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In 1988, Ronald Reagan pushed his anti-government, low-tax ideology in a speech broadcast to classrooms nationwide, adding that he had supported "Negro" educational institutions. Here’s excerpts:

Fast-forward twenty-one years later, and the very same people who lapped up Reagan's right-wing speech are throwing a fit because today Barack Obama gave a totally different kind of classroom speech, one focused not on politics, but rather on the importance of staying in school.

You can read the speech here and judge for yourself just how stupid the people freaking out about it are.

Indeed, the people who fueled the freakout in the first place are backtracking. Before the speech, Florida GOP chairman James Greer, who last week said the speech would "indoctrinate America’s children to his socialist agenda," now says "it's a good speech, I'll let me kids watch."

To be fair, Greer is still bonkers. He now claims that if he hadn't falsely accused President Obama of trying to indoctrinate America's youth to the ways of socialism that Obama would have done just that. In other words, Greer is basically claiming to have saved American civilization.

The real reason for Greer's shift is probably this article in the Orlando Sentinel which fiercely mocked Greer for engaging in his own indoctrination program. It turns out that Greer regularly visits Florida classrooms to pitch Republican political talking points.

All that this means, however, is that Jim Greer has a lot in common with Ronald Reagan. Both are right-wingers who tried to (using Greer's words) "indoctrinate" Americans' children.

As for President Obama, not so much. This morning, he wasn't trying to indoctrinate -- he was trying to inspire America's children to excel in school. And he wasn't doing it because excelling in school will usher in a new era of socialism, he was doing it because children studying hard today will help make our country an even better place to live tomorrow.

We need more of that kind of attitude from the GOP. Whatever happened to country first? Instead, they're stuck in crazy-land, following Glenn Beck's every utterance and boycotting a speech about staying-in-school.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:30 AM PDT.

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  •  In one stroke of genius speech, Barack Obama (18+ / 0-)
    turns our kids into Bolsheviks.

    I live in the Tyranny that is called Canada. Where the socialists and oligarchs run our lives...

    by The Simple Canadian on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:31:11 AM PDT

  •  Reagan openly poltical, partisan (12+ / 0-)
    I don't think it can be MORE political than to say, "they did bad, we came into office, we fixed it".  What's left for the campaign?

    If we don't get real health care reform, I'm going to blame some of you politicians in Washington.

    by Inland on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:32:23 AM PDT

  •  It is a shame (4+ / 0-)
    that so many kids didn't get to hear Obama's speech.

    "We must learn to regard people less in light of what they do or omit to do, and more in the light of what they suffer."

    by MLDB on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:32:24 AM PDT

  •  The common thread (17+ / 0-)

    running through the nonsense claims from the far-right is this: projection of one's own failings.

  •  stats on popularity (3+ / 0-)
    I have noticed a new right wing meme: Obama has lost his popularity faster than anyone in history.

    Is this true? One pundit mentioned that he is about the same as Reagan at this point and above Clinton.

  •  Better watch out, they might start (5+ / 0-)

    doing some creative interpretations of history.

  •  I am so indoctrinated (6+ / 0-)
    Somehow I feel all inspired. Does that mean I am a commie?

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:33:43 AM PDT

  •  I just saw an AP story posted on another site, (15+ / 0-)

    penned by Julie Pace.  It is so slanted and misleading, calling this speech "very controversial" and that it's received "poor reviews" and that there was a barrage of protestors in Va. with signs saying, "Stay away from our children".  
     What a biased piece of junky writing.  Just pitiful.

  •  IOKIYAR (14+ / 0-)

    Republicans are masters of projection. whatever they accuse us of doing, you can be sure it's because they know that's exactly what they would do. It's inconceivable that anyone else would behave differently when in power.

    Thank goodness they arent in charge anymore...

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by atlliberal on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:34:32 AM PDT

  •  Watch Out Parents........ (3+ / 0-)
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    Just wondering, Now how many kids will start challenging not only their parents but also the fox, as mommy and daddy watch it, after watching this and hopefully the teachers understand civics and discussing it!!

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:34:42 AM PDT

  •  "Stay in school, kids. Or else..." (0+ / 1-)
    Recommended by:
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    Patty SoandSo
    ... you might have to join the military for money. And with my plans for Afghanistan, that could get you blown up.
  •  He should direct this speech at all Americans (12+ / 0-)
    I have been out of school many, many years, and I found his speech inspirational.

    In a way, I wish he'd address all Americans this way, just not students.  He can be an incredibly inspirational guy.  What not tell adults that they are responsibly for their own lot in life, to not let their home situation, economic conditions, prejudice, etc keep them down?  That it is up to them to make their lives a success?

    I think if it's a good message for our students, it's a good message for all of us.

    I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

    by The Navigator on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:35:13 AM PDT

  •  Awesome, a balanced budget amendment (4+ / 0-)
    The US would be one giant California right now.

    That is to say even more completely screwed than we are now. Full-on depression with no hope whatsoever.

  •  Everybody sing it with me! (8+ / 0-)
    (to a swing beat)

    Projection!
    Projection!
    All because they can't win an election!
    Projection!
    Projection!
    Thoughts of Hitler give them an erection!

    Well, you swing to the left! (NO!)
    I swing to the right! (YEAH!)
    Gonna get my payback from insurers tonight!
    Projection!
    Why bother to fight? (it's projection)
    Our minds are so slight... (it's projection)
    Please weep for our plight (it's projection)
    No logic in sight!

  •  partisan indoctrination (0+ / 0-)
    can you get this on You Tube for wider distribution?
  •  IOKIYAR (1+ / 0-)
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    blackjackal
    period.

    Totally in the tank for Keith O'!

    by Staci on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:37:39 AM PDT

  •  But you don't understaaaaannnnnndddd!!!! (8+ / 0-)
    It's totally different when Reagan does it, because he was annointed by Jeebus!  It's fine for Presidents to fill kids' heads with propaganda, as long as it's propaganda that Republicans approve of.

    It's just like their stance on religious fanaticism.  Islamic fanatics = dangerous terrorists.  Christian fanatics = great patriots (even when they kill people and blow things up).

    See, totally different rules.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:38:01 AM PDT

    •  It's what's considered being "objective"-- (2+ / 0-)
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      i.e. projecting one's own perspective onto another and then basing one's own behavior in response to that.

      The WMD in Iraq story is a perfect example.  Iraq had to be attacked because if we had what we knew they had, we'd use the WMD and that had to be stopped by using ours first.

      There's really no reasoning with that circular logic.  The only thing we can do is take note that when Republicans claim to be objective that's a sign of danger.

      On the other hand, you'll recall that Sotomayor was accused of being subjective.  Being subjective is a bad thing because it implies that a person thinks and acts independently--i.e. not in response to an "objective" interpretation of reality.

      What's been bothering me of late is that the adherence to a group (political, religious or fraternal), instead of influencing behavior to follow a coherent agenda, actually seems to facilitate totally self-centered and self-serving actions.  That is, the conservative groupies mouth the party line, but their behavior is consistently and increasingly erratic.
      Self-directed people, on the other hand, raise lots of questions but then end up acting in unison.  That must be very disconcerting to conservative "leaders."  They have all these supporters, but accomplish nothing.
      Of course, if you assume that nothing is going to happen, then you can be as irrational in your diatribes as you want.

      "All sound and fury signifying nothing."

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:29:29 AM PDT

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  •  i can't wait to see how the wingnuts (9+ / 0-)

    find some way to complain about the Obama speech

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    I'll have a Markos Marxist Maoist Muslim Moulitsas Mulatto Mojito, please!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:38:15 AM PDT

  •  Adieu to "Stop Indoctrinating Our Children" . . (11+ / 0-)

    on Facebook.

    And now that the President of the United States had made liars out of all of you freaks, I take my leave. I trust your children have suffered no ill effects, safe within the Bubbles of Ignorance in which you keep them. I look forward to your next hissy fit.

    They called me a fag again. :(

    Don't tell me about the "new politics" if you're an asshole.

    by Ms Johnson on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:38:19 AM PDT

    •  There was a time, not so long ago, (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Matt Z

      when writing the word "fag" on a classroom blackboard could land a youth in juvenile court and in danger of being sent to reform school.

      Assume that those using the word are exercising a liberty that was previously denied to them.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:49:06 AM PDT

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  •  Are you serious? (5+ / 0-)

    adding that he had supported "Negro" educational institutions.

    Not sure why I would be surprised at something like this; this is the GOP in a nutshell and Reagan was one of their best spokesmodels.

  •  The Right Wing won years (4+ / 0-)
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    ago on public schools.  That is why education is so poor today.  Progressives are spineless when it comes to saying anything at school while the Right says all they want.  Teachers just want their pensions.  The right plays like they have not won.  They just keep pounding away.  Look at Obama today.  What a silly speech.  The country is in deep trouble due to the right wing's agenda and all he can come up with is stay in your right wing controlled concentration camps which are called public schools.  Perhaps a few will rebel.  Most won't.   the schools are horrible and we just play like we are part of the debate to make them better.  We are not.  We are on the outside when it comes to education in this country.  The right wing controls the agenda here.

    Pass new laws to end media monopolization now.

    by john from vermont on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:39:09 AM PDT

    •  I thought the same thing (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Pris from LA

      when I started reading about the history of organized labor in the USA. Not a frigging word about this stuff in school.

      There's gotta be a reason for that.

      You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass the guilty.
      - Jessica Mitford

      by Swampfoot on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:49:40 AM PDT

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  •  Go to CSpan and listen to Regan's speech in 1988 (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, Matt Z, Pris from LA
    About government and election. It's full of bull as we now know in hindsight.

    "The people are in charge of the government in America"

    "One person, one vote"

    "Votes counted in public, not secret"

    "Moral task for your generation is to keep faith with the original revolution"

    Talks about phony elections in other countries.

    "Hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue" Quotes Frenchman

    Our duty to bring the values of the revolution to all the world"

    Sounds like indoctrination to me. (This is only some of the bull up to 8 minutes out of 36 minutes. Can't listen anymore. Regan stole 8 years from our country so I really don't want to give him 30 more minutes of my life, even for Daily Kos. Posted in another diary but relevant here)

    And Obama can just talk about studying hard and it's subversive?!!! OMG

  •  Obama gave a "conservative values" speech (5+ / 0-)
    Nina Easton, Fortune Magazine, just spewed on  FauxNoise that the President gave a "conservative values" speech.

    Excuse me?

    So now they want credit for a liberal, communist, Kenyan, Muslim, marxist, socialist President talking about AMERICAN values to school children?

    And they wonder why the right is earning the titles of loonies, wackos and domestic terrorists?

    Sorry Nina, you are a loony, wacko and domestic terrorist in my book. Get a clue.

  •  Reagan, America's Lenin (8+ / 0-)

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:40:41 AM PDT

  •  another conservative paranoid fantasy (5+ / 0-)
    remember that Reagan campaigned upon eliminating the Department of Education in 1980, and Bob Dole did it in 1996.

    Because, you know, it was full of DFH's who wanted to brainwash our chillun.

    President Obama got it right last year. They really are proud of being ignorant.

  •  No reason "to be fair" about Greer. He is full of (5+ / 0-)

    crap; now realizes how badly he fucked up---and is backtracking faster than someone from a bear!

    However, in the end, he helped bring this speech to a greater audience-and that is good.

    "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

    by Phil S 33 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:41:04 AM PDT

  •  know your enemy (6+ / 0-)
    We need to know our enemy.

    This whole uproar over President Obama "indoctrinating" children by the conservative base is pure psychological projection.

    This is what THEY do, this is what they WANT a conservative president to do. They believe we should indoctornate our children, we should just be indoctrinating them in a conservative ideology.

    So they just assume that the everyone else is going to do the same, they've made the president out to be some caricature of a Communist/socialist, so of course he is going to spread his ideology.  

    They can't even comprehend the idea that a president DOESN'T have an Ideology.

    •  His ideology exists - it's just not the marxist (0+ / 0-)

      socialist ideology that they've been screaming about.  They can't imagine anything other than that, so that's all they can think of when asked what's wrong with stuff like this speech, or healthcare for all.

  •  "they're" (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    High Tide

    just sayin'

  •  How great are Obama's powers? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Skid, My mom is my hero

    He can overcome Republican parents, conservative churches, Republican teachers and school boards and Sunday Schools and communities, with a single speech.

    Let's face it - only the anti-Christ can wield such great powers. Or at least a black Democrat in the White House, which is even worse than anti-Christ.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference.

    by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:42:31 AM PDT

  •  Teleprompter! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Skid, Matt Z
    .
      Gummint Death Panels!

      One of the Obama's girls' T-shirts!

      I'm sorry, just trying to figure out which faux rage topic I'm supposed to be on today.

      From a comment in BiPM's House earlier this a.m.  Just thought I'd share again.

      bg
    _______

    "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

    by BenGoshi on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:42:42 AM PDT

  •  Hypocrisy is too complicated a concept for them (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Skid

    not to mention, too hard to spell.

    The invasion of Iraq was a war crime, a crime against humanity, and a crime against civilization. Prosecute the crime.

    by Positronicus on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:43:06 AM PDT

  •  "To be fair, Greer is still bonkers." fav line Jed (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ipsos, Matt Z
  •  I know this is not an open thread... (0+ / 0-)
    But just reported on CNN via Politico - The public option is dead.

    [Journalism] is media agnostic. - Kos

    by RichM on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:43:27 AM PDT

  •  Jim Greer: Fearless Defender of Western Society! (0+ / 0-)
    In his own mind, anyway. Well, what little mind he has to begin with.
  •  That doesn't look like a school (1+ / 0-)
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    JC from IA

    it looks like a bunch of pre-selected kids. All done up in suits, too.

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

    by Damnit Janet on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:43:47 AM PDT

  •  So,... (0+ / 0-)
    ...Republcans are supporting dropping out of school?

    Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

    by boran2 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:44:33 AM PDT

  •  Criminals (0+ / 0-)

    All those who prevented their kids from watching this. Just criminals.

    "Where all Obama's people to help him with this now? He is like Michael Jordan on a VERY, VERY, VERY bad team". - Bill Maher.

    by blackwaterdog on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:44:39 AM PDT

  •  you don't get it (2+ / 0-)
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    The people who are nattering on about their children's future, aren't concerned about the children as individuals.  What they're concerned about is children as potential sources of income for the parents or as status enhancers.
    These people live through their children.  What they didn't achieve they expect the children to achieve so they can brag about their parenting skills or how well they would have done, if they hadn't been somehow disadvantaged by their parents, the war or the depression or whatever.

    Telling the children that they should achieve in their own right is heresy.  It will make them even more ungrateful than they are and the parents will lose influence.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:44:46 AM PDT

  •  Projection... (6+ / 0-)

    ...thy name is republican.

    It never ceases to amaze me how they have this ability to project all the very evils they do THEMSELVES on democrats.  Everything they CLAIM democrats or government in general will do, they do themselves.

    You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

    by DawnG on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:44:59 AM PDT

    •  It's a Basic Message Strategy the Reagan Team (0+ / 0-)

      rolled out in all things, but it's probably older with the conservatives.

      I first noticed it years ago with their hysteria about World Government™, because it was obvious they were advocating and later building a world government themselves in their trade policies.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:52:52 AM PDT

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  •  After watching Reagan for 2 minutes and 3 seconds (3+ / 0-)
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    I have an uncontrollable urge to ridicule the poor, spend money I don't have on a giant gun, and kiss a rich person's ass.

    It's like a bad movie... starring him.

    "Just relax and let the hooks do their work." -- Ned Flanders

    by Pangloss on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:45:24 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, but Reagan was white. (8+ / 0-)
    And that's all that is important.

    The "choice" offered by capital is illusory. If you cannot afford the choice, you don't have the freedom to choose.

    by high bitrate on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:46:13 AM PDT

    •  Not Quite All, There Is That Republican Part Too (3+ / 0-)
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      Skid, Matt Z, Pris from LA

      There was plenty of hysteria over Clinton, and there were always networks not carrying his speeches.

      I think I remember it getting to the point of maybe only 1 channel covering some of them.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:54:33 AM PDT

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  •  Wacked (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, Pris from LA
    He now claims that if he hadn't falsely accused President Obama of trying to indoctrinate America's youth to the ways of socialism that Obama would have done just that. In other words, Greer is basically claiming to have saved American civilization.

    That's the funny thing about this, and about the death-panel meme.  

    If it weren't for just a few brave souls on the far right with the moral conviction to stand up to obama and his socialist takeover of this country, the American people would just end up marching off brainlessly to their death chambers every time they had a more than simple medical condition, or every time they passed the age of 70.

    Like, can't people see how much the 'Socialist!!  Death Panels!!!' meme plays Americans for fools and pushovers?

    IF it was true, where's the faith that it wouldn't get anywhere?  Why wouldn't Americans be able to stop something such as a socialist takeover of our country?  What part of this country's history points to that being something that would just happen overnight?  Like, our military would just fold over, police departments, state legislatures, judicial system, etc etc.

    Oh yeah, there goes granny to the death chamber!  No no, now, there's nothing we can do.  Just let her go!  Obama has deigned it.  Oh wait, why does the American flag of a sickle on it now?  And where's the blue?  Oh well, there is nothing we can do about it, after all.  If only I had listend to Glen Beck when I had the chance.  If only..

    Fucking lunatics.

    The GOP: Amateur Hour 24 Hours A Day

    by wastelandusa on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:46:25 AM PDT

  •  Reagan was a washed up... (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, Pris from LA
    ..."b" rate movie actor who was picked up by corporate America whose Madison Avenue hirelings PRed into a political Idol with all the patriotic symbolism and subtitle but unmistaken appeal to white and Christian America to the exclusion of black America they could inject into his image. It was possibly then greatest political sell in American History.

    He was probably a nice guy and would have made a nice and civil neighbor but he had no buisness being President. The last six yeas of his terms GHW Bush ran the country behind his manufactured image. I thought the country would never have a more unsuitable President but then no one could have imagined GW!

    I don't think Regan even merits a sane discussion for most his terms GHWB was the man, responsible for all the damage done to the middle working classes...in their name BTW!
     

    The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

    by Bobjack23 on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:47:44 AM PDT

  •  Ummm, FAIL (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, Pris from LA, paintitblue
    Do as I say -- nope!
    Do as I do -- try and stay outa jail!
    I O K I Y A R

    Hell hath no fury like the vast robot armies of a woman scorned

    by Mike E on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:47:45 AM PDT

  •  Holy Hypocrisy, Batman! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, Pris from LA

    The future is what we decide it is going to be.

    by Ann T Bush on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:49:52 AM PDT

  •  Republicanism Is Fundamentalism (2+ / 0-)
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    Skid, Pris from LA

    Fundamentalism in religion, in economics, in militarism, in politics.

    All facts and all results always validate the faith. That's a hallmark of any fundamentalism, and it's a hallmark of Republicanism here in the American Reaganocracy.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:50:22 AM PDT

  •  He Changed the Speech (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, JC from IA

    This is the latest right-wing noise machine talking point, that their "exposing" the President's "socialist" original speech caused him to change it at the last minute (well, yesterday)! This morning driving into work I heard two "morning show" conservatives talk about "what must have been in the original speech," one even calling it a "Stalinist speech."

    I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man - Thomas Jefferson

    by Twistyman on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:51:02 AM PDT

    •  wow-wee (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Matt Z, Pris from LA
      Quick, someone confiscate the white house dumpster!!!  I'm certain that the hammer and sickle Obami was going to hold during his speech-- before the patriot invervention that exposed his intentions-- are in there somewhere!!  Not only that, his new black knee high combat boots are in there too!  I'm sure of it.

      For the good of the country, seize that dumpster now!!!

      The GOP: Amateur Hour 24 Hours A Day

      by wastelandusa on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:58:15 AM PDT

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      •  Nothing There... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Matt Z

        ...which only PROVES he's trying to hide something. The lack of evidence is powerful conspiratorial evidence, don't cha know.

        I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man - Thomas Jefferson

        by Twistyman on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:17:48 AM PDT

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      •  From Media Matters (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Matt Z

        "Limbaugh says "original intent" of Obama's speech to students was "right out of the pages of" Kim Jong Il"

        I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man - Thomas Jefferson

        by Twistyman on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 11:20:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  We will get the same thing after his next speech: (1+ / 0-)
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      "He was going to ABANDON the Public Option until the 'Progressives' forced him to support it in his speech!"

      See Daily Kos front-pagers for details.

  •  Call to support your local school district (1+ / 0-)
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    If your local school district took positive stand on President Obama's speech today, call the superintendent's office and offer your support. My local district's office was grateful to know they got it right, because apparently they had been getting some negative calls. I mentioned that I'm a taxpayer, and a grandparent.

    Good thing we've still got politics in Texas -- finest form of free entertainment ever invented.- Molly Ivins

    by loblolly on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:51:49 AM PDT

  •  Reaganomics (1+ / 0-)
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    With St Ronnie's help, the US is the only industrialized nation without government health care, and with the smallest, weakest, unionization.  I'm old enough to blame the decline of our economy on the demise of the air controllers--while the AFL/CIO slept.

  •  The republican rebuttal to the stay in (1+ / 0-)
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    school speech. NO! Don't stay in school.

  •  IOKIYAH (1+ / 0-)
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    It's Okay If You're A Hypocrite...

    The new healthcare reform bill is sorta like the Bible; those who claim to know what's in it haven't actually read it...

    by wry twinger on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:55:21 AM PDT

  •  These people are just nuts (Repugs). Bottom line: (0+ / 0-)

    it's a racist thing, pure and simple.  And the media should be calling it was it is.

    Dems=Majority now. Pass HCR because excuses are like assholes, everybody has one.

    by jdmorg on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:56:52 AM PDT

  •  AA & Latino Kids will see speech! (5+ / 0-)

    Make no mistake...it wasn't just 'their' kids the right-wing was worried about.  Obama is talking to ALL kids and making them a part of the fabric of this nation.  They tried to stop it...but just made it more popular.  AA and Latino parents are making an effort to get this speech in front of our kids!!  Another dumb right-wing move!

  •  The media thinks the republicans are on a roll (0+ / 0-)

    but they don't see the fact the GOP isn't adressing the central concerns important to the American people. Until they do, they will be kept far from government.

    "If you come to a fork in the road, take it." - Yogi Berra

    by brooklynbadboy on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:57:22 AM PDT

  •  Unless it's social and poitical (0+ / 0-)

    ultra-conservatism, it's bad.

    And for each and every underdog soldier in the night/ And we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing -- Bob Dylan

    by Patty SoandSo on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 09:59:23 AM PDT

  •  They're really not that different from Iran's... (0+ / 0-)
    leaders, who are going to purge liberal arts from the universities.  The only way Iran's Ayatollah and our own Republicans can promote their sick, sad agendas is through forced indoctrination.

    pre-emptive war · collective punishment · torture | 21st century values you won't get prosecuted for

    by The Dead Man on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:00:11 AM PDT

  •  As I said when the transcript was released, (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, Pris from LA

    Obama's talk was far less ideological than Reagan or Bush 1.

    But that does not matter; just the act of the POTUS speaking to school children was UNPRECEDENTED, according to the wingnuts!  Had NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!

    And, even when shown the video tape, it still NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!  Everyone on FOX knows this, how come nobody else is telling the truth?

    See, this is one of those times when I think we can safely use the word 'stupid' to describe NoNo and his little yup-yups.  And, we should.  People behaving stupidly do NOT have a constitutional right to not have their noses rubbed in their shit.  In fact, I consider it a civic duty to point out and discourage stupidity in public discourse, particularly when it is willful.

  •  At one time, it would have been cathartic (2+ / 0-)
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    to make fun of the right wing.  Now it feels like banging fists against a brick wall.

    What teabagging parties, "death panel" talk and censoring of a sitting President prove is that we've lost the political narrative in this country more completely than we thought possible.

    Party affiliation, polling numbers etc. mean less all the time.  We have a majority, and we still can't move forward.

    I hope we can get sanity restored to the political process in my lifetime, but I'm not optimistic.

    It is scarcely possible to conceive of the laws of motion if one looks at them from a tennis ball's point of view. (Brecht)

    by dotalbon on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:07:36 AM PDT

  •  Anything Obama does, the right wing will react (2+ / 0-)
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    in one of two ways:  either vilify him and call him traitorous, socialist, dictatorial or unfit to lead; or claim that he is copying them, as their ideas are the only ones that possibly can be right for this country.

  •  I am disappointed (2+ / 0-)
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    At this point, the administration should not be answering this kind of question.  They should be focused on tomorrow's health care speech.

    They should have known that this could happen, and the school speech should have been next week or next month.  How can they be so oblivious to what is an obvious tactic?

    And for tomorrow's speech, he has had many occasions to address the American people on health care.  If he does not offer something different than all of his prior speeches, he cannot expect a different response.  Who said that the definition of insanity is to repeat your past actions and expect a different outcome.  

    The staff has not been particularly helpful to the President, but then, he is the one that needs to show more leadership.

    Send your college kid a little love www.gfhshop.com

    by graybeard on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:09:35 AM PDT

    •  A speech to inspire children to do well (1+ / 0-)
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      this school year, logically needs to be done at the beginning of the school year.  I disagree that it should have been held back.  I believe in universal health care, so do not think I am minimizing the importance of that issue.  I do sincerely believe, however, that President Obama is first and foremost a father.  His children reflect the results of the perfection that he is striving for in his role as their father.  I honor this fine, decent person for wanting all children to achieve and learn and excel, just like he wants this for his two daughters.  

      •  That is true, (0+ / 0-)

        but his support team has allowed him to become a football - torn between this issue and that.  Some serious management of his monumental appeal would really help, before it is all squandered away.

        Send your college kid a little love www.gfhshop.com

        by graybeard on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:49:48 AM PDT

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      •  Let me expand my response (0+ / 0-)

        An old friend of mine was the Chairman of our county's Board of Supervisors.  One of the other Supervisors was a bit of a pain but was intensely interested in his topics.  When the other Supervisor would become intrusive on any public topic, the Chairman would "release a rabbit" - a topic that he knew would attract the attention of the other.  e.g. He would point out that the local bus company was closing a stop that some citizens needed.  The  Supervisor would spend two days chasing the bus cimnpany, the local Planning Commission, the local newspaper, et. al.  During those two days, the Supervisor was out of the Chairman's hair.  Later of course, he would help with the problem.

        What has happened here is that the whole school speech issue is a rabbit that all herein have chased all over the yard.  Unfortunately, it was the White House that released the rabbit that they then had to chase.  

        The management of the administration has been naive in the extreme.

        Send your college kid a little love www.gfhshop.com

        by graybeard on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 11:23:14 AM PDT

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  •  Caroline Myss: Crimes Against Soul of America.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Dumming Down

    "... I can't begin to count the number of times I listened to Bush joke about his own lack of intelligence before an audience. The audience members that included some now former as well as present members of the Congress and Senate, actually laughed as he made these comments. Whether they were laughing with him or at him, I couldn't tell. I know I was laughing at him, but I was also embarrassed and ashamed that this man was leading our country. How could he possibly joke about his lack of intelligence before a State Dinner? How could he laugh about his inability to comprehend matters of great importance? Why would he think that the public would find that funny? And if the public did find that funny, shame on them.

    The vice-presidential candidate that the Republicans ran in the past election against Obama was of equal educational quality. We all know who I mean, Miss Lipstick-on-a-Pig. Even her humor is low-class, in keeping with her intelligence. One has to ask, "So this was the candidate Republicans believed could handle the cosmic-sized dilemmas we now have facing this nation?" Sarah Palin? Are they nuts? Listening to those Republicans lie about their support of her in the face of the crises facing this nation was a crime against the soul of America. Why? Because they did not believe a word of what they were saying and that was obvious. Most of them could barely cough up their contrived words of support. How they could possibly live with themselves is beyond me. But that is the blessing, I suppose, of having no conscience whatsoever. You're free to say whatever is required in the moment. But if you want to talk about an educational violation, Palin is the poster child. She is a perfect example of the success of the "dumbing down of America" program. No wonder she is a Republican. Birds of a feather, as the saying goes. But you have to give credit where credit is due, yes? So no wonder they fear Obama coming near the classroom. Republicans have little experience with a refined intellect. (They probably are wondering how Obama escaped the, "dumbing down" system. They certainly didn't. Check out Eric Cantor. There's a "dumbing down" success story if I've ever met one.)"

    From Huff Post

  •  Obama is Trying to Make Our Children Think (3+ / 0-)
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    If that were to occur, the right wing would be in a lot of trouble in about 15 years.

    The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by easong on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:10:49 AM PDT

  •  Better Education (1+ / 0-)
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    It becoming abundantly clear that this country needs better education.  People that listen to the media (any media) and don't do a fact check are so ignorant.  This whole country has gone nuts with the insanity of the stupidity.  Obviously so biased that they don't want the children to know that they could also be President of this country someday.  Back, Brown, Pink, Yellow doesn't matter with smart people.  Thinking does. OMG, a person with Mexican immigrant parents might become President, OMG! Ignorant, stupid and insane. Don't listen you might become infected with intelligence.  Never in my very long life have I seen such rediculousness.

    Bring back the Constitution of the United States.

    by libbie on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:11:03 AM PDT

  •  Thanks to the right-wingers (1+ / 0-)
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    MaikeH

    President Obama's speech has gotten a lot more attention than it ever would have. In retrospect, it may get more attention than the conservatives would have wanted, especially when people discover President Obama is pushing American values.

  •  I do believe he was pointing to the (0+ / 0-)

    token black kid in the audience when he said the Negro private colleges and universities.

    Well....at least the old timer didn't call him colored.

    What is this? Are you some kind of hypnotist? Waving your powers around...

    by Muskegon Critic on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:14:32 AM PDT

  •  Yeah but the difference is (0+ / 0-)
    Obama is black. It's honestly that simple unfortunately. I mean, it's not like the name Barack is any less peculiar sounding than "Ronald"
    So it's great when a white guy name "Ronald" spreads his political ideology of limited government to classrooms while referring to  his support for the "negros" but pull the kids out when a black guy named Barack talks about staying in school and studying hard!

    Excuse me while I VOMIT!

  •  You are just driving yourself crazy (0+ / 0-)

    You are looking for rational in an insane world.

    I go to places like mises.org every once and a while to deconstruct whatever fantasies they are constructing, and it helps a bit. Sound logic and reasoning enrages then.

    There are a lot of confused, scared people out there with half their retirement gone, who see the banks engorging themselves, and hear $6 trillion, and become irrational.

    Now that the crisis has past, I think Obama should give a national speech in which he tells Congress to stop ransoming the country to the banks.

    Too-big-to-fail is even bigger, and the only regulations changed are ones that greatly lowered accounting standards to make it easier to hide losses. That's not what we meant by change. We are progressives, not regressives.

  •  " (long pause) ...................... (1+ / 0-)
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    negro schools ..."

    See also:

    * civil rights;

    * lawn jockeys

    "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary." -Handmaid's Tale

    by Cenobyte on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:19:18 AM PDT

  •  Why They Are Going Crazy (0+ / 0-)

    Look, these parents have spent the better part of this year demonizing Obama to their kids.  If they allow him to talk directly to them in an honest and non-objectionable way, you know, show him as the President, and not the great Destroyer Satan of America, then all their hard work will be undone.

    I will not speak with disrespect of the Republican Party. I always speak with respect of the past. -Woodrow Wilson

    by Gangster Octopus on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:20:24 AM PDT

  •  If it was wrong... (0+ / 0-)

    for Reagan to do it, and Obama is doing the same thing, why isn't THAT wrong?  

  •  New Paltz NY public schools did not show speech (2+ / 0-)
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    New Paltz NY public schools did not show speech.  I called Superintendent's office (who made the call to not show speech, not local principals) and they gave the lame excuse that they had insufficient time to schedule speech...there's an effin 42' LCD TV in every classroom and they know how to run a fire drill.

    New Paltz is DFH Central.    
    Mr. Fan meet Mr. S&*t.

    Midshipmen are persons of integrity: They stand for that which is right. They tell the truth and ensure that the full truth is known. They do not lie.

    by sullynyc on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:23:19 AM PDT

  •  A Republican Strategist on MSNBC (4+ / 0-)
    Actually argued (and in doing so he said he is a "pastor" at an inner city Washington D.C. Christian Church) that parents were upset because the president is a "charismatic, eloquent, persuasive,etc..." president, perhaps the "most eloquent"  president in recent memory (hahahahaha - Bush didn't quite make it) and they "couldn't compete... with him...in winning the hearts and minds..." of the children, their children when the discussion will turn to other issues, like "school vouchers." So, if the children learn to like the president now, they might question their parents political beliefs in the future because the president seduced them now! WTF? Dr. Nancy and the Democratic Strategist both responded that this would then be a perfect opportunity for those conservative parents to discuss this around the dinner table.

    They are ridiculous and absurd. I am sitting here in disbelief that the Republicans aren't laughed out of the discussion at every turn, laughed out of the room when they make ridiculous statements such as, "parents were concerned the president would politicize his speech,"  and then, in their criticism, politiize it by turning the discussion to school vouchers (saying the president strongly opposes them) which were in no way a part of the presiden'ts speech.  More and more, I feel like an alien on this US soil.  What happened to intelligent debate, reason and class and grace and dignity? The Republican conservative side has been taken over by absolutley ignorant and boorish and asinine folks.  

    I used to complain that the cable news channels (MSNBC and CNN) were doing a disservice to the American public by presenting opposing views on each and every issue as if the opposing sides had equal value, in every discussion.  Now I see that any reasonable person, in a discussion on the president Obama's school sppech, would readily see the ridiculous nature of the Republican side.  So, let them make fools of themselves.  They certainly did that in this case.

    •  He inadvertantly ran into the truth, is all (1+ / 0-)
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      NoNo is scared absolutely shitless that the kids might like the Negro and develop an inconvenient early brand loyalty to the Dems.

      This manufactured outrage about a POTUS speaking to school children has never been about anything else.

  •  No one told Reagan that 4th graders couldn't vote (0+ / 0-)

    At least Obama's speech addresses an issue that is important to the students and that should be important to their parents as well.

  •  Gawd, Reagan sounded senile in '88 (0+ / 0-)

    I realize he probably sounded like that well before then (I've heard about the legendary '84 first debate). But forgive me, as I was but a wee little toddler and today have no memory of the Reagan years.

  •  probably in the early stages (0+ / 0-)

    the Reagan of 1980 was a lot more with it than the one in 1988, whi was 77  by then. I think he was pretty much out of the loop his second term.

  •  delegitimize every democrat (0+ / 0-)

    Right-wing strategy is to delegitimize every Democratic president. They used to do it fairly unconsciously.  They did it to the communist dictator FDR and to the pope-following anti-christian communist sympathizer JFK and to Bill Clinton.  But they realized how effective it is and now they use it as an official strategy.  They find themselves supported by a media addicted to circuses.  It puts the Dems on the defensive, boxes them in and activates right-wing base hysteria.  The Dems are always left explaining themselves.

    There needs to be an effective counter-strategy.

  •  Please post video this on youtube (1+ / 0-)
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    thanks

    "We will now proceed to construct the socialist order."

    by 7November on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 10:58:58 AM PDT

  •  when we do it, it's POLITICAL !! (0+ / 0-)

    First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by ezdidit on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 11:04:26 AM PDT

  •  wHEN TEABAGGERS DO IT, IT'S FREE SPEECH. (0+ / 0-)

    BUT WHEN dfh's DO IT, IT'S SCARY socialism.

    First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by ezdidit on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 11:05:26 AM PDT

  •  Jed, I know you're busy right now :-) but (2+ / 0-)
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    how about working the two speeches together? Just the difference in the reactions of the kids is priceless.

    Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world.

    by kafkananda on Tue Sep 08, 2009 at 11:10:23 AM PDT

  •  Presidents lead, Bush wars! (0+ / 0-)

    Bush would have loved to be a 'tator...and he was a

    TatorHead

    The WhiteHouse is not Buckingham Palace, and our President is not a figurehead (used to be, but not since King George). He was elected, duly this time since it is impossible to argue that we threw an election to get a blackman into a Whitehouse.

    Presidents set the tone for the nation, for the world. They have agendas, policies, and the welfare of the American people should be at their heart.

  •  The Republican Response to all this makes sense (1+ / 0-)
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    Why is everyone acting so surprised that the Republicans would raise all this hell about the President encouraging students to stay in school and do well?

    Read up on the demographics. It is very true that, statistically, the less education a person has, the greater the chance they will vote Republican. I'm not making it up...just a fact. Most all the states with the lowest ranked standardized test results and the highest dropout rates are Red states.

    If the Republicans are trying to look towards the future, then this strategy makes perfect sense to me. Why would they want people to get educated?

  •  Pres. Reagan's (0+ / 0-)

    speech was informative and gave a positive outlook for the next generations. Pres. Obama's speech was not unlike Reagan's in that it also encouraged the students to excel. The indoctrination comes not from these speeches but from what the educators in charge of the students promote afterwards. The twisting of meanings, non-contextual comments and self-agendas are the culprits, not the Presidential efforts here. Parental influence has more to do with the political outcome of a young student's lean, than anything any president can say when the child is not of legal age.

  •  What did my school district in WV do about (0+ / 0-)

    the Obama's speech? Our superintendent left it up to the classroom teacher to decide whether they would show it. One student, a Jehovah Witness, didn't watch.  

    After the speech, my students wrote poems using amazing metaphors like: education is a mirror, education is a path , education is a ladder etc......

  •  PUT THIS ON YOUTUBE (0+ / 0-)

    DailyKOS needs to put these videos on Youtube, plain and simple. Access to large audience but most importantly, technological penetration -- many social networking sites have built-in Youtube embedding support but few have DailyKOS TV embedding support.

  •  Reagan\Bush\Clinton (0+ / 0-)

    The three worst Presidents in American history!

    Trickle down Reganonomics turn out to be just a trick. That lets the bankers and other corporates steal all the money. Ketchup is still a vegetable in school lunches, but we have to back the bankers that screwed us in the first place!

    Schools? Oh my God, how can the Rapebulican Party allow a black man to address education? They might have to learn something and earn respect!

    Indoctrined? Eisenhower warned us, watch the tv and internet commercials! Then buy into it!

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