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I'm becoming convinced that the Republican effort to whip up mob violence and disseminate the most vitriolic of propaganda will not stop until President Obama has been assassinated.  Perhaps they will stop if there is only an attempt on the President's life, but I have my doubts. Their willful disregard for the welfare of the country as a whole and the President in particular is dangerous to a degree that I believe the media has not yet picked up upon, with possibly tragic results.  

From the beginning, the Republican Party apparatus itself has spread the lies and rumors that our President is a friend to terrorists, a secret Muslim, a non-American, a fascist and a socialist simultaneously, and wants to turn the US into a totalitarian state.  This isn't the nutjobs who started this, it was the McCain/Palin campaign, the RNC, and the state and local parties who went with this blood on the floor direction.  And it is working.  Large percentages of Republicans, particularly white Republicans, believe some or all of the lies being spread about our country, all during a time of economic crisis and two wars.  It should not surprise us by now that these deceitful and evil people turn on their country whenever they are not in charge of it, all the while claiming the flag and patriotism for themselves alone.  Chutzpah would be an understatement.  These traitorous dregs of society are working overtime to see that some nutjob somewhere goes over the edge.  In fact, I see some of them going over the edge all the time in the rural area in which I live, in which a large percentage of my neighbors believe Obama is coming for their guns and to put their kids into re-education camps, and promise to kill any Feds who come on their land.  These same folks sit in the pews on Sunday and claim the mantle of morality and a monopoly on the affections of the Prince of Peace.  Christians who HATE people, who threaten to KILL people, who stop friendships of years upon learning someone is a Democrat.  

Fox News certainly deserves a lot of credit for this schism within the country, and from the beginning Rush Limbaugh led the way.  Logic, reason, facts, none of these things matter to these people who want violence and anger to rule the day.  

Most of the people who have listened to this propaganda are unwitting dupes rather than purely mean-spirited nutjobs.  But they too are too far gone right now.  They refuse to listen to any news except Fox News, and so long as the propaganda arm of the Republican Party disseminate liess they will believe them.  I include people I've known for decades with affection among their ranks.  

They've already shown they have no care for the welfare of the nation.  They don't care if the country falls apart, since they see that as a political gain for themselves.  What would it take for them to stop?  A terrorist attack?  No way.  They'd go overtime blaming Obama for it after calling for national unity after 9/11.  After all, only Republican rule is legitimate, so they feel justified.  But they have gone too far already, with more to come with no end in sight.  Nazi tanks imagery while talking about Obama already happens on Fox, expect a lot more of it.

I wish this is where I put my prescriptions for how to stop it before it's too late. But I don't have a prescription yet.  Obviously we have to keep the truth out there and available.  But most of these folks wont believe the truth when they hear it.  They've partially gone insane is my best guess.  And I expect people to be shooting at our leaders in consequence.  

Originally posted to Eclectic on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:22 PM PDT.

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    •  hate is an ugly business - they never let up on (14+ / 0-)

      Clinton, either. It's simply what they do best, from Palin to Sessions to the whole, stinking kettle of white supremacist pre-Neanderthals.

      There are some really, evilly racist thugs on that side of our great divide, many in high places with power and influence. Many will never change.

      Some will.

      The more pressure people put on R leaders and elected officials to actually denounce this hate-fest, the greater the chance that some of the blaze will let up.

      The more good citizens stand up and call out the mob as just that, the greater the chance they will grow further marginalized.

      Fear is the mind-killer - Frank Herbert, Dune

      by p gorden lippy on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:32:57 PM PDT

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    •  No tip sorry. (6+ / 0-)

      This isn't good to whip up.  Even though it's really all from them.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:37:48 PM PDT

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      •  See, this is the same thing the repubs would (2+ / 0-)
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        do if there IS an attempt on the POTUS's life: they'll blame him. They'll say it was his fault.

        "There's no reason to say I'm the illegitimate grandson of an alligator." Birther Biller, Rep. Bill Posey

        by marabout40 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:40:14 PM PDT

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        •  Beg pardon? (1+ / 0-)
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          That's not remotely the same as what I said.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:45:23 PM PDT

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          •  Sunlight is the best disinfectant. This needs to (1+ / 0-)
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            be discussed. Everyone needs to bring their heads out of the sand and acknowledge what is going on. Also we need to call and email the media and the Republican Party and let them know we see their role in inciting the fringe groups.

            Do not let the media act as though they are simply reporting this BS.

            Not discussing what is going on is like the family in which everyone knows Uncle Joe molests children in the family but no one will talk about it. They just try to avoid leaving their own children alone with him. Not dealing with an obvious problem is never the best course of action.

            I see the same pattern developing that was present in the country, whipped up by Republican leaning groups just before President Kennedy was assassinated. Are we going to just sit back and watch this unfold?  Will it be alright to diary in the aftermath?

            Most of everything you think you know about everything is not accurate.

            by Blogvirgin on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:16:05 PM PDT

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      •  This is how they continue to get away with it (5+ / 0-)

        We refuse to fight back because that is giving it "attention".

        "Sean Hannity...he's the guy who put the 'a' in moron" - Jed Lewison

        by voracious on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:43:35 PM PDT

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    •  I can't believe that you actually put (5+ / 0-)

      down in writing what my husband and I have been saying. I pray every day for his safety. But I do believe that is what this whole bullshit mob acts are about.
      Right Wing Fringe Whites are becoming more fearful of losing their status and power.

      •  That's the most incredible part: (0+ / 0-)

        The fringe nutcases who listen to this shit, and disrupt townhalls, and show up to teabag, have no power. They're a bunch of working stiffs, mom and pop businesspeople, and rural rednecks who are being misled to act against their own economic interests. Some family values, corporate owned Republican tells them their guns/freedom/money are going to be taken away by a scary black man who might be a secret Muslim terrorist and they go apeshit.

        Most of these folks have no privileged position to lose. Half of them can't find a decent job.

        "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

        by happy camper on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:47:26 PM PDT

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  •  This is getting to the point... (10+ / 0-)

    ..where I am forcibly reminded of the nutjobs at Red State who were all busy decrying that those of us who were protesting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't stop until our troops couldn't fight and all Americans were forcibly converted to Islam.

    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

    by Jay Elias on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:29:18 PM PDT

    •  Yes, because forced conversion (4+ / 0-)
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      is exactly what we secularists are aiming for ...

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:36:31 PM PDT

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      •  "We" were hardly all secularists... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...but I'm seriously tired of this.  We're becoming unhinged, and it is deeply disturbing to me.  The Republican party is not an "effort to whip up mob violence" and is not part of some 30 million strong conspiracy to assassinate the President.

        The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

        by Jay Elias on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:39:14 PM PDT

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        •  It's beyond tiresome .... it really blossomed (7+ / 0-)

          when the tea parties went national on Tax Day, and it's been a steady beat ever since, building up to this crescendo with the town halls.

          Why are we so fucking angry, still? And this knee jerk reaction to marginalize and stifle dissent is just ugly --- what a mess!

          "He's like any other president -- he's a politician and he's got to do what politicians do." Rev. Jeremiah Wright

          by PhillyGal on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:47:39 PM PDT

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        •  I'm going to respectfully disagree. (9+ / 0-)

          The leaders of this party have refused to denounce this behavior and encouraged it during the campaign. The firedog lake video last week showed Republican politicians refuse to admit President Obama was born in the United States.

          In November, when Republican politicians started to push back against Rush Limbaugh they were called out and forced to apologize.

          Republican Governors over and over claimed they would refuse stimulus monies in huge press conferences that received wide coverage; because they were afraid we were becoming a socialist nation. Those same governors then quietly grabbed every penny they could get.

          They have shown zero respect for the office of the president and have resorted to trickery and clowning on any media outlet that will air their ridiculous claims.

          When someone like Michelle Bachmann is re-elected after claiming there were many members of Congress who were Anti-American, I have to say that the Republican Party can step up and claim the credit for a job well done.

          "Sean Hannity...he's the guy who put the 'a' in moron" - Jed Lewison

          by voracious on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:47:41 PM PDT

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          •  None of this... (0+ / 0-)

            ...is evidence that anyone is complicit in a plot against the life of the President.  Yes, the Republicans are a bunch of unethical bastards.  That's simply not the same thing as seeking, tolerating, or enabling a hypothetical assassination.

            The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

            by Jay Elias on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:50:05 PM PDT

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            •  to be clear (8+ / 0-)

              I did not mean to say that there was a widespread conspiracy to kill the President.  I do believe they are using the lies and vitriol to rile their base, and it's having the effect of egging on the unstable.  After all, if you truly believed our President was a secret Muslim terrorist who was coming for your kids and wanted to turn the country into a totalitarian state (all very reasonable conclusions to reach if your only source of information is Fox News, Rush, and viral emails) then what would a patriotic American do, particularly if you already believe in the black helicopters and such from previous rounds of misinformation?  

              I do not believe that an assassination attempt is the plan of the RNC.  I just believe both that their actions make such attempts likely and that they will not stop those attacks unless one of those attempts succeed, though I'll grant that an unsuccessful attempt just might slow or stop it.  

              Everything else I said about what the Republicans are doing can be read on this very blog on the front page every day.  I didn't make up the stuff happening in our little farm town either.  

              "Every city is two cities, a city of the many poor and a city of the few rich; and these two cities are always at war."--Plato

              by Eclectic on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:00:01 PM PDT

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              •  They're just throwing gas out the car window... (7+ / 0-)

                ...and it's just coincidence that they happen to be passing a brushfire when they do.

                I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

                by labradog on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:13:49 PM PDT

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              •  And if you really believed... (0+ / 0-)

                ...that the Bush crime family masterminded the 9/11 attacks, or merely that they stole an election, allowed an attack on an American city to take place, started a war on false pretenses and were torturing people in secret prisons, what would a patriotic American do?

                Yep, write a lot of angry blog posts, demand that your views be heard on the mainstream news, get called a nutjob by people who matter, etc. etc.  But in either the case of the Truthers or simply those of us who are regular sane Americans who understand just how horrific the Bush administration was, none of us, not even our most unstable, actually made a serious attempt on the life of anyone.

                No one is saying the things the Republicans are doing don't suck.  But they don't equal a credible danger to the safety of our President, nor should we expect them to stop.  But that's not really such an awful thing.  Yes, we'll have demagoguery to combat.  But that's not nearly as horrible a prospect as the idea that this could seriously lead to violence.

                The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

                by Jay Elias on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:44:07 PM PDT

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                •  So you think the GOP instigated vitriol... (3+ / 0-)
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                  against Dems and Obama is just coincidental to the 400% increase in threats against the President's life since Obama took office?

                  Just another socialist fuckstick!

                  by Ian S on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:08:03 PM PDT

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                  •  I don't even know that Kessler... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...whose book is the source for that number (and who also suggests that Al Gore smoked marijuana while Vice President) is even credible.

                    And yes, I would imagine that it is nearly entirely a coincidence.  It isn't hard to find alternative explanations for the 400% figure, if it is true.

                    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

                    by Jay Elias on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:26:11 PM PDT

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              •  This stuff is scary BECAUSE it's real. (2+ / 0-)
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                Then there's this:

                From YouTube poster
                MidNightRider2001
                April 19, 2009

                Americans are buying guns and ammunition at record levels. The reasons seem easy to determine. President Obama promises to be the most Second Amendment hostile president of all-time. Obama has a full democratic Congress and they may pass the most extreme gun control ever seen.

                Any new gun control acts may likely cause Waco and Ruby Ridge-style standoffs, and many may die.

                Some of the reasons for ammo shortages in no order of importance:
                Fear of Obama's gun control
                Possible Economic Collapse
                Terrorism
                Civil War
                Crime
                Riots (Post Obama Assassination)
                Food Shortages
                Suspension of Police Services (2004 Blackout, etc.)
                Standard Paranoia

              •  In other words, playing with fire (1+ / 0-)
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                It started with Sarah Palin. If you haven't read Kathleen Parker today, it's a must read. The Republicans really do not care about the country: they've behaved as if our economy was not in crisis, that we are not "at war", and that health care has the American middle class and competitiveness on tether hooks. I've said it before, just imagine how the Republicans would have behaved after 9/11 had Gore become President. These are evil, cynical, hardhearted people.
                In closing, I'd like to cite another blond Republican woman who wrote

                Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.

                The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.

                It's not a time to be frivolous, or to feel the temptation of resentment, or the temptation of thinking next year will be more or less like last year, and the assumptions of our childhoods will more or less reign in our future. It won't be that way.

                Peggy Noonan (emphasis mine)

                Indeed.

            •  Are the media and the Republican party (2+ / 0-)
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              complicit in creating the climate in which the widely fabled "lone wolf" will feel that he needs to take action?

              What action is the lone wolf being emboldened to take?

              Most of everything you think you know about everything is not accurate.

              by Blogvirgin on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:20:12 PM PDT

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            •  the Secret Service would beg to differ w/ you. (0+ / 0-)

              And it doesn't take a GOP plot or a conspiracy: it only takes a bunch of people being moderately evil and a bunch more being stupid, and that creates the climate where something terrible is more likely to happen.  

              One thousand threats against the life of the president each and every month.  Up from slighlty more than 300 per month a year ago.  

              Most of them are nutjobs.  So are most of the ones who actually end up doing a shooting or bombing.  

              Care to tell us which of those nutjobs are harmless and which are potentially serious?  

              Here's how it works:

              The hate-mongers turn up the temperature.  The GOP refuses to tell them to back down.  Eventually the pot boils and some lone wolf comes to the surface and does something.  It's as predictable as that.  The difficult part is predicting when or where the nutjobs will surface and try to hurt someone.  

              Would you have predicted the three Philly cops who were murdered?   The two people in the Unitarian church?   The guard at the Holocaust museum?   The gynecologist in Kansas?   The women at the health club (that shooter's diary starts with a filthy racist diatribe against Obama in case you haven't seen it)...?  

              Would you have predicted the three guys who were picked up in Nevada last year, when one of them admitted being out to hunt down then-candidate Obama and had a bunch of weapons in the back of his pickup truck and plans for the place where Obama was going to speak?  

              Here's a standing offer to anyone who wants to take it up.

              Come up with a specific method for predicting where and when lone wolves will strike, and I'll write you a check for $1,000.

              Turn the idea into software, provide us with the source code and the binaries, and that's worth $10k.  

              Rewards to be payable after your method detects a lone wolf and leads to his arrest before he does an evil deed.  

              I'm deadly serious about this.  

        •  They speak for the Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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          The birther-flat-earthers and frightened town hall screamers are hijacking the Republican Party and interfering with the messages that might otherwise be conveyed by reasonable Republicans. Like it or not, in the public eye, "conservative" now means "fringe conspiracy theorist" or "screaming at public meetings" rather than "small government, fewer taxes and free market economy." This is a problem for Republicans.
          Conservative leaders must condemn these extremists or these extremists will speak for the conservatives, and that’s all centrists and independents will hear.

  •  I'm willing to give the media... (10+ / 0-)

    the benefit of the doubt and assume that they have picked up on this.

    They probably just figure that an assassination (or assassination attempt) would make for better ratings than the debate over healthcare reform does.

  •  Can we stop.... (17+ / 0-)

    ...with the hysterics?  This diary title is not helpful.  With the possible exception of the Pope. Obama is likely the safest person in the world.  And certainly the most well-protected.  And the last person who's going to be able to get to him is some idiotic winger.

    Obama is no more danger than any other modern President....in fact, he's probably safer.

    "In every revolution, there's one man with a vision." -James T. Kirk

    by The Navigator on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:31:24 PM PDT

  •  They're not going to get him (9+ / 0-)

    but they will drive a stake through the heart of their own movement.

    Richard "The Dick" Cheney: screwing America since 1969

    by litho on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:32:31 PM PDT

  •  Sheeple (3+ / 0-)

    and the worst of them are on the right...

  •  They're not gonna any happier with (5+ / 0-)

    President Biden! and, honestly now, who among us will? ;)

    But seriously folks, I wish we could dial back a bit --

    "He's like any other president -- he's a politician and he's got to do what politicians do." Rev. Jeremiah Wright

    by PhillyGal on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:34:05 PM PDT

  •  It's true, but I don't like to see it (0+ / 0-)

    so baldly.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:35:52 PM PDT

  •  SImmer down with the rhetoric... terrible title (3+ / 0-)
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    I can't recommend this.  Sorry.

    •  Sorry (1+ / 0-)
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      calling the title "I'm concerned by what I'm seeing" might make you feel better but would have been a waste of time when diaries are gone in an hour or less.  My title was completely accurate.

      "Every city is two cities, a city of the many poor and a city of the few rich; and these two cities are always at war."--Plato

      by Eclectic on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:41:52 PM PDT

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      •  Meh. The assination chic against the last (0+ / 0-)

        adminstration didn't bother you, but now you're sore afraid. BS.

        •  I don't see what you mean (0+ / 0-)

          I never saw any assassination talk while Bush was President because a)the right wing had their own in power and b) any left wing radical saw President Cheney.  Besides, it's not our side that stockpiles weapons for a hobby.  

          I'm not so much afraid that nutjobs will succeed as much as I'm upset about how many people are believing the lies and vitriol and experiencing neighbors talking about killing any fed that comes on their land.  They've been riling up their base with incendiary language for over a year now, and we've seen many tangible signs that the base is indeed riled up and believing lots of stuff that just plain isn't true.  Frightened people don't always behave rationally, and some people weren't all that rational to begin with.  

          "Every city is two cities, a city of the many poor and a city of the few rich; and these two cities are always at war."--Plato

          by Eclectic on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:42:12 PM PDT

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  •  The only quibble I have (1+ / 0-)
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    with your diary- is your suggestion that the media hasn't picked up on it yet.  Well then why exactly are most of the guests, speakers and commentators- particularly on Sundays- mostly republicans?  I believe the media is entirely complicit in the propagating of the hate frenzy, the bigotry.. Pat Bucchanon ring a bell?  They love and seek the high drama... as do the republicans.  And until I read the diary last night about the less than perfectly capable Secret Service, I didn't spend much time worrying about the president's safety... however it appears we most certainly need to be vigilant and stand up loudly and strongly against the bigots and the racists- and do our part to protect our country and our president.. and each other from the racist hate these people are selling.

    Because our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation.. Barack Obama, 5-25-08

    by sherijr on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:39:22 PM PDT

  •  I would change the title-- too predictive (0+ / 0-)

    & nothing is inevitable.

    Human reason is beautiful and invincible --Milosz, Incantation

    by juancito on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:41:03 PM PDT

  •  Could we give this stuff a rest? (2+ / 0-)
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    There's nothing in the conservative onslaught against Obama that we haven't seen in recent election cycles.  They're merely extending it into the period between elections, a kind of permanent mobilization.  It's obnoxious, and shame on us if we can't defeat it, but it's pretty lame to say it's an elaborate murder plot.

    Al que no le guste el caldo, le dan dos tazas.

    by Rich in PA on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:43:02 PM PDT

  •  The title may be extreme.... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...but I think the observation has more than a little truth to it. In fact, I said something much the same just a few days ago, here.

    It's not a conspiracy when it is happening loud and clear and in broad daylight.

    You'll pay me the 8s I won of you a-betting?

    by Boreal Ecologist on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:45:07 PM PDT

  •  That'd be tough.....even for the moronathon.... (0+ / 0-)

    Hannity sez they are exercising their fundamental constitutional rights......give them rope o'plenty.

  •  KEEP YOUR TITLE (3+ / 0-)
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    exactly the way it is.  It's the truth, so don't change it.

    Blagojevich/Palin '12.

    by fou on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:48:06 PM PDT

  •  I disagree. They wouldn't stop (2+ / 0-)
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    if Obama were to be assassinated. It would only validate them from their point of view. It is what they want, nothing less.

    You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia".

    by yellowdog on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:48:08 PM PDT

  •  Ever case the White House? (1+ / 0-)
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    I have - ain't nobody gettin' near our beloved President at home without the heat coming down on them. And no Secret Service agent wants to be the guy who let a shot get through. I think Obama is pretty well protected.

     They've made Obama a focus, but the kooks that'll touch stuff off don't have the organization to actually get close to him. We'll see things like the assault of Democratic House members first ... which has happened already. Then from there it becomes more "us against them" - with us being the GOP fringe and them being the rest of the country.

    "Not dead ... yet. Still have ... things to do." -Liet Kynes

    by Stranded Wind on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:48:37 PM PDT

    •  Did they ever confirm which one (0+ / 0-)

      was assaulted.  It would be nice to know.

      Nostalgia just isn't what it used to be.

      by jtb583 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:00:17 PM PDT

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    •  see my post with the word (1+ / 0-)
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      prescription in the title.

      We'all can and should also be looking out for our Representatives and Senators, even the ones we rant about here as needing to grow spines.  

      What's at stake is the entire principle of law and justice, one of the cornerstones of a constitutional republic.  

      This is our country, our elected officials, our government; and protecting them is all of our responsibility as citizens.  

      With enough people keeping their eyes and ears open for serious threats/plans, and doing their part to discourage and condemn hate speech, we can lower the temperature and prevent something boiling over.  

  •  What a load of hysterical crap. (0+ / 0-)

    Having credibility when making an argument is the straightest path to persuasion.

    by SpamNunn on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 04:56:46 PM PDT

    •  and what if you're wrong? (0+ / 0-)

      Remember "OK, you've covered your ass"...?

      Remember "Heck of a job, Brownie"....?

      Do you want to be known as someone whose opinion was that where there's smoke, only paranoiacs think there might be a fire?

      Here's a clue for ya':  Law enforcement doesn't think it's a load of hysterical crap.  Care to explain to us how they're all paranoid too...?

  •  I think the way to combat it (0+ / 0-)

    is to remember that we're thinking rational adults and continue to act that way. The urge to fly into a rage over their temper tantrums just feeds the beast.

  •  It's deeper than you think (5+ / 0-)

    It's more than Obama's election. this aggeivance they feel goes back to the Civil War. Their hate has manifested over the generations, and now that Bush fucked it up for them, they'll do whatever it takes to "set thangs right".
    But it won't get hairy until 2013, when Obama wins re-election.
    Eclectic, I feel you, and there IS a way to stop it. Do what Germany did after WW2; ban the Nazis (or in our case, the Republicans).
    UNconstitutional? You bet! However, these guys are thugs, charlatans and out and out traitors! They act like mafia dons.
    RICO the republicans. Audit the evangelicals for interference with matters of state.
    Then, you start prosecuting the CEO's who fund all this shit.

    http://www.robincarnahan.com/

    by De Rat Bastert on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:03:55 PM PDT

  •  I have some fear that, after eight years of (1+ / 0-)
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    hiding, like cockroaches coming out of the woodwork, the military groups and other domestic terrorists would come back.

  •  Can we like just can this diary? (0+ / 0-)

    Really. Really. Really. No. I mean Really.
    "I didn't say they would succeed."
    Well, thanks for that. Really. Let's talk about kitties now. Anyone have any recipes?

    Last Stand? Not quite ready for that, SIR!

    by Stonewall Custer on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:23:28 PM PDT

  •  violence (1+ / 0-)
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    Thank you for this post !

    People have been suggesting I meed a tinfoil hat for saying much the same thing.

    There is, IMHO, an ongoing plot to overthrow the government, to replace our consitution with a theocracy, and to install puppet leaders (such as Alan Keyes).

    The whole Orly Taitz thing is just one of the psych warfare devices being used to promote civil war.

  •  you are so right (0+ / 0-)

    every black person i talk to fully expects the president to be killed nin his first year.

    The wackos know they could never defeat him at the polls.

  •  Okay, then they won't stop, because I believe (2+ / 0-)
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    that our president is going to survive his entire TWO terms in office and live a long life with his beautiful family and watch his grandchildren grow up!

    LONG LIVE THE OBAMAS!!!!  The right-wing haters and corporations' worst nightmare!

  •  these people ought to be wearing their (0+ / 0-)

    brown uniforms...they are such good storm troopers. Repeat the lies long enough, people begin to believe them.  

    Lady Beekman: "You'll find I mean business, young lady" Dorothy Shaw: "Really? Then why are you wearing that hat?"

    by Anitaminkcote on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 05:44:41 PM PDT

  •  The Secret Service agrees with you (1+ / 0-)
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    I can't find the cite right now for a link, but, within the past two days, I read a report that the Secret Service said the number of threats against President Obama is 400 percent higher than threats against any previous President.

    •  and I have a prescription for y'all. (2+ / 0-)
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      First of all, yes, you're right, the Secret Service reports that threats are now running 400% above normal, which translates to 12,000 / year.  A thousand a month.  Each of which has to be investigated.  Think of being an emergency room doctor after a 7.0 earthquake or an F5 hurricane.  

      Second, what to do about this:  

      Same thing citizens do if there's a crime wave in their own towns.  Neighborhood watch.  Observe and report.

      Direct threats against public officials are prosecutable.  But they have to be direct, as in, "I'm going to kill (so and so)" or "Someone ought to kill (so and so)" or "I want you to kill (so and so)."  

      Specific plans are prosecutable as conspiracy to commit (assassination, a terrorist act, or whatever).  But those plans have to be specific and accompanied by evidence such as bomb-making materials.  

      Most of the righties' speech, no matter how odious, is within Constitutionally protected boundaries.  For this the answer is not to report it to the authorities, but to come down on it like a ton of bricks with opposing speech, and shame the person and their supporters.  

      The reason we have to discourage the odious but legal speech is because if it becomes commonplace, it starts to become "acceptable," and then little by little the boundaries stretch and blur.  This creates a climate that is conducive to stirring up the "lone wolves" who are the likely source of violent/terrorist acts.  Also, the odious speech degrades the signal-to-noise ratio by which the real threats and plans would ordinarily stick out and be detected.  By analogy, if everyone walks into a bank with a ski mask on, it becomes more difficult to figure out which of those people is about to try to rob the bank.  

      So:

      On line:  When you see something that appears prosecutable, take screen-shots, be sure they are time stamped, and call your local FBI or Secret Service office as the case may be.

      On line:  When you see something that's odious but not prosecutable, step in with a remark that is appropriately calibrated to the audience.  For example if you're lurking on Free Republic, the comeback will have to include pretending you're a Republican and you don't like Obama either.  But the bottom line is, when it comes to protecting elected officials from threats, there are no Republicans and no Democrats: only Americans, one nation indivisible, a nation of laws not of deranged men.

      In the media: the prosecutable instances will be far more rare because hate-mongers have smart lawyers coaching them.  However, for odious speech: letters to editors, letters to advertisers, letters to FCC in the case of over-the-air broadcasters, will at least start to get the ball rolling.  

      At work, at school, and in other places people hang out face to face:  if you hear stuff that's prosecutable (specific threats, specific plans), make the phone call.  Before you call, be sure you can document exactly what you heard and when you heard it: find a place to take notes safely and note the times and places and persons present.    

      If you hear something that's not prosecutable, the way to make it stop is with mild dismissive ridicule, not with anger or anything fierce that will give someone a basis for pushback or make you out as an adversary.   "Oh please!" and similar brief remarks of that sort are useful: with minimal verbal content and the message conveyed by tone of voice.  

      When at any event where an elected official is speaking, carry a camera and a cellphone, and keep your eyes open for potential troublemakers.  Know how to call for help by cellphone and in person, plan ahead for contingencies.  And for the odious but not illegal ones at those events, take their pictures, front and side face photos if you can.  Be sure the photos are date/time stamped, and save them to a CD or DVD for possible future reference.

      The safety of our elected officials and of a nation of laws rather than of deranged men, is all of our business.   We are all the new national neighborhood watch.  

      •  Great post (1+ / 0-)
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        See, you see the line between odious and dangerous as I do.  For example, my neighbors may believe the feds are coming for their hunting and trap shooting guns, and say they'll kill a fed if they come for their guns or their kids, the fact that at least I know the feds wont in fact be coming for either makes it less a threat and more of a stupid statement.

        Unfortunately, it was a few such remarks to correct misperceptions that outed me as a Democrat and lost me some friends.  I'd learned a long time ago not to talk politics (or pretty much any non-farming, hunting, or weather topic) with my neighbors. They're people who would feed your animals while you're on vacation or help you round up a calf that broke a fence, but boy did I get an earful when I suggested that Obama was not after their guns or their kids and he wasn't a socialist and such.  But like I said, they're no real threat.

        What Republican Party leaders and more and more elected Representatives are doing is more worrisome.  By continually suggesting the President isn't legitimate, by couching their rhetoric in such apocolyptic terms, it creates a climate of polarization and hate.  Of course this is nothing new, it's been happening since '92.  But I think it's even worse now than before.  

        Great security advice.

        "Every city is two cities, a city of the many poor and a city of the few rich; and these two cities are always at war."--Plato

        by Eclectic on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 09:22:57 PM PDT

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  •  The title scares me... (0+ / 0-)

    Max Ehrmann (author of Desiderata): Whatever else you do or forbear, impose upon yourself the task of happiness; and now and then abandon yourself to laughter.

    by JoanMar on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:07:53 PM PDT

    •  don't be scared. see my posting with (1+ / 0-)
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      the word prescription in the title.  

      Get organized, learn how to spot potential trouble and respond to it effectively, and then do it.  

      Fear disappears when you start taking action.  

  •  As sad (2+ / 0-)
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    and sickening as this allegation is, I believe that you are correct.

    When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? Eleanor Roosevelt

    by IndyRobin on Wed Aug 05, 2009 at 06:42:20 PM PDT

  •  As I sit here in my Impeach Bush&Cheney... (2+ / 0-)
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    tee shirt.I am reminded of last summer`s trip to my local grocery store adorned in my orange tee with white letters.The first person I saw,a woman employee who said,"nice shirt." The next was a white male who purposely kept his cart so that I could not put my stuff on the conveyor belt.So I pushed my cart up towards him.He was young and looked as if he was a part of "the Brooks Brothers Riot," that pretty much swept Bush into office in 2000.The cart gently hit his leg,and the meltdown began.He called me some choice names and challenged me to a fight.
    Now I`m 65,and he looked to be around his mid-twenties.And then he sneered a most rude comment,"Fuck you,old man."The first part wasn`t a problem,but the "old man" crap really pissed me off.I told him to wait till I checked out and I would be glad to met him in the parking lot.
    When I went to my car about two minutes later he was no where to be seen.Yet another chicken-shit Rethuglican who when challenged "cuts and run."
    These guys like alcoholism,get worse with each generation.I support anyone who confronts them.I felt like I denounced my commitment to non-violence.But I really didn`t because there was no fight.These guys are really asking for it with this mob stuff.If you give it to them, make sure it`s peaceful and assertive and as we`ve all seen they`ll back down and think up some other deviousness.

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