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  • The first Netroots Nation Holiday Bazaar kicked off this weekend, with a treasure trove of crafty creations. For more info, check out mcjoan's excellent rundown of items up for bid.

    All in all, there are 115 items, something for everyone on your holiday list, and the vast majority of them under $20. On top of that, it's for a fantastic cause. In three four (already?) short years, Netroots Nation has become the premiere annual gathering for progressives. Proceeds from this auction will go toward Netroots Nation '10, and to the series of regional salons that happen throughout the country during the year.

    Did I already mention the truffles? Tempting, huh? Well, you have to act now. The auction ends next Tuesday, Dec. 8, at 10:00 pm, eastern.

  • The Los Angeles Episcopalians elected an openly lesbian bishop yesterday.

    The Rev. Mary Douglas Glasspool, 55, will become the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church since Gene Robinson took office in New Hampshire in 2004, if she is formally approved.

  • The New York Times has a guide to the climate change talks in Copenhagen.
  • Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner called for tightening loopholes in U.S. legislation to regulate the $605 trillion over-the-counter derivatives market.
  • Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the US hasn't had any good intelligence on OBL's whereabouts in years, but National Security advisor James Jones seems to think otherwise.
  • The DARPA challenge is underway. The Pentagon is using the $40,000 prize to study "how online groups share resources." (Update: A team from MIT already won! h/t John3.)

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 11:59 AM PST.

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  •  The Episcopalians (7+ / 0-)

    seem to be onto something good, here.

    Let's hope Rev. Mary Douglas Glasspool gets approved.

    "When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race." ~H.G. Wells

    by ridemybike on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:01:52 PM PST

    •  Indeed. John Bruno is a wonderful man and (0+ / 0-)

      Bish and very supportive of those within the LA Diocese lgbt.

      I am really proud of this choice and I sure hope she is confirmed.  It probably won't come without a whopping fight from the conservative faction, but, hey...

      866-338-1015 toll-free to Congress in D.C. USE it!

      by cany on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:49:44 PM PST

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  •  omg - Durbin just told the most horrific story (7+ / 0-)

    about a woman in IL who was put under general anesthesia to remove a mole on her face. The oxygen exploded and blew off her face. This in response to Republicans obsessing over their precious tort reform.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:03:08 PM PST

  •  the Darpa challenge is not unlike how (4+ / 0-)
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    flu sites share their data, and that's likely not a coincidence.

    some groups are developing software applications. Dr. Lee said he also expected large teams of spotters and even the possibility that some groups might use subterfuge like disseminating false information. Other groups may try to pay for information, he said, noting that even during a brief experiment the agency ran with a balloon near its headquarters, information on the location was offered for sale on Craigslist [The New York Times].

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:03:19 PM PST

  •  Woah, Just Flipped Past an Evolution Lecture (1+ / 0-)
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    showing how insane the scientists are with all their ludicrous claims.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:04:00 PM PST

  •  Clinton hasn't looked into Knox case in Italy (4+ / 0-)
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    WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says she hasn't yet looked into the case of the American college student in Italy who was found guilty of murdering her British roommate.


    Sen. Maria Cantwell, a Democrat from Washington state, has said she plans to bring her own concerns - including whether "anti-Americanism" tainted the trial - to Clinton.

    Clinton says she's been tied up with Afghanistan policy and hasn't examined the case. Clinton says she'll meet with anyone who has concerns about the case. She also says she hasn't expressed any concerns to the Italian government.

    "The devil made me buy this dress!" Geraldine Jones/ Flip Wilson

    by BlueJessamine on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:08:27 PM PST

    •  If there was anyway this case was tainted, then (2+ / 0-)
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      we need our diplomats and others getting right on it.

    •  who is Amanda Knox and why should I care? (4+ / 0-)

      I mean, I've generally figured out that she was an American in Italy who went through a trial...but who is she, and why should I care?

      •  Partly because she is a pretty, white girl (1+ / 0-)
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        who is caught up in a tragedy. This story has legs because of the sex, drugs, and death aspects of the crime. She may very well be the victim of media inspired hype. From what I've seen that is definitely at play here. but there are many Americans that have been tried and held over seas under dubious circumstances. They get some media coverage for a time and their stories fade away. Did we get lots of post about the story of Naji Hamdan while he was wrongfully imprisoned by the UAE for more than a year? No. There was a diary with a whopping 10 comments almost exacly a year ago. It even got rescued and still garned little concern.

        I stand by the truth, that way I don't have to be near any Republicans.

        by ontheleftcoast on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:32:28 PM PST

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      •  a person, a human being. And parents of college (4+ / 0-)

        students who have ever sent their kids off to study abroad can really relate to the heartbreak of her parents and the tragic circumstances.
         None of us know the truth, but the case is very sad and confounding.  And from legal discussions I've heard in the last few days, the evidence was really weak for conviction.

    •   "anti-Americanism" (may have) tainted the trial (2+ / 0-)
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      What is not available on the intertubes is all of that official court evidence and the witness accounts which does run counter to all the positive character spin. Her co-defendent implicated her and she didn't rat him out especially with the possibility of unindicted suspects so both got similar sentences.

      I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person - Pogo

      Polk Gulch

      by annieli on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:28:48 PM PST

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    •  Amanda Knox is spoiled brat IMO (1+ / 0-)
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      People are defending her like she was a saint. She accused an innocent black man for this crime at the start. He was lucky enough to have a strong alibi.

      Amanda Knox is smart enough to know that Italians are pretty much racists so accusing a black man was the easy way to walk free.

      Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

      by LaurenMonica on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:53:05 PM PST

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      •  She didn't accuse a black man... (1+ / 0-)
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        the police in Italy asked about a text message from her boss (who is black) that said "See you later" and asked her if he was involved.  For hours.  In a foreign language without a lawyer present. With no record of the details of the interrogation of 54 hours in a 4 day period.  With the prosecutor present.   This was after they had already picked up the man, BTW.

        Do not believe everything you read in the MSM because the nuances are not always there.  What you said was widely reported in the MSM as you state it, but it was incomplete.

        The evidence in the case is disputable and the prosecutor in the case, who was present at her interrogation, is under indictment for falsifying evidence and obstruction in another case.

        Things may not be as clear cut as you seem to infer.

        And calling someone a racist without any evidence to back it up is foolish.

        "Vancouver B.C. - the home of the 2010 Winter Olympics, single payer health care, and single payer car insurance"

        by marigold on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:58:42 PM PST

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        •  amanda knox (1+ / 0-)
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          i've been following the BRITISH press about this for a couple of years, since they are the ones who covered it, and things look very different through that filter. (The murdered girl was British.)
          I think it is interesting to see a sudden spike in interest in Italian justice, which has never been on the radar before.

          I would be very interested to learn of any credible alternative explanation of the murder, and why none has been put forward over the time that this case has taken to come to a conclusion.

          I think it would be interesting to learn why there is so much apparently reflexive sympathy here for Amanda Knox and no words for Meredith Kercher, the murder victim.

          •  There is a complete explaination already (0+ / 0-)

            All the credible substantive evidence leads to Rudy Guede and no one else. A burglary, robbery, violent attempted rape and murder.

            the Italian prosecutor and investigator did not wait for all of this evidence to be established and instead dreamed up a 3 person sex game theory based on
            a hair sample that implicated an African person (clenched in Meredith's hand)
            That plus an instant suspicion of Raffaele and Amanda who were judged by the investigator and the investigating prosecutor to not be acting they way they should based on personal opinions. The whole case was spun to start with from some hair and creative fantasy based on discredited behavioral analysis Interiew (BAI).

            Giobbi is reported to have said that Knox's guilt became clear " using specific interrogation techniques", the technique in question is not identified. Whatever it was, he is clearly confident in it. "We didn't need to rely on other kinds of investigation" he is quoted on YouTube as saying " this method enabled us to get to the guilty parties in a very quick time."


            As with most homegrown methods of guilt and lie detection, while those who practice it swear by it, there is little objective evidence that it works. Promoters of BAI refer to a 'study' that suggests it is effective, but the research is years old, unrepeated and invites the suspicion that it is self-serving. But the doubts that exist about the scientific credentials of the technique do not stop it being marketed heavily around the world, nor others like it..... examples of so called 'deceptive behaviour' from averted eye gaze to mouth covering.

            that led to the police tapping their phones and following them (eavesdropping even) and to interviews on the 2nd 3rd and 4th... and the eventual final all night extended interrogation fro the 5th to the 6th that yielded a coerced different set of statements that included the police suggestions that Amanda's African born boss from her part time job was the killer... all after finding a harmless text from him saying she did not have to go to work that night... she texted  back see you later, good evening. He was African, they induced Amanda to say maybe he was at the house and hey presto she and Raffaele (who also was coerced into agreeing that maybe he could not be sure what happened) are arrested along with Amanda's boss Patrick Lumbubma. And why did she do this?
            Keep in mind she had no sleep food or water or bathroom breaks for 14 hours, yelled at, threatened, lied to, smacked on the back of the head... there was no recording of the "interview" as required by law and they said she was lying and hiding things that they had proof she was at the house at the time of the murder etc. which was a lie. They said she would be sent to prison for 30 years never see her family for not cooperating and that having a lawyer would make things worse. She not surprisingly gave them a fantasy based on what they prompted her with.... She rejected what she had said later that day but that did not matter since it now meant the prosecution could pretend she was changing her story and could not be believed...
            By the way the botched investigations even omitted even the elementary taking of the victim's temperature which is crucial to determine time of death. And that is just one of many bumbles oversights, mistakes omissions and evidence suppression and possibly even evidence planting that plague this case.

            Regardless of the incompleteness of the physical investigation and lack of hard evidence the police said case closed and then tried to make sure that they had the right forensic evidence to just tidy up the loose ends....

            Then it all went wrong... they kept finding evidence of someone else and none of the people they had arrested and bragged about. Two weeks after the murder they finally tracked down Rudy Guede in Germany who matched the mystery person who was clearly in the room with Meredith during a violent struggle. They released Patrick only because he had a strong alibi and they now had an alternate African to fit the scenario who there was actual evidence for. But even though they still had only uncertain vague physical evidence at best for Amanda and Raffaele it appears the the prosecutor and others were so wedded to their threesome orgy gone wrong that they have been issuing press releases about that they cannot back down. They are convinced that they just need to hold the suspects long enough while they somehow find the evidence they are sure HAS to be there.

            In the meantime the personal lives of the 2 are pawed through and even the most innocuous detail is stretched and distorted luridly interpreted and leaked to the media along with misleading bits from the investigation till they seem like they just have to be the worst immoral monsters imaginable. Just added insurance to ensure eventual conviction of 2 people they know in their gut are guilty... even though they still don't have enough proof.... But they don't admit any problems.

            But privately they had to be worried, there was just the flimsiest evidence that only very compliant friendly "experts" were likely to interpret in a way to help the prosecution... And all of these are no proof of anything or are ultimately linked once again to Rudy. That's when the 2 deeply flawed trace DNA results come in. both the knife and the bra clasp samples were much smaller than normal accepted routine DNA testing can reliably use. The lab in question had no results from these tests but under pressure to find something they tried using their equipment to do a Low Count Number test on the samples which is an experimental test that is not accepted for evidence in most places. And that does not matter since most place do not meet the minimum requirements for a lab that could reliably perform these tests. The Lat in question was not certified and the people in it had never done this test. they kept pushing the equipment till they had something that they thought showed evidence for Amanda's and Merdith's DNa on the knife and Raffaele and 3 unknown people on the same speck on the bra clasp. Those are the only 2 pieces of evidence allegedly placing the 2 in the room. where the articles were found, how and or why they were collected, the means used to test them are all highly questionable.





            Beyond that there is endless speculation, 5 different prosecution theories, non-stop character assassination... sudden discovery of miracle witnesses for the prosecution who are easily shown to be untrustworthy.

            There is no alternate explanation needed. All the solid evidence is there to show Rudy killed Meredith ALONE and the others had nothing to do with it. The rest is all flim flam from a prosecutor who can't be wrong and who is under investigation for serious prosecutorial misconduct.

            Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

            by IreGyre on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 01:33:21 PM PST

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        •  She accused him. She told the police that he (0+ / 0-)

          was maybe the one who came into their appartment and killed Meredith

          Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

          by LaurenMonica on Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 04:32:45 AM PST

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  •  Get your groove on (5+ / 0-)

    Picture a bright blue ball just spinnin' spinnin' free. It's dizzy with possibility.

    by lockewasright on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:08:33 PM PST

  •  MIT team already won the DARPA challenge (4+ / 0-)
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    I found out about it after it was already over.  Would have been cool to have a dKos team.

    "We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers." Carl Sagan

    by John3 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:10:03 PM PST

  •  Wow (7+ / 0-)

    $605 trillion over-the-counter derivatives market.

    Even these days, when all sorts of large dollar amounts get thrown around, this one is really quite big.

  •  Lawyer: Break-in no 'Blago-Gate' (2+ / 0-)
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    CHICAGO (WBBM)  -- Although Chicago Police continue to investigate an early-morning break-in Friday at the law offices of Sam Adam Jr., one of the lawyers representing ousted Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich, Adam and other members of the Blagojevich defense team says the thieves took none of the files, tapes, DVDs or other materials relating to the case.

    Asked if the 3 a.m. break-in is a "Blago-Gate," Adam laughed and said, "No, it is not. It happens to be a situation in which we were burglarized. The entire building was."

    The thieves tripped an alarm at 2:56 a.m., and police arrived within minutes at the law offices, at 6133 S. Ellis Av.

    Fellow defense attorney Aaron Goldstein said the thieves escaped with 10 computers and a safe. But Goldstein told WBBM Newsradio 780 that the safe was empty. Both he and Adam said that the computers held nothing "sensitive" about the case.

    "The devil made me buy this dress!" Geraldine Jones/ Flip Wilson

    by BlueJessamine on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:13:23 PM PST

  •  Anyone else feeling some economic thawing? (4+ / 0-)
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    jj32, panicbean, dotster, ontheleftcoast

    I'm hearing some positive anecdotal evidence about hiring in addition to the actual data...

    I think the raw anger of the past few weeks may mark a bottom in sentiment. Things won't be great but they will lift.

    •  The Nov. jobs report seemed to (2+ / 0-)
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      be encouraging. 11k jobs lost, isnt great, but very close to job growth, and much better than expected. Additionally, the previous two months' losses were revised downward. From what I've read, we may see jobs growth this month, and November's numbers may be revised upward to show a gain as well(because apparently, the seasonal adjustment may have been too negative).

    •  We had a patient tell us last (10+ / 0-)

      Thursday that the furniture store he had managed for 10 years, then had let him go, had called him back in and offered him his job back.

      They have a new focus, and it is going to be on their customers and not on sales alone.  They asked him if he agreed with their new philosophy and he told them that that had always been his philosophy and that is why he and the store had done so well for 10 years!  It was only when the numbers became more important than the customers that they decided they didn't need him anymore, and 2 years later, they had found that that wasn't working for them.  Booyah!  

      We were so happy for him.  I think more and more businesses are realizing that the focus has got to be on the customer and not just a sale.

      That is my happy story for the day.  :)



      If you can't fix it with a hammer, then you've got an electrical problem.

      by panicbean on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:22:44 PM PST

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      •  I've noticed a huge re-emphasis on (2+ / 0-)
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        customer service in a lot of retail outlets; CVS Pharmacy actually called me today to say that a couple of my prescriptions were due for refill and to ask if they should go ahead and fill them (as it is, the spouse had already called in the refills this morning, and they just hadn't pulled them from the machine yet). And I get plenty of good service at the local yarn shops I frequent, but then again they understand the need to keep their customers happy, as much of their business comes from word of mouth advertising and word travels fast in the online crafting communities.

        Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

        by Cali Scribe on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:29:45 PM PST

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        •  It is interesting. They have a fellow at the (0+ / 0-)

          market who, among other things, appears to be employed to ask perplexed looking people (like me!) if I need help finding anything...

          Happened a half dozen times.

          I really must change my facial expressions!

          866-338-1015 toll-free to Congress in D.C. USE it!

          by cany on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:57:51 PM PST

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    •  Anecdotal, but I notice in my local paper today (3+ / 0-)
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      the full time job ads take up a whole page of the classifieds again.  That's up from a measly 1/2 to 1 column recently.  And when I was out doing xmas stuff on Friday, I noticed there were help wanted signs in 3 local store windows and at a couple nearby restaurants.  That's new too.

    •  No. Things are still terrible out here in CA. (3+ / 0-)
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      This whole will-we-keep-our-jobs-or-won't-we thing is really getting old.

  •  Just a lazy day here, nothing much happening. (3+ / 0-)
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    Doing some online Christmas shopping, having way too much fun bidding on the netroots stuff, too.  Getting seriously outbid on some of my items, but that is always a good thing.  :)

    I hope everyone else is enjoying their day!


    If you can't fix it with a hammer, then you've got an electrical problem.

    by panicbean on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:16:40 PM PST

    •  Got a bit of tummy trouble (2+ / 0-)
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      but a glass of milk seems to have settled things -- trying to get moving so we can get laundry done and get in some groceries before the big storms hit this week. Actually looking forward to the wet weather, as it will give me a good reason to stay inside and catch up on my crochet; have to finish a scarf for my dad-in-law, then I've got a couple of projects for me I want to tackle. :)

      Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:25:22 PM PST

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      •  I hope you get feeling better, Cali! (1+ / 0-)
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        I used to crochet years ago but am too fidgety to do anything good with it.  :(

        I am baking goodies and making homemade eggnog for my co-workers this year, though, instead of buying stuff.

        The family is having a blowout Christmas this year since we cancelled it last year.  My Mom had just died and then I had shoulder surgery on December 18th and I was in no mood for any holiday celebrations.

        Mini panicbean is bringing her new beau home with her from NYC for Christmas and I am so excited!  His Mom died in the towers on 9/11 and his Dad died in a car crash a couple of years later so he doesn't have parents and we are hoping to fill in the gap for him.

        I hope it goes well and he enjoys his time with us!  I am nervous and excited at the same time.  lol

        If you can't fix it with a hammer, then you've got an electrical problem.

        by panicbean on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:32:41 PM PST

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        •  Do much of my crochet (2+ / 0-)
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          when watching TV, so I feel like the time's not a total waste. ;) Also in the summer, take smaller projects on the spouse's bus to work on, as his bus is usually air conditioned unlike our apartment.

          Christmas is pretty low-key this year; made scarves for the parents-in-law, and likely going in with them to get spouse's brother the Beatles box set; I also got a pair of earrings for my mom-in-law and a new meat thermometer for dad-in-law. (My family gave up the big gift exchange after my mom passed, so we just get together the weekend before Christmas for an eating and drinking fest.)

          Enjoy the new beau; in our family it's usually a sign of something serious when one of the younger generation subjects their current flame to our motley crew.

          Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

          by Cali Scribe on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:39:27 PM PST

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          •  Well we did wonder if he would pop the (1+ / 0-)
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            question, but she called last night to let us know that he had given her her gift early.  He gave her a pair of chinchillas!  She named them Harley and Mr. J.

            They are coming home for Christmas, too!  lol

            Good for you, making your gifts. I love gifts that are homemade.  I hope you and yours enjoy your holiday, too, Cali.

            Be well!


            If you can't fix it with a hammer, then you've got an electrical problem.

            by panicbean on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:48:00 PM PST

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  •  Snarkalicious! Local columnist outdoes himself: (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Copenhagen flotsam & jetsam: (1+ / 0-)
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    Pope calls for leaders to care for God's creation.

    Current pledges on table will cause increase in temp of 3.5 degrees C -- potential catastrophe.

    UN negotiator asks US and China to put more on table.

    (Links to all of the above will be in a diary I'll publish this afternoon.)

    56 newspapers around the world will publish an editorial on the front page asking for big news out of Copenhagen.  One is in the US -- Miami Herald.

    Anthony Duvall, user id 228xxx, is most likely a troll.

  •  Palin attempts humor (4+ / 0-)
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    If the election had turned out differently, I could be the one overseeing the signing of bailout checks and Vice President Biden could be on the road selling his book, Going Rogaine.

    First off Vice President Biden has a nice head of hair. And secondly, the VP doesn't oversee signing of bills. Palin has never quite understood the duties of the VP, and I guess she still doesn't.

  •  I may have just missed it, but (0+ / 0-)

    I haven't seen any stories or diaries about Blago's attorney's office being broken into and all the files and computers stolen and such.

    It don't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows --Little Bobby Zimmerman

    by ambeeeant on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:22:16 PM PST

  •  It's presently almost 3:30PM (1+ / 0-)
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    Have you thought about what you are going to do to compromise the public option today?

  •  $605 trillion over-the-counter derivatives market (4+ / 0-)

    and DC quibble over 1 Trillion for healthcare.

    Afghanistan:Graveyard to empires-It's not just a bumpersticker

    by JML9999 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:27:00 PM PST

  •  Any update on President Obama's... (3+ / 0-)
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    meeting with the Dem. Caucus last hour?

    "There is no red America, or blue America, there is the United States of America." 2004 DNC Speech

    by BarackStarObama on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:29:05 PM PST

  •  c'mon Miami; you can do it against the Pats!! (0+ / 0-)
  •  i saw him at trader vic's drinking a pina colada (6+ / 0-)

    WASHINGTON — National security adviser James Jones said Sunday that al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden still spends some time inside Afghanistan.

    apologies warren, i miss you!

    "Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit." Edward Abbey

    by timbuck on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:32:00 PM PST

  •  It would really please me if Bin Laden (6+ / 0-)

    could be captured or killed.  First, because he has yet to be brought to justice for his horrific crimes, and secondly because it would bring a real boost to Obama's approval rating, I think, after so many years of George W. Bush's fool-proof plan to eliminate Bin Laden by making sure he died of old age.

    Hey insurance companies! Recision & denial for pre-existing conditions? We're only gonna let you do that for FOUR MORE YEARS! You've been warned!

    by jazzmaniac on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:32:48 PM PST

  •  Despite some negative comments on the rec list (3+ / 0-)
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    panicbean, dotster, BarackStarObama

    diary about it--the NYT story on Obama's Afghan decision was a good piece

    Well worth a close read.

  •  Gays, Blacks, Latinos, Asians, and Natives (1+ / 0-)
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    make Palin uncomfortable.

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 12:55:28 PM PST

  •  Tax derivative trades, don't just regulate them! (3+ / 0-)

    OK, so I feel better about Geithner, but regulating derivatives etc. isn't enough. We need a sales tax on every securities (and commodities too IMHO) transaction, maybe 1%, to reign in speculation and raise cash for our debt-strapped economy and budgets.

  •  Here's an idea: Let's dump our private insurers!! (3+ / 0-)
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    panicbean, LokiMom, DRo

    Why not turn the tables on America's health insurance companies?

    Why not dump your private health insurance?

    A radical proposal? Yes! But imagine if a hundred million Americans pocketed their thousands of dollars in health insurance premiums and stop giving them to these evil corporations. Besides, if you get sick and cost them, anything, these insurance companies will drop you like a hot potato. Look at what Aetna's doing this week!

    Dropping private insurance would mean huge boost in personal income for millions of Americans, death to the insurance industry, and a huge kick in the pants to Congress while it dithers over it own approach. Let's see how much money their lobbyists have to spend on cretins like Lieberman when we pull the plug on them!

    This is crazy enough to work! Go to Facebook and search for the public group "Save America! Dump Your Private Insurance" and let's discuss this proposal. Why wait for Congress or the insurance industry decide the rules for this debate?

    Let's do it ourselves the only way we can!

  •  Gates Calls July 2011 the Beginning, Not End (0+ / 0-)

    Gates Calls July 2011 the Beginning, Not End, of Afghan Withdrawal

    WASHINGTON — Perhaps only a "handful" of American troops will be leaving Afghanistan in July 2011, the date President Obama has set to begin a gradual withdrawal, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said in an interview broadcast Sunday.

    "We will have 100,000 forces, troops there," Mr. Gates said on ABC’s "This Week," "and they are not leaving in July of 2011. Some, handful, or some small number, or whatever the conditions permit, will begin to withdraw at that time."

    "I don’t consider this an exit strategy," he continued, "This is a transition." He said it would begin in less-contested parts of Afghanistan before expanding to the most obdurate Taliban strongholds, largely in the south and east.

    "The devil made me buy this dress!" Geraldine Jones/ Flip Wilson

    by BlueJessamine on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:08:26 PM PST

  •  Copenhagen Talks Tough on Climate Protest Plans (0+ / 0-)

    COPENHAGEN — At an abandoned beer warehouse in this city’s Valby district, law enforcement officials have constructed an elaborate holding facility with three dozen steel cages to accommodate over 350 potential troublemakers during a United Nations climate conference that gets under way here on Monday.

    Critics call the holding pens — and a range of other security preparations made as thousands of government officials, heads of state, environmental groups and assorted anarchists descend on the Danish capital — over the top. The police say the detractors’ reactions are overheated, if predictable.

    "This is surely the biggest police action we have ever had in Danish history," said Per Larsen, the chief coordinating officer for the Copenhagen police force. "But I think the complaints are the kind we are very used to hearing in this country."

    Officials have made it clear that they aim to keep the peace during the 12-day conference, organized under United Nations’ auspices. From new laws rushed through Parliament allowing stiffer fines and extended detentions for those deemed unruly, to public displays of newly acquired anti-riot and emergency equipment, leaders here say they are preparing for the worst while hoping for the best. Meanwhile, a variety of protest and advocacy groups — some with obscure political lineage — have signaled in online postings and other public statements that they will not be cooperating.

    "The devil made me buy this dress!" Geraldine Jones/ Flip Wilson

    by BlueJessamine on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:14:07 PM PST

  •  605 trillion derivatives market? (0+ / 0-)

    Isn't global GDP about 60 trillion? Well, I'm glad Geithner understands that a market that's 10x global GDP should have tightened regulation...

    Someone needs to write this book: The Great Conservative Temper Tantrum of 2009

    by grinning dog on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:16:15 PM PST

  •  I Got Two Words for Ya, Mr. Jones (0+ / 0-)

    "Prove it!"

    "Give me but one firm spot to stand, and I will move the earth." -- Archimedes

    by Limelite on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:22:08 PM PST

  •  If the Episcopalian Church is trying to convert (1+ / 0-)
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    this GLBT atheist they're doing an excellent job of late.

    Lesbian Bishop? Check!
    Performing gay marriages in MA? Check!
    Condemning Uganda's "Kill all the Gays!" law? Check!

    I could entertain the ideas of the Jesus if I didn't have to learn about him from small minded hypocrites.

    •  Meh. (0+ / 0-)

      Liberal Episcopalians are indeed nice folks, but don't put your money (or credulity) on the table without inspecting the entire product--including stuff like this:

      But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

      - Jesus, in Luke 19:27

      I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

      - Jesus, in John 15:6

      But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

      - Jesus, in Matthew 8:10-12

      The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

      - Jesus, in Matthew 13:41-42

      Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. ... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment.

      - Jesus, in Matthew 25:41, 46

      And that servant [slave], which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

      - Jesus, in Luke 12:47

      And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as [Jesus] sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.

      And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made? For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.

      And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me. For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.

      - Mark 14:3-7 (italics added)

      Liberal Christians are, in the main, good people who have commendable ideas about a whole lot of things--but it's not so clear that the nice, tolerant Jesus they worship is the one described in the Bible.

      Now here is a curious thing. It is believed by everybody that while [God] was in heaven he was stern, hard, resentful, jealous, and cruel; but that when he came down to earth and assumed the name Jesus Christ, he became the opposite of what he was before: that is to say, he became sweet, and gentle, merciful, forgiving, and all harshness disappeared from his nature and a deep and yearning love for his poor human children took its place. Whereas it was as Jesus Christ that he devised hell and proclaimed it!

      Which is to say, that as the meek and gentle Savior he was a thousand billion times crueler than ever he was in the Old Testament -- oh, incomparably more atrocious than ever he was when he was at the very worst in those old days!

      Meek and gentle? By and by we will examine this popular sarcasm by the light of the hell which he invented.

      - Mark Twain

  •  Thoughts/Opinions? (0+ / 0-)

    Hey guys, I'm pretty new to DKos just started avidly reading about a week ago, but I've been off and on here and there for about a year now.

    Anyway, I'm starting to form some strong opinions on general political theory and I'm beginning to lean toward socialist ideology, which is pretty "radical" in context of my school (a local high school), neighborhood, and family. I've been reading up on a lot of Chomsky's political theory, namely Libertarian Socialism, and I was inspired to write a thesis in regards to transitioning to such a society.

    Granted, I have little info to back this up (which is why its not a diary or a full blown essay), but I think the ideas behind it can be justified, if only in general terms.

    Enough babble, here it is:

       The United States Constitution is cited to be the longest standing law of any modern democracy still in function. At nearly 225 years in practice, it has been vigorously upheld and defended by the government and the public. The Constitution has an amendment process built in, but the core values, systematic forms of government, and hierarchical structures it bestows cannot be significantly altered by any practical means of due process. This is due largely to modern politicians as well as the public who hold the "Founding Fathers" of said document in a special, almost divine light, and those who question these men are ultimately dismissed as radicals, dissidents, and anti-American. This ultimately leads to a de-facto pro-Constitution mentality. This behavioral condition restricts any movements from the current form of government to other, possibly more ideal, modes. Although the Constitution is a perfectly valid and well functioning document, it is still an ultimate cap on the progression of the nation as a whole, and is restrictive of natural human impulses for less regimented, freer forms of living.

    Thank you for any advice!

    "Glenn Beck, at the heart of it all, is just a carnival salesman, and his product is his own hot air."-Jed Lewison

    by bfrank72 on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:25:45 PM PST

    •  Advice? I don't feel qualified to give you advice (0+ / 0-)

      I suspect you may more about what you're talking about than I do. Despite my 20-something head start.

      Very interesting topic. I don't suppose much of us give much thought to the restrictions that are inherent to the Constitution. Most of us are so focused on how far we have always, and still fall, from fulfilling the core principles it espouses. Like "liberty and justice for all."

      Keep doing what you're doing, you appear to be on an excellent path.

  •  funny amazon reviews for the book shown in police (1+ / 0-)
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    photos in Tiger Woods' escalade.

    Get a Grip on Physics

  •   People would walk if secret treaty seen (0+ / 0-)

    More news on ACTA (the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement):

    James Love explains on his blog what happened when he was on the same jet flight from
    Geneva to New York as US Trade Representative Ron Kirk.

    Kirk said he was aware that there were those who wanted the text public, but the issue of transparency was "about as complicated as it can get," and Kirk didn't want people "walking away from the table," which would likely happen if the text was public, he said.

    I said that it was untrue that IPR negotiations are normally secret, mentioning as examples that drafts of the other IPR texts, including the proposed WIPO treaty for disabilities and the climate change agreement language on IPR, as well as several drafts of the FTAA text and the 1996 WIPO copyright treaties had been public. Kirk said that ACTA "was different" and the topics being negotiated in ACTA were "more complex."

    I brought up to Kirk that the USTR had shown ACTA text to dozens of corporate lobbyists and all of its trading partners in the ACTA negotiation, and the text was only secret from the public. Kirk did say USTR was discussing this issue with the White House and its trading partners, but that was about all he could say at that moment.

  •  Is REID a f*ckng moron? (0+ / 0-)

    saying that he will not do reconciliation is biting him in the ass...

    Nelson said Stupak has to remain or else, and every Senator on the fence is saying my way or the highway...

    This won't happen without reconciliation. Period.

    It is my hope that Reid just SAID he won't do it, but really will.  

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:29:34 PM PST

  •  Taxes as theft by men with guns: (3+ / 0-)

    I heard/read that meme twice today.  

    "If healthcare is a right, then you are saying that your right to healthcare includes men with guns going to your neighbor's house to force him to pay for it. 'Cause that is what taxes are."

    "Taxes are not the cost of living in a civilized society; only socialists who want to suck the teat of the government think that."

    "Government should only provide military defense, police protection, prisons, and fire departments.  If you need a ride to the store, you should pay for it yourself.  There is no need for parks or food stamps or anything like that."

    Very depressing.  Once in a featured editorial in the newspaper, the other on the radio--a PBS station!

    To say that my fate is not tied to your fate is like saying, "Your end of the boat is sinking."--Hugh Downs

    by Dar Nirron on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:38:58 PM PST

    •  Expect to see/hear more of that meme as (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Dar Nirron, delver

      it becomes inevitable we're going to have to pay for jobs programs or any sort of change. The "mean old gubbermint will steal from Peter to pay for Pablo" meme will get louder and more vicious.

      I stand by the truth, that way I don't have to be near any Republicans.

      by ontheleftcoast on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 01:56:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  If taxation is theft, then so is rent! (3+ / 0-)
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        Dar Nirron, leftneck, ontheleftcoast

        The whole libertarian concept is bunk. Property rights claims are just as "artificial" and forced on the original, natural commons as are claims of government sovereignty. Any government that has to right to tell me who owns what has the right to regulate how it is used, charge for services, and with my interests taken into account. If it doesn't have the right to do the latter, it has no right to do the latter.

        •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Dar Nirron

          I love the way they now claim the fire and police departments are part of the essential services of government. I guess they learned from the backlash of this summer that they can't claim all government services are bogus. But the whole concept of "I've got mine, go get yours" is a farce. They benefit from the public goods and services all the time, they just don't want to admit it. Liars and thieves, the whole lot of them.

          I stand by the truth, that way I don't have to be near any Republicans.

          by ontheleftcoast on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 02:06:14 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  My response (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Dar Nirron, ontheleftcoast

      to libertarian morons who say things like that is: why stop there?

      I don't want my taxes to go to the military, the police, prisons, or fire service.

      I tell them that I don't see why I should shoulder the costs of the military-industrial complex, police thugs, or the insane American prison system.

      If someone else wants these things, fine.

      Usually, these Libertarian babies look at me with horror and go off to peddle their infantile ideas to other more gullible people.

      Libertarian ideas like this are a sign of extreme political underdevelopment, of a basic misunderstanding about how the world works.

      Here's their only intellectual underpinning: Taxes? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

  •  The archbishop is pissed off (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    stanley yelnats

    because the Episcopalians have dared nominate a second gay bishop???

    This guy is a real wimp!

  •  Saints are 12n0! 12 and Eaux! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    missLotus, annieli

    You would not believe the effect this team is having on this city.  

    Had to post this somewhere!

  •  Hey, could you guys help me with some information (0+ / 0-)

    When Republicans complain about not being listened to on health care, they have a pretty standard list, including malpractice reform, certain tax breaks, and "allowing people to buy health insurance across state lines."  I've heard, obliquely, that this is code for "overriding state regulations of health insurance."  As a former and soon to be returning resident of a state with a pretty good regulation scheme (MN), I'd like to send a letter to the editor of my hometown paper breaking all this down; could anyone point me to a link or diary with background on this?

    "While there is a lower class, I am in it; while there is a criminal element, I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free!" -Eugene V. Debs

    by leftneck on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 02:26:52 PM PST

  •  Boy that Geithner sure has a way as (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    stanley yelnats

    coming across as monumentally ineffective and unimpressive.

    I guess he can get the horse back in the barn, but he earns no confidence from me based on his insular history.

    A long time ago, men gave away their power. To other men: princes, kings, wizards, generals and high priests. -Carlin

    by gereiztkind on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 03:08:40 PM PST

  •  Against War in Afghanistan (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    stanley yelnats
    I grew up watching the Viet Nam War on TV. The clink of utensils against dinner plates mixed with the rat-a-tat-tat of sniper fire and whir of helicopter blades. Beyond my pork chops or hamburger were scenes o the TV of bloody soldiers being medivaced dead and dying. Because of this, I lost my appetite for war and will march in the streets against Obama and his war in Afghanistan.
  •  UN says climate finale may have happy ending (0+ / 0-)

    OKAY, I'm demented and bloody knuckles but that's funny.

    I'm not fighting for the "Middle-Class," I prefer the mutts.

    Like that bloody fingered "illegal" wench who can't feed or clothe herself or get an education jacking off some damn old fool with his Viagra goin' on.

    Did I mention my Anger Management course?

    I did get an "A" in Anger Management 101. But I cheated.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 04:55:33 PM PST

  •  I still think there should be an Obama primary (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    keikekaze, The Donut

    challenge in 2012, unless he becomes much more progressive, as I've said in my diary here.

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