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It seems my last post on the anecdotal evidence of the efficacy of green tea, experienced by myself, has left some mistaken impressions in the minds of a  few [at least one] of the commenters.

I never said I wasn't under the care of a doctor, nor have I claimed to be seeking alternative treatments, such as coffee enemas, blood oxygenation, or vitamin C infusions, in lieu of the currently recognized methods of treatment for cancer, despite how prehistoric they may appear on the surface.

I drink green tea, I'm a competitive cyclist riding my bike 600 to 800 miles a month [at least when the weather is nicer], I read a lot of medical journals etc, and I consult with my oncologist on the best course of action, which for me has been no action for the past 7 years, 8 months, 27 days and 20 hours.

Lets be clear though, the current accepted treatment for cancer, that is the infusion of deadly chemicals into the body (AKA chemotherapy) to destroy cancer cells, should no more be confused with good medical practice than blood letting was considered good medical practice up until the late 19th century.

But as archaic as chemotherapy may appear on the surface, it is all that is available, and there is evidence it works. But at what expense?

For sure, the likelihood of developing secondary cancers is increased. Then there are other [known] side effects. e.g. neuropathy, which can cause many quality of life issues. Future treatment options after relapse are also reduced, as are the scope of a patients ability to participate in more advance treatments which may become available in the future.

Understand, unlike hard tumor cancers, blood and lymphatic cancers are incurable. Except in some extreme cases, the best anyone can hope for is a series of remissions each one lasting a shorter time than the previous. So immediately jumping into treatment, based on some belief you have to treat cancer immediately, in the absence of symptoms and despite the growing evidence of the slow growing nature of many cancers [including some hard tumor cancers], is not always the best course of action.

Remember, there really is some truth to the statement

sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease.

One last point, and it isn't my intention to get political here, but you need to consider the state of the US health care system. It is a fee-for-service system. Doctors and health care providers don't get paid for not treating. Now while there are many high quality, ethical doctors, that isn't always the case, and unless you're an expert in the field of medicine, it is hard to differentiate.

On that note, I'll leave you with one last quote, which I learned at the very first lymphoma conference I attended shortly after being diagnosed with MCL.

Nobody cares more about you than you do!

Originally posted to MetalMD on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 06:48 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    The future is just a concept we use to avoid living today

    by MetalMD on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 06:48:30 AM PST

  •  Thanks, I know am not (2+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, randallt

    who you are referring to but I made some unfounded assumptions also and this clarifies things.

    I know we would like to hear from you on WHEE some time about your cycling and health and fitness issues. We are always looking for experts on issues.

  •  Mayo Clinic (2+ / 0-)
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    This diary reminded me of something I read about green tea and the Mayo Clinic.  Here's an interesting link about clinical trials relative to leukemia and green tea.

  •  chemotherapy works, but not all that well (5+ / 0-)

    and not at all for many cancers. And the treatment itself can kill. We aren't a lot better off today than we were 40 years ago.

    And unfortunately we have no idea how to prevent most cancers, nor is general population screening effective at saving lives for most cancers.

    As a medical researcher I find this very depressing.

    All my IP addresses have been banned from

    by charliehall on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 07:46:32 AM PST

  •  Why the bloodletting bashing? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I do know that they're used in England for (1+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama

    certain types of blood clots, probably in very small vessels. As a matter of fact, I believe the original leech essentially worked like a very, very slow blood transfusion.

    It's the end. But the carrot juice has been fantastic! And so was I. - Russell T. Davies, producer of "Doctor Who"

    by The YENTA Of The Opera on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 08:02:42 AM PST

  •  Four things you can do to fight blood cancers (5+ / 0-)

    1.) Donate money or time to well established, well run blood cancer charities like the International Myeloma Foundation and the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society.

    2.) Get politically involved in health care and environmental issues.

    3.) Give blood regularly if you can.

    4.) If you can give blood, get on the bone marrow registry.

    BTW Leukemia has been effectively "cured" in the majority of children and teens who get it because of blood stem cell transplants and the use of strong chemo that children can tolerate but older people cannot. It might not be a permanent situation, but we are talking complete, durable remissions that last decades.

    We are transitioning from total reliance on chemo agents to the use of biological agents to fight cancer. My husband had a complete remission that lasted about a year because he got Velcade, a biological, as a first-line induction therapy.

    Biologicals are better tolerated and more effective than chemo. However, right now they're more dear than gold. Unfortunately Congress didn't have the guts to pass an effective health care reform package, so now we're stuck with lame health insurance reform that reforms some things but leaves others untouched. Like the affordability of medications.

    There is hope, though, and it has nothing to do with Obama. Canada's health care system was passed province by province. We can pass full care, for all, for less, for good, on a state by state basis. And it's starting HERE in California. .

    The next Single Payer Happy Hour will be January 29, 2010.
    Act locally if you want Single Payer:

    by Pris from LA on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 08:47:56 AM PST

    •  I give blood on a regular basis (5+ / 0-)
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      and am a member of the National Bone Marrow Donor Registry. I actually got a preliminary call on a a match umpteen years ago but it came to nothing.

      Very, very important for African-Americans and Asian to be registered - chances are a match is within the same ethnic group. I believe most of the registrants are Jewish, because there's been a lot of outreach in the Jewish community.

      It's the end. But the carrot juice has been fantastic! And so was I. - Russell T. Davies, producer of "Doctor Who"

      by The YENTA Of The Opera on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 09:12:41 AM PST

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      •  Good, thank you. (2+ / 0-)
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        I have Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome. It's been almost 15 years since I've had a flare so you can say I'm in complete remission. Still, because of this, I cannot give blood. It breaks my heart, especially when you consider I'm O positive and my blood could help anyone who is Rh positive. Thank you for doing this.

        The next Single Payer Happy Hour will be January 29, 2010.
        Act locally if you want Single Payer:

        by Pris from LA on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 10:13:04 AM PST

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        •  I troop in regularly. (0+ / 0-)

          And have for most of my life.

          I also worked in a hospital lab and got to see lab results.  Patients undergoing the strongest chemo REQUIRE transfusions in order to get the chemo because their platelet counts drop so much that they could literally bleed to death.

          If you can donate, please do.  If you hate needles, just be glad it's one needle every eight weeks and not more.

          Show me the POLICY!

          by Fabian on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 03:56:32 AM PST

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    •  Biologicals (3+ / 0-)
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      Biologicals are better tolerated and more effective than chemo

      Well yes and no. They're better tolerated for sure, but not always as effective in everyone.

      My wife got a good response from Velcade, but unfortunately it left her with permanent neuropathy, which she is now on disability for, and so far she's doing pretty good after her auto transplant a year ago last October.

      Rituxan has also been a great drug, used alone in some cases, and along with other chemotherapies, but now they are discovering there are some long term effects (which escape me at the moment) from the long term use of rituxan which are quite debilitating.

      And thanks for the link on I hadn't heard of that before. I'll be sure to check it out.

      The future is just a concept we use to avoid living today

      by MetalMD on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 10:36:24 AM PST

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  •  Don't you worry for a second (4+ / 0-)
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    about getting attacked, and bear in mind that demands for "full disclosure" seem to some of us, at least, to be the latest pretext for attacking powerful diarists on the part of...well, I surmise only, but have a suspicion that there is something concerted about all this.

    Stick to your, guns, we value you. And everybody once they have been here a while knows it is all caveat lector, meaning that we have a responsibility to check for ourselves before relying on the content of any diary.  

  •  Every cancer is different. (0+ / 0-)

    There are slow cancers and aggressive cancers.  There are small, localized tumors and blood/bone cancers.  There are cancers that have no effective treatment and cancers that respond well to specific treatment protocols.

    As I like to say - there is no "cure for cancer" because there is no single cancer to cure!

    Show me the POLICY!

    by Fabian on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 04:07:04 AM PST

    •  And each individual is different as well (1+ / 0-)
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      Cancers present differently, and progress differently, in each individual, and reactions to treatment are different as well.

      That is why it is so important to pay attention to your own body, know yourself, and not just blindly accept one set of particular guidelines as the only way to proceed.

      Medicine is not an exact science. If it was, there wouldn't be the need for doctors and health care professionals.

      Isn't that why they say doctors "practice medicine"?

      The future is just a concept we use to avoid living today

      by MetalMD on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 04:51:36 AM PST

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