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In the absence of a viable Democratic candidate, my state has apparently wound up with serial traffic violator and corrupt former US attorney Chris Christie.

I believe we should move to mount a recall campaign immediately, a provision established in 1995, in the hopes of getting a recall question on the ballot for the next election.

From Ballotpedia, here are the laws governing a recall election in New Jersey:

The citizens of New Jersey are granted the authority to perform a recall election by the New Jersey Constitution, Article I, Section 2b to all elective officers after the first year of the term for which the incumbent was elected.

Notice of Intention
A recall committee of at least three registered voters is needed to initiate recall proceedings. This process may not begin until 50 days before the completion of the incumbent's first year of the current term in office. The recall committee must notify the appropriate election official of the names and addresses of at least three members of the recall committee. The election official accepting the petition will then review the notice of intention for compliance with statutory provisions, calculate the cost of a special election, and notify committee members of the acceptance or rejection of the notice, within three business days. The election official also notifies the incumbent of the notice of intention of recall within five business and publishes a notice of the recall effort.

Signature Requirement
Upon approval of the petition, the recall committee and other registered voters in the jurisdiction of the recall election will solicit the signatures of other registered voters in that jurisdiction. The recall effort is limited to 320 days for a Governor or 160 days for other elected officials from the date of the notice of intention. The petition requires the signatures of 25% of the registered voters in the jurisdiction, as of the last general election.

Petition Review
The election official reviewing the petition will then certify the number of signatures and determine validity within 10 days. If the petition is accepted, the election official will schedule the recall election.

Contact Information
New Jersey Division of Elections
44 South Clinton Avenue, 7th Floor
P.O. Box 304
Trenton, NJ 08625-0304
Phone: 609.292.3760

The people of New Jersey should not be saddled with this corrupt, contemptuous a-hole for governor just because the pompous self-absorbed democratic incumbent refused to step down to allow the possibility of a better candidate. The democratic mayor of the smallest town in New Jersey would have done better in this state than Jon Corzine, whom everyone knew was heavily disliked by a large percentage of the population. We deserve the opportunity to have an election with a viable democratic candidate.

Anyone with me?

Originally posted to CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:34 PM PST.

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Should we recall Chris Christie?

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Comment Preferences

  •  Indy's Voted 58% For Christie (2+ / 0-)
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    bugscuffle, Simply Agrestic

    OUCH.....

  •  Wow, that was fast! (3+ / 0-)
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    CatM, trashablanca, annominous

    Seriously, as a Californian, I am over the whole idea of recalls, but maybe they will work for you.

  •  No (4+ / 0-)

    waste of time and money...The people of Jersey have spoken..live with it

    "once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"

    by jerseyjoew on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:36:41 PM PST

  •  May I suggest another poll item? (8+ / 0-)

    "Yes, just because we can."

    The Pubs shouldn't have all the fun ...

  •  Does he need to be, like, (5+ / 0-)
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    PhillyGal, citizenx, pgm 01, shann, Angry Mouse

    inaugurated first?

    Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

    by bugscuffle on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:37:26 PM PST

  •  I'm not for recall unless we get something solid (3+ / 0-)

    What I am for is that, flush with victory, Chris Christie then gets his pants sued off him by Monty Python.

  •  This is ok (2+ / 0-)
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    Desert Rose, eXtina

    Cory Booker will be ready next time

  •  Come on.... (3+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, bugscuffle, annominous

    This is how democracy works right. You win sometimes, your opposition wins sometimes too.  

    Rabindranath Tagore-"Bigotry tries to keep truth safe in its hand with a grip that kills it."

    by joy sinha on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:40:32 PM PST

  •  That's nonsense. People went and voted for him (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, dennisl

    and the democratic candidate lost. Period.

    Now, go find a viable candidate, recruit him, and get him to run in 2013. Of course, by then the economy will be in a better condition, and Christie would claim it.

    Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB election

    by Mutual Assured Destruction on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:43:41 PM PST

    •  Do you know some of the allegations... (1+ / 0-)
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      shpilk

      against Christie? Senator Mendez has made a formal complaint.

      He is corrupt and he likely broke the law (more than once).

      I really don't think a lawbreaker deserves to be governor.

      http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

      by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:47:30 PM PST

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      •  Corzine ran ads highlighting those accusations. (1+ / 0-)
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        wishingwell

        I assume voters knew about them or at least heard about them.

        Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB election

        by Mutual Assured Destruction on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:03:33 PM PST

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        •  No (0+ / 0-)

          Actually the Corzine ads did not run ads highlighting the accusations about his abuse of office. They ran ads about his traffic violations.

          They did not run ads about his hiring of a campaign donor's son who was universally rejected as a suitable candidate by all who interviewed him--at which point Chris Christie changed the hiring procedures so that the kid did not have to go through a second round of interviews and hired him anyway.

          The ads did not discuss Christie having his former assistant--who remained in the US attorney's office after Christie left--thwart the Corzine campaign's FOIA filings (which were released only after she resigned).

          There is strong also evidence (phone records) that Christie violated the law in leaking the subpoenas for three democratic NJ lawmakers under investigation. Leaking grand jury information is a crime.

          He also may be involved in the attorney firing scandal, may have violated the law in discussing his political candidacy with Rove while still US attorney, and may have committed unethical acts as US attorney in seeking to pursue charges against NJ senator for Menendez.

          Unfortunately Corzine's ads all focused on the small stuff.

          http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

          by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:09:59 PM PST

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          •  Let's disagree on this nicely. I am against (0+ / 0-)

            the recall process. That's my opinion.

            Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB election

            by Mutual Assured Destruction on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:13:44 PM PST

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            •  Not mad at you (1+ / 0-)
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              wishingwell

              more mad at NJ voters who don't pay close enough attention to realize how corrupt this guy is.

              http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

              by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:17:47 PM PST

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            •  Doesn't matter. If Christie is indicted... (0+ / 0-)

              and removed from office...  Kim Guadagno is waiting in the wings.

              Lieutenant Governor amendment

              With these concerns in mind, on Election Day, November 8, 2005, the voters passed an amendment to the New Jersey State Constitution that creates the position of Lieutenant Governor of New Jersey effective with the 2009 elections. The amendment also provides that in the event of a permanent vacancy in the office of Governor after January 17, 2006 and before the first Lieutenant Governor takes office in 2010, the President of the Senate, followed by the Speaker of the New Jersey General Assembly, would become Governor but will then vacate his or her Senate (or Assembly) seat by the action of assuming the office.

              The amendment provides a new order of succession:

                 In the event of a vacancy in the office of Governor resulting from the death, resignation or removal of a Governor in office, or the death of a Governor-elect, or from any other cause, the Lieutenant Governor shall become Governor, until a new Governor is elected and qualifies.

                 In the event of simultaneous vacancies in both the offices of Governor and Lieutenant Governor resulting from any cause, the President of the Senate shall become Governor until a new Governor or Lieutenant Governor is elected and qualifies. In the event that there is a vacancy in the office of Senate President, or the Senate President declines to become Governor, then the Speaker of the General Assembly shall become Governor until a new Governor or Lieutenant Governor is elected and qualifies. In the event that there is a vacancy in the office of Speaker of the General Assembly, or if the Speaker declines to become Governor, then the functions, powers, duties and emoluments of the office shall devolve for the time being upon such officers and in the order of succession as may be provided by law, until a new Governor or Lieutenant Governor is elected and qualifies. (Article V, Section I, paragraph 6)

              <div style="color: #a00000;"> Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshal

              by bronte17 on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:22:13 PM PST

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  •  how about a little cheese (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bugscuffle

    with that .

    The Password is....

    (Betty White says with a bit of a slurrrrrrrrr "Chardonnayyyyyyyyeeee".

    we win some, we lose some. The fight goes on.

    "The United States does not Torture". War Criminal George W. Bush-10-5-07

    by Chamonix on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:46:42 PM PST

  •  this is a democracy (4+ / 0-)
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    bronte17, VClib, bugscuffle, 2020adam

    you should abide by the result and the choice of the electorate.

    But if that doesn't suffice to discourage you, here's a purely pragmatic concern: the recall in CA had corporate backing, and the backing of multiple right-wing interest groups--anti-tax types and the NRA.

    Unless you can muster that kind of support, it will fail.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:47:21 PM PST

    •  It is a democracy (0+ / 0-)

      That is why our Constitution has a recall option.

      A recall election is not a violation of democracy.

      http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

      by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:48:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  you can't recall an elected official (0+ / 0-)

        for something he hasn't yet done.

        If he's a criminal, the courts will decide.

        Don't try to ape the GOP's anti-democratic tactics. Trying to beat them at their own game is a losing battle. It only tarnishes the legitimacy of democracy itself.

        Work like hell to rebuild the Democratic party and get a better candidate next time. That's all.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:59:34 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  He has done it (0+ / 0-)

          He hasn't been charged and indicted, but he did do "it."

          And you can actually recall an elected official in NJ for any reason, according to the NJ state constitution.

          However, you can't do it until right before the end of his first year, so hopefully the indictments will be rolled out before then.

          http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

          by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:01:59 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  fine then (0+ / 0-)

            If the justice system in NJ still works, wait for it to work.

            If it doesn't work, then you've got a problem. But you can't be judge, jury, and executioner.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:08:58 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  The voters (0+ / 0-)

              would be the jury.

              That's why the recall election would be put on the ballot and get voted on.

              http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

              by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:10:44 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  the voters have voted for Christie (1+ / 0-)
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                wishingwell

                Evidently, they feel his alleged crimes don't prevent him from assuming the governorship.

                Unless some factor changes, the recall election will come out the same way.

                "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

                by limpidglass on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:20:31 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  The voters (0+ / 0-)

                  likely don't even know the extent of those alleged crimes because most people don't follow these things very closely.

                  I heard one voter interviewed who said he was voting for Christie, because he "always votes for the democrat."

                  NJ has its share of stupid people like every other state.

                  The voters did not vote for Christie as much as they voted against Corzine. Christie's popularity is pretty low in the state.

                  So I don't think a recall election would come out the same way, when the replacement would not be Corzine.

                  http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

                  by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:23:18 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

        •  You can't impeach a President for a blowjob (2+ / 0-)
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          CatM, arcticshadow

          but the Republicans did it anyway.

          We don't need a reason. The Republicans taught me that.

          Mr. President, please don't allow your administration to go down in history as the biggest missed opportunity of all time.

          by phenry on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:03:40 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  25% signature hurdle (0+ / 0-)

        The recall provisions regarding the number of signatures required is much higher than California and would be difficult and very expensive to obtain.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:20:42 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  This is snark, right? (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    I'm all for hitting the GOP the way they hit the left on all sorts of things. But an election is an election, it doesn't work this way.

    This is the sort of shit the GOP pulls to get rid of democracy. Argue against the Senate or stand up against anti-democratic voter registration requirements. Don't run around mimicking their totalitarian mob-rule bullshit. Deal with the loss and get pissed at Corzine, if you like. But act like an adult and deal with the results.

    •  It's tongue in cheek (1+ / 0-)
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      Liberal Of Limeyland

      but not snark.

      That being said, a recall election is not a violation of democracy, considering it is a legitimate provision in the New Jersey Constitution.

      Since when is employing one's state constitution a violation of democracy?

      http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

      by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:49:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Just like the Senate is anti-democratic. (0+ / 0-)

        It is in the Constitution, yes. But it undoubtedly gives massive power to tiny minorities in very small states.

        •  I don't see how (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Liberal Of Limeyland

          First you have to get over a million signatures, then you have to get it on the ballot, then it has to be voted on.

          So I don't see how it gives massive power to tiny minorities, since it would never pass without a majority of voters supporting it.

          http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

          by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:52:01 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Mob Rule is not the idea. (1+ / 0-)
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            dennisl

            Our nation is not a pure democracy, with a public assembly voting on every measure. We send representatives to stand up for us, for limited periods of time. I'm not sure that I'm a huge fan of that fact, given how far those representatives are from being able to understand our needs, working many miles away from real people. But that is the system we have. People can't govern if they are forever fighting the small number of people it takes to even just create the ballot initiative.

            You don't need a majority of the population, to win a ballot measure. You just need to have enough $$ to create a successful Get Out The Vote effort.

            •  It's in the Constitution (2+ / 0-)
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              Liberal Of Limeyland, 2020adam

              If it was not meant to be used, then it should not be there.

              If Christie had not seemingly committed crimes and been steeped in corruption, I would feel differently.

              If you could recall a senator would you not support efforts to recall Lieberman? I would.

              http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

              by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 07:57:44 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  I would destroy the whole Senate (0+ / 0-)

                before ever getting involved in the recall of individual Senators. We need to either leave elected officials in place once they have one, or reform the system. But you can't just hamstring the whole game by constantly keeping people on their toes with recalls. I'm not saying there's any frivolity here. I'm just saying that we need to deal with it when we lose, fair and square.

                If you think prosecutors should still go after Christie, then I'm all for that. And if that leads him to step down or do something illegal to defend himself while in office, then fine. But unless the devil does something improper while in the office itself, it strikes me as only right to do whatever you can through the legislature to hold him up, and to call for prosecution. You can't uphold the spirit of the system - damned though it might be - with constant recall efforts for prior bad acts, etc.

                •  Not quite what I meant (0+ / 0-)

                  I am not proposing a recall proposition for senators. But if there was already one in place in the Constitution--as there is for NJ governor--I would most certainly want to take advantage of it if I lived in NJ.

                  http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

                  by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 09:05:33 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I'm not against the theoretical proposition... (0+ / 0-)

                    that it's not against any written rule to do what you propose. I guess I'm just in favor of letting the spirit of an election stand, if there was no fraud.

                    Maybe that's just old fashion, and I need to wake up to the fact that if conservatives are going to break the spirit of the rules at every turn, we need to do the same, wherever possible. Maybe. I dunno.

  •  Sorry. He won. (1+ / 0-)
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    limpidglass

    We can't mount a recall campaign every time a Republican legitimately wins an election.

  •  I don't see Christie serving out a full term (6+ / 0-)

    He is incredibly corrupt and people don't like him, they are just annoyed at Corzine. New Jersey never like any of its governors or senators. I would not be suprised if the state senate removes Christie from office within a year. If Christie does stay for a full term, Cory Booker will run against him and crush him, I expect Christie's approval ratings to be quite low in 2012.

    •  Yeah? Is thet what Cory Booker (0+ / 0-)

      wamts to do?  I admire him.

      The reason we hold truth in such respect is because we have so little opportunity to get familiar with it. --Mark Twain

      by Desert Rose on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:03:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      I think the crimes he likely committed are pretty serious (major abuse of office). Based on the number of allegations and his personality, no doubt they are only the tip of the iceberg.

      I think an investigation will expose the facts, and once those come out, he will have to resign.

      http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

      by CatM on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:03:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Too Soon for that (0+ / 0-)

    It will be seen as wanting to undo the people's will.

    Whatever arguments you can advance in a recall election were likely already advanced in the election and if they weren't they should have been.

    Finally, since nothing's changed, your recall will likely fail.

    The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

    by BentLiberal on Tue Nov 03, 2009 at 08:04:32 PM PST

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