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In this week's Hill column, I made a pretty stupid mistake -- I confused Tennessee Blue Dog Jim Cooper with Arkansas Blue Dog Mike Ross in regards to the crooked land deal. I apologize for that mistake.

But beyond that, Cooper's response to my column is an exercise in hilarity:

Not only the Daily Kos but also Firedoglake has accused me of being against "the public option." The truth is that I have been a leader in trying to define what a public option really could mean, and I have repeatedly stated that there are several definitions that I support. By my calculation, there are about 18 ways to define a public option and at least half of them could win my support and, in my opinion, a majority in Congress.

See? He's a leader in coming up with a dictionary definition of "public option"! And NO ONE will recognize him for that bold leadership!!!!

Of course, the only bill that he supports does NOT include the public option, and the one that does, he opposes. But that's just semantics, because you see, there are 18 ways to define a public option, and HALF of them would earn his support!

What are those 18 definitions? Who the heck knows. You can't expect Cooper to show any leadership by, you know, explaining those 18 different public plans. And forget about the kind of leadership that would lead him to introduce a plan, because if you were a leader in defining the 18 different types of public plan, you'd think you'd also be a leader by choosing one and giving the world the Jim Cooper Health Care plan.

But there's a saying in Tennessee -- "Any mule can kick a barn down; it takes a carpenter to build one." And Cooper is more content to kick down existing plans in allegiance to his insurance company patrons than to actually work to fix the problem. That's why his constituents aren't happy with his performance, and why he's going to have to fight for his political life next year.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:50 PM PDT.

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  •  Leader (5+ / 0-)

    See the first brain addled Lemming who leads the others off the cliff

    •  Cooper in 1994 (1+ / 0-)
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      Jim Cooper is the guy who scuttled Hillary's healthcare plan under President Clinton.

      From a 1994 artcle,

      It has also become a pocketbook issue for Mr. Cooper, and whatever the fate of his health plan, he is already a winner.

      In less than a year, the mild-mannered Democrat from the most rural House district in Tennessee has become the toast of health care providers and insurance companies, which have channeled tens of thousands of dollars of contributions to his campaign for a Senate seat.

      Mr. Cooper is only one of the many politicians benefiting from the fund-raising frenzy set off by the national dialogue over health care.

      Since drug companies, hospitals, insurers and doctors have so much at stake in the legislation that may emerge from the Congress, many are investing all they can in lawmakers whose proposals would be most favorable to them -- or the least damaging.

      They are showering millions of dollars in donations to members of Congress with prominent roles in the debate, like Mr. Cooper, whose plan is the alternative to President Clinton's proposal most often preferred by business because it neither requires employers to provide coverage nor limits insurance premiums.

  •  Both Cooper and Ross need (5+ / 0-)

    a primary.

    "Free your mind & your ass will follow" Parliament Funkadelics

    by TomP on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:51:48 PM PDT

    •  Both are examples of (5+ / 0-)

      "More and shittier Democrats".

      "You can never guarantee victory, but you can guarantee defeat."--Hall of Fame baseball writer Leonard Koppett.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:55:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Another good thing about primarying these guys (2+ / 0-)
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        Dump Terry McAuliffe, TomP

        Is it will freshen up their state DNC's.

        I live in Maryland, home to maybe the laziest and short sighted state parties.

        I really wish we had some primaries here, funny enough there is Mikulski on RECORD saying she had wanted to retire, but the state party was too lazy to find and help campaign for a new Senator.

        there is still time, at NN09 I asked Markos personally to consider encouraging Donna Edwards to run.
        No reason she couldn't that would be an EASY win in this state.


        by George Pirpiris on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:58:58 PM PDT

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        •  Our state party is pathetic (2+ / 0-)
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          TomP, Super Grover

          I live in Michigan, and our state party is a sclerotic gerontocracy the likes of which have not been seen since the Soviet Union collapsed, taking the Politburo down with it.

          We've had the same state chairman since 1996, and the rules entrench incumbent party officers to the point that they're as immovable as members of the College of Cardinals.

          "You can never guarantee victory, but you can guarantee defeat."--Hall of Fame baseball writer Leonard Koppett.

          by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:04:13 PM PDT

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    •  Jim Cooper's record... (2+ / 0-)
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      GayHillbilly, TomP

      On healthcare reform in general is none too good, as Markos has pointed out several times. His family is wealthy; his father is a former governor of Tennessee. For those among many reasons I've never understood why he has repeaatedly chosen to make health insurers his masters instead of the constituents he's been elected to serve.

      Came and spoke to a YDNC State Convention many years ago (personal note here: he's a fellow alumnus of my undergrad alma mater, UNC-Chapel Hill, where he was a Morehead Scholar, the most prestigious scholarship award the University provides). Very nice of him to attend, but many of us could not help but notice he seemed to be saddled with a very arrogant persona. Wonder if that same personality trait comes out when he's speaking to a health insurers' convention?

      "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."--Miguel De Santa Anna

      by GainesT1958 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:32:55 PM PDT

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  •  I'm guessing that (0+ / 0-)

    with the health care lobby cash he's been stuffing in his pants pockets, Cooper's idea of a public option means - no public option.

    "I feel stupid and contagious. Here we are now, entertain us" - Kurt Cobain 1991

    by Jeff Y on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:52:44 PM PDT

  •  Much as I disagree with Jim Cooper, ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... I respect that he knows what he is doing here, and knows how the bill works.  That's more than can be said of most members of Congress -- including members who serve on committees that have jurisdiction on this bill and the House and Senate leadership.

    jim bow, ASA, MAAA

    by jim bow on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:53:10 PM PDT

    •  But didn't he personally kill the 92 bill? (1+ / 0-)
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      And plus, he gets advice from the crook Tom Dascle?

      As an example of bipartisan compromise, Cooper cited the health care plan outlined Wednesday by former Senate majority leaders Tom Daschle, Bob Dole and Howard Baker -- a plan that does not include a federal public option. He joined Mike Castle (R-Del.), Parker Griffith (D-Ala.) and Jo Ann Emerson (R-Mo.) to demand a final bill promoted by both sides of the aisle. The other three members of Congress also prioritized cost containment but declined to detail their goals for access or quality of care.


      by George Pirpiris on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:01:34 PM PDT

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  •  This is kind of like George W. Bush saying (6+ / 0-)

    "I have been a leader in trying to define what Iraq diplomacy really could mean."

    Good to see that Blue Dog Cooper is using Republican logic: up is down, black is white, and right is wrong.

    "You can never guarantee victory, but you can guarantee defeat."--Hall of Fame baseball writer Leonard Koppett.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:54:43 PM PDT

  •  There's also 18 ways to call someone a douchebag. (3+ / 0-)
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    Simian, one of 8, brooklynbadboy
    •  But only one Jim Cooper. n/t (2+ / 0-)

      "The future ain't what it used to be." - Yogi Berra

      by brooklynbadboy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:56:35 PM PDT

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    •  And 50 ways to leave your lover (2+ / 0-)
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      Into The Woods, Simian

      and 150 ways, easy, to lose a primary to a real Democrat.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference.

      by blue aardvark on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:01:56 PM PDT

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      •  The Problem Is All Inside Your Head (4+ / 0-)
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        Hesiod, pacplate, one of 8, blue aardvark

        50 Ways, in the political stylings of Congressman Jim Cooper:

        The problem is all inside your head
        He said to me
        The answer is easy if you
        Spin it politically
        I’d like to thwart you in your struggle
        To fire me
        There must be eighteen ways
        To define Public Option.

        On Big Insurance it’s not my habit
        To intrude
        Furthermore, I'm unconcerned if its meaning
        Might be lost or misconstrued
        But I’ll repeat myself
        At the risk of being crude
        There must be Eightenn ways
        To define Public Option.
        Eighteen ways to define Public Option.

        Just slip in a co-op, Winthrop
        (Start from scratch and) make a new plan, Stan
        We just need a decoy, Roy
        To set ourselves free
        Hop on the bus (to Canada), Gus
        You don't need to discuss much
        Just give Big Insurance the key, Lee
        And earn our big fee.

        He said it grieves me so
        To see you in such pain
        I wish there was some health care option
        That would give you care again
        I said I appreciate that
        And would you please explain
        About the Eighteen Ways
        ... - repeat chorus to end -

        •  Now how about that song being used in an ad? (2+ / 0-)
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          GayHillbilly, Into The Woods

          I was trying to think of a possible Jim Cooper definition of "public option."  Perhaps one is that people would choose which high-priced private insurance they would be mandated to purchase, but that choice must be made public, posted in the local newspaper.  There's your public option for ya.

          •  #16 Public Welfare or Public Charity (0+ / 0-)

            aka the Eric Cantor Public Option.  

          •  Cooper's 18 Public Option Models Revealed At Last (0+ / 0-)

            1.  Co-op (DIY Model - Requiring the public to build its own "option", comes complete with instructions and model airplane glue. No express or implied warranties either general or of fitness for particular purpose.  Not for sale to businesses or any sub-units of "government".)
            2.  Trigger (Requiring the public to suffer and die for a few more years based on a congressional district by district analysis of health care access, average net income, before any definition would become an option.)
            3.  Regional Limited Exchange (Allowing only some of the public the option of buying from a set of pre-qualified private health insurance companies within a state or region.)
            4.  National Limited Exchange (Allowing only some of the public the option of buying from a set of pre-qualified private health insurance companies that compete within the exchange on a national basis.)
            5.  UK National Health Services Model
            6.  The Individual Arms-Length, Equal Bargaining Position Model (The individual members of the public would each have the option to bargain at arms length with any of the big national health insurance companies for their health insurance. Note to self: I can't get them to cover my seasonal flu shot, but I'm looking forward to those negotiations on premiums and contract terms.)
            7.  Single Payer (ala Sen. Bernie Sanders and as proposed by the late Sen. Wellstone.)
            8.  Medicare Part P (Giving the public the option to buy into a revised portion of the Medicare Program, creating more bargaining power for Medicare and allowing any profits to support the growing non-revenue generating portions of the Medicare budget.)
            9.   Bare Necessities Model (The public has the option to pay for 2 and only 2 of the following basic necessities:  a. Food.  b. Shelter  c.  Health Care or d. None of the above.)
            10.  Bake Sale Model (Giving the public the option to fund by their local, voluntary purchase of baked goods what their elected representatives will not allow them to fund through their tax contributrions on a national level.  Pilot programs currently under way in North Carolina to fund treatment of brain tumors.
            11.  Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)Model ( )
            12.  Senator or Congressman Model (aka "I've Got Mine" model, giving the public the option of recieving Free Health Care for The Rest of Your Life, even if your boss later fires you for misconduct, with the only allowed pre-condition being that you get elected to the US House or US Senate at least once in your lifetime.)
            13.  Stay Healthy Model  (Offering the public the option of all the free health care they'll ever need, so long as and to the extent that they never need any. Good luck.)
            14.  Survivor - Health Care  (aka Death Panel model where the public gets to watch as select groups are given the power to decide who to kick off the health care access island.  Criteria may include ability to pay, pre-existing condition, status as victim of domestic abuse, employement as first responder, being a pregnant mother-to-be, being married to a pregnant mother-to-be, mistyping something on your application 10 years ago.  For more such criteria, see current US Health Care System.)
            15. Consent of the Governed Model  (Any other western developed nation's health care the popularity of which with that nation's citizens exceeds that of US citizenry for the US 'sytem' by at least 10% according to any of the following:
            16.  The Eric Cantor Public Option (The public must empoverish themselves to the point public welfare programs provide payment for health care or to the point that public or private charities will pay the bills.)
            17.  Paul Masson Wine Model  (Based on the principal that what ever we would define (and implement) as a public option today, will be so much better if we put it in a cool dark place for a couple more decades. PSA's for this one write themselves:
            18.  Public Option (Government administered insurance option competing in the market place and open to any US Citizen who believes that the private insurance companies offer less comptetive packages of premiums and coverage.)

            Which do you think his Big Insurance Company/Healthcare Industry patrons would authorize Cooper to actually support?

        •  That's better than mine. ;) (0+ / 0-)
  •  Dead on takedown Kos. (1+ / 0-)
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    Dump Terry McAuliffe

    How can he claim to be a leader when he says there 18 public options. Far as I can see, there are only 4 under consideration. If he has another 14, lets see them. Or, lets at least see the 7 he supports.

    "The future ain't what it used to be." - Yogi Berra

    by brooklynbadboy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:54:52 PM PDT

  •  Cooper said he agrees with Schumer (1+ / 0-)
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    I have repeatedly said that I’m FOR a public option, and that there are multiple ways to do it.  I agree with Sen. Chuck Schumer’s position on the issue, and the Daily Kos is not attacking him. The Daily Kos can assign a false position to me if it wants, but it’s not accurate.

    He likes Schumer's compromise public option.  So why's Cooper getting (well deserved) bad press in the netroots while Schumer is not?  I'm no fan of Blue Dogs, but neither am I a fan of senators in deep blue states who are choosing to not vigorously fight for a strong, robust, subsidized public option available to all on day 1.

    I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.-President Obama

    by GN1927 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:55:31 PM PDT

    •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

      I think the Schumer public option isn't that bad. The key difference that he allows the Secretary of HHS to negotiate reimbursements whereas we support Medicare + 5%. I'd take the Schumer option to get a law on the books and then pass regulatory guidance later under an appropriation bill.

      I've been predicting for some time that the Schumer option is where we will end up. I think it would be smart to go ahead and take profits on that.

      "The future ain't what it used to be." - Yogi Berra

      by brooklynbadboy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:01:40 PM PDT

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      •  Of course the Schumer option is (0+ / 0-)

        going to be where we end up; this is by design and has been going on since June---the public option has been materially weakened, will be underfunded (Schumer says no subsidies so that private insurers are assured of a "fair playing field"), and coupled with mandates.  Because there's a bunch of theater floating around insisting that there may not be a public option at all, Schumer's bs will be perceived as a palatable compromise.

        Except that a strong, viable, robust public option is the compromise.  And a chronically underfunded public option which is only slightly better than private insurance products, if at all, was NOT what was sold to the American people.

        The result will be that most of the uninsured will be gently herded into purchasing private insurance products while Schumer grandstands and pretends that he's just been looking out for the average Jane.  

        Classic Schumer maneuvering.

        Too bad for average wage earners in this country, though.

        I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.-President Obama

        by GN1927 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:07:42 PM PDT

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        •  Well, hold on a minute (1+ / 0-)
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          The medicare + 5% public option is the compromise from people who want single payer. I don't know what else it could be a compromise from.

          Secondly, don't assume that the Schumer public option wont be viable. It puts all the negotiable authority in the hands of the executive branch and that shouldn't be taken lightly. Secondly, a public option that costs the same as a private plan but does not allow for rescission is pretty good foundation to build on.

          As i've said on many occasions, the public option is going to be a revenue producer for the government. Don't underestimate Congress' ability to rub its greedy hands together on a revenue stream. Especially when deficit reduction comes down the road, don't be surprised if you see a gradual effort to make the public option more attractive to more people by gradually dialing down the Secretary of HHS's price negotiating authority and Congress fixing the prices down towards the Medicaid or Medicare reimbursement rates.

          My point is, think of this just like Social Security or Medicare which both started out with very limited eligibility and compensation standards and then grew over time. But without a law on the books, you can't do anything.

          "The future ain't what it used to be." - Yogi Berra

          by brooklynbadboy on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:18:27 PM PDT

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          •  These are concessions created (0+ / 0-)

            for the express and articulated purpose of creating the perception of a "fair playing field" for private insurers.  And I'm not sure how, given the 24/7 media environment of today, that proposing a weakened PO and creating a chronically underfunded, bureaucratic mess would yield not only a public clamoring for an extension of a poorly designed program, but preserved Democratic majorities in place to enact that legislative extension.

            So, IMO your comment is optimistic; I still hope that you're correct and I'm wrong.

            But my point remains: why is Cooper attacked for supporting a weakened public option, while Schumer is celebrated?

            I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.-President Obama

            by GN1927 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:38:09 PM PDT

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  •  More of that Clinton-era DLC "triangulation" (3+ / 0-)

    if you were a leader in defining the 18 different types of public plan, you'd think you'd also be a leader by choosing one and giving the world the Jim Cooper Health Care plan.

    I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. -- Pogo

    by annieli on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:55:33 PM PDT

  •  The irony (1+ / 0-)
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    blue aardvark

    of Jim Cooper and Mike Ross is that everything they are doing is making it more likely they lose their jobs in 2010 not less.

    It's like watching somebody standing on the wrong side of a branch they are sawing off while they point and derisively laugh at the more secure people clinging to the tree trunk it springs from.

    `Media Courage Award' recipient Bill O'Reilly banned the media from his speech.

    by LeftHandedMan on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:56:23 PM PDT

    •  It's going to be very strange (0+ / 0-)

      picking up newspapers after the 2010 election and seeing the loss of 20 or more Blue Dog seats being blamed on Liberals whose council might have saved some of those seats held by people who loathe them professionally.

      It didn't have to go down like this.

      `Media Courage Award' recipient Bill O'Reilly banned the media from his speech.

      by LeftHandedMan on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:02:58 PM PDT

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  •  What I Love most about 2009 (2+ / 0-)
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    jds1978, brooklynbadboy

    Is how irrelvant Jim Cooper has become.

    He was so proud of his killing of the 93 bill, that he tried to gloat on Huff Post, and got resoundly shut down by commenters.

    He is such a d-bag, read what he says, "about half of whats out there I would approve of"

    Really Jim, are you not merciful?

    Here is his "blog" June 18th:

    And hillariously on the SAME site reporter Jeff Muskus reports his flip flop:


    by George Pirpiris on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:56:34 PM PDT

    •  Cooper had Obama's ear even during the primaries (0+ / 0-)

      I can't say he's been irrelevant. Not yet. Maybe, but at this point the insurance cos are too content to call Cooper irrelevant.

      HR 676 - Health care reform we can believe in - national single-payer NOW.

      by kck on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:10:25 PM PDT

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  •  Outside Cooper's Nashville office last month (5+ / 0-)

    Pro-health care protest outside of Representative Jim Cooper's office in Nashville, Tennessee. Saturday, August 22, 2009. Hundreds of Nashvillians and Tennesseans from the 5th district protested in favor of health care reform. Cooper blocked meaningful health care reform in 1994, and is blocking meaningful reform in 2009, even though his district voted for Obama +13% and is a 'deep blue' district (it also voted for Kerry in 2004). Cooper claims to be interested in slowing the process down and having long discussions. But by now he has had time to read the bill, yet he still delays and blocks reform. Jim Cooper is a Blue Dog Democrat even though he represents a Yellow Dog Democrat district. Cooper is not holding town meetings during this August recess so he can avoid people like these protesters, yet he is on Chris Matthews and Face the Nation during the same time period.

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:57:10 PM PDT

  •  Would love to see (2+ / 0-)

    where he has described a Public Option that he would accept.

    Ouch on the confusion of Ross for Cooper, though.

    The bitter truth of deep inequality has been disguised by an era of cheap imported goods and the anyone-can-make-it celebrity myth - Polly Toynbee

    by fladem on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:57:17 PM PDT

  •  humpty dumpty logic never goes out of style. (1+ / 0-)
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    Dump Terry McAuliffe

    "Michele Bachmann is like the demi glace of wingnuttia." - Chris Hayes, Countdown, 2/18/09

    by rasbobbo on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:57:45 PM PDT

  •  He thought you meant the "pubic option" oh wait, (0+ / 0-)

    sorry, that was Vitter.

    60 is SUCH a great number, but I like 51 almost as much

    by hcc in VA on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 12:59:04 PM PDT

  •  So let me clarify (6+ / 0-)

    He is for the public options as he votes against the public options because the public options he supports are not the public options in the bills, and the public options in the bills aren't the ones he supports, and it all depends on what the definition of "is", is.

    This guy is combining the worst moments of Bill Clinton and John Kerry. All he needs is a Michael Dukakis tank ride and his fail will be complete.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:01:12 PM PDT

    •  Public option can be designed (2+ / 0-)
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      GayHillbilly, Simian

      to be a poison pill for the private insurance industry (subsidized, widely available, able to negotiate health care and drug prices, able to force providers to accept this program); or it can be a poison pill for this country's appetite to support public health insurance administration.

      Guess which type of plan Cooper (and Schumer, btw) supports?

      I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.-President Obama

      by GN1927 on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:10:34 PM PDT

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  •  50 Ways to Public Option -- (20+ / 0-)

    You just slip on a tax, Max
    Make a new plan, Stan
    You don't need a mandate, Kate
    Just set yourself free
    Hop in the E.R., Lars
    You don't need no rent, kent
    Nothing's for free, Lee
    And get yourself free

  •  Full steam ahead into the (0+ / 0-)

    vague....... Hey, where are we going?  Cooper- Over there, maybe we stay here, anywhere?  Really "where" could be defined in 18 different ways.  I am sure I could go one of those ways.

    Oh lead on...... I am right behind you.  Or, am I?

  •  Please Spay or Neuter your Blue Dog (4+ / 0-)
    Ha-ha; I wish.

    Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary. Reinhold Niebuhr

    by patriot spear on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:06:40 PM PDT

  •  What's in a name? That which we call (1+ / 0-)
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    Corporate Welfare for the Insurance Industry, by any other name would smell as sweet!

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:08:53 PM PDT

  •  Does his definition include gutless (0+ / 0-)

    repuke that ran as a democrat. These GreenbaCK dogs are hell bent on destroying our democracy, the little we have left since 1980.

    The world will never forget: the crimes and atrocities committed by the Bush administration!

    by Freedom Loving American on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:11:04 PM PDT

  •  Cantwell Opening Statement During Finance Cmte (3+ / 0-)
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    GayHillbilly, GN1927, OldAthena

    Here's leadership from Sen. Cantwell [WA-Intelligence]. On lack of competition: We're saying "Let's subsidize the insurance companies" - and she laughs at how ridiculous that is. True choice is the public option.

    No Public Option, No Re-Election. It's not complicated.

    by mrobinson on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:11:27 PM PDT

  •  I invite... (0+ / 0-)

    him to inroduce an amendment that explicitly details and proposes the aspects of the public option that he does support (assuming it isn't just rhetorical flourish)...until then, he's just an SOB getting by on nebulous opposition to nebulous plans.

  •  And there is another saying in Tennesee and (1+ / 0-)
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    Into The Woods

    it goes something like this: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,      and you won't get fooled again.

    "The Work Begins Anew, The Hope Rises Again, And The Dream Lives On" ____________Ted Kennedy

    by pollbuster on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:34:04 PM PDT

  •  lipstick on a pig option (0+ / 0-)
    By my calculation, there are about 18 ways to define a public option and at least half of them could win my support and, in my opinion, a majority in Congress.

    If you put lipstick on a pig and called it a Public Option I'll bet he could support that.

    Bipartinship means "Yes we can! As long as the Republicans agree to let us."

    by William Domingo on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:34:29 PM PDT

  •  Congressman's responds to the base (1+ / 0-)
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    It is clear that the congressman is feeling the heat from us who are pushing them to do the right thing and so I think we are making progress on these Blue-Cross Dems

  •  Can't help but think of this (1+ / 0-)
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    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 01:48:26 PM PDT

    •  Was thinking the exact same thing (0+ / 0-)

      and trying to come up with rhymes to meet the current obstructionist case.

      If the Earth really were your mother, she would grab you with one rocky hand and hold you under water until you no longer bubbled. -- Kathleen Dean Moore

      by Catatonia on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 02:54:02 PM PDT

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  •  I live in Coopers district (2+ / 0-)
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    I live in Coopers district and the form letter he sent me told me he was NOT supporting the public option.
    So, which is it?

  •  Wasn't that a Paul Simon song? (0+ / 0-)

    18 ways to define a public option

    Just slip out the back, Jack
    Make a new plan, Stan
    You don't need to be coy, Roy
    Just get yourself free
    Hop on the bus, Gus
    You don't need to discuss much
    Just drop off the key, Lee
    And get yourself free

  •  Shill/whore for his Insurance Masters. (0+ / 0-)

     Which, by definition, means sticking a shiv in the guts of his own constituents.  Bastard.


    "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

    by BenGoshi on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 02:02:05 PM PDT

  •  why doesn't he just lay out the requirements (0+ / 0-)

    for the PO and let it define itself?  What a schmuck...

  •  In all fairness, (1+ / 0-)
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    the PO isn't just too doggone complicated and tiresome for blue dogs like Cooper.  Even smart librul guys like Schumer and Barak Obama are barely hanging in.

    They seem to have special trouble with concepts like "universal coverage" and "economic efficiency".  

    Big-Boy Pants(tm) Dem Super Wonk powers are being strained to the limit.

    Have no fear.  A political movement finds its true leaders, even when it's leadership through fatigue and obfuscation alone.  Step up to the plate, Jim Cooper.  You are desperately needed to bring this reform home.

    Please don't feed the Security State.

  •  LOL (1+ / 0-)
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    Cooper Scooper can't decide which lie to tell to who.
    If he "supports" the PO then that must be a fairly recent change of position. Probably attributed to the progressive pressure cooker we've stuffed him in...

    On MSNBC he stated "A co-op is really used over three-quarters of the land area of America so we buy our electricity that way. It's a creature of the New Deal. It's worked really pretty well over all the country for 70 or 80 years. It's owned by the customers; it is not owned by the government. It works. It works real well."

    Of course, prior to that comment he said...

    "co-ops have turned away from their historic role" as pro-consumer organizations and had "taken on deeply troubling anti-consumer behaviors."

    So he was against it before he was for it. Right?
    That confusing SOB needs un-elected on general principals.
    He's one of those Dino clowns who, before the internet came along, could change his story depending on who he was addressing and no one would ever put two and two together.
    A lot of pols have this problem. That's why they need replaced with newer blood that understands the fact that if they lie we will catch them. Every time.

  •  Good decision (0+ / 0-)

    Which reminds me to say,

    We seem to have a good prospect for national office in Deval Patrick

    Boston born, Kennedy loving, bleeding heart, white liberal Democrat, and loving it.

    by robertbe on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 03:30:45 PM PDT

  •  "There's an old saying in Tennessee — (1+ / 0-)
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    Into The Woods

    I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

    We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.

    by Simian on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:23:15 PM PDT

  •  Mule? Are you sure? (0+ / 0-)

    But there's a saying in Tennessee -- "Any mule can kick a barn down; it takes a carpenter to build one."

    I do believe I've heard that quote, only with "jackass", which seems more appropriate, dontcha think?

    Apocalypse? I'd prefer Wax Lips.

    by dryfoo on Thu Sep 24, 2009 at 04:47:04 PM PDT

  •  Shadow Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    Why do the Blue Dogs hide their shadows? Why aren't they independents rather than canine Democrats?

    This whole situation is a farce and the best excuse for terms limits I've ever seen.

    How blatant these people are to be re-elected when they haven't done what they were supposed to in the first place. The election cycle is their review! They would be marked unsatisfactory due to lack of action and worst of all, lack of thinking!

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