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I realize we have discussed this issue but really, we need an action plan in 2010 or we will loose and loose badly.

I think all of us on the Kos site realize the problem: We have an Enthusiasm Gap. We can say all there is about the Tea Baggers are older white misinformed hateful voters but they are going to vote and in large numbers.
We have all looked at the Demographic trends and realize we will have a majority of young, Hispanic, African American and Asan voters who are basically progressive.  What good is it if they only vote on major elections
I have some ideas of how to address this

  1. Focus of issues relevant to young people: Progressive Democrats need to be talking about Affordable College Education and all of the time. We need to take that message to the colleges and progressive web sites and to Jon Stewart (he has a bigger audience than O'Reilly or Beck) and get them excited that we are actually going to legislate something that will make a difference in their lives
  1. Pass meaningful Health Care: Even if we don't get the public option if we put an end to pre -existing conditions that the public can actually feel we accomplished a change
  1. Immigration Reform: Evey poll in the Hispanic organizations points to immigration reform as tops among Hispanic Voters. They already have a low opinion of the GOP and its not getting any better. If we start this discussion the GOP will self destruct with hateful messages and give this demographic someone to vote for and someone to vote against.
  1. Focus Groups: Has anyone actually asked the various demographics why they don't vote on off year elections and what needs to be done to reverse that trend.
  1. Make voting cool: I know this sounds cliché but what if Russell Simmons and the various HIP-HOP artists got involved and we got some messages to vote and get involved Hey, its worth a try.

And above all, stay away from Republican Lite` If the Virginia elections taught us anything, progressives stay home when Republican lite is on the balot and Republicans will vote for Republicans.

Anybody else have any suggestions

Originally posted to Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:15 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

    by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:15:05 AM PST

    •  Personally? I believe if we mobilize NOW and (3+ / 0-)

      do everything we cal to pass HCR with a strong PO. Work like maniacs on the rest of the changes coming down in the next 12 months the Republicans don't have a chance. Now is not the time to make more promises but keep the promises made. Doing that will give this administration some real credibility with new voters and formerly disinterested voters.

    •  We have huge problems in Ohio (2+ / 0-)
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      especially one big problem: Jennifer Garrison, our candidate for secretary of state. If the Ohio Democratic Party doesn't push her off the ticket and find someone else, the "enthusiasm gap" (more like "enthusiasm lack") in the gay community and among women could take down most of our other statewide races and even a couple of congresspeople. I'm sorry but this is the wrong climate for Democrats to be running an anti-gay, anti-choice radical. Republican lite? She's more like Republican heavy — her anti-choice positions are well to the right of most REPUBLICAN women. ("Fetal Personhood" amendment? Really?)

      We may also have a problem if Lee Fisher becomes our Senate candidate. He hasn't been running a strong issues campaign (people keep asking what he's done and what he stands for but he tries to avoid saying); he brags about his money but will have much less than the Republican; he's vulnerable because he quit his job as director of development mid-term; he's lost support in the state's biggest Democratic cunty by taking sides in a controversial county issue — on the Republican side; and he's earned a lot of resentment over the bullying tactics of his campaign in trying to supress he opponent's fundraising. These are all reasons why I am supporting and volunteering for his opponent, Jennifer Brunner, who I think would enrgize women and be a significant factor in increasing enthusiasm.

      So you see, we're dealing with lots of local factors here.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:33:22 AM PST

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  •  we can rally the troops (5+ / 0-)

    I think this will be the result of a lot of ground work.

    "the government is full of vampires!" - Glenn Beck

    by superHappyInDC on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:22:34 AM PST

  •  A few problems.. (0+ / 0-)

    First off, you're completely off when you say:

    We need to take that message to the colleges and progressive web sites and to Jon Stewart (he has a bigger audience than O'Reilly or Beck)

    Actually, it's not even close.. Beck has over 3 million viewers some days.. Jon Stewart about 1 million.  O'Reilly hits 5 million some nights.  His 25-54 ratings are better than Olbermann's total viewership!

    Late-Night Ratings Results for the Week of October 19-23

    TOTAL VIEWERS

    Comedy Central, 11 p.m. ET, "The Daily Show," 1.1 million Comedy Central, 11:30 p.m. ET, "The Colbert Report," 0.8 million

    So, don't look to Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert for help..

    Secondly, healthcare reform a la Pelosi is not something many young people want.  Young people will be affected by the mandates to the tune of several thousand dollars per year.  It's a very tough sell.

    Immigration reform?  Nope.  When you are losing 1/2 million jobs every week.. week after week... you are going to try to sell to the American public that we need to embrace 20 million undocumented workers and accept them into our job force?  Why do you think the Dems have been so silent on this issue?

    Nice try.. but I think the only way to get Dems motivated to vote will be some sort of unforeseen crisis or something.  Barring that, it will be a bloodbath.

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

    by Skeptical Bastard on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:45:36 AM PST

    •  OK (0+ / 0-)

      I am wrong about Stwart but his audience is the one we want. Forget Beck and O'Reilly
      Hispanics are the fastest and largest progressive demographic group. As we speak, the most common name in the state of Teyxas is Jose`. Immigration reform is tops on their list. Even US citizens who are Hispanic favor Immigration reform
      I didn't say Health Care as its written but more what Anthony Weiner is calling for.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:55:06 AM PST

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    •  Young people will carea bout choice (1+ / 0-)
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      We cannot run anti-choice Democrats, especially RADICAL anti-choice Democrats who are not supporting the Prevention First measure currently in the Ohio House of Representatives. I'm going to my rep's house later (she's health committee chair and overseeing this) and I expect to hear some choice words!

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:35:05 AM PST

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    •  Young Democrats want good public health care. (1+ / 0-)
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      They understand that we are leaving them a mess and they want it fixed.
      So, your idea that we have to sell it to them is a little backwards

      healthcare reform a la Pelosi is not something many young people want.  Young people will be affected by the mandates to the tune of several thousand dollars per year.  It's a very tough sell.

      the fact is they are selling it to us.

      •  Dont talk at thm (0+ / 0-)

        Talk to them. I want them to get excited that we are going to do something.
        The other issue is jobs and the economy. I really believe that if the economy improves, the other factors will turn around. There was some good news that was totally unreported: Copper Prices went up to $3.00/pound last month. I am not an economist but it is my understanding that copper trading is an excellent indicator of future economy activity. Copper is essential to almost all of our activities: manufacturing,housing construction, all require copper in some way. if there is an increase in cooper sales, (not speculation) that means increasing economic activity follows and consequently hiring.
        Cross our fingers and hope.

        FDR did very well in the mid-term elections when the unemployment went from 25% to7%.

        a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

        by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 08:42:31 AM PST

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    •  i woudln't be surprised at the overall trend (0+ / 0-)

      Late-Night Ratings Results for the Week of October 19-23

      But those are Neilsen numbers.  They are good at measuring what people watch on TV.  My kids are equally likely to watch shows on something called "the internets".  The Neilsen ratings model has some flaws.

      But I agree with the overall points in your post about immigration and health care.

  •  OFA is doing all of this. (1+ / 0-)
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    But we're boycotting OFA, so we're not.

    I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

    by doc2 on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:04:09 AM PST

    •  I am not (1+ / 0-)
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      boycotting OFA. Look politics is not perfect. If we seek only candidates that are ideologically pure we become as bad as the tea baggers. Its a loose loose situation.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:13:01 AM PST

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    •  NO OFA is not doing that (0+ / 0-)

      OFA has been focused on getting the President's agenda through Congress, but they were largely missing in action on the off year election scene this year from what I could see.  

      OFA strikes me as an emerging problem, basically a parallel Democratic Party pursuing its own ends.  If that continues it could be a big problem next year.

  •  What do you mean 'loose'? (1+ / 0-)
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    •  I am nervous (1+ / 0-)
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      and I added an extra "o" and because "loose" is a word in the English, the automatic spell check did not catch it We will lose if we do not increase turnout. -

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:53:02 AM PST

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  •  this won't work... (0+ / 0-)

    Pass meaningful Health Care: Even if we don't get the public option if we put an end to pre -existing conditions that the public can actually feel we accomplished a change

    Because of the uproar over skyrocketing costs and premiums (or skyrocketing copays, or most likely, both) as current legislation stands.

    Policy matters. As for party, if you want my support, you damned well have to earn it!

    by papicek on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 09:35:11 AM PST

    •  Then fix it (2+ / 0-)
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      How come both Medicaid and the VA Administration
      have lower costs administrating/operating costs than most HMO's ?
      Does it not work because it can't work or because we don't want it to work. I studied Public Health Administration as well as Epidemiology and Bio-statistics. If congress would start listening to the professionals who have both technical and operational expertise on this topic and less time quoting lobbyists, maybe we can get something that is workable There are ways to control costs.
      We have to start being idiots.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 09:44:06 AM PST

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      •  this, I can get behind... (0+ / 0-)

        I studied Public Health Administration as well as Epidemiology and Bio-statistics. If congress would start listening to the professionals who have both technical and operational expertise on this topic

        Where are their findings?

        Policy matters. As for party, if you want my support, you damned well have to earn it!

        by papicek on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 10:41:22 AM PST

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        •  Start with this (1+ / 0-)
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          American Journal of Public Health September 2009
          An article published by S. Woodlander et al.
          Every year over 40,000. Ameicans die from lack of health insurance.
          No joke. This is serious well written well documented article Peer reviewed- I wonder if S. Palin knows what peer-review is.

          As far as costs goes, why can't Mediciad be allowed to negotiate prices like the VA?
          I am not talking about strong arm tactics but entering into negotiations with the drug companies to agree upon a price.

          Reimbursement formulas for hospitals and institutions are complicated and need to be studies and simply not let the lobbyists dictate them to you.

          Personally, I am disgusted with the whole debate and total unprofessional conduct on all sides.

          a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

          by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 10:59:50 AM PST

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          •  evidently, the US... (0+ / 0-)

            subsidizes lower pharma prices around the world. In the FRONTLINE story, Sick Around The World, T. R. Reid states that Swiss pharmaceutical companies derive some 30% of their profits from the unregulated US market. I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't be surprised. It fits into the narrative I prefer, I admit.

            I can't find an article by S. Woodlander on healthcare other than the one he authored for the UN on the effects of racism on healthcare. At any rate, I've found that the AJPH articles are subscriber only.

            ::

            The quality of debate is focused more on political concerns than on reliable data with depth, I agree. So people's approach, on both sides, is more about affecting the outcome than on the quality of that outcome. I'm as guilty as any in this. I don't blame ordinary people (on either side) for this. Despite the huge amount of transparency evident during this debate (N.B.: the democratic congress is alone responsible for this, not the White House), the process has yielded proposals largely cooked up behind closed doors, without procedural input from the public. Healthcare and pocketbook are both hot-button issues, too.

            And we're up against some pretty powerful players on the other side. The Hill reports that the same insurance company organization that scotched HCR back in 1994 has come out of mothballs to fund a $10 million saturation ad campaign, starting tomorrow, in critical states with conservadem senators.

            Policy matters. As for party, if you want my support, you damned well have to earn it!

            by papicek on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 07:19:20 PM PST

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            •  Heres a link to the journal article (1+ / 0-)
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              http://pnhp.org/...

              Its a PDF format. It contains a lot of stuff the public would find boring: Epidemiology and Statistics.
              Dr. Steffie Woodhandler et al are brilliant researchers but they are not the type who would appear on Oprah and/or The View. But they are the kind of people we should be listening to. I find, even conservatives will stand up and listen when they speak

              a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

              by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 08:17:22 PM PST

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              •  thanks... (0+ / 0-)

                I'll be packing the lappie to work to read it.

                Policy matters. As for party, if you want my support, you damned well have to earn it!

                by papicek on Mon Nov 16, 2009 at 06:37:42 AM PST

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                •  You have to read it several times (0+ / 0-)

                  The conclusions are startling but the article is very dry;lots of statistical analysis and graphs and overlapping pie charts.
                  Congressmen Alan Grayson made excellent use of this article in his deliberations.
                  Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont (I wish we had a couple more like him)
                  knows Stephie Woodhandler and considers her a valuable resource.
                  This research team also published some studies about health care in the Prisons that worth investigating

                  a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

                  by Jamesleo on Mon Nov 16, 2009 at 06:55:56 AM PST

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          •  if you put... (0+ / 0-)

            health care professionals (i.e.: doctors, epidemiologists, administrators, HC economists and businessmen) into a room and asked them to craft HCR in the US, what do you think it would look like? (I purposely exclude both insurance company executives and politicians from this.)

            What kind of data would be used to reinforce their findings?

            An interesting thought experiment. Perhaps one that should be made real.

            Policy matters. As for party, if you want my support, you damned well have to earn it!

            by papicek on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 08:06:13 PM PST

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  •  We Need Knock-Down, Drag-Out Fight Going On (0+ / 0-)

    What we need, to mobilize the electorate, is an explicit call from Obama for more backup in the Congress, to carry out his program.

    He needs to point to the remnant Blue Dog/Republican cabal as being the only thing holding us back from being able to surge forward into the 21st Century, for justice and peace, to save the planet.

    He needs to call on the Democratic Party to bring forward the Better Democrats, the Progressives, and to kick the Blue Dogs to the curb.  That needs to start before the primaries, while potential candidates are being considered and selected.

    He needs to come out and endorse and campaign for the progressives, and call for the Blue Dogs to be replaced with progressives in the primaries.

    Meanwhile, progressives need to be rounding up their posse and going down to their local party headquarters en masse, to take the place over, including the process of writing the platform and selecting delegates and candidates.  

    Whoever shows up and does the work, participates in the meetings and assumes the functionary positions, will be the ones in charge of that process, of selecting who's going to run, and what they are going to run on.

    As long as the Chamber of Commerce is running it, we're screwed.  A "voice" or a "seat at the table", or even a simple majority, won't cut it.  We need a Progressive super-majority, to really cut off at the knees the jive "debate" and sabotage, and to surge forward, at any level, from the "bottom" to the "top".

    We need an historic, unprecedented interim election voter turnout in 2010, and again in 2012.  That will not be accomplished with the usual old GOTV rah rah.

    There needs to be a knock-down, drag-out fight going on, not only to suppress the Republicans electorally, but also to purge the Blue Dogs from our own party, democratically.

    The principle reason some 100 million eligibles refused to vote, even for Obama, was disgust with the Blue Dogs, and a perception of "no difference" between the parties.

    That's a huge latent mostly progressive electoral pool that we need to tap.

    The right has no electoral reserves to call up.

    The right is all in.  They have consistently turned out their entire constituency over these many years, to just barely seize and hold the power, mainly by suppressing likely Democratic voter turnout by hook and by crook.  

    Unusually large numbers of voters turning out always favors the Democrats, and can overwhelm the dirty tricks of the Republicans.  

    Indeed, despite 30 years of all-out 24/7 monopoly corporate commercial mass media blitz on all channels, ratcheted up to hysterical, draconian proportions before and since the elections, Obama and a Progressive Caucus majority were elected.  

    Public opinion has reached a critical mass, and it's moving left.  We are NOT going back.

    We need to distinguish the differences between the parties more clearly, specifically by attacking and purging the Blue Dogs, and calling on the electorate to step up and help us, to save the party, to save the nation, and yes, even to save the planet.

    Lastly, resolute grassroots organizing, house to house, especially in those "conservative districts" most likely to produce Blue Dog candidates.  Districts can be swung to the left, forcing candidates to move left, or be replaced...it requires relentless organizing, door to door.  Democrats need to be volunteering at all churches, community organizations and charities, to demonstrate that we are the ones who care, and are willing and able to do something about what people in our districts are going through.

    People are not stupid.  Everyone needs health care, jobs, etc.  We want to give it to them, and the right does not.  The right is no longer politically correct in this country.  They are dead meat, politically.  All we have to do is step up and deal the coup de grace.  The Blue Dogs must be purged.

    When the electorate sees a real knock-down drag-out fight going on, for the very heart and soul of the Democratic Party, that will perk up interest, and stimulate voter turnout, more than any tired old run of the mill GOTV campaign.

    Youth, rappers, etc, will step forward, and bring their own persepectives, calling on their peers to join the battle.

    The people who rallied to elect Obama will also rally to give him the backup that he needs, to fend off the counter-revolutionary traitors who are trying to bring him down.  

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    by Radical def on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 10:17:41 AM PST

  •   J O B S (0+ / 0-)

    The message has to be on jobs if the job situation improves then folks would be more receptive to anything else on the agenda.

    •  Amen (0+ / 0-)

      There was some very hopeful news regarding copper prices. I am going to post something as I started this thread today.
      Copper prices are at an all time high.
      According to many economists, when copper prices rise and purchases increase, that means an increase in economic activity.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 11:02:10 AM PST

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    •  Another point (0+ / 0-)

      FDR did very well in the midterm elections in his first term as unemployment went from 25% to 7%.
      if we see a significant reduction in unemployment that will help significantly.

      a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

      by Jamesleo on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 11:04:00 AM PST

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