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I guess I should clarify why I have quotation marks around we; "we" means GWB, DICK, Donald Rumsfeld, & Tommy Franks. But, sadly, they were the most powerful men in the world for 8 painful years in our nation's history. And, for mainly worse, they represented us and our nation to the entire world. So, according to an upcoming report from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, "we" let the mastermind of the most horrific attacks on our country go when we had him in our sights & cornered and only a few months after GWB vowed on the rubble of the World Trade Center that the whole world would hear our response to those attacks.

Details of the upcoming report can be found here, so I'll note just a few items & my own thoughts connecting this report to the announcement President Obama will make on Tuesday concerning our future in Afghanistan.

This story asserts this report may have been created in advance of people objecting to what President Obama has to say at West Point on Tuesday. That belief, I think, misses the point. Because of the criminal negligence of people who were supposed to "know better," President Obama has to choose the least bad of a whole host of horrible options for the involvement of our blood & treasure in a part of the world never conquered before - even by the likes of Alexander the Great & the "all - powerful" Soviet Union.

Osama Bin Laden expected to be caught; he knew he was in the sights of the most well - trained military in the world. He even drew up a willbecause he expected to die. But, decisions by then - SOD Donald Rumsfeld & General Tommy Franks diverted resources from the Tora Bora area & allowed the escape into the tribal areas of Pakistan where Osama Bin Laden & his "crew" probably still are and will remain because of an un - cooperative Pakistani government. But, that subject is "a whole other kettle of fish" & not the subject of this diary.

The point is that GWB & his peeps & their enablers who claim our country was kept safe during their watch are absolutely 1000% wrong, and there is proof of them being absolutely 1000% wrong. We had the "man" responsible for the deaths of over 3000 American citizens on a single horrific day in our sights, and we let him go. And, he's probably still alive, families world - wide have sacrified so much for so many years, and, no matter what President Obama announces on Tuesday, more American blood & treasure will be lost. We should've never gone into Iraq to begin with; our focus all along should've been getting this guy. And, I am comforted by the fact that President Obama has taken the time to think about the implications of his actions. I trust he has our nation's best interests & the interests of our military and their families at heart; look where acting with our "gut" got us.


Thoughts of strength & compassion to President Obama, anyone going into harm's way in Afghanistan, and to their families...


Originally posted to CityLightsLover on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 08:55 AM PST.

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  •  I listened to the story on MSNBC a few (8+ / 0-)

    minutes ago about how we were close to Osama but decided not to use military force to catch him.  No mention was made of the actual year(2001-2002), so I had to look up from my computer to see that they were talking about the bush years.

    The way this story is being told, it sounds like an argument for more troops to Afghanistan.  Assholes.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:02:59 AM PST

    •  Yep, And If We'd Just Done (7+ / 0-)

      what we should've done 8 years ago, none of this would be necessary.

      Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

      by CityLightsLover on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:04:36 AM PST

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      •  Let's now forget that while.. (2+ / 0-)
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        President Bill Clinton was in office, this government had OBL in their cross hairs. Once the shooters were just waiting for word to take him out, the mission was aborted. No wonder this terrorist has done what he did. I don't altogether blame him. I put much blame on this country for letting him to. After all, the Bushies were/are in bed with the Saudis, have been for a very long time. After 9/11 Bush had the OBL's family flown out of the country to safety. That when all planes were ordered not to fly..but his family was. This report you posted CLL infuriates me. It is something we all knew about, it's like pouring salt on a wound. Why rub our noses in it now. We don't want to know that the terrorist got away, we want to know why in the hell we're still in the middle east and sending in more troops?

        "If man could be crossed with the would improve man..but deteriorate the cat" ~ Mark Twain

        by lovescats on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 11:42:01 AM PST

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    •  I'm not sure of all the revisionism of (8+ / 0-)

      late - guess everything has to be whitewashed these days (compared to, for example, Seymour Hersh's account of Tora Bora when Bin Laden (or at least his associates) were deliberately let go)).

      It didn't happen through some sad level of incompentence that so many attribute many of the more evil incidents (Katrina, for example) of the Bush Administration to.

      No, it was all done on purpose.

  •  It should be noted that, in Rumsfeld's case, (7+ / 0-)

    "SOD" is not an acronym.

    This fuck is so bad, other fucks won't cluster with it! Yes, I write songs...

    by Crashing Vor on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:09:19 AM PST

  •  Doesn't surprise me. (2+ / 0-)
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    At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Bushco. had been planning to blow up Lake Michigan to take out Chicago and all its Democrats.

    It does sadden me, though.

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

    by allergywoman on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:16:39 AM PST

  •  I heard this report on Fox news this morning. (5+ / 0-)

    You will not beleive the spin they are putting on it. This is a story we have known for quite some time, however, Fox is treating it like "news". Their spin is the report was requested by John Kerry, and it is being released now on the eve of Obama's Afghanistan speech. Since John Kerry is a Democrat, they have deducted this is "simply political". Killing two birds with one stone, absolving the Bush administration for yet another screw-up, and trying to minimumize the impact of Obama's speech on Afghanistan.
    Of course it was reported on Fox and Friends this morning, Fox's trial balloon. If it flies on Fox and friends, they will run with it all day long. Also any blame at all is placed at the feet of Donald Rumsfeild.
    Where is that old Harry Truman motto, "the buck stops here". The way I see it, the Bush administration let him go, not the military, not Rummy, the Bush administration, that means G.W. Bush and Richard Cheney, they were in charge and they let him go. For whatever reason. Early 2002, I bet Rove was also involved in the decison to give him a pass, since they needed a boogyman to place fear in the hearts of the people they were chosen to rule.
    How could they invade Iraq, if we captured Bin Laden, he had to be released in order for their master plan to take hold? Just one more sickening aspect of the Bush administration, and their apologists at Fox.

    •  This was the First Time (4+ / 0-)

      I'd seen proof that we really had OBL in our sights & that he expected to be caught. I bet he laughed his fool head off when he managed to escape.

      Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

      by CityLightsLover on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:24:37 AM PST

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      •  Could be, or it could be his part of the deal (3+ / 0-)
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        was not to attack the U.S. as long as G.W. Bush was President and he could remain free. That is also part of my husband's theory. I know it sounds tin foilish, but when you realize Dick Cheney was calling all the shots, I don't think you can be too tin foilish. Also the Bush/Cheney mantra was then, and is today, "for 8 years we kept the U.S. free from another terrorist attack." The only way they could say this with any conviction was if they knew for sure Bin Laden wouldn't encourage another attack.

    •  My feeling is still that Osama was (5+ / 0-)

      considered more useful alive and at large by Cheney and probably Rove.  With OBL as boogeyman, BushCo could then continue on with their "war on terror", not end it. They could invoke the war powers act, trample the constitution, funnel billions to their military industrial complex cronies and generally ignore the they proceeded to do.

      Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité

      by snaglepuss on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 10:42:14 AM PST

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      •  The really insane thing about all of this is, (4+ / 0-)

        they got away with it.
        We are bragging we have the best military in the world, and when they had the opportunity to prove it true, they were cut off at the knees.
        I started to read the Senate report, and it is astounding how rather than caputure Bin Laden dead or alive the proirity for the Bush administration was to install Karzi as President. Just how is that one working out? I guess the Bush administration was not only involved in shady oil deals, but it appears they were also invested in drug trafficing as well. This all from the team who promised to restore honor and dignity to the White House. No sex with interns, but screw anyone you can, while you can.

    •  Try All Week Long (2+ / 0-)
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      "There ain't going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan." - David Obey

      by hopalong on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 10:56:48 AM PST

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  •  no... (2+ / 0-)
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    tung sol

    There is a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.--Oscar Levant

    by tung sol on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:31:18 AM PST

  •  I read about this on (6+ / 0-) and it has made me very angry.  Those bastards couldn't read real intelligence, were able to read fake intelligence and people who opposed them were called unpatriotic. Those bastards.  

    I want to push this report in every rethug's face until the ink is wiped clean off the paper and onto their nose.  This has made me furious and the teabaggers can go to hell.

    Those bastards.

    •  The Next Time "They" Claim (8+ / 0-)

      to have kept us safe, I want this report shoved down their pie - holes.

      Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

      by CityLightsLover on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:34:38 AM PST

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      •  I thought about pie, but rejected it as too ... (6+ / 0-)

        frivolous for this subject.  Thank you for taking time to do such an important diary during your well-deserved time off.  ;)

        ... defragmenting the attic ...

        by AnnaMolly on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:42:00 AM PST

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        •  Once I Saw the Story, (3+ / 0-)
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          I just had to say something because I know on Tuesday, there will be plenty of criticism leavied toward President Obama. He inherited a mell of a hess, and we all need to remember who's responsible for the mell of a hess.

          Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

          by CityLightsLover on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:57:37 AM PST

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          •  What people do not want to remember is that what (4+ / 0-)

            O DID NOT inherit was the situation on 2001 or the next, year, but a mess eight years deeper, with all sorts of problems, regime change in Pakistan and rising religous strife, a different Taliban funded by the drug trade and others,  the failure of successful regime change in Iraq and its collapse into three or more mutually hostile subgroups, one allied with Iran or apparently so, that Bush didn't have. What this means is that the cleaner no-war choice is not available, and even 'get out now' takes months and months, with troops still dying and being injured the whole time. Like so many other things, there is too much magic wand waving in the anti war position.

            And I do think it is clear that the Bush position here was that OBL was worth a whole lot more to him politically alive and loose than provably dead or captured, since it gave him a "Time of War' platform to do absolutely anything Rumsfeld and Cheney wanted to do, on the ground that they were protecting the nation from this fugitive and anyone who didn't see it their way was a traitor. In all sorts of areas which otherwise could not be touched by war. Oil reserves for war. No climate change because it blocked the war effort. Forget the Constitution but give me every trogdolyte conservative judge I can find because THEY will protect the nation, no veterans' benefits because we need them to stay in the army and benefits will encourage them to leave, financial institutions out of control because free enterprise will help pay for this mess, which is off the books so I don't have to reconcile the checking account, and war against the Taliban because they aren't in hiding and give good footage, and so on and so on.

            There is zero political benefit to O in going along with this mess, but there are political issues in how and under what circumstances to extract, how to pay for it and so on. Another situation where reality is ugly and takes time. Activists simply don't believe that. SO it will get loud.

            If he does what is whispered, I just wonder how the Rs are going to claim that not only is he weak in defending the national honor, as if there were any left after Bush, losing the war, and etc, and also not taking responsibility for creating the war, and ....whatever else anti-O they can come up with. It need not make sense and would be amusing if it were not so dangerous and damaging.

          •  This is true, but what is also true is (2+ / 0-)
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            Obama is a very different leader than Bush. I am reminded of the pirate episode, Obama set the mission and then allowed the seals to deliver on their terms. For all the bullshit about Bush listening to his commanders on the ground that was not true, the commanders on the ground at Tora Bora had it right, it was the Bush administration who stopped them, Rumsfeild, and Franks, on orders from Cheney.
            Funny, how we are all of the mind that bringing KSM to trial in a civillian court will reveal evidence of torture. What if it reveals evidence of deals made between Bin Laden and the Bush administration, via the Saudis?
            In my mind there is no excuse when you have Public enemey #1 in your sights to allow him to escape. Can you imagine those special forces people and the disgust they felt at the time, as well as the contempt for this U.S. Government for letting this happen. They were there to do a job, a job they spent years training for, and just minutes before they were able to complete the mission they were told to go home. That is pretty much what happened in a nutshell. This opens up all kinds of questions, wasn't Pat Tillman also a member of the special forces, what was it that he knew that turned him so against this administration, and was his death just friendly fire? I am just saying.

          •  This is true CLL, but what happened in the.. (1+ / 0-)
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            meantime after he promised we would be out of the middle east on his watch? Why is he always taking the 'wait and see' attitude? He has to know we can never win there. He reminds me of LBJ who continued to send in troops to Vietnam. We never won and 58,000 of our dead soldiers later, it finally ended and due in large part to the college kids, hippies and many others who took to the streets to stop it. The draft was on and no one, no one wanted to go fight a useless war. These are illegal wars. Our troops have every right to put down their arms and refuse to fight. They are doing what they are told. I think Obama is wrong, wrong, wrong for sending in more I don't care what McKristol told him to sell him on the idea. It's wrong.

            "If man could be crossed with the would improve man..but deteriorate the cat" ~ Mark Twain

            by lovescats on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 12:35:28 PM PST

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      •  Let's start with Dana "Hello Kitty" Perino.. (2+ / 0-)
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        whose was put into use once again claiming we were not attacked during the Bush years. Hello! 9/11 happened during the 1st year of the Bush years. Idiot.

        "If man could be crossed with the would improve man..but deteriorate the cat" ~ Mark Twain

        by lovescats on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 12:02:34 PM PST

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  •  Keeping us safe (5+ / 0-)

    The point is that GWB & his peeps & their enablers who claim our country was kept safe during their watch are absolutely 1000% wrong

    They sure haven't "kept us safe" from future attacks. As a matter of fact, they like to tell us everyday that if we don't give them MORE power and give up more of our freedoms, the terrorists will get us the minute we turn our backs. If they had really done their jobs we wouldn't be living under this constent threat.

    Bipartinship means "Yes we can! As long as the Republicans agree to let us."

    by William Domingo on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:38:16 AM PST

  •  they never wanted to catch Bin Laden. (5+ / 0-)

    He's a RICH SAUDI, from a VERY RICH SAUDI FAMILY.  OIL!  Ya kno whad I mean?

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:38:44 AM PST

    •  Sadly, Yes, I Do. n/t (4+ / 0-)
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      Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

      by CityLightsLover on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:41:35 AM PST

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      •  Brother in Law (4+ / 0-)

        of the Bin Laden family was in a board meeting with Poppy the day before, left early.

        By this I DO NOT postulate a conspiracy, just an illustration of the floating crap game hovering above us all.

        WWTD: What Would Teddy Do?

        by JG in MD on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:46:50 AM PST

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        •  Details re: 9/10 (3+ / 0-)
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          For the record, not drawing any conclusions.

          The [George HW] Bushes spent the previous night at the White House. They had flown to Washington the previous day to attend several meetings and a dinner. One of the meetings attended by the former president was the annual investor conference of the Carlyle Group, which was also attended by Shafig bin Laden, one of Osama bin Laden’s brothers (see (9:00 a.m.) September 11, 2001). They are later informed of the WTC attacks while on their jet. Due to all planes being grounded, they have to land in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. [CBS News, 11/1/2002; CNN, 10/25/2003; Newsweek, 10/27/2003]

          CBS, CNN, Newsweek

          WWTD: What Would Teddy Do?

          by JG in MD on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:59:19 AM PST

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          •  Daddy Bush spent the night before his meeting (3+ / 0-)
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            with the bin Laden at the White House. Was he bringing a message along with him, a message from the President of the U.S.
            You know, I am starting to really see a pattern here, the ignoring of the August memo, "Bin Laden determined to strike the U.S." The warnings from Richard Clark and Tenent, the replacing Richard Clarke in his positon. The allowing Bin Laden to escape in Tora Bora, the "friendship" and partnership between Daddy Bush and Shafig bin Laden. Wasn't Rummy also friendly with Osoma, didn't he supply him with arms during the Reagan years? Talk about connecting the freaking dots!

            •  uh oh, you're doing it again... (3+ / 0-)
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              wanting the truth to come out!  Shame on you!

              Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

              by quityurkidding on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 12:28:30 PM PST

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            •  yes there's a pattern (1+ / 0-)
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              I think it's been suspected for a while, didn't Michael Moore bring some of this up in Farenheit 911?

              -7.75, -6.05 Rise up and take the power back, it's time that The fat cats had a heart attack, you know that Their time is coming to an end-Matt Bellamy

              by nicolemm on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 08:42:36 PM PST

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              •  He did, but was ignored and villianized by (2+ / 0-)
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                the Bushies, and their followers. Could you imagine if it were Obama who had these suspicions running after him, how would Fox news treat this? It would be on the air day after day, and Hannity would also have weekly specials on all of this. Geraldo and Greta would be on location broadcasting from Saudi Arabia, they would not let it rest for a minute. I see no reason with this report coming out, why some of our friends in the MSM would let it rest. At the very least it should be shoved down the throats of the neocons that we could have captured or killed Bin Laden and didn't, and it was not because our military was not trying. The orders to "let him go" came from the top. It certianly could not hurt.

                •  I Finally Got Around to Reading (1+ / 0-)
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                  the actual report last night; military forces on the ground in Tora Bora were BEGGING for more troops because they KNEW OBL was there. They were turned down.

                  Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

                  by CityLightsLover on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 05:43:45 AM PST

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                  •  Exactly, (2+ / 0-)
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                    and Tommy Franks got the Presidential medal of honor, for what? Keeping his freaking mouth shut. After reading that report it is very clear to me the order not to comply with the troops request came from the top, above even Rumsfield. When the memo in August, "bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S." was ignored, and bin Laden allowed to escape, what are we to think? Why when there is all the talk about connecting the dots it is not extended to the executive branch. Why did Cheney have to go with Bush to testify before the 9-11 committee? So many unanswered questions, and no one is seeking answers. So many things are popping into my head. Immediatly following the attacks on 9-11, Cheney was asked about the lives lost on that day, his response was, many, many more American lives will be lost before this is over. Until we invaded Iraq, the American lives lost in Afghanistan were mimimual, it appears the military had the situation under control, and judging by the report, were working hand and hand with the CIA to target Bin Laden, it was almost a mission accomplished, until the higher ups turned them down. Why? The excuse Franks gave was because of the upcoming election. Karzi had to be installed as leader of Afghanistan. Why was that more important than capturing or killing Osoma bin Laden, and taking out most of Al Queda at the same time? Recent history has proven to us, Karzi was the wrong leader, he is as corrupt as they come, the Taliban has re-emerged, and bin Laden and Co are protected in the mountians of Pakistan. It was not simply a bad decision made under the fog of war, it was a calculated move to continue this conflict and enabled the Bush administration to use it as an excuse to invade Iraq. At the time 75% of Americans polled beleived Al Queda was in Iraq, and bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were best buddies set to destroy America.
                    Killing him would have removed their most important tool. Although we all knew what is contained in this report, having it published by a respected Senate committee confirms what we all knew for several years, I think every single American should question it and be up in arms about the findings. We should be asking the question, why, and looking for answers.

  •  CLL ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Does the report say to whom Bin Laden intended to leave his fortune?  That might be VERY interesting.  

    ... defragmenting the attic ...

    by AnnaMolly on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 09:44:10 AM PST

  •  Misrepresented. (2+ / 0-)
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    And, for mainly worse, they represented us and our nation to the entire world.


  •  Osama bin Laden is the Gift that Keeps on (3+ / 0-)
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    making Bush/Cheney's criminal friends at Halliburton, Kellogg-Brown-Root, Blackwater/Xe, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, GE, etc. obscenely rich.

    A lot of very naive young people who enlisted in he military to fight terrorism and capture or kill Osama bin Laden are being needlessly put in harm's way for shitty political reasons.  

    George W. "Deserter" Bush and Dick "5 Deferments" Cheney the chickenhawk are real patriotic Americans.  These rotten fucks are War Criminals, and it's obvious that they hated America and did everything in their power to bring it down so their New World Order could be established.  The hypocrites and morons who voted for Bush/Cheney should be shipped over to Afghanistan to "defend America's freedom" (to borrow Sarah Palin's favorite phrase).

  •  Guess Any Republican that Says Clinton Let OBL Go (3+ / 0-)
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    forgot about their rants of 'WAG THE DOG!, WAG THE DOG!, when Clinton fired missiles at OBL and the Republicans were trying to Impeach Clinton.


    "There ain't going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan." - David Obey

    by hopalong on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 10:52:45 AM PST

    •  I remember, my husband rented "Wag the Dog' (3+ / 0-)
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      and I was furious.

      Now though it's worse. The best thing Obama can do is have a affair (preferably a gay affair) with someone to give Fox and the gop something to focus on. The way it is now it's like there is absolutely nothing than Obama can do that isn't treated like its treason in some form or another. The vitriol of these people is astonishing to me.

      "All politics is national."

      by Auriandra on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 11:20:00 AM PST

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  •  Waiting to hear if my son will get called up (2+ / 0-)
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    He joined the national guard, for god knows what reason, even though he's a very liberal guy. I think it is maybe pay-back time (superstitious) 'cuz I helped my then-husband get conscientious objector status during Viet Nam.

    Makes no sense to me. When he joined, I started making those wool loop potholders like we all made in elem school, only with army colors; then I would interweave bright red loops into them in awkward blobs. I made maybe a hundred of them just to keep my sanity (though it may sound actually like I'd lost it). Eventually, i went on to other designs and I must say I mastered the art of making wool loop potholders. I even came up with an "Out of Many, One" design and gave 50 or 60 to the Obama volunteers here.

    Time passes slowly.

    "All politics is national."

    by Auriandra on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 10:57:44 AM PST

  •  On 9/12/01 Saudi Royal jet left Rochester MN (2+ / 0-)
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    with "someone." The plane was a 747. Remember this was when all air traffic was supposedly grounded. Back then Mayo treated a significant number of people from the middle east, especially we were told, the EAU. They didn't just come for medical care, but also because it is cooler here in the summer. Anyway, my husband was Mayo's CIO at the time and that's what his boss told him.

    "All politics is national."

    by Auriandra on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 11:10:04 AM PST

  •  US AirForce Disabled by 18 Box Cutters (2+ / 0-)
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    CityLightsLover, lovescats

    So why do we invest hundreds of billions in their fancy planes if they can't even get off the ground from their own private runways for an hour or more while the country is under attack. What time did our first response by the airforce happen? Where was the "enemy" there were 18 guys with boxcutters on planes (in cages) but they were able to disable our airforce from there?  Bush needed a boogie man so they let Bin Laden go. wasn't it more than once? this was the second time since Afghanistan had offered to give him to us before 9-11 and Bush wouldn't take him. No one could have seen it coming.?.?.Bojinka?

  •  The M-I-C needed Bil Laden alive... (4+ / 0-)

    To justify two simultaneous 6-8 yr wars.  Bin Laden is dead and there is no AQ reason to go into Iraq.  Remember the CIA was torturing folks to get them to say there was an AQ/Saddam Hussein link - that was going to be the first sell job that the Bush War Machine was going to sell America.

    The M-I-C had stockpiles of weapons - bombs that needed explodin', missiles that needed firin',  tanks and armored vehicles that needed to be used and wrecked, bullets and guns, jets and recon toys that needed field use.  

    And the military needed it's wars so that the soldiers could earn their promotions and the commanders could earn their stars.  

    When is the last time the Obama Administration has pleasantly surprised you - Made you think to yourself "Wow, I didn't think they had that in them"?

    by Jonze on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 11:31:22 AM PST

  •  Thank you CLL for allowing us to get.. (3+ / 0-)
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    some much needed things off our chest. As always, my thoughts and prayers are with the men and women currently serving our country, their families..and the men and women who will soon be deployed to harms way. Bless them and those they leave behind.

    "If man could be crossed with the would improve man..but deteriorate the cat" ~ Mark Twain

    by lovescats on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 12:45:29 PM PST

  •  Congrats on a Kick Butt (4+ / 0-)

    Diary, CLL.

    But you know, in a way, "We" need not be in quotations.  "We" DID let a monster run amock. We did it because we were responsible for having an idiot savant, advised by a minion of evil, supported by a cabal of cultists in the ultimate positions of power.  We did this to ourselves.  We did not study the history of the region, we did not question "authority", we did not protest our misgivings loudly enough.  

    We allowed our national paranoia to come to the fore, disguised as patriotism.  We forgot the old adage,

    When you are bent on revenge, dig two graves.

    Now, in this new age, WE will be held accountable for our tacit approval, if we did nothing but stand aside, wringing our hands and bleating out Cassandra-esque warnings.

    We will be held to account, if any of us actively supported an administration that was clearly telling half-truths at best.  An organization that defied and defiled the very document on which this nation was founded.  A regime so devoid of the  milk of human kindness that torture was considered Standard Operating Procedure.

    I believe we finally figured out what is the right thing to do.  We now have the right leader to suture together the tattered ethics of democracy,  To repair our reputation as a Civilized Nation.  To restore our national faith in government and each other.  

    That accountability exercise is going to hurt, as any operation that probes deeply would.  

    But the time for sitting back and pointing fingers is over.  We created this monster.  It's up to us to put it back in the cage.

    Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

    by luvsathoroughbred on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 04:03:40 PM PST

    •  You don't want to hear this but (1+ / 0-)
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      to me this brings into perspective that it does matter to continue to win elections and the progressive community needs to understand that the only way to do this is to appeal to moderate Dems and Independents "where they're at" and not try to convert them into progressives.

      I live in a district that's been Republican for years and now we have Dems as Senators and our Rep is Dem, but they are under intense scrutiny. Drawing lines in the sand over abortion and gay rights just makes people uncomfortable -- I think in fact the Republicans love it. Hysteria over these issues will crystallize divisions. The future is on our side; let it be...[pls don't flame me, bro'!]

      Draw the lines over the important life-and-death issues (like ending the nature of the US as a war mongering country), the true "values" issues (compassion, fairness, opportunity), and return of the government to the rule of law and of the real rights in the Constitution - which means having enough longevity as the leading party to move the Supreme Court in our favor.

      Longevity is the key but that means we cannot fracture the 2008 coalition. Like it or not, if we fracture into factions as the Republicans hopefully are doing, it will be the end of our party too.

      Suggestion - people want to learn; they have the internet now. Teach Them.

      "All politics is national."

      by Auriandra on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 03:24:07 AM PST

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