Just saw a diary on the Top of the Rec entitled "Here's what I think"
In it, the author accuses Jane Hamsher of "buying and selling the Rec List for some time now."
What a bunch of bullshit. I recomend many of the diaries on health care by Slink and Eve. They are often good diaries. No one paid me and Jane Hamsher has not bought or sold the Rec List at all here.
He claims that Daily Kos should belong to Kossacks, and he defines out Jane Hamsher. Well, droogie, Jane is a Kosssak also.
believe Daily Kos should belong to Kossacks. Not influence peddlers who try to buy and sell this site and exploit our influence.
More anger after the fold.
I am sick and tired of this kind of bullshit.
If Jane is wrong on an issue, fine, call her out. But this "blogger paymaster" bullshit is such a low attack, droogie.
So long as Kos welcomes Jane here, and I have no reason to think he does not, I'm fine with it.
Jane may be wrong on her attack on some blogger recently. Kos has been wrong before also. But Jane's voice here (and Slink and Eve) are welcome to me and I plan to recommend their diaries just like any others. If I agree with the political content or think is is a good diary, I'll recommend it. I totally reject Droogie's boycott.
Jane has been essential in fighting for progressive outcomes. Do I agree with all she says? No. But hellraisers are necessary. Without them, you have no change. And hellraisers do exactly that: they raise hell, they attack, sometimes they even make big mistakes. Jane's criticism of Richard Trumka was incorrect a month ago.
But unless some people raise hell, the conservedems win and we compromise, compromise, compromise, until there is nothing.
What Droogie wrote is fundamentally wrong, even if Jane is wrong on her criticisms of the Eschoo bill.
This is consistent with the weird attacks here on Huffington Post as "right wing," when in fact it is to the left of some here and it sure is not right wing.
I don't want Droogie's Daily Kos. I want Markos' Daily Kos. Markos may be too moderate at times, but he's a fighter. He lets many voices be heard.
Sorry about the rant, but this shit pissed me off.
I have not followed completely the attacks over the weekend (I do have a life), but if Jane was wrong on the merits, call her out on it.
This "paid blogger" attack is just bullshit.
Bringing left and center together with Obama and most Democrats is a difficult task, but worthwhile. There is a place for both Droogie and those who believe like him and for Jane Harman here. And if people fail to see that, then the change President Obama seeks will not occur.
So, go ahead and flame me for defending Jane, Eve, and Slink's right to be activists and blog here. I'm not going anywhere.
Update I: Now I have calmed down a little, I should add that I still believe progressives/leftists and centrists/progressives (whatever you want to call the two main schools of thought here) need to work together as activists with President Obama.
Anyway, Rich In Pa. had what I thought was a good comment:
Ted Kennedy died and made me Kos. (7+ / 0-)
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In that capacity I'm declaring that Hamsher should take a chill pill, and Mahakali Overdrive should ignore people who say bad things about her, or him. Sometimes the big flaming disputes on Daily Kos are about fundamental things, and sometimes they're not. This one really isn't.
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by Rich in PA on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 09:36:05 AM PST
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I also hope Mahakali Overdrive comes back. I think people need to talk together. We're on the same side. I think this issue is very personal with Jane because of her breast cancer. I have talked with Mahakali Overdrive and I have no reason to think she is not a good Kossak. There is room for many points of view here. There is room for Jane and Mahakali Overdrive. There is room for Rep. Ecshoo and Rep. Kucinich.
Update II:
Dengre has a very useful comment:
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As the HCR effort moves into the final chapters passions will be very high. Folks who have their favorite strategies included in the Bill want to protect them and folks with good ideas left out of the Bill want to organize to get them into final legislation. It is logical that passions would run high.
It is true that from time to time folks dedicated to a single issue and/or tactic will trump common sense. Things will be said and folks will be highly motivated to form the circular firing squad. I would hope that folks will calm down a bit (but I know they will not).
Meanwhile, HCR is just one part of a progressive agenda and as thing stand now the weakest version of HRC on the table would be an improvement over what we now have. That is progress, but I think and I hope that we can make it better before this phase of reform is done.
And this is only a phase in the battle for HCR. Once a Bill is passed we will need to organize to improve it with new legislation. That is how our government works. There is not one bite of the apple. It is an ongoing process.
This is a long fight. It always has been. Those who invest too much in this fight without awareness that it is only one battle will go over the edge. When this HCR Bill is passed we will need to keep fighting to fix it.
We have been fighting to perfect our Union for more than 225 years. That will continue. Mahakali Overdrive, FDL, Jane Hamsher and the rest of us are part of the ongoing fight for justice. Since I started posting on this site back in 2004 there have always been folks paid to post here. Some disclose it. Some do not. It really does not matter. They either make a good case for their opinion or they do not. Turning fire on each other is wasted energy. We need to be in this together if we hope to improve things.
Like you, I would hope that Mahakali Overdrive gets back in the fight. Here or elsewhere. There is a lot of work to do and these within-the-family fights are of very little value (IMHO).
Cheers
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by dengre on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 12:44:21 PM PST
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