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Tomorrow at 2:00, [update: the meetings in leadership and the caucus will be in the morning. Please call tonight and early tomorrow] the House Democratic Caucus will meet and determine what version of the public option goes into the House bill. Pelosi announced earlier today that there's probably the 218 for a good public option, but report are that they are only 12-15 votes away from the strongest version of the bill, the Medicare Plus 5 version that ties public option rates to Medicare reimbursement rates.

Having the strongest possible House bill going in to conference with the Senate is critical, and it's within reach. Before 2:00 tomorrow, please make calls to the following "leaning" Dems, those who are considering supporting the Medicare Plus 5 version according to Hill activists. The first number is their DC office, the others are their district office numbers.

  • Ron Klein (FL-22): 202-225-3026, 561-544-6910
  • Dennis Moore (KS-03): 202-225-2865, 913-621-0832, 913-383-2013
  • Stephen Lynch (MA-09): 202-225-8273, 617-428-2000
  • Bob Etheridge (NC-02): 202-225-4531, 919-829-9122, 919-829-9122
  • Dina Titus (NV-3): 202-225-3252, 702-387-4941
  • John Boccieri (OH-16): 202-225-3876, 330-489-4414
  • Steve Driehaus (OH-1): 202-225-2216, 513-684-2723
  • Charles Wilson (OH-06): 202-225-5705, 740-633-5705, 330-533-7250
  • Christopher Carney (PA-10): 202-225-3731, 570-585-9988, 570-327-1902
  • John Sprat (SC-05): 202-225-5501, 803-327-1114
  • Ruben Hinojosa (TX-15): 202-225-2531, 956-682-5545, 361-358-8400
  • Solomon Ortiz (TX-27): 202-225-7742, 956-541-1242, 361-883-5868

Additionally, it never hurts to put some pressure on leadership. Most of these committee chairs haven't yet committed precisely because they're the committee chairs negotiating with leadership, but they need to hear from us as well to know the strength of public support for the strongest public option possible.

  • Steny Hoyer (MD-05): 202-225-4131, 301-474-0119, 301-843-1577
  • Chris Van Hollen (MD-08): 202-225-5341, 301-424-3501
  • Jim Clyburn (SC-06): 202-225-3315, 803-799-1100
  • John Larson CT-01): 202-225-2265, 860-278-8888
  • Henry Waxman CA-30): 202-225-3976, 323-651-1040
  • Chuck Rangel (NY-15): 202-225-4365, 212-663-3900

Below the fold is the full list of Dems who haven't fully committed one way or the other on the public option and on the most robust public option possible. If you enjoy harassing your own representative (and admit, who doesn't) and they're on this list, call them and urge them to commit to voting to the most robust public option, the Medicare Plus 5 version.

  • Artur Davis (AL-07): 202-225-2665, 205-254-1960, 334-877-4414
  • Marion Berry (AR-1): 202-225-4076, 501-843-3043, 870-972-4600
  • Harry Mitchell (AZ-05): 202-225-2190, 480-946-2411
  • Ann Kirkpatrick (AZ-1): 202-225-2215, 928-445-3434
  • Gabrielle Giffords (AZ-8): 202-225-2542, 520-459-3115, 520-881-3588
  • Dennis Cardoza (CA-18): 202-225-6131, 209-383-4455, 209-527-1914
  • Jim Costa (CA-20): 202-225-3341, 661-869-1620, 559-495-1620
  • Grace Napolitano (CA-38): 202-225-5256, 562-801-2134
  • George Miller (CA-7): 202-225-2095, 925-602-1880, 510-262-6500
  • Loretta Sanchez (CA-47): 202-225-2965, 714-621-0102
  • Betsy Markey (CO-04): 202-225-4676, 970-221-7110
  • Jim Himes (CT-4): 202-225-5541, 866-453-0028
  • Allen Boyd (FL-02): 202-225-5235, 850-561-3979
  • Ron Klein (FL-22): 202-225-3026, 561-544-6910
  • Suzanne Kosmas (FL-24): 202-225-2706, 407-208-1106, 386-756-9798
  • Leonard Boswell (IA-3):): 202-225-3806, 515-282-1909
  • Debbie Halvorson (IL-11): 202-225-3635, 815-726-4998, 309-808-1194
  • Daniel Lipinski (IL-3): 202-225-5701, 312-886-0481
  • Bill Foster  (IL-4): 202-225-2976, 630-406-1114,
  • Melissa Bean (IL-8): 202-225-3711, 847-517-2927
  • Baron Hill (IN-09): 202-225-5315, 812-336-3000, 812-288-3999
  • Joe Donnelly (IN-2): 202-225-3915, 574-288-2780
  • Brad Ellsworth (IN-8): 202-225-4636, 812-465-6484, 812-232-0523
  • Dennis Moore (KS-03): 202-225-2865, 913-621-0832, 913-383-2013
  • Ben Chandler (KY-06): 202-225-4706, 859-219-1366
  • Stephen Lynch (MA-09): 202-225-8273, 617-428-2000
  • Dutch Ruppersberger (MD-02): 202-225-3061, 410-628-2701
  • Frank Kratovil (MD-1): 202-225-5311, 410-420-8822
  • Michael Michaud (ME-02): 202-225-6306, 207-782-3704, 207-942-6935
  • Bart Stupak (MI-01): 202-225-4735, 989-356-0690
  • Gary Peters (MI-09): 202-225-5802, 248-273-4227
  • Collin Peterson (MN-7): 202-225-2165, 218-847-5056, 320-235-1061
  • Ike Skelton (MO-04): 202-225-2876, 816-228-4242, 573-635-3499
  • Heath Shuler (NC-11): 202-225-6401, 828-252-1651
  • Bob Etheridge  (NC-2): 202-225-4531, 910-814-0335, 919-829-9122
  • David Price (NC-4): 202-225-1784, 919-859-5999, 919-688-3004
  • Mike McIntyre (NC-7): 202-225-2731, 910-323-0260, 910-735-0610
  • Earl Pomeroy (ND-AL): 202-225-2611, 701-224-0355, 701-235-9760
  • Paul Hodes (NH-02): 202-225-5206, 603-223-9814
  • Carol Shea-Porter (NH-1): 202-225-5456, 603-743-4813, 603-641-9536
  • Albio Sires (NJ-13): 202-225-7919, 201-222-2828, 201-558-0800
  • John Adler (NJ-3): 202-225-4765, 856-985-2777, 732-608-7235
  • Steven Rothman (NJ-9): 202-225-5061, 201-646-0808
  • Harry Teague (NM-02): 202-225-2365, 575-523-8751
  • Shelley Berkley (NV-1): 202-225-5965, 702-220-9823
  • Dina Titus (NV-3): 202-225-3252, 702-387-4941
  • Timothy Bishop (NY-1): 202-225-3826, 631-696-6500
  • Michael McMahon (NY-13): 202-225-3371, 718-351-1062
  • Scott Murphy (NY-20): 202-225-5614, 518-581-8247
  • Michael Arcuri (NY-24): 202-225-3665, 315-793-8146
  • Eric Massa (NY-29): 202-225-3161, 585-218-0040
  • Charles Wilson (OH-06): 202-225-5705, 740-633-5705, 330-533-7250
  • Steve Driehaus (OH-1): 202-225-2216, 513-684-2723
  • John Boccieri (OH-16): 202-225-3876, 330-489-4414
  • Zachary Space (OH-18): 202-225-6265, 330-364-4300, 740-779-1636
  • Mary Jo Kilroy (OH-5): 202-225-2015, 614-294-2196
  • Marcy Kaptur (OH-9): 202-225-4146, 419-259-7500
  • Curt Schraeder (OR-05): 202-225-5711, 503-588-9100
  • Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-03): 202-225-5406, 814-456-2038
  • Jason Altmire (PA-04): 202-225-2565, 724-378-0928
  • Christopher Carney (PA-10): 202-225-3731, 570-585-9988, 570-327-1902
  • Paul Kanjorski (PA-11): 202-225-6511, 570-825-2200
  • Tim Holden (PA-17): 202-225-5546, 717-234-5904, 610-921-3502
  • Patrick Murphy (PA-8): 202-225-4276, 215-829-1963, 215-348-1194
  • John Sprat (SC-05): 202-225-5501, 803-327-1114
  • Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD-AL): 202-225-2801, 605-367-8371
  • Lincoln Davis (TN-04): 202-225-6831, 931-490-8699, 931-473-7251
  • Bart Gordon (TN-06): 202-225-4231, 615-896-1986
  • John Tanner (TN-08): 202-225-4714, 731-423-4848, 731-885-7070
  • Ruben Hinojosa (TX-15): 202-225-2531, 956-682-5545, 361-358-8400
  • Chet Edwards (TX-17): 202-225-6105, 254-752-9600
  • Solomon Ortiz (TX-27): 202-225-7742, 956-541-1242, 361-883-5868
  • Henry Cuellar (TX-28): 202-225-1640, 956-725-0639, 210-271-2851
  • Tom Perriello (VA-05): 202-225-4711, 434-293-9631
  • Glenn Nye (VA-2): 202-225-4215, 757-326-6201
  • Rick Boucher (VA-9): 202-225-3861, 276-628-1145
  • Adam Smith (WA-09): 202-225-8901, 253-896-3775
  • Rick Larsen (WA-2): 202-225-2605, 425-252-3188, 360-733-4500
  • Brian Baird (WA-3): 202-225-3536, 360-695-6292
  • Alan Mollohan (WV-01): 202-225-4172, 304-623-4422
  • Nick Rahall (WV-03): 202-225-3452, 304-252-5000

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:30 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Power to the robust public option everyone (15+ / 0-)

    can buy into. I am feeling better about HCR within the last couple of days. Hopefully we will at the least get all of the positive amendments in addition to the robust P.O. We know and the people of our Congress know it is the only way to ensure competition to drive down premiums. Let's call and make the final push for reform!

  •  Anyone who calls Rangel's office... (7+ / 0-)

    might want to ask him to please step down as Chair of Ways & Means while they've got them on the phone... or maybe evem push for the more "robust" option... whereby he steps down from Congress altogether.

    •  I plan to call the leadership (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Trix

      (among others) but like to know the capacity I am calling them on.  Some I had to look up, I share them here:

      Rangel - chair, ways & means
      Waxman - chair, energy and commerce
      Hoyer - majority leader
      Clyburn - majority whip
      Van Hollen - Asst. to the Speaker (and Chair of DCCC)
      Larsen - Dem. Caucus Chair

      Was wondering, shouldn't George Miller - chair of Education and Labor - also be on that list since the bill went through his committee too?  

      "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

      by MRA NY on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:37:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  And remember, Ds, if at first you don't succeed (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, George Pirpiris
    keep on sucking until you do.
    Curly Howard

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:36:35 PM PDT

  •  I remember dKos fundraising for the following (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Trix, Matt Z, Aviram

    candidates:
       * Bart Stupak
       * Heath Shuler
       * Carol Shea-Porter
       * Scott Murphy
       * Eric Massa
       * Zachary Space
       * Mary Jo Kilroy
       * Marcy Kaptur
       * Patrick Murphy
       * Stephanie Herseth Sandlin

    And I don't see why these candidates aren't signing onto suppport of a robust public option.  AKA Medicare for all.

    Mary Jo Kilroy had a brutal fight to get her seat-- really close vote-counting and all that.  But she won.  She is a progressive trooper, that's for sure.  Mary Jo even spoke at a rally for healthcare reform, that I attended here in Columbus a few months ago.  So why hasn't she signed on?

  •  My Rep is on the list so he's getting a call (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    joanneleon, LearningCurve

    He sounded like he was for it in August in the town halls.

    'We risk consigning future generations to an irreversible catastrophe' -Barack Obama on Global Warming

    by Lefty Coaster on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:38:07 PM PDT

    •  you might want to check... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tmo

      it out yourself...mcjoan has my rep on the list of 'no' and it's totally BS. He has ALWAYS publicly supported a public option. This 'list' is (IMO) plain CRAP.

      'if you need to ask why OUR President should receive the Nobel Peace Prize, you haven't been paying attention.'~scj

      by TULIPS4DOLPHINS on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:54:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Commitment (0+ / 0-)

      mcjoan mentions that they have not committed one way or another.  I think this means that they did not sign one of the various letters to the House leadership, or did not take the public option pledge.

    •  Mine isn't on the list (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Matt Z

      (She's actually signed onto HB 676) but good friends of mine live over in nearby Medina county — that's Boccieri country. They are about to get an e-mail. Actually, a state organizer here working for health care reform has told me all our Ohio Democrats WILL vote for the public option. It can't hurt to call though. Strange that Marcy Kaptur is on the list. She's not only a good, solid progressive but she wrote the single best officeholder diary I have ever seen here on DailyKos — about energy. Too bad it was her only one.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:27:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  YES. (0+ / 0-)

    this is still bigger than any candidate. this is generational.

    by danthrax on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:38:23 PM PDT

  •  damn -- what's up w/ Spratt?? (0+ / 0-)

    i'm letting my SC friends in his SC district to find out why!

    (SC-03 is hopeless, so help my sig line candidate!)

  •  Mike Ross ..... one sneaky bastard (0+ / 0-)

    he floated the idea that he would support Medicare-E but he knew that was not going to be the name of the bill...... but at least that near scandal shut him up....

    did I mention that I love Speaker Pelosi

    God is a process not a person. Ecce Homo.

    by Dhirty on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:38:44 PM PDT

  •  I didn't know ... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Aviram

    ... we measured the strength of a health care reform bill by what rates the public option negotiates.  This just seems kinda bizarre to me.

    Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

    by jim bow on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:39:11 PM PDT

    •  I mean -- (0+ / 0-)

      Is this what we Democrats spent the last 60 years advocating?  What rate the public option should negotiate?  Is this what our party's grandest aspirations have come to over the last 60 years?    It just seems really, really strange.  But that's what can be inferred from this diary.

      Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

      by jim bow on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:46:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Whether you like it or not Jim, this is how it is (5+ / 0-)

      and the party will be judged accordingly.

      But I guess you can sit there and continue to kick the dirt around whining why Democrats decided that fighting for what we believe in is not that noble.

      And yes, the rates are very important, they relate to just how strong the option is.
      Remember, the idea here is a slippery slope to single payer.
      At least the gop has that part right :D

      •  Tell that to my sister's face, Mr. Noble. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        George Pirpiris

        That in the name of nobility, you're going to force my 27-year-old sister who earns under $30K/yr. to continue paying $500/mo. for health insurance because you can't get the public option.  I guess I'm just not as noble as you are because I don't want to watch my sister live with the human consequences of your nobility.

        Some people don't have the luxury of caring who does the paperwork for them.  I'm glad you have that luxury.  I wish more people did.

        Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

        by jim bow on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:26:15 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I dont know what to tell you Jim (5+ / 0-)

          The public option was dead just 2 weeks ago, now its back on.

          We have our political capital now, this year.

          And in politics, going soft, going slow guarantees you defeat.

          I am the same age as your sister, not sure if she has any pre-existing conditions, but I also pay 500 for my insurance (I pay 200, boss pays 300), and that is a rip off.
          I dont pretend that i only pay 200, I know what Coventry steals from us every month.

          Instead of whiny how hard we fight, focus on if we are winning or not.
          It looks like we are winning, and we aren't winning because of small details, but those details count when it comes to helping as many as possible.

          •  Mine is $560/mo. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            George Pirpiris

            My employer contributes 85 percent of the costs.  Of course, that money just comes out of your wages anyway.

            I don't see the inclusion or absence of the public option and at what rates as winning or losing.  Although I favor the public option, I don't see its inclusion or absence as a big deal one way or another.  And I'm certainly not willing to allow millions of Americans to continue suffering because I can't get the public option.  To me winning or losing is determined by how much relief we provide to the American people.

            What I see as a big deal is the minimum level of protection every American will be entitled to have.  What I see as a big deal is the maximum percent of a person's income an individual/family will have to spend on premiums for health care.  What I see as a big deal is whether or not health insurance will be affordable for older adults and others who currently are priced out of the individual insurance market can now afford health insurance.

            I'm much more concerned about whether my sister pays 25 percent of her income on health care or 14 percent of her income on health care.  I'm much more concerned about whether or not the waitress with the 11-year-old diabetic child spends 45 percent or 15 percent of her income on health care than whether exists or doesn't exist a public option.  The public option simply doesn't have these kinds of magical powers.

            Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

            by jim bow on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:51:28 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Okay, there we go (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              jim bow

              First on employee compensated insurance, I wish the small business lobbies would yell out how they get ripped off, my company is less than 50, but with our work, this benefit is expected.

              I think that if we educated the INSURED how much they are ripped off, we could have a different conversation.

              As to you not thinking the PO will help your sister, me and you, and the folks working harder, getting less, with no benfefits, I am not sure what you think will aside from single payer "right to healthcare"

              The Private Insurance companies have proven to us for decades they will fight against the people.

              Give me something else that is punitive to them, and helps the people, I am all for it.

              The PO is just a vehicle to get there,  and keep in perspective Jim that we might not even get it, and dont forget that it was dead just a few weeks ago.

              I wont pretend to understand all the technicalities of rate reimbursement, I do put my faith in the folks here and our friends on the hill.

              •  See, and that's where I disagree with you. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm not as sanguine as you are about the magic of the public option, and my sister, who has individual insurance, would be one of those people who is eligible for the public option were Congress to pass a public option.  I think the public option has the ability to lower costs 10-20 percent for more affluent customers, which is certainly nice, but for low and middle-income customers the savings from the subsidies will overtake any savings from the public option.  The math simply illustrates this.

                Here's a numerical example:  Let's say for my sister's income level, she has a 10 percent premium cap.  This means she has to spend 10 percent of her income before receiving any subsidy.  Assuming she earns $30K/yr., that means she has to spend $3K/yr. before receiving a subsidy.  Now let's say under a 2:1 community rating, her health plan costs $6K/yr.  Let's say a Medicare+5 public option is 20 percent cheaper, and that's unbelievably optimistic.  That means the public option costs 0.80 * $6K, or $4,800/yr.  So Uncle Sam saved $1,200 from the public option, but my sister didn't save anything from the public option; my sister's $1,800 savings (6 percent of her income) in premiums comes entirely from the subsidy.

                In other words, based on my mathematical example, the higher the income, an the less coverage a person purchases, the more he/she will save because of the public option. This is nice. But is it's absence worth keeping the Smiths and millions of other uninsured families one illness from bankruptcy? I'm not sold on that. That's just how I feel about the legislation.

                Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

                by jim bow on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:24:27 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Um, the "Smiths" are from one of your other (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  wsexson, bagman

                  cut and paste examples, you were talking about your "sister" in this one.

                  Oh, and by the way, that $1800 savings means that someone else can have their premiums subsidized, helping to bring someone else into the insured. Funny, how your "math" actually supports the argument for the public option, when you were arguing against it. Too clever by half again.

                  You keep slipping up, you must be getting tired. I know most everyone in here is getting tired of you and your BS.

                  And you changed your signature, are you trying to hide your connections to the insurance industry again?

                  It's not Democrats v. Republicans or Liberal v. Conservative. It's People v. Money.

                  by superfly on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:57:51 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Sure, it's $1,800 savings that could ... (0+ / 0-)

                    ... go to someone else.  But you can get savings in health care in ways besides the public option.  End-of-life care, for example, would probably save more than the public option.

                    I like the public option for the reason you mentioned, but is its absence worth denying my sister (which is a true story) and millions of others substantial help because we can't get the public option?  I'm not convinced of that.

                    Is the public option really what Democrats have longed for the last 60 years?  Or is it preventing Americans from having to deal with the consequences of large medical expenses for basic care (i.e., bankruptcy, death)?

                    Yes, I do work for a life insurance company.  So?  There are worse things sold than health insurance.  Tobacco products.  Child pornography.  At least health insurance has saved millions of Americans from bankruptcy.  My best friend, a teacher, has somehow managed to be in some cast every year.  Thank goodness that his health insurance company has saved him from being significantly poorer!  I have a cousin who has had all kinds of surgery on his knees, and has a child with heart problems and bipolar disorder.  Thank goodness his health insurance company has saved him from bankruptcy!

                    As for your conspiracy theories, do you honestly believe a large health insurance company of 10,000 would pay some 29-year-old actuary of all its employees to represent them undercover on the most widely visited progressive blog?  Come on.  I speak for my own opinions.  If you don't like them, well this blog is also a debating society, so people are going to disagree with your opinions.  A minority of people on this blog, for example, disagree with my opinion that a 15-year-old girl shouldn't be required to notify her parents before getting an abortion.  That is their right.  It is my right to voice my opinion that I don't believe the public option should be elevated to litmus test status.

                    And I changed my signature because I saw one blogger found it to be supercillious.

                    Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

                    by jim bow on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:54:40 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  What conspiracy theories? (0+ / 0-)

                      You slipped up again (it's not the first time), you say you work for a life insurance company then say:

                      do you honestly believe a large health insurance company of 10,000 would pay some 29-year-old actuary of all its employees to represent them undercover on the most widely visited progressive blog?

                      I never said any of this, you did, I simply point it out when you slip up. You work in the insurance industry (doesn't really matter if it's life or health), thus you don't realize that health insurance is the problem, not the solution.

                      You don't realize this because you are too "inside," which is why I have said, I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, but some of your arguments make it difficult, if not impossible to do, when they are so blatantly dishonest.

                      You constantly set up false choices, as if having the PO will kill some other part of the bill, which is BS, and I know you are smart enough to know this, thus the only conclusion is you are being intentionally dishonest. And we are past the point where the CPC would need to vote against a bill without a PO, it's going to be in the bill, in one form or another, so that's not a valid argument either. The fact that you either don't realize this, or don't care,  just makes your motivations and dishonesty even more obvious.

                      You keep talking about bankruptcy, so go change the bankruptcy and creditor/debtor laws. Change the laws so that medical expenses can't force someone into bankruptcy so long as .1% of the balance is being paid each month, cap the interest/fees/etc. on medical expenses debt, and make sure they can be wiped out in bankruptcy if necessary at some point in time. Don't use sob stories to try to lock this country into for-profit, Wall Street owned, blood sucking, parasitic health insurance.

                      And actually, there are very few things worse than health insurance. Do you not realize how wrong it is for a company or person to "profit" from someone's illness. Doctors, nurses, hospitals, even Big PhRMA all provide actual health care, actual services/facilities/products, and while we can argue about the level of remuneration, they all deserve what they are paid (and some deserve more) and even (most/some) profits made.

                      Insurance companies make money denying health care, that's it. They don't deserve a dime of anyone's money, it is immoral, but you keep arguing for it, ironically, with moralistic lecturing about the "Smiths" and your "sister" and the diabetic child, all the same cut and paste arguments. To me, and many others here, it is disgusting, and it's why most have tuned you out. I try, but sometimes you go over the line, and I respond.

                      I won't even get into the political arguments about this, but this is a huge test of this President and the Democratic Party, and I can say with absolute certainty that Democrats sure as hell haven't been fighting for 60 years to define an individual mandate to buy crappy, for-profit health insurance as "health care reform." If you think that's what they've been fighting for, you're more clueless than I could have imagined.

                      And end of life care? I know the statistics on money spent on "end of life" (last 4-6 weeks) care, and I never thought I'd say this, but are you actually arguing for some sort of cost/benefit analysis as to whether Medicare should pay for certain things? You realize this is the what the whole "death panel" rant was based on, right?

                      I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and assume you don't mean that, but please explain what you do mean.

                      It's not Democrats v. Republicans or Liberal v. Conservative. It's People v. Money.

                      by superfly on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 11:25:58 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  No (0+ / 0-)

                        I work in the life insurance industry.  I used health as a hypothetical.

                        I had to stop reading after that because it's pretty clear all you are interesting in doing is finding a way to slander me -- truthful or not.

                        Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

                        by jim bow on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 11:34:37 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Slander? (0+ / 0-)

                          I've said here and before, it doesn't really matter, health, life, whatever, your arguments are dishonest, you know it, you don't like having it pointed out, and you never respond to substantive responses to your claims, whether from me or others.

                          You should read the rest of it, once again, it's actual, substantive critiques of your BS. But to read it (which I think you have) and respond to it, would require more BS, and might actually make you think about what you are saying, and what you are defending.

                          You bring the "slander" on yourself by not responding honestly, and as I said, I used to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you refuse to respond in good faith, like you're doing again now.

                          I have raised numerous issues with you in good faith, bankruptcy, profit v. payment for actual health care services, you're strawman, false choice arguments, you refuse to respond, and now you are claiming "conspiracy" and "slander."

                          So continue with your little BS arguments, and then claim victimhood when challenged.

                          It's not Democrats v. Republicans or Liberal v. Conservative. It's People v. Money.

                          by superfly on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 12:19:07 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  You lost me ... (0+ / 0-)

                            ... once you trivialized my sister's situation.  If you don't believe that's a true story -- that she pays 20 percent of her income in premiums alone, and that figure would drop to at worst 12 percent under Finance -- and you don't believe the numbers, I have no need wasting my time by arguing with you.  Arguing with you is like <Barney>arguing a dining room table</Frank>.

                            Operator, operator -- what's the number for 9-1-1? - Homer Simpson

                            by jim bow on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 12:45:49 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I didn't trivialize your sister's situation (0+ / 0-)

                            you did with your dishonest arguments, and you're doing the same thing again right now.

                            The fact is, the numbers would be lower under any of the other 4 bills, therefore, your sister would be better off, you know this, but again refuse to acknowledge it, thus you are being dishonest.

                            It's not Democrats v. Republicans or Liberal v. Conservative. It's People v. Money.

                            by superfly on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 01:34:38 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

    •  As you know (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      George Pirpiris

      the Medicare-like public option is the strongest option for many reasons, not just the rates.

      It's an established program with an established network.  It's efficient -- the administration costs are very low.  And it has bargaining power.  It's popular.

      Anyway, you know all of these reasons.  I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

  •  You think you have to call GEORGE MILLER?!?!? (6+ / 0-)

    You're kidding yourselves.  George Miller is probably the most liberal member of the House.  There's no need to even ask.

    Pragmatic progressivism is the future.

    by Pragmaticus on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:41:07 PM PDT

    •  I called him anyway. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      joanneleon, Matt Z

      Yes, there is a need.  Call him.  It's free.

      Obama, make Harry do it.

      by exMnLiberal on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:29:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Then call him and thank him (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Matt Z

      and tell him you will get his back. I'm doing this with my congresswoman and my one senator, Sherrod Brown. My other senator (Republican) is obsessed with cutting government spending. (To his credit, he was obsessed with it under Bush as well and got brutally attacked by right-wing swiftboat groups).

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:35:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'll call Boucher first thing in the (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ksingh, Matt Z, allie123

    morning.
    Last quote I read, paraphrased, but pretty close... I'm not sure about a public option. I think it would be too popular.
    I wrote him a scathing missive, but have not heard back.

  •  If calling use the polling data of Nate Silver (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LearningCurve

    it's easily displayed for reference. NV-3 Titus... 50% support for PO

    538

    "Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave." - Thucydides

    by JasperJohns on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:41:55 PM PDT

  •  I'm going to give my Rep a call as well (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    joanneleon

    Thanks for posting the list!

  •  According to the Arizona Republic (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Coldblue Steele

    Gabrielle Giffords supports the public option.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:44:25 PM PDT

  •  WTF, neither of NH's are onboard yet?! (0+ / 0-)

    Come on.

    Economic efficiency is not an absolute good, let alone a priority over human welfare.

    by RequestedUsername on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:44:37 PM PDT

  •  I think a more important issue right now is.. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tmo, wry twinger, kareylou

    getting Wyden's bill incorporated which will let anyone buy into the PO, rather than only those who don't have any options. This will give the gov better leverage in cost negotiations.

    •  A more important issue than medicare +5 that is.. (0+ / 0-)

      A public option at all is definitely issue 1.

      •  I would like to find out one day how Wyden's bill (0+ / 0-)

        played out behind the scenes.

        I never got a good feel for it,  sometimes watching him, I thought he was laying out a wel crafted public option geared to avoiding the word.

        With all his interviews the best I could pull out of it was he was trying to frame a Public Option that noone could argue against.

        Anyways, when all is said and done, I would like to see full analysis of his proposal.

        •  We need to be pushing for single payer (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          George Pirpiris, kareylou

          Without single payer, the amount of money required to add an additional insurer that takes the sick who can pay the premiums, as well as the healthy, would be HUGE. Even without the profit taken by insurers, the premiums would still be beyond the ability of most American families to afford without a substantial committment to fund it that hasn't even been discussed yet.

          The whole "self sustaining" thing is a big lie, and the amount of money allocated so far, $260 per American per year, wont even begin to address the huge gap between the need and the amount people can afford.

          Single payer is the only way to get quality health care that people can afford.

          Single payer is the way that works
          The real debate is just beginning.

          by Andiamo on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:40:31 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I agree, so in your estimation (0+ / 0-)

            do you think the republicans are dead wrong that the public option is a "slippery slope" to Single Payer?

            I hope they are right, even before they started that meme, that was the word around the blogs.

            What I would like to know from single payer folks (and by all means, dont bother here in a FP diary) is how could we technically get single payer working.

            From scratch, or if we get the PO, and decide to take the plunge.

            I think the more you talk about the process and talk about the product, the less a name matters.

            I here that Medicare is "single payer" yet Medicare for all (tm) is not.

            •  This post (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Matt Z, George Pirpiris

              is a badgering single-payer absolutist. He wants us to lobby ONLY for something we will not get, and he has damned everything that is possible as being completely worthless on every level. He has done it over and over and over to the point where I'm really fed up. And he's just wrong. Even Kucinich is going to vote for the public option — and frankly, he was the Ohio congressperson I was most worried about. I figured he might pull an Andiamo on us. But even HE is more realistic.

              Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

              by anastasia p on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:09:10 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Thank you for the info (0+ / 0-)

                I usually pick up on that, and notice people like that.

                Reading him, I then asked "well what works" and like most absolutists, their mind only works in one direction.

                Some just want their label on the product, as I state, I have gotten confused as to what single payer is and isnt', what a PO is and isnt'.

                I dont care what we call it, and needs to be right, and it needs to be passed.

  •  I'll tell Pomeroy to stop palling around with (0+ / 0-)

    Conrad and do the right thing Med. 5

    Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore

    by Horsehead on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:47:01 PM PDT

  •  WHOA THERE... (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    askew, wry twinger, gizmo59

    I didn't like this list much to begin with with the words..'if you like harrassing...' and then when I saw my congressman David Price who has not only been totally on board w/ ROBUST public option, but has stated over and over that he would prefer Universal HC... now I really don't like this 'list' Get your facts right please. No one should be harrassed by contituents that haven't a clue!!!

    'if you need to ask why OUR President should receive the Nobel Peace Prize, you haven't been paying attention.'~scj

    by TULIPS4DOLPHINS on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:50:09 PM PDT

  •  An action diary on the public option? (4+ / 0-)

    A siren call for certain posters to add negative comments...

  •  Anybody who needs practice, please call (0+ / 0-)

    Kratovil in Maryland.

    He was just elected this year, and to be blunt, he won't vote for anything Obama proposes, and he will probably lose in 2010.  (I dont see how his strategy of bucking the party in a permanent blue state will work out for him)

    He is the only diehard blue dog in our Blue State of Maryland:
    Frank Kratovil (MD-1): 202-225-5311

  •  Q: Do I call all of the reps, or just those in (0+ / 0-)

    my state?  Is there a cheat sheet for zip codes?  they always ask me if I live in the district.  I do hate to lie.

    The future is what we decide it is going to be.

    by Ann T Bush on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:52:12 PM PDT

  •  We got ths far (0+ / 0-)

    Let's get the job done!

    "I don't want a line in the Sand lines can be moved. They can be blown away. I want a six foot trench carved into granite."

    by theone718 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:52:40 PM PDT

  •  Kathy Dahlkemper (PA-03) (0+ / 0-)

    has publicly supported the public option.  She has said so in public on many occasions, and I have spoken to her personally on this issue.  Why is she on the list of Representatives who have not fully committed?

    -5.13,-5.64; EVERYTHING is an approximation! -Hans A. Bethe

    by gizmo59 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:53:04 PM PDT

  •  Dennis Moore already had his opponent bow out (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z

    I have a feeling that he is going to go for the Public Option.  I think I will call tomorrow.

    "I don't need no instructions to know how to rock"! - Carl Brutananadilewski

    by BLUE YETI on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:54:01 PM PDT

  •  McJoan! PLEASE repost this tomorrow too! (5+ / 0-)

    or post it as a diary we can rec, because this is SOOOOO important and would be a HUGE help tomorrow when the House is going to vote!

    I like your diaries. Best. Blogger. Evah. ~ Alan Grayson on MoT

    by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 05:55:35 PM PDT

    •  NO NO NO... not until the facts get straight on.. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      askew

      this list!!!!!
      I'm out of here people (from this diary) I've left multiple posts about how mcjoan has got wrong info posted here... you are on your own to do your own fact checking... bye and good luck!

      'if you need to ask why OUR President should receive the Nobel Peace Prize, you haven't been paying attention.'~scj

      by TULIPS4DOLPHINS on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:21:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You should embed the link (0+ / 0-)

    to Nate Silver's polling in the body of the diary.  Being able to have your district's polling at your fingertips is a great tool for the call.  So when I call Rep. Waxman I can remind them 70% of the district is for the Public Option.

  •  3 From WA? Wow. Sell Outs Taking from REAL (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats.

    Baird has been a real piece of work. Why don't these diaper shitters join the other side, since, they're afraid of Going Grayson ??

    I'll be making my input known in state circles ...

    ha ha ha.

    rmm.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:07:20 PM PDT

  •  PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    askew

    this is all the truth!!! THIS is wrong on so many levels, starting with mcjoan listing MY rep as a NO when he has ALWAYS stood up vocally and publicly for a robust PO... even stating UNIVERSAL would be the best (David Price...district 4 NC)
    Our reps who have supported our wishes do not need to be unindated with angry, BS calls from 'ignorant of the facts' constituents. PLEASE (sorry about the caps but i am soooo pissed right now.

    'if you need to ask why OUR President should receive the Nobel Peace Prize, you haven't been paying attention.'~scj

    by TULIPS4DOLPHINS on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:09:59 PM PDT

    •  u know what (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tmo, joanneleon, Matt Z, LearningCurve

      you can leave a polite message

      I did. it doesn't have to be angry.

      If I happened to call a congressperson who already supports the medicare plus 5 version, they won't be offended by a polite message. they may even feel backed up

      "The Balloon Has Landed"-10/15/09

      by Krush on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:32:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        PinHole, Krush, Matt Z, kareylou

        You can open your call by saying "I wanted to let the congressperson know that I feel that a strong, affordable public option accessible to all is essential to any meaningful health-care reform." Then, if the congressperson DOES support it, the phone answerer might say, "She fully agrees with you and she's working hard to make sure that is in the final bill." Then you say, "Thank you so much, and please tell her I will publically defend her on this issue whenever I have the opportunity."

        See how easy it is? It really doesn't MATTER where they stand if you phrase it like that. You are just expressing what YOU believe.

        Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

        by anastasia p on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:46:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  lol (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Matt Z

        'they may even feel backed up'

        That was a stupid thing to say-I meant they may even feel like they are representing the interests of their constituents.

        must.leave.Idaho.

        "The Balloon Has Landed"-10/15/09

        by Krush on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:12:34 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Which version of the public option (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pronin2, tmo, slinkerwink, Matt Z

      does he support and did he sign one of the letters to the House leadership?

      Does he support the strongest public option, Medicare + 5?

      The vote tomorrow is about choosing which version of the public option the House bill will include.  If you read the diary again I think you'll see what the goal is and why we're calling.

  •  Mollohan (WV-01) pro-public option (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PinHole

    That is not in doubt.

    •  Medicare + 5 public option (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      pronin2, KenBee, Matt Z

      is the goal for tomorrow.

      Pelosi announced earlier today that there's probably the 218 for a good public option, but report are that they are only 12-15 votes away from the strongest version of the bill, the Medicare Plus 5 version that ties public option rates to Medicare reimbursement rates.

      •  Again, no worries on Mollohan (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        joanneleon, PinHole, Matt Z

        Trust me.

      •  List is already parsed with back door copouts (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        joanneleon

        you might as well have a show of hands: SUNRISE: For or Against?

        For example, my Lois Capps is not on your list, but last I heard she was all for the 'really good stuff in there' (hr3200) and would NOT commit to Not voting for a blill without...WITHOUT the PO. The 'good stuff' means she will vote for any bill whether or not it has the PO...'any health care improvement is a win' theory.

        The only list that matters are those who have publicly committed to voting NO if there is NO PO. That would be a much longer list.

        And BTW, Ross's bs was just so he could fool a few voters because he needs to have a jeg on both sides of this fence 'See, I was for it...but it didn't have enough support, vote for me, I'm yer friend.'

        In 2002, the USFS spent $36 million on its Tongass timber sales program, and rec'd back just $1.2 million from timber companies.

        by KenBee on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:52:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Rep Spratt is a transplant recipient if I (0+ / 0-)

    remember correctly and may be more receptive to the OP option than some of his collegues. If someone were to contact him, it may be effective to point out the health care he was able to receive while recent reports show a substantial number of Americans are practicing self rationing of health care, by splitting medication to make an Rx last longer or by putting off needed operations and procedures or simply not seeing a doctor because they are already aware that a chronic condition is exacerbating into an acute condition.
    This may mean that while Americans may not be directly dying due to this rationing crisis but such practices are surely reducing their expected life spans    

  •  Pronuciation Guide - John Boccieri, Bo Cherry. nt (0+ / 0-)

    "They pour syrup on shit and tell us it's hotcakes." Meteor Blades

    by JugOPunch on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:21:22 PM PDT

  •  I called Ron Klein FL's 22nd (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BennyToothpick

    Neither Representative from Tampa is on that list --Kathy Castor of Florida's 11th is committed, to the best of my knowledge.  In the 9th, where unfortunately "Us Got Gus" (as in Bilirakis), well that's a lost cause. He voted with Geordie Bush something like 95% of the time.

    I did give a ringy dingy to Ron Klein's office in Fla's 22nd.  He's in the 'leaning' column at top, so I felt it needful to lean on him, albeit nicely.

    Grab a mop -- let's get to work. -- President Barack H. Obama, Leader of the Free F*ing World

    by Patty SoandSo on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:37:35 PM PDT

  •  this story is REAL ACT NOW (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    joanneleon, KenBee

    this is crucial here. we must go to conf WITH THE STRONGEST PO POSSIBLE. this is the goal here. email this out to all dems u know right now. this story is true- i confirmed it just now. we are falling short-the blue dogs are trying to blow back pelosi!

  •  Can you repost this tomorrow? (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    pronin2, joanneleon, Krush, Matt Z

    Congressional offices are closed usually at 5PM or 6PM ET.

    I work full-time with the FDL team on health reform thanks to your donations.

    by slinkerwink on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 06:41:46 PM PDT

  •  Put Pressure on Congressman Culberson R-TX 7th (0+ / 0-)

    The following is a “virtual vote” posted at my congress critters (Culberson (R) TX 7th Dist) website. By posting at progressive websites, I have reversed the numbers in this poll. Please keep up the pressure
    by voting at: http://culberson.house.gov

    Health Care Legislation H.R. 3200

    After passing cap and trade legislation, which is likely to be the largest tax increase in American history, President Obama and the liberals in Congress are now pushing a $1.5 trillion health care plan that will raise taxes, ration care, and let government bureaucrats make decisions that should be made by you and your doctors. The White House has said this health care reform is “key to our fiscal future.” I think every American would agree that more taxes, more spending, and more government intervention is not the answer.

    View the health care legislation proposed by House Democrats, then vote on H.R. 3200.

    Would you vote for or against the proposed health care legislation?
    For 71% (375 votes)
    Against 28% (151 votes)
    Indifferent 1% (5 votes)
    Total Votes: 531

  •  I'll try calling again. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PinHole

    Honestly, though, Ben Chandler (Fence-Sitter, KY) has no intention of saying anything one way or the other. He's made avoidance of the issue a fine art - no town halls, no returned phone calls - and he's a-gonna keep it that way until he can blame passage or failure of a robust public on somebody else. Count on it. This is Kentucky, where a famous basketball name means never having to say you're sorry.

    Maxie Baucus took an axe, gave Single Payer 40 whacks. And when he saw what he had done, gave Public Option 41. (NO, Max! Bad Senator!)

    by SciMathGuy on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 07:16:26 PM PDT

  •  Alas, my congressman is a f'ing GnOPer >:( (0+ / 0-)

    I sure hope that the rotten fucker gets voted out next time......

  •  OT, I wish Daily Kos would go blank or at least (0+ / 0-)

    grey out everything that can wait, but HIGHLIGHT ACTION ALERTS LIKE THIS.

    I only just spotted this, and it's too late tonight....and I don't know if I'll be able to call in the morning.

    Also, anything that can be done to make it easier---put plain English talking points next to contact info.

    Thanks!

    Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

    by LNK on Thu Oct 22, 2009 at 08:19:23 PM PDT

  •  This is a bush-league diary (0+ / 0-)

    There are two vacancies in the House right now, so we only need 217 yes votes to pass.  Missing that is a rookie mistake.

  •  Think you'll have a robust Public Option? (0+ / 0-)

    Think again.

    While Harry Reid appears to have woken up on the Public Option – he needs something to show to his Nevada constituency in his coming tight senatorial race – when offered, for the umpty-umth time, an opportunity to lead relative to what he promised the people and was elected by them to do on the Public Option, what did Obama do?

    "Mr. Obama asked questions [of Reid], but did not express a preference at the meeting, a White House official said."

    Obama is dead consistent in damning the Public Option with little or no praise, and on track to scuttle behind closed doors even this last minute option for the Option in order to deliver on his non-CSPAN broadcast promises to PhRMA and the other health care industry architects.

    The final Obama strategy?  If it appears that it might have the votes in the Senate, Obama will spend every effort to see that it is an eviscerated Public Option from the get go.

    "He wouldn't do that," you say.

    Wake up.  He's been doing it all along.

    You read it here, folks.

  •  I just called Hodes (0+ / 0-)

    The guy said that he supports the public option but is unsure of whether or not he will support Medicare+5%. I told him that I will not be voting for him if he votes against it.

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