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I strongly reject the statement that we "get the laws and government we deserve." This is the same radical-right blame-the-victim mentality that allows people who simply work hard and buy into the American dream, only to be trampled and then left shaking their heads wondering where they went wrong.

I strongly reject the statement that we "get the laws and government we deserve."

This is the same radical-right blame-the-victim mentality that allows people who simply work hard and buy into the American dream, only to be trampled and then left shaking their heads wondering where they went wrong.

No, there's been a systematic dismantling of civil and social protections, with a concurrent building of corporate welfare (on a scale far, far greater than anything "Cadillac Queens" or any other urban myth ever 'ripped off the taxpayers' over). The stand-on-your-own-feet party has provided in loans or guarantees an amount (some $14 trillion, according to Bloomberg.com) to the financiers even greater then the alarming national debt ($11.8 Trillion), while keeping in place a tax code that lets billionaires like Warren Buffet to pay a lower rate than his secretary (as he himself has admitted, in a rare bit of honesty for a person in his tax bracket). We cap Social Security deductions at $106,000 and then wonder why the fund will go broke in a couple of decades, when what we should be doing is eliminating the cap entirely and then lowering the deduction for EVERYONE - effectively providing a tax break for 97% of American workers, while making the top 3% pay their fair share. We fight the two most expensive wars in American history, by far (and two of the longest - Afghanistan is already longer then our involvement in BOTH World Wars combined), while, for the first time in American history, NOT raising taxes to pay for them. Instead, Bush told us to just "go shopping" after 9/11.

Starting with Ronald Reagan/James Watt, we give away billions in valuable land to the oil companies, who sit on it, drilling nothing, while they collect obscene profits just by virtue of speculators who drive oil prices to $147/barrel, while collecting hundreds of millions themselves.

We allow, even encourage the most egregious forms of speculation, driving people out of homes they could never have afforded, while calling such securitization, the "Free Market."

Finally, when we're reeling with debt on every level - personal, corporate, and governmental, we're told that Universal Health Care, which is provided not only by every industrialized country in the world, but by such forward-looking countries as Rwanda, is unaffordable!

Then, because we're MAD AS HELL, AND WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE, we vote enthusiastically in record numbers for a man who promises change from all this. And, what do we get? We get a one war oh-so-gradually wound down, with uncertain consequences and uncertain goals, while another, potentially much bigger quagmire, is ramped up. We get a bailout of the financial criminal class even greater than his predecessor (that supposedly Free-Market Laissez-Faire President) accomplished. We get healthcare "reform" that imposes a tax on the poor, punishing them for not buying dysfunctional healthcare they couldn't afford in the first place.. We get to look forward to a climate change bill that under the guise of cap and trade is really a way for the financial bubble machine to Trade Capital - to themselves - while actually making the environment worse by eliminating the EPA's power to enforce protection, delaying requirements to build clean power plants until 2020 (10 years!), and set up a complicated, unenforceable system of carbon trades so arcane only the financiers will understand it - though even then, they will manage to produce yet another spectacular boom and bust cycle.

No, whatever our personal failings, whatever our shortcomings in the race against bankers whose only real talent is to convince other people to give them their money, we don't deserve this. We don't deserve to be raked over the hot and dirty coals while our pockets are emptied, just because we were naive enough to believe in the constitution and the American Dream. We don't deserve to see no inflation-adjusted growth in income in 30 years for the bottom 80% of earners, and an actual decline in the last ten, according to the Census Bureau.

No way.

Originally posted to Scott on the Spot on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:09 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Sometimes you get the govt. you deserve (3+ / 0-)
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    chipoliwog, lawman, Ezekial 23 20

    Nobody deserved to have Dumbya foisted on them in November, 2000, particularly considering that he wasn't actually the winner of that contest.

    On the other hand, after four years of inappropriately jocular English-mangling simian behavior, he won the popular vote and the electoral college. I will never understand how the American people allowed that to happen. The rest of the world could only gasp and wonder how in heck otherwise rational people could restore such an unserious and inept politician to such a great office.

    WWJD? I'll tell you - Jesus gave free health care.

    by Bobs Telecaster on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:14:30 AM PDT

    •  Cause Rove and Blackwell (1+ / 0-)
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      Radical def

      stole Ohio in 2004.

      Let tyrants fear.-Queen Elizabeth I

      by Virginia mom on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:23:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  he was a wartime incumbent (0+ / 0-)

      Historically, they never lose.

      Also: "We're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here," "If we make the wrong choice the danger is we'll get hit again," etc.

      After 9/11, people were high on fear and paranoia and not listening to reason, and as a consequence Bush was able to win the popular vote by playing the tough guy.

      What that should tell you is that if we experience another similarly traumatic event, we will vote someone in who's even crazier than Bush, without asking too many questions.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:26:50 AM PDT

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    •  The Supremes did it (0+ / 0-)

      We got Bush because of the Supreme Court. They don't answer to the people and there is no way to appeal their ruling. FWIW, the reich wing nuts are out-numbered by the reasonably sensible. They just shout louder. We take back the government when we vote out the Corporatists.
      I for one want Obama primaried out and one of our own put up for election. I was nervous about him but I voted for this corporatist shill. He has a great act. He makes one think he is a good man but when push comes to shove he rolls over and shows his corporatist spots. He has got to go along with all the Blue Dog/Corporatists in the House and Senate. We have been here before and turned it around. We can do it again.

  •  We sure as hell do. (3+ / 0-)
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    Pesto, chipoliwog, Dems 2008

    Our government is of the people, by the people, for the people.  People have the power.

    And if our government (or corporations, bankers, and Wall Street - since today they're the same thing) isn't afraid of the people, that a pretty good sign the people aren't in charge any more.

  •  And we get it good and hard (2+ / 0-)
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    Dems 2008, Ezekial 23 20

    With apologies to HLM.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:20:11 AM PDT

  •  "Change" in Obama's world means... (3+ / 0-)

    appeasing the rethugs and win their approval.

    He knows the Dems have nowhere else to go, so all we get is some purty speeches every once in a while.

    Only the truly brainwashed can't see that President Obama is completely different from Candidate Obama.

    Candidate Obama was decisive, visionary and courageous.

    Compare that to the current President Obama. The one who now says Public Option is not mandatory. The one that refuses to prosecute Bush and Cheney for war crimes. The one who keeps the Iraq War going. The one who won't repeal DODT. The one who bails out Wall Street and Banks with public money.

    Does that sound like change to you? I didn't think so.

    (Gay) money stops and Obama jumps!

    by Dems 2008 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:24:37 AM PDT

    •  it's slightly worse than that (3+ / 0-)
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      lawman, Dems 2008, nippersdad

      The Democratic leadership, Obama included, is happy to let the batshit teabaggers push the political debate even further to the right.

      That way, it's easier for them to stay in the "middle", and there's less chance they will be called upon to challenge the status quo. When they fail to live up to their promises, they can appease their base by blaming the obstructionism of the right wing for their failures.

      Obama and the people around him think they can use the hard-right to cover their own political asses. A breathtakingly cynical and dangerous gambit, to elevate the extreme right to such a central position in our political system. But that is what our Tory Democratic leaders are doing.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:30:52 AM PDT

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  •  Obama (0+ / 0-)

    Obama was one of the least progressive candidates in the primaries--the media dubbed him liberal because of his skin color--and their racism.  He has wasted his popularity doing the bidding for Goldman/Sachs.  So many kossacks are in denial about his lack of "change."  

    The future is bleaker than the present.  The economy will still be in the crapper next year, and in 2012--and the Republicans will successfully blame it on Obama--and the media will ignore that it was Bush's doing.  

    •  They will try (1+ / 0-)
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      nippersdad

      ".....the Republicans will successfully blame it on Obama--and the media will ignore that it was Bush's doing."

      They will try but I think the Repukes are not what the people want. We should primary Obama and run a real progressive Democrat and our votes will not stay home. That is what worries me. That voters will stay home in disgust at the choice. Then maybe, just maybe a Repuke can win. Primary Obama and that picture changes.

    •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

      The economy will still be in the crapper next year, and in 2012--and the Republicans will successfully blame it on Obama--and the media will ignore that it was Bush's doing.  

      The economy hit the deck under Bush, but the seeds of the debacle started before 2000 with the deregulation of the banking industry under Clinton. The Democratic Party had as much to do with setting up the implosion as any Republican Corporatist movement. Obama has done nothing whatsoever to address this issue other than to extend Bush era policies which reward banks for their ineptitude.

      There were many ways that this problem could have been effectively addressed, all of which have been studiously ignored. A case could be made that that which he has done has actually exacerbated the underlying structural inefficiencies and practices which led to the problem in the first place.

      Come 2012, Obama will own the economy and that is as it should be, lest we also become subject to the Orwellian revisionist history so beloved of the Republican Party.

      A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

      by nippersdad on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 11:44:00 AM PDT

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      •  Greenspan (0+ / 0-)

        Clinton reappointed Greenspan--and that was wrong.  However, if Gore would have succeeded Bill, actions and reactions would have been different.  Would they have been effective--Scalia made sure we'll never know.  NAFTA also turned out to be a mistake--but that's hindsight.  A different president than Bush would have prevented much of the damage--probably.  Hard to blame Bill for shitting hitting the fan 7 years after he left office.

        •  Gore was also DLC. (0+ / 0-)

          Look at the difference between the VP and the Gore of today. Difficult to say that Gore would have done any better than Obama is right now; Rubinites are still the flavor of the hour.

          A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

          by nippersdad on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:02:14 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  comparison (1+ / 0-)
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            Virginia mom

            Compare Gore to Bush--there would have been substantial differences--especially the possible prevention or reaction to 9/11.  Also, we would have been trying to get greener sooner--and maybe that would have created a better bubble for society than liar loans.

            •  We don't know that. (0+ / 0-)

              Compare Bush to Lieberman and HRC. The pressures brought to bear by the DLC have the ability to warp personal preferences and I doubt that Gore was a strong enough pol to stand up to them. His record as VP proves it.

              I like the guy, don't get me wrong, but I think there is more to the equation than you are willing to admit.

              A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

              by nippersdad on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:17:39 PM PDT

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        •  NAFTA being bad (0+ / 0-)

          was not hindsight.  Labor and the left knew it was a bad deal for working people to begin with, and that's how it's turned out.  

          "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

          by Pesto on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 01:00:50 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Good points do not justify a jive analysis (1+ / 0-)
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    relentless

    It never fails to amaze and dismay me, how so many "progressives" seem to completely buy into the right wing reactionary conservative Faux "News" meme that the American peoples ever "chose" the Republicans to "lead" us, that the US is really a "center/right" nation, or that the American peoples are stupid sheep and swine, who "deserve" whatever they get.

    None of that jive is true.  

    Public opinion polls indicate that a very large majority of the peoples of the US are very substantially opposed to racism, sexism, eco-rape, corporate rip off and murderous profiteering imperialist wars.

    The right has been politically incorrect for a long time now, and that has reached a critical mass with the election of Obama, and a Progressive Caucus majority within the Democratic majority in Congress, on his coat tails.

    The Republicans have stolen and held the power just barely, every time, by hook and by crook, these many years, mainly due to low voter turnout and vote splitting, and a lot of dirty tricks...there has never been anywhere near a genuine popular democratic mandate in their favor.  

    Furthermore, all this crap about Obama and "teh Democrats" being "the same" as the Republicans is nothing but a duplicious COINTELPRO ploy aimed at demoralizing and prodding Democrats to abandon the party for guaranteed loser "alternative" parties, or to subscribe to hard-left calls for electoral boycott.

    There's only one legitimate course of action ahead, and that is to democratically, electorally, purge the Blue Dogs and what remains of the Republicans, to the greatest extent possible in 2010 and 2012, to seize the power with a Progressive Caucus super majority in the Congress, and all down the ladders of power, to the state and local levels, on their coat tails.

    Then, and only then, we can cut off at the knees all the jive "debate" and sabotage, and surge forward into the 21st Century, for justice and peace, to save the planet.

    This will not be accomplished by indiscriminately, irrationally, slagging Obama and the Democrats, and continued calls to split or boycott the vote, over a lot of contrived frustrated angst about the harsh cold reality of the continuing real-politik of a present remnant Blue Dog/Republican cabal with a plurality sufficient to block, delay or sabotage any forward motion.  

    It's absolute bullshit, to ignore that real politik, and to posture and pose in feigned outrage over the failure of the Democrats to move faster and further to the left.

    It's on us, to "make" them move, and there's only one way to do that.

    The right has consistently mobilized it's entire constituency, and has no electoral reserves to call up for the impending final showdown...it's ours to win...or to lose.

    Some 100 miliion eligibles did not vote, even for Obama, primarily due to disgust with the Blue Dogs, and a perception of "no difference" between the parties.

    It's time to call off the boycott and splitting rhetoric, and to unite, to block the right from all levers of power...then, we can sort out the bourgeois liberals.

    Sieze the Time!

    All Out for 2010 and 2012!

    Seize the Power!

    "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

    by Radical def on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:25:21 PM PDT

  •  Our elected government doesn't get the health (0+ / 0-)

    insurance they deserve.  They deserve no health insurance paid for by us, the taxpayer, because they are not getting good insurance and health benefits for the rest of us.

    They deserve $1500 deductibles and $5000 stop losses and to pay $50 copay for all doctors.  They deserve to have their insurance dropped in the middle of a serious illness.

    To put it clearly, so the gov can get a clue,
    Nelson and the others deserve nothing from the average person. I get a little sick when I think of the way the Nelson and Lincoln and their ilk are doing the USA citizens.

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