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I was looking for updates on Gov. Sanford in SCs The State when I came upon this.

A man was in an argument with his daughter in the parking lot of the Newberry County jail Sunday night — holding a blood-soaked towel to his ear — when a police officer asked him what happened.

"I molested my grandchildren," the 54-year-old man said.

Nearby, one of the man’s daughters was "hysterical and barely understandable," according to (the officer's) report filed with the Newberry Police Department.

The man’s daughter told Stuhr that her father had been molesting her daughter and her sister’s daughter. Sunday night, the man’s adult children confronted their father about the abuse, and he admitted it.

That’s when the man’s children started "whoopin’ up on him," according to Newberry Police Chief Jackie Swindler.

The man escaped his children’s fury on foot but was picked up by one of his daughters, who drove him to the Newberry County jail.

The man’s children have not been charged with assault for beating their father.

Newberry County Sheriff Lee Foster said he is evaluating the case and will confer with 8th Circuit Solicitor Jerry Peace before deciding what, if any, charges to file.

I can fully understand his kids' "street justice."  I don't advocate breaking the law, but I can't believe they'd be prosecuted for reacting so naturally to this.

Then he had a heart attack.  But who gives a shit about that -- except I hope he lives long enough to serve a very long sentence under paralyzing terror, 24/7.

His fellow inmates won't take kindly to him, his being a child molester.  I believe those folks are looked at by the other prisoners as the lowest scum in the prison.  My guess is that if somebody can get at him, he'll be killed.

My heart goes out to his grandkids; I hope they get through this.

Originally posted to dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 04:55 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

    by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 04:55:22 AM PDT

  •  My guess is he molested his daughters also (8+ / 0-)

    when they were young.  The daughters knew what to look for in their own daughters' behavior.  Even if they are charged, my guess would also be no jury will convict them of any crime worth mentioning.

  •  I couldn't agree more. . . (3+ / 0-)
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    dov12348, Jimdotz, Norbrook

    . . .there is nothing more heinous that stealing the innocence of a child.

  •  I usually don't advocate vigilantism (5+ / 0-)

    but Gramps deserved an ass-whipping.

  •  This is why we have juries... (3+ / 0-)
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    dov12348, blueocean, Norbrook

    they should be charged by prosecutors and tried, and then found not guilty by a jury.

    What legacy do you want to leave?

    by Jimdotz on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 05:21:20 AM PDT

  •  I will never forget the day a very close (9+ / 0-)

    friend walked into my home and said she needed to talk to someone and she had chosen me.

    Her father, a man I knew and respected, had abused her when she was a young teen.  She managed to live with this secret for twenty plus years without ever telling anyone.  Her mother and father were both very religious people.  She was raised with strong religious values, go figure.

    She was having nightmares.  Several per month.  Something in her subconscious was bringing those experiences from her past back into focus.  She didn't know what to do.

    I was horribly shocked but tried not to react too strongly for her sake.  I even managed to reassure her that I wouldn't hate her father for what she had shared with me.  I also promised to never tell her mother.

    My first thought was for the safety of her brother's children, twin granddaughters who had been living with her parents since they were 3 years old. They were now 12 years old.  Around the same age my friend had been when her father first approached her.

    I shared my concerns with my friend.  She assured me that her father had changed.  She told me how he had given his life to Jesus not long after she had threatened to turn him in to her mother.  He had been a strong Christian ever since.  He never approached her again after her threat.

    Within a few weeks there was a family gathering.  My friend's son spent some time with the twin girls and later mentioned to his mom that the girls had said some things in private conversation that shocked him.  A bit of age inappropriate sexual conversation one wouldn't necessarily expect from girls raised in such a strict religious environment.  I encouraged my friend to speak privately with the twins.  

    Long story short my friend approached the twin responsible for the shocking language.  Sure enough she had been molested by the grandfather.  It had just started several months earlier.  I will never forget the pain on my friends face as she realized that her silence over the years had enabled her father to continue his pattern of harming children.

    I will also never forget the way her father accused her of lying about her childhood experiences until she threatened to call the police.  He refused to admit to his crime in front of her mother.  Her mother didn't know what or who to believe.  This made my friends suffering even more unbearable.  

    I will never understand it.  My friend and her family eventually managed to forgive the father.  He never spent any time in jail.  He did undergo counseling with their pastor.  

    He is dead now.  That's pretty much all I can say about him these days.      

    •  it's good your friend had you in her life. (6+ / 0-)

      From what little I know of these things, it seems you did everything right.

      You'll pay me the 8s I won of you a-betting?

      by Boreal Ecologist on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 05:39:20 AM PDT

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      •  Thank you. (5+ / 0-)

        That experience challenged me in ways I didn't know it was possible to be challenged.

        There were many times over the several month period immediately following my friend's confession that I was tempted to break all of my promises and call the police.

        There was a time frame where the grandmother (also someone I knew and respected) didn't believe her daughter or granddaughter.  There was a time when I didn't feel that the granddaughters would be protected and I strongly encouraged my friend to call the police which she would not do.

        I felt that it was necessary to immediately contact the twin's father (my friend's brother).  I felt the twins needed to immediately go live with their dad or somewhere else safe.  This didn't happen.  

        I learned quite a bit about family dynamics and power in family structures.  I learned quite a bit about the role religion plays as opposed to our system of law in these matters.  

        I now understand that these things occur way more often than any statistic will ever show.  They are wrapped in silence and family pride or fear.  What happens to the family when the molester is also the main financial provider?  How can you publicly admit to something that will possibly bring less immediate disruption to your life if it were kept quiet?  

        The entire family is shamed by a public listing in a newspaper or on a sign in the yard or perhaps on the Internet.  Not just the acts of the molester but the story of the victim become public knowledge.

        My friend called me the day her father died.  She once again wanted a safe place. This time things were a bit awkward between us.  I never said anything inappropriate. I acknowledged her grief and her love for her father.  I shared memories of happier times and spoke of his good qualities.  Yet there was something there that couldn't be spoken of or erased.  She out of her love had managed to forgive him and truly mourned his loss.  I tried to say the right thing.  We both felt the difference.

           

    •  Wow. How and what "forgiveness" even means... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...in a situation like that, I will probably never understand.

      In prison, criminals of every stripe "find Jesus."  I say, therefore what?

      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

      by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 05:55:24 AM PDT

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  •  Fellow inmates aren't likely to kill him (3+ / 0-)
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    Forget the things you see on TV.  Most inmates aren't looking to do anything to add to their own sentences.

    He'll be shunned for sure--treated as the lowest of the low.  He might even be beaten and raped, but that also happens to people in prison who aren't child molesters.

    We are all droogie6655321

    by Buckeye BattleCry on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 05:40:27 AM PDT

    •  People familiar with the prison milieu... (0+ / 0-)

      ...were commenting on how they expected Madoff to be beaten up, if for no other reason than for an inmate to gain some "street cred" because this guy stole from grandma.  I'm sure they have ways of doing these things so they won't be found out.  Many times the guards are in on it and look the other way.

      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

      by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 05:59:25 AM PDT

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    •  Most Likely (2+ / 0-)
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      If what this man's kids say is true and if he is convicted, he will be put in protective custody "PC", a kind of solitary confinement.  He may be kept in a yard with other child molesters and sex criminals.  He won't be beaten or raped.  He'll be pretty lonely, though.

      I understand the impulse, but it turns my stomach to see anyone being gleeful about someone -- anyone -- being forcibly beaten and raped.

      It probably isn't trolling per se to share sadist fantasies here.  But it's not a pretty sight.

      This aggression will not stand, man.

      by kaleidescope on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:58:09 AM PDT

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      •  Not unless there is a valid threat (0+ / 0-)

        to the man's safety.  Inmates are not placed in segregation unless it is absolutely necessary.

        He may be kept in a yard with other child molesters and sex criminals.

        I doubt it.  They generally aren't separated into groups based on their offenses.

        I understand the impulse, but it turns my stomach to see anyone being gleeful about someone -- anyone -- being forcibly beaten and raped.

        I'm going to assume you aren't referring to me specifically because I don't think there is anything funny about rape, especially when it happens in the prison system.

        This man stands a better chance of being assaulted for the serious offense of taking another inmate's Little Debbie snack cake than he does for being a child molester.

        It's an urban legend, this idea that child molesters are killed in prison based on a few through the years that have been assaulted or killed.  Maybe someone thought the legend would be a deterrent, who knows. Inmates fight because they have what they believe is a legitimate beef against another inmate.

        And I want to repeat while I can that corrections officers don't sit idly by while inmates assault/kill each other, or conspire with inmates to make it happen.  If this were to occur, the CO would be charged with a crime, the least of which would be dereliction of duty.  He'd lose his job.  

        Who wants to lose a state job with good benefits and a retirement plan?

        Again, there are exceptions, and they almost always get caught.

        We are all droogie6655321

        by Buckeye BattleCry on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 09:51:19 AM PDT

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  •  , (1+ / 0-)
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    It won't help the kids he harmed in any way if your twisted revenge fantasies are fulfilled.

    Torture, rape, and murder are by definition cruel and unnusual punishment - something we fought a damned Revolution (in part) to outlaw.

    Lock him and toss away the key, never let him hurt another child.  

    Child molestors are, for the most part sick.  Too sick and too dangerous to be permitted to walk freely in a world containing children.

    Torturing the ones we catch won't deter anyone from doing it in the future - illness doesn't work that way.  It won't make the children they harmed any less damaged, either.

    I hope he winds up with a dozen consecuitive 20 year sentences, a job punching license plates or making boots, and a spartan little cell to call home.  I also hope he has access to mental health care, and can have the chance to seek some kind of personal redemption, although social redemption simply isn't in the cards.

    •  Who said I had a fantasy? (0+ / 0-)

      You need to re-read this.  I did say it was understandable; that's different.

      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

      by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:01:01 AM PDT

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      •  Did you read your diary? (0+ / 0-)

        But who gives a shit about that -- except I hope he lives long enough to serve a very long sentence under paralyzing terror, 24/7.

        Crush the Horror.

        by JesseCW on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:56:07 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, I stand corrected. (0+ / 0-)

          I do hope that.  Do you have a problem with that?

          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

          by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:14:50 AM PDT

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          •  I think I already expressed my problem (0+ / 0-)

            with that pretty clearly above.

            Crush the Horror.

            by JesseCW on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:40:04 AM PDT

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            •  No you didn't. (0+ / 0-)

              You talked about torture, rape and murder.  I don't hope any of that.

              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

              by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:41:23 AM PDT

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              •  Right, you just hope that he lives in terror (0+ / 0-)

                of such things 24/7.

                Your priority is his suffering.

                My priority is that he never be permited to hurt another child.

                Crush the Horror.

                by JesseCW on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:44:10 AM PDT

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                •  Oh absolutely. Mental suffering and anguish. (0+ / 0-)

                  Preferably the kind where he almost goes mad from the guilt.  But in case he feels no guilt (ie he's a sociopath) then living in constant fear of being physically harmed is an excellent substitute -- without, of course, that he be actually physically harmed.

                  Prisons weren't intended for the purpose of, no matter what you've done, you feel at peace mentally/emotionally.

                  My priority is dual.  That he never hurt another child and that justice is meted out.  God knows how many lives he's already destroyed.

                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

                  by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:56:44 AM PDT

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        •  And the operative word is "justice." (nt) (0+ / 0-)

          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

          by dov12348 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:40:27 AM PDT

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  •  If we want to sentence someone (0+ / 0-)

    to a long sentence in paralyzing terror, then we should say that explicitly in the law, just as we used to do with 'hard labor'.  

    We should not hand off the duty of punishment to inmates, since they inflict their punishment using criteria which have very little to do with justice and they can only act with the connivance (intentional or not) of the authorities.

    •  Ideally it wouldn't be from the authorities. (0+ / 0-)

      The terror would just come from being at a hard-core prison, with all its natural "amenities."  Not a Club Fed.

      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

      by dov12348 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:57:44 AM PDT

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