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Robert Creamer wrote a really good piece in the HuffPo  called: Why Health Insurance Reform Will Pass This Fall -- It's the High Political Ground.  I direct you to it since it blows a hole... no, four holes... in the stuff Morning Joe and his friends were putting out this morning.

The basic points (read the article for the expansions):

1). Most Americans - including swing voters - can't stand the health insurance industry.

2). The Obama Administration will use every ounce of its political capital to win this battle.

3). As the vote grows closer, many moderate Democrats will begin to realize the price they will pay personally if health insurance reform fails.

4). Finally, the pundits have ignored a critically important new development : the Obama base has been energized.

Creamer has hit the nail squarely on the head: Obama is not going to lose this because he CAN'T lose this. It has been a long time since we have had a Democratic President with this kind of focus... and when he uses his incredible ability to have a positive finish we will find ourselves not only supporting him, but forgetting about most of the crap that has happened during the Congressional break.

The real losers in the Health Care fight are going to be the Grassleys, the DeMints, the Inhofes and the Enzis who will take the $17 million plus they have received from the Insurance Industry and try to explain to their constituents why their perceived strength was only an excuse to make a buck.

After this goes through the polls will show that Americans never had any doubt that Obama and the Democrats would get reform through.

Under The LobsterScope

Originally posted to Bill Tchakirides on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:20 AM PDT.

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  •  Now, if you could just tell me (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, didaskalos, tnproud2b

    what Obama's health care reform is.

    Take it to the bank: Mandated insurance with minimal government assistance for the poor to purchase it, 35% co-pays, $5,000 deductibles. And Obama signs it.

    by jazzmaniac on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:21:56 AM PDT

    •  It's a promise of affordablity (6+ / 0-)

      And there's no other route to that besides a public option.

      77% of voters support a public option, Congress.

      by ShadowSD on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:24:31 AM PDT

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      •  I Don't Think P.O. Makes Health Affordable (3+ / 0-)
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        didaskalos, War on Error, tnproud2b

        for the nation. I think only total removal of profit from the payment system either single-payer or else mandatorily nonprofit insurance are sustainable.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:26:38 AM PDT

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        •  It is affordable (2+ / 0-)
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          Pescadero Bill, Randtntx

          If we make the wealthy pay their fair share for our Democracy.  If we quit wasting money on a bloated and wasteful military and a worldwide occupation force.

          Perhaps we should shrink the military to a size we could drown in a bathtub and actually use the funds to provide health security to all American's.

          Distrust of authority should be the first civic duty. - Norman Douglas

          by Fossil on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:33:59 AM PDT

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          •  Well, that will be an easy sell (snarkle) (1+ / 0-)
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            Poverty does not mean powerless. Unite!

            by War on Error on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:06:53 AM PDT

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            •  That is why - Public Option first. (0+ / 0-)

              Then when there is profound public investment in such a program how do you think the public policy will play out?

              Just think of Social Security and Medicare and what those people shouting to keep government out of Medicare would throw under the bus in order to maintain their security.

              Distrust of authority should be the first civic duty. - Norman Douglas

              by Fossil on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:47:37 AM PDT

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        •  I disagree (3+ / 0-)
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          I believe that competition from a strong public competitor with low administrative costs will force private insurance companies to either lower their prices or go out of business, and that they will choose the former.  I believe we should all stand together and insist on a robust public option in the final conference package.

          If there was a route to single payer in the next six weeks, I'd be right there with you.  However, given the amount of resistance in DC to a policy 77% of the country supports (the public option), imagine how much more difficult it would be to pass something the country is at best evenly split on according to recent polls (single payer).

          Source

          77% of voters support a public option, Congress.

          by ShadowSD on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:39:02 AM PDT

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        •  That (1+ / 0-)
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          Kitty

          and reform of the health system in total.  Profits for insurers is not the only (it may not even be the primary) reason that health insurance and healthcare is costly.

          "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

          by newfie on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:30:19 AM PDT

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          •  That's what has been forgotten in this debate (1+ / 0-)
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            We must work on the whole system to bring down costs not just the insurers

            Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. Blaise Pascal

            by Kitty on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:48:18 AM PDT

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            •  Right. (0+ / 0-)

              And there are a number of arenas that needs attention.  We willhave to encourage primary and preventative care while improving the compensation for those medical providers.  I laugh at people I know who grumble something about poor access in Canada etc.  I respond - you're kidding?  Hav eyou tried to set up routine checkups recently?  Get one within 3 months?  How 'bout Ob/Gyn? Dentist?  etc.  That is a joke.

              "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

              by newfie on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 09:55:38 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, I've Never Doubted He'll Get Some (5+ / 0-)

      improvements.

      Policy is not election, it's not binary. You can lose getting almost everything you want, you can win getting almost nothing.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:25:34 AM PDT

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  •  Obama will win something (3+ / 0-)
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    What will he win? What does he want?

    Wish I knew.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:31:00 AM PDT

    •  As far as I know ... (1+ / 0-)
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      this is still what he wants. I don't think he's backed off on any of these points.

      "I'm a bear of very little brain." -- with apologies to A. A. Milne

      by Arnie on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:45:45 AM PDT

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    •  any plan that is not real good will deteriorate (1+ / 0-)
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      I heard John Nichols, The Nation writer,  yesterday on Jon Wiener's, also a Nation writer and historian,  program on KPFK yesterday and he said that if only 70% of single payer passes it will not be a good bill.  It has to be close to 100% of the plan.  The danger is that if it is not really good it will deteriorate into a welfare plan which the Republicans will chip away at and will eventually end up as a useless plan,.

  •  Is Obama going to be with the one he loves, or (3+ / 0-)
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    is he going to decide to be with the one that he's with.

    All signs point to "settling" with no indications of "victory."

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 07:31:45 AM PDT

    •  Unfortunately, it sets a trend and (1+ / 0-)
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      path for his administration.  No cap and trade; no ELCA.

      For all those who believed in 10-dimensional chess, this has been repeatedly mishandled.

      In relying on Rahm, he did it the Clinton way and got mediocrity.

      Had he relied on his message of change and hope, on building mass support for a bill and daring blue dogs to oppose him, it might have been different.

      They "prefer an America where parents will lie awake at night worried if they can afford health care their children need."

      by TomP on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:25:57 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, I'm guessing Rahm would have (1+ / 0-)
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        rammed it through.  This has all the classic signs of Obama's approach, but unfortunately it has exposed the weaknesses and vulnerabilities in that approach.

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:38:28 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe so. For all of Rahm's (2+ / 0-)
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          centrism, his reputation is hardball.

          I remember us talking and this was the thing you least liked about Obama.

          I guess we are stuck with the good and not so good.

          At least he does not sleep around like my guy did.  JRE talked a good game, but in the end, was fundamentally flawed.

          I still believe Obama's heart is good.  That is the difference. We likely will lose on this.  

          The question is, where do we go from here.  Progressives will have been exposed as a paper tiger.

          Start all over again within the Dem Party?  

          They "prefer an America where parents will lie awake at night worried if they can afford health care their children need."

          by TomP on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:42:29 AM PDT

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          •  TomP (0+ / 0-)

            it's not about us and it's not over.  

            We desperately need Dem votes in the Senate.  Why all this focus on the house?  They are going to pass a bill with a public option.

            We need a bill out of the Senate.  

            Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. Blaise Pascal

            by Kitty on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:52:04 AM PDT

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            •  It is about all of us. (1+ / 0-)
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              I agree it is not over.

              We just differ on this.  The House should vote no on any bill out of conference with triggers.

              It's becoming a bad bill.

              They "prefer an America where parents will lie awake at night worried if they can afford health care their children need."

              by TomP on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:55:15 AM PDT

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              •  The house is going to vote for a bill (1+ / 0-)
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                with a public option already - why are we targeting them?  Why aren't we going after the Senate?  

                I don't understand the logic around.  

                Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. Blaise Pascal

                by Kitty on Thu Sep 03, 2009 at 08:58:09 AM PDT

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    •  YOu fester with negativity (0+ / 0-)

      to quote Ivan Alexeyev.

  •  Define "win this battle" (0+ / 0-)

    Creamer:

    The President and his top advisors understand that -- when it comes to health care -- failure is simply not an option. They know that defeat on health care would be a huge blow to the President's ability to pass his entire agenda and his own standing with the voters. People follow successful leaders - not those who fail.

    As a result, the President will use every bit of his charm, his persuasive ability and the formidable powers of the Presidency to secure the votes to win.

    ...

    Anyone who doubts the strength of his resolve - or his resourcefulness - doesn't yet understand Barack Obama.

    This "analysis" reeks of macho bluster and personality cult. The kind of bullshit we were peddled when assured that history would vindicate W.'s manly resolve in "sticking to his guns" in Iraq.

    It's true that Obama has to get something through or he's finished.  But he's never given a shit about real reform - as evidenced by his backroom sweetheart deal with Big Pharm. And he knows the "no public option, no vote" liberals are a weaker adversary than the Blue Dogs.

    So he'll try to buy off the BD's with pork. If that doesn't work, the public option can join gays, habeas corpus, and mountaintops under the bus. We'll squeeze over to make room for it.

  •  I've never believed that the man who so (1+ / 0-)
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    eloquently spoke of his mother's battle with insurance companies while dying of cancer would settle for mediocre reform.  So, with health care reform and the stimulus starting to stimulate, the republicans "got nothin'" in 2010!

  •  A agree, BUT... (0+ / 0-)

    ...the real question is how much will sacrificed so that Obama can eventually come out saying he "won"?

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