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Senator Joe Lieberman has accomplished something truly remarkable:

Joe Lieberman, as a member of the Democratic Caucus, has ignited our passion and united the progressive netroots. He appears to have generated on Daily Kos a consensus of condemnation that may never be equaled regarding someone who is supposed to be on our side.

Reading the various diaries and hundreds upon hundreds of comments in recent days, I have yet to find a single, lonesome comment expressing anything less than complete disgust with the Independent Senator from Connecticut.

The Senate leadership apparently hasn't yet heard the message. Senator Tom Harkin believes Joe will come around. There is still the belief that somehow, Joe can be placated, that deeply buried in Joe there is still some inner core of goodness that will lead him to "do the right thing".

Perhaps there are some Kossacks who agree with the thought that Joe is still worth courting. Perhaps our vociferous opinions to the contrary are too intimindating. So, this is your chance to say so in a poll.

I have attempted to construct the poll below without snark, with as much nuance and true choice as possible.

It's not necessary to recount to this audience Joe's history of deceit and disloyalty. We all know this only too well. But it's worth noting again how Joe fears for his country if the Democrats are able to lead, and how he therefore plans to campaign for Republicans in 2010 to replace the fearsome Dems.

Lieberman's performance on Face the Nation yesterday morning seemed designed to rub as much salt as possible into the gaping wound that is the health care system of this country.

His remarkable aim in spitting in the eyes of his constituents who overwhelmingly desire true health system reform with a public option is nothing short of awe inspiring.

Can Joe Lieberman truly be placated? Is there a heart of gold in there somplace, or simply a lump of cold, uncaring, self-serving, black coal?

So, this is a very simple diary. Yeah, the title is snarky, but really -- it's worth saying thank you to anyone who can bring us together like this, and of course, I was hoping to get your attention. I apologize that the poll is perhaps too wordy, but it's hard to otherwise capture the range and possible nuances of opnion about Joe.

Perhaps this will allow us to express our opinion as a progressive community, clearly and succinctly. Obviously, the choices that include some combination of taking away Lieberman's chair of Homeland Security or completely throwing him out of the Democratic Caucus imply that this would be the course that is pursued by Democratic Party leadership, which of course is always subject to the votes of others in the Caucus.

Originally posted to flitedocnm on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 12:54 AM PST.


Senator Joe Lieberman

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52%87 votes

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  •  Is it time to send a message about Joe? (9+ / 0-)

    I have no doubt that many of you will come up with other and possibly better ways of framing the choices available about Joe. Sorry if I could have done the poll better; feel free to flame away, or even better, say what you believe in the comments.

    Perhaps it's not even appropriate that we be doing this, but that's what choice #4 in the poll is for.

    But maybe, just maybe, hearing a clear message from the progressive netroots can be very constructive, and may help the Democratic leadership more effectively deal with the troublesome Senator from Connecticut who wants to have things his way, and seems to be willing to destroy his party and true health system reform to get what he wants.

    "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

    by flitedocnm on Sun Nov 01, 2009 at 05:20:10 PM PST

  •  most complex poll ever n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    Ray Radlein, MsGrin, Kylopod
  •  Actually (6+ / 0-)

    progressives were already united in opposition to this little douchebag.  The first evidence people had nationally was his concession of the 2000 election leaving Gore to fend for himself and explain how even his own VP candidate was opposed to a Florida recount.  What a guy.

    Even those not in Connecticut worked hard and donated for Lamont to win the primary.  When LIEberman decided to form his own personal political party, we knew the promises he made during the campaign were BS and we continued to give and work for Lamont.  

    He has always shown his true self - a pitiful excuse for a man whose desire for self promotion and attention know no bounds.  He opposes the 70% of his consitituents who want a strong and robust public option because he knows he can get away with it.  He's got another 4 years in office to get as much attention and money as he wants and to arrange a cushy, well-paid job for himself afterwards.

    The only way we will have real change is to get the money out of politics. Sue, West Allis, Wis.

    by Puddytat on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 01:24:06 AM PST

    •  "little douchebag"? (4+ / 0-)
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      Gooserock, sodalis, Puddytat, AnnetteK

      Awfully disrespectful towards a United States Senator. Couldn't you at least call him a "colossal douchebag" or "world-class douchebag" or "epic douchebag" or something more complimentary?

      What I love about Joementum is how blissfully he sails right through everything, perpetually playing the Statesman, acting as if he still commanded the respect of ... anybody. Wouldn't it be nice to have just one interviewer ask him, deadpan -

      Senator, are you even remotely aware how many people nationwide, Democrat and Republican, consider you to be a total douchebag?

      I won't hold my breath on that one.

      Slap it. Shoot it. Kaboot it.

      by adios on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 01:51:29 AM PST

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  •  Astounding amorality (3+ / 0-)
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    flitedocnm, MsGrin, bamabikeguy

    This whole thing is his vendetta against progressives.

    That said, it would be foolish to remove him except as a punishment if he filibusters.  If you do that he will just become a lock step republican and you would effectively be declaring Snowe to be emperor.

    Those who would do it except as final bargaining are making revenge more important than health care and the environment.  Use it to lure, do what you say if he doesn't listen, but having to do it will be of no use to the cause except to say "there weren't 60 votes."

    •  BTW I vote (2+ / 0-)
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      flitedocnm, bamabikeguy

      is not being truthful, but we are in a tough spot. It's time to quietly tell Joe that if he doesn't play ball, he'll lose his chair of Homeland Security. If he caves with minimal concessions, he can keep his chair and stay in the Caucus.

      Just give him some ego boosting pork nonsense, because that is what it is about.

      I ask those who vote for the last option what they think it would accomplish.

      I'm as much for purity as anybody, but the cause is more important.

      •  He ought to lose the chair because of the (2+ / 0-)
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        flitedocnm, MsGrin

        pitiful performance of the committee.  

        They never did a Katrina investigation, and last week we learn Samoa should have had tsunami sirens, except the money was wasted by a crooked administration.

        "I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this." Emo Phillips

        by bamabikeguy on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 01:50:40 AM PST

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    •  I Don't Think It's Vendetta, He's Always Fiercely (2+ / 0-)
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      SeedFreak, MsGrin

      opposed liberalism.

      I can't remember the first time I heard him speak against regulation and big government one-thing-or-another.

      I haven't checked so I may well be wrong, but I'd bet a review of the "progressive" issues he's supported (and I do know he's had a progressive rating in the past) have been those that involve little or no imposition on ownership by the rabble.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:19:55 AM PST

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  •  We were all probably yelling at the T.V. (4+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, sodalis, flitedocnm, MsGrin

    Bob Scheiffer did us a disservice by NOT asking the Dull One about the influence of his wife's lobbying.

    Why is this nepotistic system is hardly ever called out by the Sunday hosts?

    "I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this." Emo Phillips

    by bamabikeguy on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 01:44:17 AM PST

    •  That Sunday Host is a Republican w a Brother Who (5+ / 0-)

      served under W Bush as I recall.

      He's employed by the network that fired the Smothers Brothers for failing to submit program tapes for political censorship.

      This situation is half a lifetime old, bare minimum.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:22:21 AM PST

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  •  I'm a constituent (7+ / 0-)

    in spite of having voted for the other guy when it counted. Nevertheless, I write, I fax, I email. I always sign my correspondence, I'm not snarky nor rancorous nor name calling; I'm polite. I always say I'll not vote for him again if he (fill in the blank). He used to respond, telling me why it was better for me to do it his way.

    He doesn't respond to me any more. I guess I'm on his 'do not respond' list, he knows I'm not going to vote for him.

    picking off right-wingnuts at the ballot box, one vote at a time

    by JohnMac on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 03:49:25 AM PST

  •  I interpret the Senate members comments as (5+ / 0-)

    them knowing Joe better than the rest of us.  They know Joe always has a price.  They know Joe always can be bought.

    Listen to what Joe is saying.  It is so weak.  He barely makes sense.  His slip is certainly showing.  There is no principle in his statements.  He is finding it hard not to contradict himself in his own statements.
    He wants something.  The Dems can comfortably sit back knowing the full weight of the Democrats and Independents will be upon him (us).  If that does not work, then maybe they are comfortable giving him what he wants.  
    But, I say we continue to pound him and the Corporate Dems so the caucus does not have to give him what he wants.

    The Republican Party, courting the female vote for 2010 by clubbing us over the head and dragging us back to the polling place.

    by truesteam on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:10:20 AM PST

    •  Ever Consider He's Kept Around as an EXCUSE? (0+ / 0-)

      There might be a reason the beltway pundits have regarded the prospects for the public option as so utterly laughable.

      THEY know all these guys too, better than most of us.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:24:04 AM PST

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      •  Sure. He also may be taking the heat off of (0+ / 0-)

        Baucus for a while.  That is why I say, keep pounding them all.

        The good news is the Administration has not come out strong either way.  So, they do not lose face in the end if a strong PO goes through.  Which means they are still open.  No doors have been shut.  Full court press on the Congress.  Leave them no wiggle room.

        The Republican Party, courting the female vote for 2010 by clubbing us over the head and dragging us back to the polling place.

        by truesteam on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 05:03:16 AM PST

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  •  I completely disagree. (0+ / 0-)

    First of all, he has this most darling smile, telling us, "Yes, I have cameras in my face again. Ooh boy, ooh boy!. Love them klieg lights."

    That lovely smile, that darling expression of "I am someone. I am impotent!" I mean, really. Isn't he just the cutest?  And those ties he wears. They go with those twinkling eyes just right. Except under fluorescent lights, and then his silk Blue Hermes tie works best. And oh, that cut of his suit is perfect! So long as he gains all this attention, all this love and adoration from T and V, how can anyone be angry at that cute darling, little boy, with such an adorable expression?

    I am sorry, what was your point?

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 04:44:56 AM PST

  •  From the day in Dec 2000, when he said to allow (0+ / 0-)

    fraudulently cast ballots to be counted in Florida, he's been a weeping puss bucket of evil. I hope he has nightmares about the hell he's going to burn in.

    F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

    by UndercoverRxer on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 06:55:54 AM PST

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