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THE CONSTITUTION

I believe we are all familiar with this document are we not ? Well, in it contains the power and authority of the President of the United States of America. This is some SERIOUS power. Let's revisit that section of the Constitution and behold all this great power given to Barack Obama, the most powerful man on the planet baby.

Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Clause 3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

That's it ?

It sure looks like the PRESIDENT can't do a whole lot without the Congress...outside of being over the Military. I mean, the way this thing was written , you'd think the drafters of the Constitution were scared of one person having too much power. They act like they just escaped from some kind of crazy azz empire that had a really sick minded king who controlled everything they did and they didn't want the President to be anything like that. Talk about paranoia man.

I did find this one interesting thing when I looked at the powers of the Congress that suggests some sort of meshing between the two branches.

Clause 4: Joe Biden Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

Originally posted to WeBetterWinThisTime on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:12 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (11+ / 0-)

    It took eight years to break it. It's going to take more than 13 months to fix it ~ WBWTT

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:12:30 AM PST

    •  lol (7+ / 0-)

      I mean, the way this thing was written , you'd think the drafters of the Constitution were scared of one person having too much power.

      Love it.

      When you get too big a majority, you're immediately in trouble. -- Sam Rayburn

      by wmtriallawyer on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:18:47 AM PST

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      •  The diarist doesn't even bother to enumerate (0+ / 0-)

        the full extent of the President's powers or the President's important role in legislating.  

        Clause 2: From bills to law
        " Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approves, he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.

        Clause 3: Presidential veto
        " Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.

    •  Hmmmm (2+ / 0-)
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      recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;

      He can submit legislation.  

      He has Veto power.  He could kill it single handedly if it does not meet his requirements.  It would not get near the votes for an override.

      This argument is not correct, in my opinion.

      Rick
      -9.63 -6.92
      Fox News - We Distort, You Deride

      by rick on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:52:06 AM PST

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    •  This is a .... (1+ / 0-)
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      eXtina

      WTF diary.  I realize that most people graduating high school these days don't understand the Constitution very well, but....what are you trying to say here?

      "Have a beginner's mind at all times, for a beginner knows nothing and learns all while a sophisticate knows all and learns nothing." - Suzuki

      by dolfin66 on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:53:30 AM PST

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  •  Hey, I can base disingenuous arguments (5+ / 0-)
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    ferg, assyrian64, DelRPCV, kyril, eXtina

    on Constitutional text too! For my first trick, let me explain how the President wasn't really elected by the people.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:19:02 AM PST

    •  Ha Ha Ha . Try it. Let's play. (2+ / 0-)
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      It took eight years to break it. It's going to take more than 13 months to fix it ~ WBWTT

      by WeBetterWinThisTime on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:19:59 AM PST

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      •  Hey, it's all right there in Art. II, § 1: (3+ / 0-)
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        Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

        The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

        The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

        Ok, so I read the polls.

        by andgarden on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:21:51 AM PST

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  •  this is phenomenally stupid (5+ / 0-)
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    DelRPCV, andgarden, mikeatuva, kyril, eXtina

    I mean, defend Obama all you like, but this argument shows a complete ignorance of politics and of power.

    A more relevant section of the Constitution says only simple majority of votes in the Senate is required to pass a bill.

    "At the end of the day, the public plan wins the game." Sen. Ben Nelson

    by ferg on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:20:40 AM PST

  •  And the signing Statements? (1+ / 0-)
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    eXtina

    the changes?
    where are they?

    http://www.justice.gov/...

           So far as we have been able to determine, Presidential signing statements that purported to create legislative history for the use of the courts was uncommon -- if indeed it existed at all -- before the Reagan and Bush Presidencies.

           As noted above, the Reagan and Bush Administrations made frequent use of Presidential signing statements, not only to declare their understanding of the constitutional effect of the statutory language, but also to create evidence on which the courts could rely in construing such language. See, e.g., 22 Weekly Comp. Pres. Doc. 1534, 1536 (1986) (interpreting language of Immigration Reform and Control Act); 22 id. 831, 832 (1986) (interpreting language of Safe Drinking Water Act); Issues Raised by Section 102(c)(2) of H.R. 3792, 14 Op. O.L.C. 38 (preliminary print 1990) (provision of foreign relations authorization bill unconstitutionally infringed on President's authority to conduct negotiations; if President chose to sign bill, he would be entitled not to enforce provision); Appointments to the Commission on the Bicentennial of the Constitution, 8 Op. O.L.C. 200, 201-02 (1984) (discussing Senator Hatch's objections to constitutional claims made by President Reagan's signing statement on bill).

  •  Give it up (5+ / 0-)

    As could have been predicted, even before the election, the left is once again has gathered in a circle and the shooting has begun.

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:24:05 AM PST

    •  Sorry. (0+ / 0-)

      Total misread of the situation.  The accomodaters and centrists are shooting themselves in the foot by compromising with the Republicans, and ignoring their base once again.  Compromise needs to come to the middle, yet it always moves right in this and ALL the administrations we have had recently.

      Rick
      -9.63 -6.92
      Fox News - We Distort, You Deride

      by rick on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:54:08 AM PST

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  •  Oh gawd (0+ / 0-)

    The president shares some responsibility for the bad bill in the senate that said, it is not his fault Joe Lieberman is a slimy snake.

    Whether it was Howard Dean or Hillary Clinton in the WH, blue dogs will still be the losers they are today.

    "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected". -Barack Obama

    by indepenocrat on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:28:03 AM PST

  •  So I assume (1+ / 0-)
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    kyril

    you agree that it is disingenuous for the president to claim credit for the Lily Ledbetter Act?

  •  Thank God Reagan (3+ / 0-)
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    rick, assyrian64, DelRPCV

    never got any part of his agenda through a hostile congress.  We'd be in big trouble if that had happened.

    I'm not anti-environmentalism, I'm anti-colonialism.

    by sneakers563 on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:35:15 AM PST

  •  Wow its like political parties don't exist. (1+ / 0-)
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    andgarden

    Do you think we don't have an airforce? It isn't in the Constitution.

  •  The Bully Pulpit is a limited thing (1+ / 0-)
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    WeBetterWinThisTime

    even in a 24/7 cable news landscape.

    Thanks for this.

  •  Yep Bush was really impotent (1+ / 0-)
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    andgarden

    no power at all. Couldn't get a thing done.

  •  It's not all or nothing (0+ / 0-)

    In terms of blaming Obama, it is not all or nothing. But in my opinion, he certainly didn't use enough of his power in terms of HCR. I think back to how effective his speeches and press conferences were before he got elected. Couldn't he have done a couple of prime-time 30-minute television addresses to the nation in the past few months; he is an extremely effective speaker; he could have talked about the need for REAL health-care reform, and have swayed a large percentage of the public to see clearly why a strong health care bill is needed. He could have done a lot more than he has done. With the public behind him, many more congresspeople would have come along.

  •  That's true (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, but the town halls did not end up helping overall, as the media made more of the crazies in the audiences at the town halls. I'm thinking his media and campaign experts would have guessed that speeches to the entire country stood a better chance of swaying more people than the town halls could, since only selective portions of town hall meetings would be broadcast to the general public?

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