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It would be as if Denzel or Wesley Snipes came out played Ol’ Step ‘n’ Fetch in a minstrel show movie.  Can you imagine it?  Of course you can’t; African Americans now play strong, intelligent, commanding roles in countless films and television shows and advertisements.

So why are Adam Sandler, Seth Rogen, Jason Schwartzman, and Jonah Hill playing insulting and demeaning cartoons of every Jewish male stereotype that’s out there?

We had the misfortune of seeing "Funny People" last night.  We had no idea what the movie was about when we went in (arriving late to try to squeeze in a movie – any movie – after a late dinner.)  We had no idea we’d be treated to 146 minutes of every offensive Jewish stereotype out there, including:

The charming messages that scratch any Jewish guy and you’ll find a homo (the obsession of the characters on cock width, length, and rubbing cocks together is just the start.  Oh yeah, and those are the actual words used in the movie.);

Portrayals of Jewish roommates as back-stabbing, conniving, mammon-worshiping sociopaths that will sell their friends or family out at the drop of a hat;

The calling of a Swedish doctor with a German accent a "Nazi."  Yes, a Nazi;

This is just as much as I can stomach to write.  There’s much more.

Oh yeah, and let’s not forget the sexist misogyny everywhere in the film.  In the first few minutes of the film we are treated to hearing one actor refer to his partner as "his bitch."  It gets worse.

How does a piece of shit like this get made, and how can a group of Jews in Hollywood today revel so much in producing a piece of shit that MAKES A POINT to reaffirm nearly every stereotype out there of the hateful-manipulative-closet gay-Jewish male-posing-as-a-hetreo-and-without-one-moral-or-value?

Oh, and it’s not "ironic" (if only it were!) in its "humor"; this is flat-out an embarrassment to Jews and particularly Jewish men everywhere.

Originally posted to jeihesser on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:07 PM PDT.

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  •  just out of curiosity (7+ / 0-)

    do you like any standup comedy at all? ..self-directed ethnic humor is a big part of the genre.  It seems to me you'd be pretty shocked by any of the specials on Comedy Central.  

  •  Have you not seen (8+ / 0-)

    any of Judd Apatows movies before, it's all pretty much par for the course.

    If there is any justice in this world, there will never be an aircraft carrier named after George W. Bush.

    by Drewid on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:12:17 PM PDT

    •  No way (3+ / 0-)
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      Drewid, Larin, jeihesser

      I like most of his movies, as does my boyfriend, which is why we went to see this.

      This was just absolutely terrible. And very not funny. The only funny scene was with Eminem.

      •  haven't seen it (1+ / 0-)
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        capelza

        but all his other movies feature pretty sophmoric comedy, did this one just go too far?

        If there is any justice in this world, there will never be an aircraft carrier named after George W. Bush.

        by Drewid on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:27:53 PM PDT

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        •  It wasn't that it went to far (3+ / 0-)
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          It was that it was not funny. Like, in the preview, where she's mocking Bana's Australian accent, it seems like it's going to be a funny scene, but in the movie, it comes out of nowhere and it's not the least bit funny.

          The movie is just a bunch of mostly unlikeable people whose sense of humor is completely lacking in any cleverness.

          Do you remember the Eddie Murphy routine in Raw where he talks about the GI Joe wanting to find out where the bubbles are coming from? That is terribly crude and over the top, but it's funny.

          This was just stupid. Like in one scene they are discussing what might be a funny joke and Seth Rogan says he was thinking about doing a joke about his grandfather thinking he was tit-fucking his grandmother but in actuality he's just doing it to his own balls...and Sandler and Rogan think this is a funny joke.

          I just don't get the humor.

          Beyond that, the movie never really commits to a theme. It just wanders all over the place.

        •  it's not really a comedy film (2+ / 0-)
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          capelza, pgm 01

          according to the SF Chronicle review, it's pretty dark. They liked it, though.

    •  Was "Superbad" one of his? (2+ / 0-)
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      pgm 01, Drewid

      It was like some manual for life for the boys for a while..at least it came up in conversation everyday.  I finally watched it. Meh.

      Of course, "Caddyshack" was the same for my age set, that and Hunter s Thompson, so we don't have thatmuch room to sneer.  :)

  •  Hm... (8+ / 0-)

    I think you're willing to see stereotypes where none are intended. I don't believe that was the writer/director's intention. Perhaps you need to take a deep breath.

  •  Leslie Snipes? n.t (8+ / 0-)

    I don't have a sig line.

    by NMDad on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:14:03 PM PDT

  •  Jews can make tacky movies (6+ / 0-)

    like anyone else.  That's America.

    They "prefer an America where parents will lie awake at night worried if they can afford health care their children need."

    by TomP on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:15:07 PM PDT

    •  Asian don't get to make movies (0+ / 0-)

      tacky or otherwise. Neither do Latinos. And forget about Native Americans. Very few African-American produced films, though certainly a few tacky comedies have emerged over the years.  

      I never liked you and I always will.

      by Ray Blake on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:39:28 PM PDT

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      •  You are so full of it. (0+ / 0-)

        What are you reverting to the "jews run hollywood" stereotype now??

        get over yourself

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        by no puma on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:44:13 PM PDT

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        •  Okay, name me the ethnic comedies made by (0+ / 0-)

          and about Asians, Latinos and Native Americans. I'm waiting.

          But you're the one mentioning "the jews run hollywood" not me. However, anyone who has worked in the movie business, knows that the vast majority of powerful players happen to be Jewish. That doesn't mean "the Jews" run Hollywood. A very small percentage of Jews work in show business. Try reading "Empire of Their Own" which celebrates the Jewishness of the movie business, written by a well-known Jewish showbiz writer.

          By the way, I'll never get over myself. I'm having too much fun.

          I never liked you and I always will.

          by Ray Blake on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:54:57 PM PDT

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          •  Maybe one of those ethnicities should make one (0+ / 0-)

            Because if anyone else does, it will be considered racist.

            Maybe there needs to be better writers/directors in those groups.

            A jew making a movie that makes fun of jews, whats the problem??? Cant help they can handle self deprecation more so than another ethnicity.

            When you grow up jewish, listen to people make fun of you all the time for stereotypes you may or may not embody, its alot easier to laugh about it, make fun of it and tell them to fuck off than it is to sit and cry about how mean the people are.

            And if they make a holocaust joke, then you punch them, and its over.

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            by no puma on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 03:04:29 PM PDT

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            •  If the vast majority of studio execs, producers, (0+ / 0-)

              agents and lawyers were Asian or Latino, we would expect to see a lot of films, including comedies, by, about and starring Asians or Latinos. Note that in China, there are alot of films made by, about and starring Chinese people. This is not recent issue. Minorities have been fighting Hollywood for decades to produce a diverse range of representations. So far, that hasn't happened. Diversity is assumed to be an important social value everywhere else in America, but Hollywood continues to successfully resist it.

              I never liked you and I always will.

              by Ray Blake on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 07:19:09 PM PDT

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          •  That is not the request you should be making... (0+ / 0-)

            The request you should be making is:
            "name me movies made by Asians, Latinos, and Native Americans."  Forget movies about Asians, Latinos and Native Americans, just name me any movies made by people of those ethnicities, period.

            It shouldn't be our problem that Jews only make comedies and stick to sterotyping Jews.  I'm jewish and I personally enjoy it.  If you don't like it, then don't go to the movie.
            If other ethnicities wish to do it, there is nothing stopping them.

            The Wayans brothers are notorious for making comedies which knock the african american stereotype (Im Gonna Git You Sucka, Don't Be A Menace to South Central, etc.).

            •  Can't think of any? (2+ / 0-)
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              capelza, mississippi boatrat

              Well, Smoke Signals is probably the most famous film directed by, written by, and starring Native Americans; you may have seen the writer, Alexie Sherman, on Colbert (or was it The Daily Show?) There are plenty of others out there; Lakota Woman was based on Mary Crow Dog's autobiography, and I've seen plenty of Native American-produced documentaries. You've probably seen a few too, and didn't realize it, since NA names aren't always easy to identify.

              Asians? Do movies made in China, Japan, Korea, etc. count? Because yeah, I can name a few dozen movies made by Asians off the top of my head.

              As far as Latinos go, Guillermo del Toro is pretty hot stuff right now. El Laberinto del Fauno/Pan's Labyrinth was a success by any measure. Alfonso Cuarón directed, among other things, the third Harry Potter movie.

              Just because you, personally, aren't familiar with films made by Latinos, Asians, and Native Americans doesn't mean they don't exist. You just have to look for them.

  •  Do not intend to see this film... (5+ / 0-)
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    Nina, A Citizen, mayim, Drewid, Larin

    But I have to say, all the thing you desrcibed can be attributed to any number of young American males,  at least the ones I know and a couple who are my kids...(belive they've gotten ane arful from me for it.)  This includes a Jewish kid, a couple of Native American kids, and all kinds of non-Jewish kids that trapse through my house.

    It is boorish, juvenile and offensive...but it isn't "Jewish stereotying"...welcome to young men in America.

    Now "Don't Mess With the Zohan"...THAT had some stereotyping I really hated.

    •  I liked that movie (0+ / 0-)

      What is wrong with Zohan I thought it portrayed jews and Palestinians in equally absurd caricatures. I could not ask for more fairness. The movie itself was so ridiculous I doubt anyone could find a applicable stereotype to get excited about. By the end of the movie the ethnicity of the characters is irrelevant as they all share in common humanity. I think it was great and wish that more movies like it were made.

  •  never heard of this "jewish stereotype" (8+ / 0-)

    scratch any Jewish guy and you’ll find a homo (the obsession of the characters on cock with, length, and rubbing cocks together is just the start.

    Baucus represents 3/10 of 1% of America. He receives the largest contributions from anti-reform lobbyists. Yet he is the deciding factor over healthcare reform?

    by lizard people on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:20:25 PM PDT

  •  Regardless of stereotypes (8+ / 0-)

    The movie just plain sucked. It did not know what it wanted to be--comedy, drama, bromance, romantce, tragedy?

    The standup routines were not the least bit funny--crude, yes, funny, no.

    Do guys really go around asking to see one another's "fat cock"?

    A more interesting movie would have been one about the three roommates (Schwartzman, Hill, and Rogen) as they try to make it in Hollywood.

    My boyfriend and I give this movie two thumbs down.

  •  I wouldn't pay to see Sandler in anything. nt (9+ / 0-)

    Cheney-bu$h tortured people to get false confessions
    To fraudulently justify invasion of Iraq!

    by OleHippieChick on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:21:42 PM PDT

  •  Gee... (7+ / 0-)

    ..a bunch of standup comics and wannabes...mostly stuck in adolescence...make cock jokes?

    How Jewish of them.

    Funny thing, I've been Jewish for the entire 62 years of my life and the thought that Funny People presented a negative portrait of Jews never crossed my mind.

    I have mixed feelings about the movie, none of which include any thought of stereotyping.  During the first half of the movie I actually thought we may be seeing an Oscar nominated performance from Adam Sandler.  Then the movie kind of unravelled for me.

    But my gosh, Jonah Hill and Seth Rogan telling penis jokes? I never could have seen it coming.

  •  Wow, too bad you didn't happen to see a (7+ / 0-)

    trailer on tv first, or you would have known just how bad it was going to suck.

    The trailers are hideous.  The only reason that movie is in theatres is simply the names 'Sandler' and 'Rogan'.  I see a very quick to dvd turnaround time and dismal box office numbers, made up primarily of folks like you, who don't know anything about it...

    Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God. - Thomas Jefferson

    by Ezekial 23 20 on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:24:39 PM PDT

  •  Disagree that this perpetuated Jewish stereotypes (3+ / 0-)
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    Nina, capelza, eru

    though I agree it was a horrible movie.

    For example, the most common Jewish stereotype is the cheap Jew, yet Adam Sandler told Rogan to sell his cars for whatever and not to worry about the price and just give the money to charity.

    The other Jewish stereotype is the mom who pushes food on you and although they made jokes about this when trying to work out a comedy routine, when Adam Sandler was with his mother, this just wasn't in evidence.

    My (Jewish) boyfriend did say the "Jews can't fight" thing is a Jewish stereotype and that was definitely in the movie, but it's not clear if that was meant to be a stereotype.

  •  This is about men who stopped at 12 YO (6+ / 0-)
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    Bensdad, Nina, A Citizen, capelza, denise b, eru

    and never grew up past that.  This is not about Jewish humor.  I'm quite certain that this is designed to appeal to 10-24 YO boys, and not to the modern, adult Jewish male.  Yes, these "actors" are Jewish.  That does not mean that these are Jewish stereotypes.  They are 12 year olds frozen in time.  Personally, I find Apatow's movies to be crass, and I wouldn't cross the street to see any of these guys.  

    Maybe someday one of them might want to do a serious movie, but they will be hopelessly typecast as the go-to guys for dumb, tacky, gross humor by then.  

    •  Yes, but they get to make crap films and (0+ / 0-)

      and become very rich, while other ethnic comedians don't.

      I never liked you and I always will.

      by Ray Blake on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:44:47 PM PDT

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      •  maybe other ethnic comedians should be funnier (0+ / 0-)

        and they would get to also.

        Mind you Aziz Ansari is in this movie, and is not jewish or white, and fucking hilarious

        Ansari was born in Columbia, South Carolina to Muslim Indian Tamil parents.

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        by no puma on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 03:15:27 PM PDT

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        •  You really have no idea how show business works (0+ / 0-)

          First of all, we've established that Funny People isn't very funny, and that Apatow's films are juvenile. So comic brilliance is not the issue. And there thousands of comedians all over the country, working all the time, many of them Latino, Asian and Middle-Eastern. Whether they ever get the chance to perform in a film or TV show is completely up to the powers-that-be, the gatekeepers at the studios and networks.

          I've pitched many ideas to execs over the years, and I can't tell you how many times I've been told, nobody wants to watch Mexicans or Asians. Execs will say that straight out to your face. So you change the character to an allegedly more castable white character.

          I never liked you and I always will.

          by Ray Blake on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 07:28:14 PM PDT

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  •  Movies are made sort of the way Bills become... (1+ / 0-)
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    capelza

    law.  It's a matter of marketing.

    Some of the worse junk I've ever seen have had major studios behind them.  The N.Y. Times about a decade ago had a Magazine article.

    The article described how the exact screenplay, would be a failure if has a 10 million dollar budget, but a success it it was 80 million.  Same film, production values and most of the same actors.

    The extra money was to get a "bankable" star or two.  And then to market the hell out of it, find the demographic who has the sensibilities to match the product.

    Diarist seems to have found a vehicle for Sandler fans, who really would pay to see him do most anything.

    And go on IMDB.COM, register, and put this diary in as a comment, that's like a review.

    Then on the same site start a discussion on the message board.  You will get some interesting responses, some intelligent and others knee jerk.

    •  Oh cripes... (0+ / 0-)

      The IMDB boards are just nuts.   If you like watching moving stupid, that's the place to go.

      •  My favorite is the IMDB page (2+ / 0-)
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        capelza, Shahryar

        for the dog on Lost, "Vincent," played by Madison.

        http://www.imdb.com/...

        Examples of some post titles:

        BREAKING! Madison being replaced by Johnny Depp in Season V!

        Does she smoke?

        She got a nose job!

        I used to go to school with this dog!

        RACIST!! I heard that she went on a racist tirade ala Mel Gibson when she got pulled over for driving erratically. She was saying the N word and saying things about Jewish and Muslims.
        On a related note did they actually find PCP in her collar?

        Madison's political affiliation: Anybody know? I heard she was going to be a panelist on Real Time with Bill Maher. I just wanted to get the inside scoop on her political views.

  •  We don't go to a whole lot of movies, (0+ / 0-)
    and we think about it before deciding to go. This isn't one that would have begun the process of making the cut. Just sayin'.
  •  Offensive, but not stereotypical (0+ / 0-)

    What you describe sounds offensive, sure.  But I don't think any of it is stereotypical.  

  •  Must be an age thing (0+ / 0-)

    that is not what I would think the stereo typical male Jew to be, not at all. I suppose we are shaped by our own experiences.

    You dismiss some of the really great movies about Jews they are as least as likely to shape the ideas of we non Jews just as easily as Sandler et al.

    Maybe Jewish men take longer to grow up..could be something that simple.

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    by ohcanada on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:42:56 PM PDT

  •  Haven't seen the movie but as far as what you (2+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, capelza

    perceive to be the role of African-Americans in film now you're wrong. There are few strong roles and mostly stereotypes.

    Have you ever seen a Judd Apatow movie before?

    Rub raw the sores of discontent - Saul Alinsky

    by JayGR on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 01:46:22 PM PDT

  •  I'm guessing The Producers was not a favorite. nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Doesn't sound like Jewish male stereotype (2+ / 0-)
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    Bensdad, capelza

    humor as much as gross-out, locker-room, frustrated little-boy humor, which is what Apatow does.  His women characters are all stick-figure bitches, his schlubby losers are heroes waiting for redemption, and he hasn't the faintest notion of the difference between schtick and wit.

    I did laugh at some parts of "Superbad" but that was mostly the (good) acting overcoming the (meh) writing and direction.  

    It is scarcely possible to conceive of the laws of motion if one looks at them from a tennis ball's point of view. (Brecht)

    by dotalbon on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:01:05 PM PDT

  •  Fuck, the retarded girl (1+ / 0-)
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    Bensdad

    Consider that my recognition of the importance of being offensive to the arts.  When the arts play nicely, we all lose.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:02:23 PM PDT

    •  When you push the envelope (0+ / 0-)

      just to push, it's not art, it's self-indulgence.  

      It is scarcely possible to conceive of the laws of motion if one looks at them from a tennis ball's point of view. (Brecht)

      by dotalbon on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:13:58 PM PDT

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      •  Well, it is bad art... (0+ / 0-)

        ...but it can also depend on what envelope you are pushing.

        I haven't seen the movie, and I'm not going to say that it is good without seeing it.  But whether the movie is good or bad, it is pretty petty bitching to complain that stand-up comics are being offensive (or stand-up comedian characters).  That is their entire reason for being.

        The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

        by Jay Elias on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:16:21 PM PDT

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    •  This has nothing to do with art (0+ / 0-)

      It's dumb, adolescent entertainment. Nothing more.

      I never liked you and I always will.

      by Ray Blake on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:49:02 PM PDT

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      •  Well, as long as YOU are the arbiter... (0+ / 0-)

        ...can you give me a list of what is art and what's entertainment?  It might come in handy someday.

        The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

        by Jay Elias on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 03:26:41 PM PDT

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  •  Rubbing cocks together? (2+ / 0-)
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    KibbutzAmiad, no puma

    As a gay guy who likes, you know, guys, that sounds good to me. I had NO idea my jewish male friends had this custom and I am a little bit irritated that they didn't tell me. Now I feel personally insulted. My protest: I will stop eating kosher hot dogs, as long as I can stand to do so without retching.

    Tonight I'm going to party like it's 1929.

    by Bensdad on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:16:24 PM PDT

  •  Well, all I do know that I'm not about to (2+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, no puma

    sit up here and be a dismissive byotch towards you and write off your frustrations just because I don't understand the depth of your feelings about this as I have no knowledge of the stereotypes you mentioned.

    But I believe you because I'm not stupid. I've seen stereotypes of Blacks my whole life and the majority of them have been perpetuated by Black males so, I can empathize with the anger of seeing people in your own community, embarrass your whole community.

    There may have been some changes with respect to how Blacks are betrayed in Hollywood today, but there are still idiots who think it's cool and even "productive" to embarrass the hell out of my community. Like this stupid azz fool below. As a Black woman, he's on my "black" list.

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    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:27:52 PM PDT

    •  Black people not above comedy (0+ / 0-)

      Soul Plane on the other hand was about the most insulting thing I have ever scene any ethnic group faced with. The NAACP should have arranged a boycott. But I don't think "Funny People" is the Jewish equivalent of "Soul Plane". I think Jewish people have effectively portrayed themselves in films as a wide range of characters not leading to a negative balance in attitudes as a result. I would feel bad for a brown skinned Muslim or Arab which too often is featured as a terrorist. Far more groups who are rarely heard from have a serious bone to pick about their portrayal in the cinema.

  •  Stepping carefuly... (0+ / 0-)

    ...not being Jewish and not having seen the film.

    Can someone explain the concept of the "self- hating Jew" which is what the OP appears to be accusing the makers of this film of being.

    Recently the Israeli PM was reported to have called White House aides who opposed Israeli settlements in  occupied Palestine "self-hating Jews". Can someone explain the background and cultural meaning of the term? I have never heard the term "self hating" applied to dissidents within other ethnic or religous groups and am curious about what it means and from where it derives.

  •  I've seen trailers, hbo special, etc (0+ / 0-)

    and this looks hilarious.

    Im sorry you all are so tightly wound that some cock jokes get your panties tied up in a bundle.

    These are a bunch of crude comedians, always have and always will be.

    They are jewish, make fun of themselves, and make raunchy jokes. Whats the problem?

    I'm Jewish and if there is one thing I've learned in life, is stereotypes are there for a reason while you be black, white, jewish, hispanic, asian, gay, a jock, whatever.

    When groups of people that enjoy similar things or are united by something common get together, stereotypes form because, you know, maybe thats their personality and they hang with people that fit that.

    Stop being so freakin sensitive.

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    by no puma on Sun Aug 02, 2009 at 02:48:47 PM PDT

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