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Holy crap... I thought I heard Judy Woodruff say this on tonight's "News Hour". I just listened to the audio ("Other news") on their website, and there it is, right at the beginning.  
Alright, maybe I'm just stone stupid, but I really thought that the "public option" proposals were going to be "funded" by premiums.  The "government funding" only applied to subsidies which were independent of the insurance plan.

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In other news today, there were growing signs the idea of including a government funded public option in healthcare reform is gaining new momentum.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted again that the final House bill will include a public insurance option.  She pointed to reports that Senate Democratic leaders are now leaning toward doing the same thing.

If the News Hour can't get this story straight, then there's no hope for us.

Originally posted to godwhataklutz on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 06:53 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 0-)

    Don't be a DON'T-DO... Be a DO-DO!

    by godwhataklutz on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 06:53:29 PM PDT

    •  The government plans to chip in $260/year (0+ / 0-)

      If we move to single payer, the costs savings could be 30-50% of the money spent on healthcare in this country. Thousands of dollars for each of us, each year.

      The gap between the approximately $12-15k/year annual cost of healthcare for the average American family and what the bottom 4 quintiles income wise (80% of us) is huge.

      Obama's $260 (800 billion dollars divided by ten years, divided by 320 million people) isn't going to go far subsidy wise, unless its directed at a VERY small number of people. Its certainly not going to make healthcare affordable.

      Thats a joke.

      The 80% of us who can;t afford unsubsidized private insurance anymore are really being thrown to the wolves in order to preserve the government's distance from responsibility for the quality of healthcare (or lack of it)

      Single payer is the way that works
      The real debate is just beginning.

      by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 07:48:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  This isn't a single-payer debate (0+ / 0-)

        Though single-payer might be the best way out of our current mess, the solution on the table is insurance-based.  Frankly, I believe that the individual mandate might not survive a constitutional challenge.  
        My personal preference is for single-payer "sickcare" (including pre/postnatal) and insurance-based "healthcare".

        Don't be a DON'T-DO... Be a DO-DO!

        by godwhataklutz on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:12:42 PM PDT

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        •  HEALTH REFORM SUBSIDY CALCULATOR (0+ / 0-)

          People can plug in the figures for the various plans and see how much help they might get starting in 2013 or 2016 or whenever. (But don't count on it, these high risk pools - public option is a high risk poo, basically, are dying in the states because they lose a huge amount of  money, because they can't do cost control, and as you know, Obama said he wouldn't sign any bill that increased the deficit!

          Warning, for most people who live on the coasts, its very little.

          Note, health insurance premiums are going way up this year, and deductibles, lifetime limits, and cost sharing percentages for drugs are also going up. For many people, its going to be impossible to pay for.

          The government wants to preserve this system that kills 101,000 people each year.

          IT DOESN'T WORK.. ITS NOT WORKING, LETS NOT PRESERVE IT.

          Single payer is the way that works
          The real debate is just beginning.

          by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:27:08 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Well, hope for us, but no hope (3+ / 0-)

    For what passes off as "news" on TV these days.

  •  The confusion is that some people have started (1+ / 0-)
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    to call it Medicare Part D and Medicare is government funded.

  •  and it's that kind of myth (5+ / 0-)

    that has a lot of people turned off about the public option.

    A number of people that I know think public option means 'free' health care on the taxpayers dime.

    When I explain that people who qualify will still have to pay, since small business employers will be the ones 'opting' for a cheaper alternative to the insurance companies.

    But that quote from News Hour needs to be called out, they need to retract. I'm calling right now.

    Growing old is inevitable...Growing up is purely optional

    by grannycarol on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 07:10:04 PM PDT

    •  I've had this discussion with my Mom... (3+ / 0-)

      From what she had heard, the Public Option is the first step toward (cue scary music) "socialized medicine".  When I tell her that it's a government sponsored (self-funding) insurance plan, just like student loans, she does a 180 and thinks that it's a good idea.

      These little misrepresentations mean a lot.

      Don't be a DON'T-DO... Be a DO-DO!

      by godwhataklutz on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 07:19:01 PM PDT

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      •  But they dont have to pay PREMIUMS (2+ / 0-)
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        in Canada, England, France, etc,

        I the civilized countries, the whole concept of being refused care is seen as CRIMINAL because what happens here where thousands of people a day are told "sorry, you can't be seen because you don't have enough money" or "sorry, you can't be seen because you still didn't pay the bill from the last time you had to come to the hospital" - NEVER HAPPENS.

        These are the things that the Democrats are counting on to lower their costs, BTW.

        Even in the private insurance European countries, costs are deducted from taxes. Medical bankruptcies as hundreds of thousands of Americans know of them dont exist.

        Costs to the people are a tiny fraction of what it costs here, and its deducted from taxes, so, for example, a Dutch persons (of any age, the price is the same for everyone) taxes have $160 a month added to them to pay for healthcare for everybody. Nobody is turned away because they didn't pay a bill or lost their job.

        On the other hand...

        Not a single European spends $4500 a year on WAR "for peace", but each American citizen does.

        Single payer is the way that works
        The real debate is just beginning.

        by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 07:58:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Socialized medicine WORKS (0+ / 0-)

          what we have now DOESN'T

          People in Canada, France, even England, get far better health care than 90% of all Americans do.

          And they pay NOTHING.

          The USA is the worst developed nation in the world to be chronically ill.

          Why? What did we do to deserve this?

          Single payer is the way that works
          The real debate is just beginning.

          by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:12:53 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  When the USA can get every (0+ / 0-)

          single person into the risk pool, we will be able to "afford" that $160 in taxes instead of an insurance premium.  The only thing in any of the plans that addresses that problem is the mandate.  And, so long as there is no available plan, administered by the government, that anyone can buy into, it is pretty sleazy (perhaps unconstitutional) to make people pay a private firm by law.

          •  It saves money because hospitals and doctors (1+ / 0-)
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            dont need one billing clerk to each patient like they do now to sit, arguing on the phone with the 1100 insurance companies..

            101,000 Americans are dying each year who wouldn't die..

            If you look at this graph of US healthcare spending breaking from the pack of global healthcare spending you'll notice that the US and Canada's costs used to track each other fairly closely until CANADA adopted single payer.

            Multinationals are shifting cost to the US payers now because they aren't regulated here like they are everywhere else.

            Where will it end? Is there a limit? No- it wont until we realize that we can't subsidize the whole world and join them in single payer.

            Single payer is the way that works
            The real debate is just beginning.

            by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:35:04 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I agree with you. (0+ / 0-)

              But there is the issue of all those insurance billing people out of work, added to the rolls of the unemployed, perhaps even becoming eligible for the public option government subsidies.  There are a lot of people in that line of work.

              I want medicare opt-in.  It seems to be the only answer that addresses all of the issues and won't cost much to ramp up.  Pay your premium, get your Medicare card, go to the doctor for any test you need.  As the insurance companies die out, we will be better able to handle the slow influx of unemployed people.

    •  Same myth is turning on a lot of people. (1+ / 0-)
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      To be fair, it will be government subsidized.  Only not as subsidized as the advocates hope or opponents fear.

      "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

      by Marie on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 07:33:51 PM PDT

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      •  Where would that HUGE amount of money come from? (2+ / 0-)
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        It certainly has not been discussed, anywhere.

        The subsidies that have been discussed are for only a very small percentage of those who would actually need them. Most Americans will be expected to pay amounts comparable to unsubsidized COBRA for high deductible, 60 or 70% coverage. If they have health issues, the uncovered costs will be high enough to make it still very hard for them to go to the doctor of fill prescriptions.

        Thats lack of cost control is a big part of why this 'solution' that they expect people to wait years for is not a real solution at all.

        Single payer is the way that works
        The real debate is just beginning.

        by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:03:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  What public option IS is a delaying tactic.. (2+ / 0-)
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          Its not meant to actually work, because the numbers dont add up because of adverse selection. They want to put it off because it will fail immediately because of lack of financing. Its going to be too expensive for most of the people who need it, and its real reason is a real scandal in that its basically a brer rabbit strategy designed to preserve the huge inefficiency of the 1100 private insurer system. Its meant to suck up valuable time and prevent discussion of single payer for years.

          During that time around 400,000 Americans will die preventable deaths that would not happen in the civilized countries that have universal health care for all of their citizens.

          Single payer is the way that works
          The real debate is just beginning.

          by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:07:54 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Agree except private health (1+ / 0-)
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            insurers are only one rotten piece in the puzzle, and possibly not the most rotten of all.

            "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

            by Marie on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:12:01 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Why does the government preserve this system (0+ / 0-)

              that insulates them from responsibility?

              Single payer is the way that works
              The real debate is just beginning.

              by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:13:48 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Insulates whom? They're just trying to (0+ / 0-)

                prop up the system that a majority of Americans believe even if they can't afford it.  Financing what we can't afford is the American way of life, doncha know?

                "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

                by Marie on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:28:43 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Right, because we're the richest (0+ / 0-)

                  we're the paradise on earth for the free market system.

                  We can afford it!

                  Waiter, Lets have the most expensive everything!

                  Single payer is the way that works
                  The real debate is just beginning.

                  by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:37:48 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  The ten year cost estimate of $700+ billion (1+ / 0-)
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          for the various plans is mostly insurance subsidies. The Health Insurance Exchange will parcel out the subsidies and is indifferent to whether the applicant purchases a commercial or public insurance policy (assuming the public one ends of being created).

          You're absolutely right that that of the bills solve the underlying problem -- high medical costs.  I've likened them to sticking the most byzantine health care system in the world into a labyrinth.

           

          "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

          by Marie on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:09:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  It works out to $260 each year per person (0+ / 0-)

            seriously.. do the math. There are 320 million people in the US, its 700 billion over ten years, even though we have to wait for years for it..

            They must be laughing at us.

            Single payer is the way that works
            The real debate is just beginning.

            by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:15:48 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Less than 25 million included in the deal (0+ / 0-)

              and the costs are assumed to decline in the later years as medical costs miraculously decline and incomes increase.

              "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

              by Marie on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:25:55 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Hold on, engineers predict the singularity (0+ / 0-)

                around 2045, thats when machines, - become as smart as people - Machines which have been improving exponentially in ability doubling in value for the dollar, every 18 months .

                So, the politicians in their hopes that people will HOPE for a miracle in the workplace, are saying that the smart machines might hire even tired, desperate people to do the jobs that machines don't want to do, so employment will surge and people will be able to get jobs again?

                Single payer is the way that works
                The real debate is just beginning.

                by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:42:52 PM PDT

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                •  So, out of that $260, over ten years, but which (0+ / 0-)

                  doesn't start until five more, and during THAT time, each of us pays THOUSANDS MORE to the insurance companies.. and each of those years, 101,000 people die.

                  so the real cost of that first 1 trillion, then 800 billion, now 700 billion is really not $260 a year at all, its a very high NEGATIVE NUMBER.

                  What was it that was said, "beware of Greeks bearing gifts"?

                  Its a hell of a "gift" that locks America into a system that kills so many.

                  Single payer is the way that works
                  The real debate is just beginning.

                  by Andiamo on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 08:49:20 PM PDT

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  •  PBS newshour is a canned product of Liberty (1+ / 0-)
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    Media. Washington Week is produced by the National Journal which is owned by Atlantic Media.

    Most of these canned 'PBS' programs(Moyers is one of the few exceptions) are paid for by the big corporations who shower PBS with money.

    They are simply dis-infomercials with gossip 'journalists' repeating whatever their lobbyist, political pals tell them.

    These things are scripted.

  •  Judy Woodruff is one of the worst (0+ / 0-)

    interviewers on NPR, IMO. She only does stories on rich people, she never asks a probing question, and she always uses the code words of the right.

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