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Way back in October of 2007, I joined Redstate in an attempt to engage in some type of debate with Republicans.

Well, after waiting the 24 hour period before I could post (seriously?), I was banned within 1 day.  The posts I made were respectful (I refuse to insult anyone in a blog post - feels cheap) and were based on facts (which I specifically recall linking to).  Regardless - I was banned.  

But apparently, being banned from the site doesn't mean you still don't get mass emails from RedState.  Most of the time, I read them for fun - wondering what the far right is upset about now.  But every now and then I respond.  Here, I share the email from Erick Erickson, and my response.

First the email:

From: Erick Erickson <Erick.Erickson@RedState.com>
To: ME!
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 8:48:55 AM
Subject: Stop Obama From Importing Terrorists Stateside

Today Barack Obama is going to announce that the terrorist mastermind of September 11th, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, will be sent to New York City for a criminal trial in a civilian court.

In that trial, the terrorist will get all the rights afforded an American citizen in a criminal trial, including the right to a fair trial, the right to a taxpayer funded attorney, the right to review all the evidence against him, potentially including classified intelligence matters, the right to exclude evidence against him including, potentially, any confession obtained through enhanced interrogation techniques, etc.

At best, this will be a show trial fit not for the American Republic, but a third world kleptocratic totalitarian regime.  At worse, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will gain access to classified material he can then leak to other terrorists while New York yet again becomes a target for terrorists.  We have already had occasions in this country where terrorists' sympathetic lawyers have conveyed information, orders, and plans to other terrorists.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!  SCARY!  

My response:

What's your solution?  Kill him outright?

I say give him a trial.  Does he deserve all the rights afforded a US citizen?  No, but he deserves basic human rights.  And I consider a trial by your peers to be one of those.

Everyone thinks he's guilty, right?  So let him have his trial and it'll be proven he's guilty.  We need to take the high road here, otherwise we're no better than the terrorists who exact what they feel is justified murder.

And honestly - with the state of our economy and health care system, this is what you want to get people to focus on?  Fear, fear, fear.  That's the only card Republicans seem able to play.

Fine.  You worry about this, and let the adults work on the more pressing issues.

-Ryan

PS - Don't you think your overstating your beliefs a little with 'keptocratic totalitarian regime?'  You might want to read what real kleptocracies are like: http://en.wikipedia.org/...

That's all I got.  If anyone else would like to send Erick the Red an email, the return address on that email I got was Erick.Erickson@RedState.com.  Who knows if it's a real account he reads or just the 'reply-to' address for mass emails.  

UPDATE:

jsfox posted a diary on the same subject, but made a good point.

Erick Erickson encouraged people to call their senators and let them know what they think of this:

Call your Congressman and Senator right now.  Tell them they should use every tool at their disposal to block this.  The number to call is 202-224-3121.

Replace his word 'block' with 'support' and that seems about right.

I think we should take him up on his wonderful advice.  Please call them and tell them you'd like to see civility and justice done.

Originally posted to R.T. Kaelin on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:25 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    Why has gov't been instituted at all? Because the passions of man will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint. --A. Hamilton

    by bobcatgrad on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:25:31 AM PST

    •  Just heard back (0+ / 0-)

      It read:

      This is an unchecked email account.  To unsubscribed to RedState emails, please use the unsubscribe link on the email received.

      To contact Erick Erickson, please use his direct email account, or the general RedState email account: contact@redstate.com

      I will re-send my reply to contact@redstate.com toot sweet.

      PS If anyone knows the origin of "toot sweet" I'd appreciate learning what it is.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:47:14 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Here you go (1+ / 0-)
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        JBL55

        toot sweet
        adverb

          1. (slang) Real quick, in a hurry.

           The train's about to leave; you'd better get down here !

        Etymology: Whimsical Anglicisation of tout de suite

        Why has gov't been instituted at all? Because the passions of man will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint. --A. Hamilton

        by bobcatgrad on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:59:32 AM PST

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  •  Opps (2+ / 0-)
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    Dallasdoc, JBL55

    Beat me to it. I'll delete mine on the very same subject.

    One add I suggest we do what Erick asks. Call your Senators and Congress people and tell them you think about time we practiced what we preached about the rule of law. We are not afraid.

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:29:45 AM PST

  •  the problem is that the original WTC (1+ / 0-)
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    JBL55

    bombers got an ordinary trial and ordinary jail sentences just as if they were ordinary criminals. So I guess the Ericksteria we are now witnessing and has his panties in a twist is somehow a manisfestation that he is afraid that a noncitizen will actually be treated as if he is a citizen?

    (My guess is that the fear is facts regarding the defendent's torture will become public and torture B&D afficionidos will suddenly not be in public favor)

    Time for Erick to go back to his backyard bunker and wait to repel the hoardes of Islamic invaders with his genuine James Arness cap pistol  

  •  Heh. I was there and banned within a few hours. (2+ / 0-)
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    Dallasdoc, JBL55

    This was a few years ago.  I was civil; just questioned the war in Iraq.

    What a bunch of cowards.

    So old I remember when NASA was just two drunk guys and a case of dynamite

    by dov12348 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:40:20 AM PST

  •  I got one, too. (2+ / 0-)
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    Loquatrix, multilee

    And here I thought getting banned from Red State would mean I'd never hear from little Erik again.

    This is my response:

    As a former resident of the New York metro area, I for one am delighted.  KSM committed his crimes primarily in New York City, and the people of New York deserve to have his trial in their jurisdiction.  They are more than up to the task as the trial for the 1993 WTC bombers was also held in NYC.  

    KSM does not deserve any special treatment, certainly not the dignity of a military trial which could be used by sympathetic scumbag propagandists to portray him as the head of a sovereign nation, which he is not.  

    Since we have experience in monitoring potentially sympathetic lawyers and the possible transmission of classified material, I have doubt we will have any problems along those lines.

    It is sad that you have so little confidence in our judicial system and so little respect for the rule of law.  That you are capable of seeing this as having the potential for "show trial fit not for the American Republic, but a third world kleptocratic totalitarian regime" is disgusting and un-American.

    Shame on you.

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:41:46 AM PST

    •  You have to wonder... (2+ / 0-)
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      JBL55, multilee

      How many responses he gets from progressives saying "dude - you're nuts."

      I'm betting more than ones saying "YEEEE-HAH!  Ur rite man.  Damn wussy librals our ruining my country."

      Why has gov't been instituted at all? Because the passions of man will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint. --A. Hamilton

      by bobcatgrad on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 06:49:10 AM PST

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  •  Eric Erickson, your Viking ancestors laugh at you (3+ / 0-)
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    Loquatrix, JBL55, multilee

    What a pussy.  What an absolute fucking coward, piece of shit, unworthy of a Viking funeral you are.

    Your shitstained underwear is your badge of shame.  And you wear them well.  I pity you.

    •  And I hope he's not related to the Eric Ericson (0+ / 0-)

      of The Counterfeit Traitor fame.

      (American/Swedish oil man who worked as a spy for the Allies in WWII, gave us enough info to bomb German oil rigs and cut off a lot of their fuel - in the movie he was initially unwilling until he saw a concentration camp, in real life he was on our side from day one)

      I've got 20 minutes to save the world and the Post Office is closed! - The (11th) Doctor, Doctor Who, episode yet to be aired

      by The YENTA Of The Opera on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 08:12:12 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The difference between reality based blogs and (1+ / 0-)
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    JBL55

    the right is that here anyone can exhibit thier stupidity or smarts with virtually no chance of being banned.

    Progressives will listen to anyone-even if your tinfoil hat is askew on your head.

    The right has to police postings with a heavy hand on the ban button. They can't let any stray thoughts lead to any questions of authorit-a-a-y (Cartman).

    The regimented minds of the right cannot handle the chaos that is reality.

  •  I refuse to fear equal justice under law. (0+ / 0-)

    The goal of terrorism is to make us live every day in fear. I choose not to let them win.

    Blue Light Special Announcement:
    Will all fearmongers please go remove their "No Fear" decals from their vehicles in idiot hypocrite parking Just Say No Zone?  They are blocking intelligent thought lanes.

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 08:36:01 AM PST

  •  I loved the unintentional irony (0+ / 0-)

    (at which the right excels) of this:

    In that trial, the terrorist will get all the rights afforded an American citizen in a criminal trial, including the right to a fair trial, the right to a taxpayer funded attorney, the right to review all the evidence against him, potentially including classified intelligence matters [FAIL, Erick - cf. the al-Haramain case, you idiot], the right to exclude evidence against him including, potentially, any confession obtained through enhanced interrogation techniques [more commonly referred to as "torture," you moron]

    And, in Erick's tiny little mind, such silly provisions for criminal defendants are worthy only of

    a show trial fit not for the American Republic, but a third world kleptocratic totalitarian regime.

    A true patriot.

    Back in my day you didn't recommend somebody, you called them an asshole. - sparks, DKos sage

    by occams hatchet on Fri Nov 13, 2009 at 09:27:02 AM PST

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