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I'm going to devote just a few words to this. You can see the imminent danger by clicking hereto see how the current bill will legalize religious fraud and provide it with public funding.

It is very simple: Non-scientific, fraudulent, religious-based prayer "treatments" will receive government funding.

As the Christian Scientists claim:

"We are making the case for this, believing there is a connection between healthcare and spirituality," Phil Davis, a church spokesman, told the reporters. "We think this is an important aspect of the solution, when you are talking about not only keeping the cost down, but finding effective healthcare."

Religious organizations will be able to get government funding for their evangelism under the cover of health care.My own church has no woo-woo healing but I can easily make some shit up and apply for government support. And, as a protest, I might just do that!

Please, please, contact your reps and insist that only medicine be included in the bill, and not the frauds perpetrated by spiritual "healers". They should be jailed for fraud, not rewarded with the People's money.

Originally posted to MakeChessNotWar on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 01:25 PM PST.


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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

    by MakeChessNotWar on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 01:25:08 PM PST

  •  Hmm. (1+ / 0-)
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    I worked with a Christian Scientist for years. She wasn't a loony, snake-handling, laying-on-of-hands, dancing in the aisles sort. She had lived with medications for years and finally decided to live without them.

    In short, she wasn't a kook. I'm not sold on people who believe that way getting government aid in some way. I dunno. That's about all I have to add.

    "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

    by droogie6655321 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 01:32:12 PM PST

  •  Sorry. (1+ / 0-)
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    There is sometimes a connection between "spiritual" treatments and physical health and well being. Has nothing necessarily to do with God necessarily. You don't have to get the treatment yourself, you know. And while I respect your enthusiasm for science, I dislike your condescension for alternative medicine. That's all.

    •  ... (0+ / 0-)

      edit: one too many "necessarily"'s.
      bad proofreading, but still relevant.

    •  I'M SORRY TOO (0+ / 0-)

      But "alternative medicine is scientifically demonstrated to be bullshit and deserves contempt. People who promote it commit fraud. I pity the fools who embrace it, but
      I will not fund them!

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 01:50:08 PM PST

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      •  geez (0+ / 0-)

        the only thing you have proved is that you are close minded and ill informed

        I haven't seen a "traditional" doctor (an insult to medical systems far older than allopathic medicine) in 28 years.  My choice not yours.  It is effective safe and doesn't feel insurance companies or big pharma and is totally private (they don't report treatments to insurance companies)

        As Bonnie says - you don't have to use it but don't make decisions for the rest of us.

        You can keep your dangerous painful science based medicine.  I will go for something they cannot prove works (because of their lack skill) but works.
        Until they can measure the spirit on a medical test then I am happy - as long as you don't get to decide what works and what doesn't

  •  Acupuncture doesn't belong on your list. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's shown to be effective at reducing pain from multiple specific disorders.

    •  neither does homeopathy (0+ / 0-)

      I keep a homeopath on retainer.  Great stuff.

      •  Homeopathy tops the list (1+ / 0-)
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        It is the biggest fraud of all. Works the same as tap water. Every penny spent on that crap is wasted. It is physically impossible, and has been totallyt debunked.

        Of all medical frauds, Homeopathy is #1.

        Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

        by MakeChessNotWar on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 09:23:02 PM PST

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    •  Not quite (0+ / 0-)

      I have no problem with it as pain reliever and relaxant, but the many other claims are total bullshit, as is the "explanation" of how it works. That said, it is harmless enough. I am not James Randian in my views, but I don't support funding for it until more evidence is produced.

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 09:25:01 PM PST

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  •  I'll just repost my comment (0+ / 0-)

    from another diary on this subject, since it's relevant here.

    oh for f**cks sake

    Health care, and payments for that care should be based on freakin' science.  You actual evidence-based studies?  

    There should be a standard of showing that your procedure actually does what it claims with very few exceptions.

    That's the standard the FDA holds for drug approval, and that should be the standard for medical procedures.  

    Why would we allow public money to be wasted on snake-oil, when there is limited amount of money to provide people with actual medicine that has been proven to help.

    Orin Hatch (who was responsible for the de-regulation of "herbal" supplements, and is one of the big supporters of this bill) is an asshole.

    "My greatest strength, I guess it would be my humility. Greatest weakness, it's possible that I'm a little too awesome." -Barack Obama 10/16/08

    by Hopeful Skeptic on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 05:12:15 PM PST

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