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You've seen the stories and about Bart Stupak.

You know Bart, he hates women, thinks that they are property, and is tied tightly to the Christianist-Fascist "Family" and C-Street, and he has no a primary opponent according to Act Blue.

With less than a year until the 2010 elections, and not even an exploratory committee for on Act Blue, there will not be a viable challenge.

So, the alternatives to this knuckle dragger is to vote for, and contribute to, an even worse knuckle dragger from the Republican Party (pardon me while I vomit), or support some sort of 3rd party coming from the left.

It could be any party: Green, US Labor, Working Families , or whatever the hell remains of Ross Perot's Reform Party, but we need to put someone on the ballot in MI-1 who doesn't think of a women's uterus as state property, because if Bart's amendment stays intact, then insurance that covers women's reproductive issues will be a thing of the past.

Originally posted to LunkHead on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 03:42 PM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Tip Jar (5+ / 1-)
    Recommended by:
    cville townie, catchaz, bucadibeppo, docb, jumpjet
    Hidden by:
    emilysdad

    6/24/05: Charlie the Tuna Creator Dies En lieu of flowers, please bring mayonnaise, chopped celery and paprika.

    by LunkHead on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 03:42:18 PM PST

  •  So basically (4+ / 0-)

    You're advocating Scozzafavaing him?

    Don't donate to the DSCC in 2010 - they'll give your money to Harry Reid. Donate to the candidates instead!

    by arcticshadow on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 03:43:57 PM PST

  •  No (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    akeitz, lazybum, emilysdad, James Allen

    No Green Party candidate. I don't want a Michelle Bachmann type winning there.

  •  Primary him first (8+ / 0-)

    Then, and only then, do you consider 3rd party.  Gotta give the democratic voters a chance to do the right thing before going nuclear (3rd party would mean repub win in this case).

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 03:47:09 PM PST

  •  primary or him (3+ / 0-)
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    akeitz, emilysdad, James Allen

    Get a viable primary challenger in time, or stick with him. There is still a discernable difference between him and a republican. House republicans vote no on everything--in block. Stupak amendment not worth losing the seat.

    •  but if you continue to tolerate lessor evils (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      jumpjet

      the differences will become more and more small as the conservatives foist more and more conservatives on you.  This is the clear pattern by now.  

    •  Dems have had a solid majority (0+ / 0-)

      in both houses for over two years. We have a bill passed in the House by 2 votes that is watered down to help the insurance corps and destroys a woman's right choose...Just what good is the Democratic party doing for us?
      The largest growing voting group is independent--perhaps it is time to look at electing people who will serve the American people and not a party that seems too weak kneed or owned or both to do the job!

      The repubs are shooting themselves in the foot daily-- so if the liberal dems and the independents unite behind candidates that hear us and are attuned to our needs--we might get legislators that would write legislation we can use instead of being used by the corporate interests!

      I am all for Change--lets start at the grass roots/ I want the conservative religious wingnuts out of my business along with the knuckle draggers that cave to them!

  •  You really think a Green is going to win... (3+ / 0-)

    ...the UP and the northern lower peninsula?

    Show me any polling that would indicate that the people of MI-1 are anywhere near aligned with the Green Party on the issues.

    Supporting a Green over Stupak would be handing the seat over to a Republican.

    Call Congress and demand 2 Senators, 1 VOTING Rep, and full home rule for DC citizens. Anything less is un-American.

    by mistersite on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 03:52:55 PM PST

  •  I'd rather castrate myself (4+ / 0-)

    than vote for the Green Party, which is responsible for George Bush ruining the world thanks to its shenanigans with that old idiotic man on the ballot in NH and Florida in 2000.

  •  Yooper statehood party would work better (0+ / 0-)
    Funding doesn't matter nearly as much as being a Yooper.  The issue is feet on the street.  It's like Iowa without the big cities.
    •  Well, to be realistic (0+ / 0-)

      You can't walk this district. But there are tons of environmentally intelligent people in this district.

      If it weren't hunting season, I'd just invite everyone to our beach!

      Let's set up a site to Sink Stupak Now!

      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

      by MrMichaelMT on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 04:20:54 PM PST

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  •  How can I help? (0+ / 0-)

    Stupak is my congressman, and a constant embarrassment. I've argued for years that a "Green" or even libertarian caucus in the House would be a good move, because there would be more logical negotiations for each bill. (Far better than bleeding votes for President to a third party at this point!)

    Who is that great Green candidate?

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 04:16:52 PM PST

  •  Look, this requires work. (0+ / 0-)

    And I'm in. Set up a meeting. How many progressives are willing to put their feet where their keyboards are?

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 04:19:17 PM PST

  •  That's a hell of a campaign trail (0+ / 0-)

    Stupak's got. Frankly, I think we're lucky to have a Dem up there at all.

    Times, hard. People, starving. Foodbanks, empty. Bring them food, or donate now. (I'm on Twitter now)

    by Muskegon Critic on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 04:20:33 PM PST

  •  No matter what you do (0+ / 0-)

    ...you have to have a viable candidate named first.  I haven't heard any names floated.

    Are there any folks from MI-1 who can name some possible alternatives?

    BTW, who are the Republicans putting up against him?  Or are they giving him a pass?

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 04:30:13 PM PST

  •  Let me be more specific here (3+ / 0-)
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    Chi, LunkHead, lazybum

    I'm the parent of a paraplegic waiting for stem cell therapy. My objection to Stupak is both political and personal. I've been writing him for years.

    I'm willing to walk the streets and knock on doors, followed by my son in his wheelchair. I'm willing to put my money where my keyboard is.

    But I'm NOT willing to let a Republican take this seat. So it's important that a very intelligent and well-organized effort be initiated to sent Stupak home. Who's willing to join me?

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 04:30:21 PM PST

    •  You have to be willing to let a republican take (0+ / 0-)

      the seat temporarily or you will be inviting the Conservadems to spend a lot of capital to save him in the primary, like they did with Joe Lieberman.  It isn't as hazardous for us to lose a term or two like it is for the republicans because unlike the Palinists our ideas are popular with people.

  •  If the democrats don't put up a primary challenge (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    LunkHead

    voting green is the only logical option.  Yes, it may spoil and result in republican, but in the long term we make it unprofitable for dems to run blue dog candidates, so it is worth it.

  •  Let's make it simple for the DCCC (1+ / 0-)
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    SallyCat

    Either they cut Stupak loose and fund another candidate, or NO MORE MONEY, TIME OR GOTV.  Either the Dems are for equality of men and women or they are not.  Lastly, Stupak's involvement in C Street alone is a basis not to vote for him.  Show me one woman who is involved in C street other than as a maid.

  •  There's an easier and cheaper way, perhaps. (0+ / 0-)

    Just circulate petitions among MI-1 Democrats vowing they will stay home in November 2010 if he's the candidate.  That unites all of the anti-Stupak Democratic sentiment, and goads him into dismissing the sentiments of his constituents ("they're signing now but they'll come out in November), which is what can really start an avalanche against him.  Primaries risk dispersing energies and letting him through with a mere plurality, and after a primary there's usually a coming back to the fold.  If you start with a pledge not to support him in the end, you're more likely to have someone instead of Stupak in the end.

    Al que no le guste el caldo, le dan dos tazas.

    by Rich in PA on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 05:27:37 PM PST

  •  Ah, bummer... (0+ / 0-)

    I was going to suggest Steve Mariucci, but he contributed to Mike Bouchard's 2006 Republican campaign for Senate.

    Steve Mariucci is a Republican

    That probably means no Tom Izzo, either.  Bummer.

    http://twitter.com/mikeingels

    by DingellDem on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 05:30:18 PM PST

  •  Okay, here's what should happen. (1+ / 0-)
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    Karl Rover

    Michael Moore lives in Traverse City, just outside MI-01.  Everyone should pitch in and buy him a hunting shack in Antrim County.  That would place him inside MI-01, but within easy commuting distance of Traverse City.

    And he could bring the cameras with him for the primary challenge.

    That would be a LOT of fun.

    MI-01 Map

    Michael Moore Bio.

    http://twitter.com/mikeingels

    by DingellDem on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 05:37:43 PM PST

  •  First Stupak (2+ / 0-)
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    LunkHead, Karl Rover

    Support a primary challenge against Stupak and support a primary challenge against the 23 who voted for the Amendment and against the bill:

    AL-02 Bright (Blue Dog)
    AL-05 Griffith (Blue Dog)
    AL-07 Davis, A *
    AR-04 Ross (Blue Dog)
    GA-08 Marshall (Blue Dog)
    GA-12 Barrow (Blue Dog)
    KY-06 Chandler (Blue Dog)
    LA-03 Melancon (Blue Dog) **
    MN-07 Peterson (Blue Dog)
    MO-04 Skelton
    MS-01 Childers (Blue Dog)
    MS-04 Taylor (Blue Dog)
    NC-07 McIntyre (Blue Dog)
    MC-11 Shuler (Blue Dog)
    NM-02 Teague
    OH-16 Boccieri
    OK-02 Boren (Blue Dog)
    PA-04 Altmire (Blue Dog)
    PA-17 Holden (Blue Dog)
    TN-04 Davis, L (Blue Dog)
    TN-06 Gordon (Blue Dog)
    TN-08 Tanner (Blue Dog)
    UT-02 Matheson (Blue Dog)

    * - Expected to run for Governor of Alabama.  Support Ron Sparks in the primary.

    ** - Running for Senate from Louisiana.  Not sure what to recommend in the Senate race.  

    Cultivate pro-choice Republicans, especially pro-choice Republican women, to re-register Democratic and vote for the progressive challenger.  It should be easier to persuade them to re-register as Democrats as the tea-baggers become louder.

    If any of those Dems listed above survive a primary challenge, then do not support them in the fall.  Either skip the Congressional race or vote third party.  Even if we lose all of these 23 seats to GOPigs in the Fall of 2010, we still will control the House of Representatives.  Remember, if a GOPig had won any of these seats last year, it would not have made a difference on either the Stupak Amendment or the health care bill itself.

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