling them as tools of the CIA.

      •  He may well be right I'm not (0+ / 0-)

        arguing that but suggest that Dinnerjacket will label the revolutionaries as tools of the CIA or someone ANYWAY. He probably will now that Obama has made the meddlin statement anyway. But you can't meddle one place and say not to in another and not get zinged and you can bet he is going to get zinged on this when he didn't have to. A faux pas on his part or by one of his advisers.

        A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

        by Doodad on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:35:54 PM PDT

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        •  israel is different (2+ / 0-)
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          sharman, Doodad

          We are expected to "meddle" because we consider ourselves their BFFs.  On the other hand, it is no secret that we are foes with the Iranian regime.
          There is a difference between being stern with your friends, and meddling in the affairs of your foes.

          •  I appreciate the concept just saying (0+ / 0-)

            Obama needs to consider the fact that his words mean something and he has opened himself up for criticism needlessly with those words at this time. Now if the anti-Obamanuts DON"T seize on this I take it all back.

            A day without sunshine is like, you know, night.

            by Doodad on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:47:33 PM PDT

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            •  they have already seized (0+ / 0-)

              Suddenly all the bomb bomb Iran people care about Iranians and want Obama to get involved.  They're too stupid to realize that it would damage the situation even more if we are seen as being behind the uprising.
              I don't care if Hannity and Cantor get their panties in a bunch over Obama's measured handling of this.  ^(^(&(*&()*)*) them.

    •  Grumble away if you want, (1+ / 0-)
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      Ice Blue

      But it was the right call. Keep a few things in mind.

      1. Iran's government has control over the communications of the country. They can edit an Obama statement to lose its appeal or to gain a threatening tone. If Obama says something, there's a good chance it won't be the same when it reaches the Iranians.
      1. The worst-case scenario is if the government sends the military in to suppress the protesters, and the 2009 Iranian revolt will end the same way as a half-dozen revolts in Cold War-era Eastern Europe; protests and demonstrations, and then the tanks roll in. What would the Iranian government's reaction to Obama allying himself with the protesters?
      1. Obama's right that the Iranians need to fight for freedom and win it themselves. Insert Jefferson quote about the Tree of Liberty being watered by the blood of patriots. This is the sort of thing he had in mind, and no, it's not a warm and fuzzy metaphor.
      1. This has nothing to do with Israel. This is about Iran's people fighting for their right to help decide how they are governed.
    •  Given: Netanyahu likes to stir up shit. (1+ / 0-)
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      If Obama can make him think twice before doing something stupid, like bombing Iran's nuclear facilities, I say, more power to him.  

      A jackass can kick down a barn but it takes a carpenter to build one.--Sam Rayburn (D-TX)

      by Ice Blue on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 05:23:31 PM PDT

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  •  Markos is an isolationist down to the bone (0+ / 0-)

    double plus ungood.

  •  how to set up a proxy (2+ / 0-)
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    thebluecrayon, ml232

    go to this site, pick the link for you system and follow the steps:

  •  All photos of abuses banned by Iranian gov (1+ / 0-)
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    In a statement, Iran's leader has stated international media can no longer broadcast or provide photos of events that could enrage foreigners.   The leader stated "my first obligation is to my troops and clearly these photos and videos will put their lives on danger. ".  

    In related news, the Iranian parlimeny introduced a bill into parliament and stated they are willing to bring all legislative activity to a halt until all media broadcasts out of the country are halted.  

    Supporters in the blogosphere agreed, stating "what will the victims of these abuses think.  Their families should at least be notified before the images of abuse are broadcast". Some states they simply could not understand why those asking for the pictures to be shown could be so callous as to not think of the victims.

    "Rules must be binding. Violations must be punished. Words must mean something." - President Barack Obama, April 5, 2009

    by justmy2 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:16:31 PM PDT

  •  grammar grammar grammar. (1+ / 0-)
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    loose teh unnecessary '

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:33:40 PM PDT

  •  Everyone makes mistakes (2+ / 0-)
    My humble two cents is that everyone is entitled to make a mistake.  This is KOS'.  

    The majority of this site is a good thing that spurs interest and participation in our communities.  Like many others, I believe in a world community too.  I am sure KOS does too, he just is young and may not see it the way some of us do.

    Am I disappointed that my favorite political site has closed a door because it's too afraid of being like people "who slap on 'Support the Troops' stickers on their cars"? (by the way, as a former "troop" I actually appreciate those stickers)  Anyway, am I disappointed?  Yes, I am.  However, cut KOS some slack.  Nobody gets everything right.

    •  I don't even think it's a "mistake" (0+ / 0-)

      The blog is his to do with as he pleases.  As it is, he's providing a place where thousands have been able to follow these events over the past few days, and that's a lot more of a concrete action than changing a background color.  

      If you want a green blog, make your own.  

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Hélder Câmara

      by SLKRR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:46:49 PM PDT

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  •  Does changing twitter settings do anything? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not a twitterer, but I read earlier that changing the regional settings doesn't actually do anything.  If anyone can confirm or deny, I'd appreciate it.

    As for setting up proxies - go for it!

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Hélder Câmara

    by SLKRR on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 03:44:42 PM PDT

  •  Mr Mousavi isn't exactly all sweetness and light (0+ / 0-)

    Sure, he appears to be better than the holocaust denying M.A but here's what Mousavi said about how M.A dealt with the British sailors who ended up in Iranian territory.

    Mousavi on Ahmadinejad’s foreign policy:

    "You know, the release of the British marines. You know, the marines invaded or encroached upon Iranian waters and then the forces arrested them. It was a great job and should be acknowledged indeed. But, immediately on the basis of the framework I mentioned, in the first place we said that we have to execute them. Why did they have encroached on Iranian territory or waters? And we created a crisis and then we decided to give them suits to wear, and then our president whose status doesn’t belongs to himself, it belongs to the people, it belongs to you, and then he went there and sold them off and said goodbye to them and then arranged a ceremony that we don’t even organize for the heads of other countries.

    That sounds disturbing like someone who wanted to murder the British sailors to me.

    •  this is not about an individual (0+ / 0-)

      Don't make Iran to be about Admadi or Mousavi (see making Iraq about Saddam).  This is about a democratic right that has been trampled.

    •  Mousavi is an impressive person, (1+ / 0-)
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      what do you expect? Iranian leaders are going to turn around and say, "Oh, sorry we were just kidding with all that anti-Western stuff, we really did not have a case we were just blowhards." Those British sailors were in Iranian waters, just as there have been numerous ignored incursion on the Iran/Iraq border.

      No, he did not want to murder British sailors--he was making the point that if you are going to take them for what they are doing, you don't send them off with a party--you make the British government admit, at the least that they were in Iranian waters--GPS confirmed it BTW, and you don't just take them and let them off--if that's what you planned to do then you never should have taken them. That is what he meant.

      Should a potential leader of Iran not stand up for his country? The US is the nation with massive armies on two of Iran's borders.

      You may find yourself in a beautiful house with a beautiful wife and you may ask yourself, "How did I get here?"

      by FrankCornish on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:06:43 PM PDT

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  •  Proxy (0+ / 0-)

    I cannot DM @stopAhmadi or @iran09 via twitter. Does anyone know of an alternate way to relay proxy info?

  •  a conundrum, to be fair. (0+ / 0-)

    our site's owner, Kos, has spent a lot of time and effort herding cats and other excess felines, turning this place into a meeting ground for liberals and moderates, intent on fixing our country's woes. Between the netroots conventions, the high quality writing and analysis we almost always see here, and the growing sense of gravitas that dKOS begins to show, I totally agree with his decision NOT to reflexively make a silly color statement simply because some emotional folks thought it might be a good idea.

    That kind of behavior is simply not acceptable from a mature, growing and viable entity like dKOS.

    And I also agree that dKOS does have some responsibility to support, to organize, and to do everything appropriate (Note the careful choice of words) to help out the Iranian people.  Appropriate does not mean something silly like yellow ribbons on trees, or bumper stickers or flag pins, etc. While those silly steps may make the actor feel better for 0.0000314159 nanoseconds, they do absolutely nothing for the Iranians risking life and limb for more freedom.

    No, there are much better steps we can take.

    a) research the true history of Iran v. US, and make sure that our MSM, our pols, and our members know it and know it well.
    (knowledge is power, and wrong knowledge easily destroys our progress)

    b) call (and respond to) every GOPer who lies, cheats, misstates, or uses the current chaos in Iran as an excuse to attack Obama. Write LTTE, call cable news, and mail and e-mail CQ, Politico, and others to make sure the GOPers pulling shit at such a sensitive time are embarrassed by their gamesmanshit.

    c) write here and elsewhere, with the latest knowledge giving us all options of how the news can keep flowing and how we can let Iranians know that we are behind them as a people.

    d) other.

    As for (D), there are many brighter and more knowledgeable people here that can offer even more suggestions.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 04:24:16 PM PDT

  •  What Markos said. (0+ / 0-)

    No, I'm not turning this site green. As someone who actually grew up in another country, I know first hand the resentment created by heavy-handed American meddling. What's happening in Iran is an internal battle, and it's theirs to fight and sort out. If turning the site green would help, then perhaps, but it'd merely feed that narcissistic desire some people have to "do" something. Hackers creating proxies for Iranians to bypass their nation's internet censors? THAT'S doing something tangible and of great value. Keeping on top of the story in the diaries? That's good stuff. But changing a site to the color green?

    The first bolded part is obvious to anyone who has ever spent time abroad.

    The second part sounds familiar:

    This one requires you to be a little more web-savvy than I am, but if you have the ability to create new proxy addresses for Iranian bloggers, please do so.  You can get these proxy addresses to the bloggers by sending them privately to @stopAhmadi or @iran09, and they will get distributed discreetly to bloggers who need them.  Whatever you do, don't publicize the proxies or they will be blocked by security forces.

    Obviously who ever wrote that is just as much of an idiot as Markos is.

    Oh wait.

    •  actually a lot of us have lived abroad (0+ / 0-)

      People of the world showing solidarity is not heavy-handed meddling by the US govt.  Big effing difference that obviously is lost on Markos.

      •  Right! People LOVE it when (1+ / 0-)
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        we tell them what to do. Especially those countries we've spent the last 30 years calling evil.

        Too bad we didn't elect John McCain,

        @jaketapper no prediction, but if we are steadfast eventually the Iranian people will prevail. But this regime has tight control.

        that man is a genious when it comes to foreign policy.

        As Obsidian Wings said:

        ...However, those that want war will be beating the drums with new-found verve, and they will seize on the violent crackdown on Iranian protesters to erect an ersatz edifice with the counterfeit label, "moral high ground."  The same people that have been "hop[ing] and pray[ing]" that the US will bomb Iran (almost inevitably leading to tens of thousands of civilian deaths, and likely more if and when the conflict escalates) are now wrapping themselves in the [insert color] flag of solidarity with those same Iranian people (to be killed at a later date) while bemoaning the uncaring nihilism of the "feckless" left.  That would be all of us that don't want to turn Iran into a glass parking lot.  How callous of us....

        The more we scream, the more they get to use us as foils against the very people you want to help. The more we call them "The Axis Of Evil," the more ammo we give aquadinnerjacket.

        •  we're not telling anyone what to do (0+ / 0-)

          Do you even know what's going on?  Do you understand the meaning of showing solidarity?

          •  I've lived abroad. So what? (1+ / 0-)
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            Showing solidarity - that is, the regular folk symbolically saying, "we're rooting for you" - is definitely welcome. I was in England when the Polish solidarity movement was happening, and it was beautiful to see the marches in support of the movement. The Poles who I have met later, have always stated that it meant a lot to them to know that people around the world cared.

            Markos is not an official of the U.S. government. Making it known that he is in support of the Iranian people calling for a fair election is not anything like the U.S. telling Iran what to do.

            The idea that it doesn't help because it isn't "concrete enough" is ridiculous. Moral support is always helpful. Ask anyone who's had to go through chemo-therapy. Your friends may not be able to do anything, but knowing they are there helps support your fighting spirit. As someone waiting for critical health care treatment myself, I can attest to how important it is to my outlook to have friends express their support.

            What the people of Iran who want change are trying to say is that they are not as hostile to us as the Regime and the older generation. While their version of "progressive" may not be ours, they are interested in building some bridges. Knowing that we're over here extending stanchions on our shores gives them encouragement.

            He can do what he wants, obviously. As someone who doesn't like bumper stickers, I can respect him simply not liking the "green" idea. It would be more intellectually honest to say, "I hate things like yellow ribbons and green web sites," than to justify it with high-minded excuses that don't really add up.

    •  He has a good point (0+ / 0-)

      IF the US "supports" one candidate too much or gives the appearance that Mousavi is receiving US support that will probably undermine him.

  •  I think a lot of well-meaning people have been (1+ / 0-)
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    mislead by the media.  Already, stories are coming out about how polls show that Ahmejinedad did, in fact, have a lead; and also about the demonization of Iran to precede a possible war.

    Last year Seymour Hersh predicted that if Obama won the election, the Bush Admin. would go to war with Iran.  Usually, Sy Hersh is right; in this case, he may have only been partially right.  But I hesitate to say he was completely wrong.

    •  those polls have been debunked (0+ / 0-)

      if you look at them, over 50% of the respondents refused to state who they would vote for. With a brutal authoritarian regime in place, what does that indicate.

      They took the percentages of off of those who did respond. Rendering them meaningless.

      As the Grand Ayatollah stated in his letter, it is unprecedented that candidates lose their hometowns. Never has happened before. And suddenly, every candidate but Ahmadinejad loses their hometown by a 2-to-1 margin? And suddenly, 80% of those registered to the opposition parties voted for Ahmadinejad.

      Things don't add up. High-ranking clerics are coming out and saying so. There is a lot of reason to believe that this election was rigged.

      Why else cut off all communication before announcing the outcome, said announcement being phenomenally early. And illegally pronounced before the 3-day waiting period.

      If it walks like a duck....

  •  Diarist - please add update - video call for help (0+ / 0-)

    From Iranian freedom protestors :

    Government for the people, by the people

    by axel000 on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 05:35:54 PM PDT

  •  You can add a green icon (0+ / 0-)

    to your twitter and facebook profiles - I've seen a lot of that as a show of solidarity with the people of Iran.  Here's a link to make a green webicon like this:
    Not much, maybe, but a public statement.

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