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I don't know if you knew this, but the United States Postal Service is not run by the
government.  It is sort of a privately owned entity, and must survive on sales and
service, just like a private company.

I asked my postal clerk when this change had happened, and she indicated it has been
that way for a couple of years.  You hear alot of bitching about socialism but sending
a letter for 44 cents is a pretty good deal. Although Linda(she is the gal at the Post
Office) told me that sales were down because people pay their bills online or
auto pay.

Here is how you can help keep USPS going.

How many of you get pre-approved credit card offers in the mail. I get an average of one
a week, this has been going on for about 2 years. I even had a diary about all the fake
credit cards I saved, and how I wanted to do some sort of Art piece out of them.  I got some
good ideas, maybe a landscape, someone suggested cutting them up, and raising the
picture, cool. I will admit the flow of fake cards has slowed down, but I still get them, now
maybe once a month. It is crazy, but the thing is, each one comes with a pre-paid
envelope.  Oh yeah.....

OK, back to this comment I read. You can take the pre-paid envelope and attach it to
a box and mail it back to the respective parisite..ooops I mean bank.  I like to
mail useless catalogs I get sent for my business.  Or even bricks are ok. Just stay
away from anything that could be considered dangerous. like sand or rocks, honestly I
don't know how that can be confused as threatening, but these are banks. They
are probably a bit tense these days.

A broken blender has been suggested, or old broken kids toys, something Heavy.
Make sure there are no return addresses, that way they are stuck paying the extra
postage.  I recently mailed 25lbs worth of magazines to Bank of America. Hope
they enjoyed that pool supply catalog. Now I feel much less guilty about throwing away
reams of paper because companies insist on mailing 10lb catalogs of every bolt
invented by man.

So USPS is getting some business, and Bank of America is being forced to
pay fees, just like they do to every card holder ever unlucky enough to
have used their services.  No bad feelings, just helping the Local Post
office and the delivery folks and the economy. It's the least we can do.

They have this great one size box deal going now, so if you do ship packages
alot you should check out your local Post Office, they need the busness too.
And in the end, shipping the pre-paid 50lb package back to the credit
card company, the feeling you get, besides the smile.. Priceless..

OK,  maybe my boxes may not make it to their intended destination. But maybe
they will, although it seems unlikely from comments, and actual research. oops
And I really wanted to put it too Bank of America. I would like to think my packages
made it, because I have done alot of ebay, and shipped alot of stuff, but
I think they are wise to me. ....

Originally posted to sharistuff on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:19 PM PDT.

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  •  Made me think of an old friend... (7+ / 0-)

    who used to take all the junk that came with his utility bills and mail it all back to them when he sent in his check. The electric company finally threatened to turn off his electricity if didn't stop.

    I've actually been supporting USPS, but not having quite as much fun. I'm in Hawaii and getting anything shipped here use to cost $25. It didn't matter if it was a $2 light bulb, UPS shipping was $25. Now I'm seeing that many online vendors are offering shipping via USPS. I use it everytime I can. Now it only cost about $5 to get that 2$ light bulb!

    Attention Waxman Staffers! Clean up on aisle 1600! huttotex 3/27/07

    by reflectionsv37 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:27:55 PM PDT

  •  I don't think USPS will send the box that you (3+ / 0-)
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    trashablanca, janmtairy, Munchkn

    attach the pre-paid envelope too. I have a feeling there's got to be some kind of regulation or understanding (or dollar limit) on this.

    Have you successfully done it?

    I like your spirit though! :)

    The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

    by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:29:37 PM PDT

      •  As I suspected - It won't work. (2+ / 0-)
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        trashablanca, Munchkn

        At least according to this source. And they sound convincing.


        I would still like to hear the diarist's answer - if s/he's had success.

        The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

        by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:45:26 PM PDT

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      •  oh cecil (1+ / 0-)
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        I have been implored to convey to the Teeming Millions the following message: putting bricks in the mail could bring American civilization to its knees.

        good stuff - thanks for the link!

        -9.38/-8.26 "The best leaders...are not interested in having their own way but in finding the best way." -Wilfred Peterson

        by cats in the curry on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:47:53 PM PDT

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    •  I did mail several but don't know (2+ / 0-)
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      Youffraita, Munchkn

      if they made it to their destination. I think they probably
      did, considering all the amazon or newegg returns, the postal clerk
      probably don't even read the addresses on the envelope which looks more
      like a mailing label.

      others, I would just stuff as much junk mail as I could get
      into the envelope provided.

      •  I think they probably didn't (2+ / 0-)
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        raster44, Munchkn

        The postal clerk probably don't even read the addresses scenario is a bit of red herring, I'd wager.

        Amazon (or whoever it is) probably has a way to protest those charges from the USPS and get a credit to their pre-paid account, since USPS would have violated the terms of the agreement with the merchant.

        So in that case, the USPS would lose money due to the actions you're promoting.

        It's probably not the best idea to promote something in a diary that you're not even sure works.

        The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

        by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 06:45:34 PM PDT

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        •  amazon provides return labels if it is their (3+ / 0-)
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          raster44, BentLiberal, Munchkn

          screw-up, but yeah I think you are right. I did update the title, and
          at the end I admit not really sure this is such a good idea.
          catch you on the flip side

          •  No worries (2+ / 0-)
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            Munchkn, sharistuff

            I still like your spirit, lol.

            The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

            by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:55:30 PM PDT

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          •  First sensible thing you've said! (2+ / 0-)
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            ChocolateChris, Munchkn

            I'll recommend you for that! Don't do battle with an entity that makes the rules and enforces them.

            I remember my buddy who wanted to go with a blaze of glory on the last day of classes in high school. He backed up to the flag pole in front of the school and laid a strip of rubber all the way to the street on the concrete. He spent the next week cleaning it off with a toothbrush and his fingernails on his hands and knees. He remembers that for..well..ever. I'll bring it up when I see him, but not in front of anyone. See, he is sort of like retired from the local police force after over 30 years service.

            Amazing the Time I waste Here!

            by raster44 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 09:00:34 PM PDT

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      •  Ever hear of bar codes? (1+ / 0-)
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        Look at the return label. Do you know what all those bars and numbers stand for? There are several of them on the return envelope. One could be your code with the mailer. Ever notice how postal people all have these little scanners, even your mail carrier. It records a lot of info and is downloaded to a central clearing house every night. Their a banks of them at every office. At the post office window when he scans your piece of mail if it has a bar code. They are all linked to a central terminal.

        Amazing the Time I waste Here!

        by raster44 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 08:49:26 PM PDT

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  •  or they could just stop (1+ / 0-)
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    giving junk mailers insane discounts that make it cost effective to bombard us with their shit. tehre was even an SNL skit you should dig up, about how bulk mailers pay a one time fee equal to the fee for one mailing even if they mail out thousands.

    Of course we will have Fascism in America, but we will call it Democracy. - Senator Huey Long

    by Marcion on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:31:40 PM PDT

    •  Yes, this is a huge peeve of mine. Few people (0+ / 0-)

      realize that it is our first class mail that is actually subsidizing the junk mail -- in particular those weekly circulars with the "lost child" card included.  The story goes that one of the big junk mail industry execs was good friends with Reagan and got him to push through the pricing and regulations benefitting junk mailers in the early 1980's.

      The USPS should charge junk mailers for the true cost of sending the stuff.  In addition, the USPS should provide the means for postal customers to opt out of all junk mail.  We should be able to tell the USPS that anything sent to our address with no name or the name "resident" on it should not be delivered.  The end result of these policy improvements would be (a) less landfill waste due to crappy junk mail that wasn't even opened, (b) a leaner USPS focused on delivering first class mail, not junk mail, and (c) a less cluttered mailbox for recipients.

  •  actually US postage is not that great a deal (3+ / 0-)
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    trashablanca, Youffraita, janmtairy

    If you compare the minimum wage with postage in other countries, you see that you have to work longer to send a letter here than in lots of other places - and we get no health coverage either.

    The whole privatization thing was a really unfortunate idea, as privatization plans generally are.

  •  I was under the impression... (1+ / 0-)
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    That the USPS is owned by the people of the United States (formally under ownership by the US government).  And that the USPS operates semi-autonomously like the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA).

  •  The USPS charges more and more for less & less... (0+ / 0-)

    When I was growing up, mail was delivered to my front door or the lobby of my apartment. Since then, I have had to walk down the street to a kiosk for my mail. So, the USPS gets no support from me.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 05:46:56 PM PDT

    •  service is a thing of the past (1+ / 0-)
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      I live in the country and every few years some teenager
      creams my mailbox, now I have a big pole in front of it to
      protect it from destruction.

      •  Our post office delivers to all of two towns (1+ / 0-)
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        and a city with some curbside delivery. All three provide replacement of mail boxes for free if the snowplows knock them down in the Winter. They are pretty good about it and they are usually replaced in a couple of days with no charge to the homeowner. I believe that your homeowners policy would cover malicious destruction or an accident to your mailbox. And you created a hazard when you placed that pole there but those are just local building codes not postal regulations. Mailboxes are meant to be sheared off when hit by a car to minimize damage to the car.

        Amazing the Time I waste Here!

        by raster44 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 10:43:37 PM PDT

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      •  That, of course, is not the fault of the USPS (0+ / 0-)

        Those damn kids are the ones responsible.

    •  Ask the developer of where your home (1+ / 0-)
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      was built. He was the one who determined how the mail would be delivered when he applied for the permits to the city or town where you live. Those cluster boxes are his or your homeowners association. They don't belong to the USPS. You've got a gripe with the wrong party!

      Amazing the Time I waste Here!

      by raster44 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 10:08:43 PM PDT

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      •  Why did the developer do something (0+ / 0-)

        this incredibly stupid? Why did he think I would rather walk through Michigan snow than have mail delivered to my front door. I do not believe he made this decision without other considerations (maybe to obey USPS rules). It just doesn't make any sense.

        I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

        by shann on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 02:30:28 AM PDT

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  •  Killing two birds department (3+ / 0-)
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    BentLiberal, Munchkn, sharistuff

    The USPS can start mailing people. Seriously, this is genious: if it's by the pound, think of how much money they'll make off typical Americans! And I'm sure a lot of citizens would appreciate being crammed into a cold, possibly airless box for a three-hour flight... when the alternative is what the airlines are offering these days. Bonus: pre-packaged individuals don't have to deal with TSA goons! Everybody wins! (Well, I guess there was that really twisted Velvet Underground song. Still, now I'm contemplating shipping myself to Netroots Nation! Anybody willing to come claim me at the PO?)

  •  I like USPS. (3+ / 0-)
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    shmuelman, janmtairy, Munchkn

    The offices are easy to get to, the people are friendly, and the service is good.  Granted, I don't do any heavy-duty shipping, but for my time, needs, and money, the Post Office is the best.

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 06:07:46 PM PDT

    •  Where do you live???? I'm betting flyover country (2+ / 0-)
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      I get exactly none of this at my post office.  

      Leave it all on the road. Make the Republican Party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

      by janmtairy on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 06:18:21 PM PDT

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      •  Ding! Ding! Ding! (5+ / 0-)

        Although I live in a fairly large metro area, it is in flyover country - Iowa, to be exact.  To be fair, the nice employees weren't always a given.  In fact, they got a lot nicer when they got serious competition from UPS and FedEx.  I'd go there even if they weren't nice because I don't like spending on gas to get to UPS, which is nearly in the next county.

        -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

        by luckylizard on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:51:47 PM PDT

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        •  I thought everyone in Iowa was friendly (2+ / 0-)
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          regardless of where they worked. :)
          •  Uh, mostly we're friendly. (2+ / 0-)
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            janmtairy, emilysdad

            I can be as nasty a b*tch as the next woman if I'm pushed to the limit :-)  

            A fair and more accurate characterization of us might be the "live and let live" one that was mentioned after the Court ruling on gay marriage.  Most of us just don't want to run other people's lives.  That includes not wanting to make others unhappy for no reason.

            I know it's hard to believe, but I've had encounters with DMV (for my driver's license) and the county treasurer (for car tags) that have included giggling.  I almost always crack some joke about being old or irresponsible (I'm always late to get my tags), and I smile at people who have the crappy job of serving the public.  It's really hard for them to be totally shitty when I'm smiling at them....

            -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

            by luckylizard on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 02:43:23 AM PDT

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    •  Never have failed me either <n/t> (2+ / 0-)
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      luckylizard, Munchkn

      "America - The land where no one is allowed to mind his own business." William S Burroughs

      by shmuelman on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 07:04:23 PM PDT

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  •  I only comment on DK once every three months. (4+ / 0-)

    The rest of the time I snail-mail my comments in to Kos and he has either Meteor Blades or Droogie post them for me whenever they have some spare time. Love that USPS.

  •  Suggestion: Forget about what you are proposing (3+ / 0-)
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    Munchkn, emilysdad, Miggles

    First: The Postal Reorganization Act of 1970 took the USPS out of the hands of Congress and basically made a separate entity. The USPS (semi-autonomous organization) is managed by the U.S. postal board of governors, headed by the Postmaster General. It provides its own revenues and receives NO money from the US Treasury.

    First of all Business Reply Envelopes can only be sent as is. Stuff them with what ever you want but they must be mailable as one contained piece of mail. You can not attach it to another envelope or parcel. It will not fly. All these questionable pieces of mail are sent to a regional clearing house for processing or destruction. If they find something amiss with the article of mailing, these items are delivered to the US Postal Inspection Service for proper handling. Anything enclosed have your name - address - fingerprints on it. Would they consider you mailing this parcel fraud. Remember that at the end of every regulation in the Domestic Mail Manual there is a little notation that if you are found to have not complied that you could be subject to a penalty like $1000 fine and/or one year in Federal prison.

    Do you really want the Postal Inspectors looking at your payback for getting some junk mail? It would probably take them less than a day to find some little something that could cause you some personal inconvenience. In other words, they can make your life a living hell.

    Amazing the Time I waste Here!

    by raster44 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 08:22:30 PM PDT

  •  I once saw one of those prepaid cards (0+ / 0-)

    that warned that senders of blank cards would be prosecuted.

    •  No, the empty business reply envelopes (1+ / 0-)
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      would not be charged to the account. We would just mark them down as empty returns and return to the mailer. The large business reply accounts would get two or three a day out of 500-1000 pieces. Sometimes the bulk pieces of mail would get torn open in the sorting machines and would work their way into the first class mail and get returned by the machines. Once I got about 300 returns over the period of a week and I called the BRM account owner to discuss with his mailer why all the envelopes were getting loose in the mail. Answer, they weren't being sealed properly when assembled. The replies gradually came back to normal.

      Our own bulk mailers would mail out 50,000 to 250,000 pieces a day. The post office has employees who work on site and expedite the mailings. I worked for the USPS at the mailer who sent out the old TV Guides for a few months back in the 80's. Building a block wide and three blocks long that printed and mailed out most of the major magazines to the East coast. Quite an operation. Must get George's father Frank Costanza his TV Guide on time.

      Amazing the Time I waste Here!

      by raster44 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 at 11:18:29 PM PDT

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  •  The humorist Roy Blount had an idea (0+ / 0-)

    to help the Postal Service out. It was in an essay in Not Exactly What I Had in Mind. He suggested that everyone buy a whole bunch of stamps and just throw them out  -income for the USPS, but no expenditure.

    I thought it was a scathingly brilliant idea.

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