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This is so great.  If you live in the DC area, you can help support the shift to renewable energy resources AND help create/sustain green jobs.  Follow me below the jump to find out how.

A while back I got something in the mail from Washington Gas Energy Services saying that I could switch from PEPCO to them for generation, and get a greener mix of energy resources.  So I did.

Then I got something in the mail yesterday that said I could switch to total, 100% wind generated from local generation sources.  The cost is an additional $20/month for an average 10,000 kWh, monthyear usage.

What does this do?

The typical generation mix produces 1169 lbs of CO2 per MWh.  That means if you use the average 10,000 kWh per monthyear, you are responsible for a staggering 6 tons of CO2 per monthyear for electricity generation for your house.

Switch to wind, and that goes to ZERO.  Nada. Zilch.

This is a great way to start the new year, and the new decade.

Go to Washington Gas Energy Services or CleanSteps Community for more information.

DISCLAIMER:  I am in no way affiliated with Washington Gas or any other power company.  I am just a regular homeowner.

UPDATE: As pointed out by Phillies below, its 10,000 kWh per YEAR.  Sorry!

Originally posted to Wintermute on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:01 AM PST.


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  •  Tip Jar (122+ / 0-)

    -9.00, -5.85
    If only stupidity were painful...

    by Wintermute on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:01:37 AM PST

  •  I would totally pay an extra $20 a month (21+ / 0-)

    for wind power- I would probably have to give up something (Cable tv?) but it would be worth it.

    Unfortunately, I don't live in DC area.

    Our goal this year, though is a solar hot water system.

    We have passive solar- we are trying to incorporate more active solar systems.  We do as much as we can as money allows.

    "Real History is not for Sissies" Barry McCain

    by Hill Jill on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:05:55 AM PST

  •  Did it years ago (11+ / 0-)

    My wife and I (in NY State) made the switch quite a few years ago. We switched to compact fluorescent bulbs at the same time and the savings from the bulbs (reducing our electricity usage by 30+%) more than made up for the small increase in our bill from switching to wind.

    Between this change and the fact that we don't have a car (thanks to the inefficient and often broken, but still effective NYC subway system) our carbon foot print is considerably lower than the average American's.

  •  My Dad's Having a Hissy Fit...Ready To Walk Away. (19+ / 0-)

    ....from his home of 31 years because they're putting up a wind farm in the area.  And he has my mom drinking the Kool-Aid too.  He's dedicated his life in 2009 to getting state agencies to try to derail the project and attending every imaginable function where politicians hang out to try to corner them into assisting him.  He's gotten letters from doctors explaining why he can't clinically live near wind turbines and throws mountains of computer printoffs about "Wind Turbine Syndrome" and devastating "low-frequency vibrations" to anyone who questions his outrageous claims.  Bear in mind, he's smoked three packs a day for more than 40 years, but it's gonna be "low-frequency vibrations" from wind turbines that are gonna kill him.

    Just thought I'd offer a contrasting story to yours of embracing wind energy.  Every time I go home, all I hear about is the tyranny of Big Wind and their elected office lap dogs.  And every friend or family member who calls my dad or stops by to visit quickly becomes up to his neck in wind turbine horror stories as well.  So at least for my dad, I think your poll needs another option....the "NEVER!! NIMBY!!!" option.

    •  I agree... (10+ / 0-)

      All other things being equal, decentralized appropriate local generation technology is far better in many ways than centralized, capital intensive, utilities.  But until the tax credits make the $30K of full-roof solar essentially free, most of us can't get there, so one step at a time.

      Tell your dad at least he doesn't live next to a coal plant.

      -9.00, -5.85
      If only stupidity were painful...

      by Wintermute on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:20:00 AM PST

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      •  Well, He Has Some Good Points..... (5+ / 0-)
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        ....unless you're a farmer leasing his/her land for the turbines, there's absolutely nothing in it for you with this project except torn up roads with dozens of semis containing turbine parts driving by all day long, broken up television and radio frequencies, and declining property values.  The energy harnassed by this southern Minnesota wind farm project is all going to an energy company in Wisconsin, so he won't even see a reduction in his energy costs.  If I were in his shoes, I would prefer to not see the project in my backyard as well, but his hysterics do more harm than good for the cause in my opinion.  

        •  But he DOES get his power from somewhere ... (11+ / 0-)

          ...a place that once had truckloads of construction goods and construction noise disrupting the local area. If it's a coal plant - and there is a fair-to-middling change that he does get his power from coal - every day it spews CO2 and other pollution into the atmosphere (although non-CO2 emissions have been reduced significantly over the past four decades).

          Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:38:08 AM PST

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        •  There's absolutely nothing in it for you? (5+ / 0-)
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          Clean, sustainable energy? Reduced global warming?

          People need to look a bit beyond their own immediate self interest occasionally. There is a bigger world out there, with six billion other people, people whose descendants will be around for thousands of years.

          You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

          by Opakapaka on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:05:19 AM PST

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          •  Well, The Clean Energy Is Directed Elsewhere.... (1+ / 0-)
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            Those living near the wind turbines expected to make the sacrifice will not see their own energy bills reduced because of the project. By and large I agree with your points, but in my dad's defense, if you had just retired and expected to live your twilight years in a quiet, rural setting with basic TV reception and without family pets getting flattened by turbine trucks driving by at 60 miles per hour, you might see things differently as well.  I don't buy his "health" arguments at all, but my preference would be NIMBY as I think most people's would be.

            •  I understand, (2+ / 0-)
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              but my broader point is that we Americans focus too much on our selves, and too little on the broader society. My point is that he should be willing to sacrifice so that the broader society can benefit.

              It's sad that this isn't a part of our culture, to encourage sacrifice for the greater good.

              You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

              by Opakapaka on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:22:48 AM PST

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          •  That's the thing about NIMBY though, isn't it? (2+ / 0-)
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            As long as that coal plant isn't in my neighborhood, I don't mind because it's keeping me warm.

            There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

            by Debby on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:47:43 AM PST

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        •  I would assume... (0+ / 0-)

          there would be a property tax benefit.

        •  He breathes the air doesn't he? (0+ / 0-)

          No emissions = easier breathing. I would say that counts for something.

          I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

          by Dave from Oregon on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:09:11 PM PST

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      •  It is basically free in Florida now- (1+ / 0-)
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        see my comment above.

    •  In Iowa we have wind farms all over the place (13+ / 0-)

      I have yet to hear a horror story involving people.  I think they are beautiful.

      I don't want the liberal elite communists socializing my Nazism./

      by 2laneIA on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:22:55 AM PST

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      •  My Dad Visited Locals at a Wind Farm Near.... (3+ / 0-)
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        ....Northwood, Iowa, in the far northern part of the state and his claim is that everybody he ran into in the corner cafes were lamenting the wind farms.  But my dad is the sort where if he found three people with regrets and 97 people who shrugged, he'd claim unanimous opposition.  Nonetheless, he returned from Northwood of stories of ripped up roads, busted tile in the farms, and an ongoing fight with the energy companies to equip the region with cable television because the turbines disrupted the frequency and prevented virtually all TV reception.  My dad claimed that when he asked the accommodating property owners if they'd testify to these claims in front of our local county board and the Public Utilities Commission, they told him they were under a gag order from the energy companies that put up the turbines requiring them not to speak out publicly in opposition to the project.

        My dad's such a serial exaggerator that one has to take his claims with a grain of salt, but I do expect that neighbors who signed on for the turbines will probably have some second thoughts in the years ahead.

        •  I think it would be fairly easy ... (3+ / 0-)
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 find some gold-plated source to shoot down those claims of a gag order. I have to say, of all his arguments, that is one I take with the whole salt shaker close at hand.

          Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:35:15 AM PST

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          •  My Thoughts Exactly..... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...he claims all the farmers he talked to gave him the same line, and not just at that wind farm.  Sounds very unlikely to me, but I would never challenge his assertion without evidence to the contrary.  

          •  Funny (1+ / 0-)
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            that's the one part of the argument I found to be completely believable, I used to work for GE and the lawyers have an incredible influence in any contract GE enters into.

            Doesn't surprise me a bit they would gag the landowner in return for cash, they know exactly what it takes to protect themselves from  litigation.

            As for "Wind Turbine Syndrome"... I'm much more skeptical that such a thing is real.

            How does the spinning of a wind turbine differ from the spinning of a gas turbine, or steam turbine, or the crankshaft in your car for that matter?

            Rotating equipment has been around since the invention of the wheel.

            Vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but may one day become as important as petroleum products. R. Diesel 1912

            by Patriot4peace on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:41:50 AM PST

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            •  The owners who have leases, yes ... (4+ / 0-)

              ...but all the farmers in the area?

              Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

              by Meteor Blades on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:44:18 AM PST

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            •  How they differ . (1+ / 0-)
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              The big blades goes past a stationary post .
              That could in theory cause a thumping in the air .

              Japan uses 1/2 as much energy per capita as the U.S. , conservation works .

              by indycam on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:06:51 AM PST

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            •  As for "Wind Turbine Syndrome"... (3+ / 0-)
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              For what its worth, my wife and I drove through West Virginia a couple of years ago on vacation. We saw several wind farms along the mountain ridges, then abruptly came upon a tower right next to the road. I stopped and we walked around for a while. The nearest tower was no more than a football field away. The 'whine' from the gearbox atop the tower and the thump as each blade passed the tower dominated the solitude of the setting as much as the huge towers affected the scene. We could easily hear other towers, farther away. Life in a farmhouse within earshot could easily turn oppressive after a while, I would say.

              I installed fluorescent fixtures throughout my house years ago, including seven 8-ft single tube fluorescent fixtures. I've since replaced the magnetic ballasts with totally silent electronic ones. They turn on without blinking in well under a second. I used crown molding to make attractive indirect fixtures.

              They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations ... (2Timothy 4:4-5, New International Vsn.)

              by Two cents from Derwood on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:42:39 AM PST

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              •  Gee, that's weird. I was about the same distance (1+ / 0-)
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                from a wind turbine here in Illinois last October, and I couldn't hear it at all over the rustling leaves of the surrounding corn.  I'd say the West Virginia turbines were badly designed.  Did you happen to notice what company made them?  The ones I was near are made by a company called Accionia, from Spain.  

                Renewable energy brings national security.

                by Calamity Jean on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 04:06:47 PM PST

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            •  A spinning Wind Turbine is different (1+ / 0-)
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              I have no idea if their is any validity to  "Wind Turbine Syndrome."

              But a wind turning with blades over 100 ft long at low rotation rates will cause low frequency vibrations and turbulence.  

              The question is does this cause any problems for people, other animals or plants or other environmental impacts.

              If this causes major and immediate problems - this will be known quickly from real data.  If the problems caused are subtle and take years to show themselves - it will take years to gather the scientific data to show the negative effects.

              The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

              by nextstep on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:42:48 AM PST

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            •  The biggest part of "Wind Turbine Syndrome" (1+ / 0-)
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              Maybe that my neighbor gets a monthly check plus some noise from the wind turbine, while I only get some noise.

              The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

              by nextstep on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:46:12 AM PST

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        •  I just don't believe it (8+ / 0-)

          I am not that far from Northwood, and live ten miles from a large wind farm.  I know lots of farmers, including a couple who are on the county P&Z, and one who is our state rep.  We were discussing the turbines and their only lament was that they couldn't afford to put up one of their own. I have never heard complaints about them, other than they are hard on roads.  Our county used the extra property tax money from the turbines to upgrade all the main two-lanes.

          I don't want the liberal elite communists socializing my Nazism./

          by 2laneIA on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:00:38 AM PST

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          •  Yes, I've Heard More Good Than Bad As Well..... (2+ / 0-)
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            RunawayRose, 2laneIA

            ....from those who live near them.  Of course, if I was leasing land to the turbines I'd probably be more inclined to sing their praises than if I merely owned a rural acreage and wasn't getting financially rewarded from their presence.

        •  I would expect a gag order (0+ / 0-)

          When a company pays a farmer to have its wind turbine on a farmer's property, it does not want the farmer then causing local political trouble by his complaining about the very wind turbine he is being paid to host.

          The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

          by nextstep on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:35:45 AM PST

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      •  I make the trek... (0+ / 0-)

        from Omaha to Des Moines and then north to Minnesota at least once per year.  I always look forward to seeing the wind farms.

    •  I wish ... (2+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee, RunawayRose

      ... we could have a wind farm right close by.  I think they're fascinating, but the resource isn't very consistent right where we live.  

      There are a number of local turbines at NREL's Natl. Wind Tech. Ctr., though, which we see when we go hiking.  They just installed a couple of huge ones.

      (I love how NREL describes the NWTC as 'nestled' at the foot of the Rockies.  I'd say it's more 'exposed' at the foot of the Rockies -- the winds up on Rocky Flats are fierce)

    •  The squeaky wheel gets the grease ? (2+ / 0-)
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      RunawayRose, JeffW

      Japan uses 1/2 as much energy per capita as the U.S. , conservation works .

      by indycam on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:11:45 AM PST

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    •  'Old Man Yells at Wind' (3+ / 0-)
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      Sorry for your dad's problem.

      This Kossack supports Democratic primary challenges from the left and votes in every primary.

      by harveythechainsaw on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:16:58 AM PST

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    •  I now dub your father Con Quixote (1+ / 0-)
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      altho my apologies if he's not really a con and this is a single-issue deal for him.  It just felt too perfect not to say.

      The Sleep of Regulation Produces Corporate Monsters.

      by Leftcandid on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:33:53 AM PST

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      •  He's a True Believer, Not a Con..... (1+ / 0-)
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        My dad's the kind of guy who can talk himself into believing just about anything.  I can assure you he believes every line he's publicly pitching in this wind turbine fight no matter how insane, particularly on the "health risk" front.  If anyone is a con, it's my mom who I think realizes the health claims are batshit crazy but is simply piggybacking on them because she doesn't want the turbines in her backyard for other reasons.

    •  The Tyranny of Big Wind? (3+ / 0-)
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      Isn't that cable news?

      There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

      by Debby on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:44:56 AM PST

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  •  Cool! (7+ / 0-)

    I'm going to research my green alternative here in Central PA. The utilities provider hasn't been forthcoming, so keep fingers crossed ...

    "They blamed it on the Islamic fanatics, at the time. [...] That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary." -Handmaid's Tale

    by Cenobyte on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:16:13 AM PST

  •  Please check numbers (5+ / 0-)
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    10,000 kilowatt hours a month seems unlikely.  Is that perhaps per year?  Mind you, I used 450 kWh last month, but I cook by electric and use the oil furnace to heat the hot water.  

    Let's look at this.

    One month is 30 days or 720 hours.  10,000 kWh a month is about 140 kWh per hour.  On 110 volts, that is about a 125 amp draw, 24/7.  Now, I can actually do that in my home -- the board and supply are rated at 200 amps -- but some prior owner was a bit enthusiastic about wiring.  Most homes cannot draw that much, because their circuit breakers and fuses won't handle it.

    If I actually used 10,000 kWh my power bill last year would have been about $1000 for the month, and it was actually more like $80.

  •  Good for you! One question: (4+ / 0-)
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    RunawayRose, Urizen, Nulwee, marsanges

    when you mention 10K kwh/month, is that a typo or is that average in your area?  I'm in California where I know the heating costs are lower, but my family of three uses about 500 kwh/month electricity.

    I've never claimed to be a leader of the DK eco community

    by RLMiller on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:21:50 AM PST

  •  Good for you.... (9+ / 0-)

    I think that at the end of the day, alternative energy choices will be made by individuals....block by block, building by building and home by home.

    "At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid."

    by progresso on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:28:48 AM PST

    •  Yup, this will have to come from (7+ / 0-)

      the bottom up.  We need to take the resposibility and do our part instead of waiting for "them" to do it.

      Deoliver47 was right and deserves some apologies

      by Urizen on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:39:49 AM PST

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    •  Exactly. This is the giant advantage that wind (3+ / 0-)
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      and solar power are building over nuclear.  It's getting to the point where each of us can elect to purchase alternative energy services individually.  The distributed nature of these energy sources is well aligned with the individual decision making process because when ten people sign up, a new wind turbine can be erected.  In the case of nuclear it really takes a million people to sign up and a ton of subsidies and a long approval and construction time line.

      Having a policy does not mean receiving care. -- Tzimisce

      by Miggles on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:19:12 AM PST

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  •  Well My Recreation is 100% Wind Power (12+ / 0-)

    Accordion, tin whistle and sailing dinghy. So my heart's with you.

    Photovoltaic is what I'd like to look into for our house because we work at home so we're here draining watts around the clock. I don't think we have the wind options for commercially bought power but I'll investigate.

    We have a public owned generation plant. There are still some things to love about the blue rust belt.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:29:42 AM PST

  •  Good investment (5+ / 0-)
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    Contracting your electricity through companies that invest in wind power is a good thing and encourages development of alternate forms of energy companies.  We all know that electrical power that comes to our home or business actually comes from the same electrical grid which is connected to wind, natural gas, coal, nuclear, generating stations depending one where on lives and only a small part of it comes from wind generation.  If all the generation that is connected to the grid that serves one's geographic area is lost except for wind generation, they will lose power just like everyone else because there is not enough wind generation to carry the entire system load.  Plus the fact that wind generation depends on a source that is abundant some times and non-existent in others.  That's why it is important to encourage investment not only in alternate sources of energy to increase the amount of power that comes from wind, solar and other clean forms of energy, but to invest in improvements to the electrical grid to add HV DC transmission to better carry wind generated electricity from areas where it is abundant to where it is needed which can be long distances.

  •  Wonderful! (2+ / 0-)
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    Great diary; thanks for spreading the word.

  •  That's excellent! (3+ / 0-)
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    Way to make the switch.

    Our project for the year is solar hot water.  The local utility has a wind program, too ... but we were lucky enough to be able to switch to a small PV system last year.

  •  The only problem I have with wind power... (5+ / 0-)
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    I live in an ever growing forest of wind generators.  Perhaps it is a small price to pay, but do they have to have such a bright flashing red light visible from the ground on every tower.  My night sky is now a sea of red flashing lights where as before it was just sky.  This part really sucks and it seems like it wouldn't be that difficult, in the scheme of things, to make covers for these so they only point up...where the planes are.

    GWB...goodbye, good riddance, and may your post presidency life bring you 10 times the hell you have foisted on the world.

    by just us on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:51:01 AM PST

    •  Also, I can attest to the constant.. (1+ / 0-)
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      RunawayRose of gravel trucks to build the bases.  For the past two years during construction season, it has been impossible on my road to sleep past 6 AM, six days a week.  They load the trucks at the gravel pit, line them up, and then let them loose in a convoy running 10-15 mph over the speed limit to head to the next base.  It is interesting to wonder what archeologists of the future (whatever species survives and evolves to that state) will make of these concrete artifacts.

      GWB...goodbye, good riddance, and may your post presidency life bring you 10 times the hell you have foisted on the world.

      by just us on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:08:22 AM PST

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    •  If planes are above then you wouldn't need them (2+ / 0-)
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      RunawayRose, JeffW's to warn off pilots who are accidentally too low.

      But your annoyance is understandable.

      •  Yeah. Those of us who live in this forest are.. (0+ / 0-)

        ..always too low.  The aesthetics of country living, the quiet and beautiful night sky, are disappearing here.  These were the two aesthetics that helped me overcome the ugliness of the monoculture of summer and intentional desertification of winter.  The trucks will go away in a few years, but they will leave a universe of red blinking lights that will be as ugly as any ground scar humans come up with.

        GWB...goodbye, good riddance, and may your post presidency life bring you 10 times the hell you have foisted on the world.

        by just us on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:47:17 AM PST

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  •  Green Mountain has been serving me and my area (4+ / 0-)
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    since 2001, providing wind & hydro generated power.

    "The Universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Marcus Aurelius

    by Mosquito Pilot on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:52:26 AM PST

  •  All you energy conscious people (4+ / 0-)
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    might be of some help  to  me.

    It's time for a new (used) car.

    I have a budget of $20k.

    I can buy a Mercedes Diesel with 70k miles that gets 37 mpg and is 4 years old. This beats my Mini Cooper by 10mpg for the same fuel price. (The Mini requires premium)

    I can buy a newer Volkswagen TDI for the same price, about the same mileage.

    I work with Cat diesels so some of my fuel will be free at work, which I part of the reason I want a diesel.

    Or should I wait and buy an electric car (45 mile round trip commute to work) and get some photovoltaic cells on the garage roof to charge it?

    Vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but may one day become as important as petroleum products. R. Diesel 1912

    by Patriot4peace on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:53:55 AM PST

    •  Diesel (3+ / 0-)
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      SarahLee, shpilk, Leftcandid

      If you buy a diesel, look into sources of biodiesel in your area. From what I have read (e.g. see here) any diesel engine can use up to B20 (20% bio/80% petro diesel) with no problems. Some old engines have gaskets that wear out faster if greater than B20 is used, but it is supposed to be easy to retrofit. Look here for stations near you.

      My wife and I don't have cars, but we have rented a biodiesl, an electric car and a couple of hybrids. I think overall we liked the hybrids best, but we liked them all. The electric was great, but you do need a place to recharge it for awhile.

    •  Brammo Enertia - eletric motorcycle for commute (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      Consider the Enertia - $8k and perfect for that kind of commute.

    •  PV on roof (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      George, SarahLee, JeffW

      PV on your roof is fine in its own right; but to use that to directly charge your car means you'll need batteries to store the energy until you get home to charge it (presumably you're away from home at an office or something during the day and charging at night).

      PV can feed back into the grid to offset the energy you use from the grid to charge, which also has its own benefits, but check the details. Is your electric utility truly charging you for the net use; is your use charged differently if you consume it off-peak; do they 'pay' you less for the energy you give them than the energy you take?

    •  B100 will work in the Mercedes, not the VW (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SarahLee, Patriot4peace, RosyFinch

      thanks to fuel injection changes resulting from a change in the emissions standards in 2007.

      So, if you have a local biodiesel co-op that can get you B100 at a reasonable cost, go with the Mercedes over the VW.  On the flip side, B20 is more available, and the VW will run on that.

      There are people out there working on a fix to modify the newer engines for B100, but you'd want to get to know one personally before considering buying the VW for conversion.

      There are other considerations related to your driving habits and the health of your current car.  The plug-in vehicles are not cheap yet and need some delicious socialist subsidies to get near your price range.  If your current car can last until you've saved more, the plug-in will be more of an option, provided you don't do a lot of long range highway driving (which is why I want a diesel for my next vehicle).  The Nissal LEAF can go 100 miles/charge (which Nissan says = 376 miles/gallon).

      The Sleep of Regulation Produces Corporate Monsters.

      by Leftcandid on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:04:34 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not to mention (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:

        the common rail injection on the older mechanical diesel develops 400 ft-lbs. of torque at only 1600rpm.

        It beats the 3.5 liter gasoline engine by half a second zero to sixty.

        Vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but may one day become as important as petroleum products. R. Diesel 1912

        by Patriot4peace on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:15:32 AM PST

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  •  I did ... then Enron eated it (5+ / 0-)

    I switched to Green Mountain Power back in 2000, to 100% renewable power, when California deregulated the home-retail energy market. Yay! No more dependency on energy commodities markets!

    But then Enron and Duke and Kinder Morgan started gaming the system, taking electrical generation plants down for "unscheduled maintenance", slowing deliveries of natural gas, and

    TIM: He steals money from California to the tune of about a million -- - -

    PERSON 2: Will you rephrase that?

    TIM: O.K., he, um, he arbitrages the California market to the tune of a million bucks or two a day.

    "They're fucking taking all the money back from you guys?" complains an Enron employee on the tapes. "All the money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in California?"

    "Yeah, grandma Millie, man"

    "Yeah, now she wants her fucking money back for all the power you've charged right up, jammed right up her ass for fucking $250 a megawatt hour."

    Blackouts. Lawsuits. Hippie punching. Re-regulation.

    Back on regulated utility power. About 12% is renewable, according to

    I can still install a solar panel on my roof. I checked with the utility, I'm not in a "critical circuit" that would be incompatible with home generation.

  •  So? (4+ / 0-)

    My watch has been running on 100% wind power for years.


    Thanks for the motivation. I'm calling to have this happen at my place this week. Not sure why I didn't think of it earlier.

    The best way to save the planet is to keep laughing!

    by LaughingPlanet on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 09:59:03 AM PST

  •  Wind turbines (4+ / 0-)

    photo here  For some reason I can't make it appear in this comment.

    I don't want the liberal elite communists socializing my Nazism./

    by 2laneIA on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:04:46 AM PST

  •  Hey, you ought to join our FB group! (3+ / 0-)

    You're well on your way already.

    dKos diary: Make the 10:10 Resolution

    Join the Facebook group: I resolve to cut 10% of my emissions in 2010. We've got almost 50 members already in less than 24 hours!

    Reduce 10% in 2010

    They call me Clem Guttata, find me at West Virginia Blue

    by wvablue on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:05:29 AM PST

  •  Please put up a link for Xcel Energy's Windsource (3+ / 0-)

    One hundred percent of my home's energy is matched with wind energy and it feels great! If you are a customer of Xcel Energy, you can sign up for one of a couple of Windsource wind energy plans.

    Search for Windsource in your state at

    This Kossack supports Democratic primary challenges from the left and votes in every primary.

    by harveythechainsaw on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:09:08 AM PST

  •  You can't be on 100% local wind power. (2+ / 0-)
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    George, Mother Shipper

    During times when there is no wind, there can be no wind power, so other generation is necessary.

  •  I'm at the mercy of a co-op that is run (7+ / 0-)

    by people who want to invest more in coal generation! I have yet to find one customer of theirs that thinks that is a good idea, yet when they poll their customer base, they get overwhelming support for their pollution loving ways.

    A couple days ago, I was talking to a neighbor who is one of the most far right wingnutty folks I know and he was telling me that I should install solar PV because cap and trade was going to make energy costs unbearable. I didn't argue with him. If that perception is what it takes to move people to clean energy, then let's promote that perception!

    You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake. Jeannette Rankin

    by RustyCannon on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:11:11 AM PST

  •  Many programs nationwide; Boston is (3+ / 0-)

    NSTAR Green

    Could others post links to similar programs in other areas?  Maybe diarist could update w/ compiled list.  Thanks!

  •  i just switched to Geiko (saved 15%) n/t (3+ / 0-)
  •  If you're in the New York area and use ConEd, (3+ / 0-)

    you can switch your ESCO (service provider) to ConEd Solutions. I switched in August 2008 and it's been great. It costs either 1 cent or 2.5 cents more per kilowatt hour (depending on which plan you get), which worked out to about $6 more for my girlfriend and me. It's hard to say no to that.

    Their website is

  •  Scientific American has a pretty good article (3+ / 0-)

    on sustainability

    A Path to Sustainable Energy by 2030; November 2009

    (subscription required)

    A snippet about "WWS" (wind, water, solar):

    Today the maximum power consumed world-
    wide at any given moment is about 12.5 trillion
    watts (terawatts, or TW), according to the U.S.
    Energy Information Administration. The agen-
    cy projects that in 2030 the world will require
    16.9 TW of power as global population and liv-
    ing standards rise, with about 2.8 TW in the
    U.S. The mix of sources is similar to today’s,
    heavily dependent on fossil fuels. If, however,
    the planet were powered entirely by WWS, with
    no fossil-fuel or biomass combustion, an intrigu-
    ing savings would occur. Global power demand
    would be only 11.5 TW, and U.S. demand would
    be 1.8 TW. That decline occurs because, in most
    cases, electrification is a more efficient way to
    use energy. For example, only 17 to 20 percent
    of the energy in gasoline is used to move a vehi-
    cle (the rest is wasted as heat), whereas 75 to 86
    percent of the electricity delivered to an electric
    vehicle goes into motion.
      Even if demand did rise to 16.9 TW, WWS
    sources could provide far more power. Detailed
    studies by us and others indicate that energy
    from the wind, worldwide, is about 1,700 TW.
    Solar, alone, offers 6,500 TW. Of course, wind
    and sun out in the open seas, over high moun-
    tains and across protected regions would not be
    available. If we subtract these and low-wind ar-
    eas not likely to be developed, we are still left
    with 40 to 85 TW for wind and 580 TW for so-
    lar, each far beyond future human demand. Yet
    currently we generate only 0.02 TW of wind
    power and 0.008 TW of solar. These sources hold
    an incredible amount of untapped potential.

  •  GREAT to hear this (1+ / 0-)
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    I wish we could do this in Florida. FPL our company just hyked all the rates and their service is crappy.  They got millions to put lines underground to protect service from high winds and hurricanes...and that money disappeared.....we have been lucky the past two years no bAD wind storms in South Florida

  •  How cool is that? Happy New Year :O). nt (1+ / 0-)
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    That option is out of the bill now, And senators have no remorse. For no one was really behind it-- Except for the public, of course.

    by polar bear on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:35:19 AM PST

  •  If only we could achieve this on a more (0+ / 0-)

    broad scale! Thanks for the awesome diary.

    Hearts weren't made to be broken by promises so often not kept.

    by Liberalindependent28 on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:35:28 AM PST

  •  Your poll could use a choice... (2+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, Liberalindependent28 "In the near-future", which is what Calamity Jean and I plan to do on our retirement farm.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:38:33 AM PST

  •  That's great! (2+ / 0-)
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    SarahLee, Liberalindependent28

    We are on 100% renewables with our service here. It's more than wind, I think. We thought and thought about it for too long before switching but it's been great. It's just a slightly higher rate, not a flat fee, and I think it works out to not more than a couple extra dollars a month, like five-ish. It's a great thing to support for something that costs about as much as a fast food lunch!

    There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

    by Debby on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:39:44 AM PST

  •  Chicago is. . (3+ / 0-)

    . . . Mostly nuclear with a bit of wind -- it's what you get anyway with your ComEd.  There's a huge new wind farm (more than 800 megawatts in "nameplate capacity" -- i.e. on an ideally moderately windy day) going up on tens of thousands of acres around Odell, to the southwest of the city, on top of the one thing in that part of north central Illinois resembling a ridge.  But the only place in the state that has truly reliable high winds is out over Lake Michigan.

    One of the biggest energy challenges around here is to convince people (tenants, owners, landlords alike) that they don't need to heat their apartments to 78 degrees during the winter.  I don't think I've ever lived anywhere that people were so aggressive with the thermostat.

    Perhaps the biggest challenge in terms of getting most of the country on renewables is going to be developing the next generation long-distance DC transmission networks to move the power from where it generates (wind on the Great Lakes, high plains, and in the mountain passes of the eastern Rockies; solar in the desert southwest; tidal in the Pacific Northwest and New England) to where it is needed (for example in areas of the country with few renewable energy sources such as the South).  Building long-distance power lines is a hard task, organizationally, financially and politically.

  •  For those who have either... (3+ / 0-)

    ...personal wind production or photovoltaic cells, is it viable to have one's own on-site alternative for "intermittency issues?" I've heard that storing energy with compressed air might be a viable option very soon. I know that simply staying connected to the grid is probably the lowest cost short term solution, but I was just curious about what is in the pipeline for people and communities (such as co-housing units or co-ops who might be interested in pooling resources) to be less carbon dependent.

    What about using rain water? Can one use an elevated capture tank to be the source of backup power generation? Or is the infrastructure for this just a bit too cost prohibitive right now?

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

    by Egalitare on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:47:49 AM PST

    •  If your grid connection is reliable, (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      that is, your grid connection hardly ever goes down, and if it's down it comes back up within an hour or two, then it's a waste of money to have a local backup to your personal wind turbine or PV panels.  Just hook up to the grid, and when your personal generation produces more power than you need, you feed it into the grid.  When your personal generation produces less power than you need, let the grid feed you.  Your electric company doesn't expect you to produce power consistently.

      If your connection to the grid is not reliable but commonly has multiple-day outages, then it makes sense to have batteries onsite to keep the refrigerator running.  
      Obviously if you're off grid you need batteries and/or a fossil-fueled generator to keep your power coming.

      I was just curious about what is in the pipeline for people and communities to be less carbon dependent.

      If you have a good grid connection, the best way to become less carbon dependent is to agitate for an increase in the amount of renewable energy on the grid.  (Currently about 2%.)

      Renewable energy brings national security.

      by Calamity Jean on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 02:17:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  If only it really was buying wind power. (3+ / 0-)

    In the Alice in Wonderland world of "carbon offsets" and "renewable energy credits" you are really just buying the same old coal fired electricity while Washington Gas Energy Services purchases "renewable energy credits" from someone else who may or may not be generating any more clean energy.  It may just be a big polluter who gets credit for shutting down a polluting operation and moving it to China where it will pollute even more.

    Real key is government regulation requiring that 10%, 20%, 50% of a utilities power be generated by wind, solar, geo-thermal etc.

    The "offsets" and "credits" don't build clean energy generation plants.

  •  Where would this wind power be going if you (4+ / 0-)

    weren't buying it?  If the answer is "to someone else" then you haven't accomplished anything.  If it would have been otherwise unused, then you really are helping the planet's CO2 load.
    Here in Marin Co. we are having a lively debate over switching from PG&E to Shell. Shell would give us 20% "renewable" power vs. PG&E's 15%--but PG&E's non-fossil fuel mix is 50% vs. Shell's 80%!
    You would not believe how difficult it has been to have a rational public discussion on this issue.  Our local eco-fundamentalists seem to be completely immune to a serious debate over risk/reward or cost benefits. If anybody says "green", there's a rush of support, irrespective of the merits.
    The Apollo Alliance has the right idea but if your local program isn't actually getting new WWS facilities constructed with your dollars, you are being conned.

  •  have you seen this turbine>? (6+ / 0-)

    It's a small home turbine that will be sold at ACE hardware. The advantage is that is works in as little as a 2mph wind.

    Disclaimer - I work for the parent company, but in a completely different division and point out this product due to it's innovative design and sales channel.

    I want to move to the alternate universe where Gore was the President... anyone know the address?

    by zipn on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 10:59:38 AM PST

    •  that's a tough one though.... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      on the one hand, it's good someone is making small turbines, it's hard to not have mixed feelings about buying things from companies that profit from war.
      on the third hand, coca cola profits from the war...  though, i guess they don't make coke specifically for militaristic implementation.

      no personal offense intended at all, btw, i know we all gotta earn a paycheck and, furthermore, plenty of defense contractors and conglomerates with all kinds of non-defense business units.

      Get on the offense and stay there.

      by mediaprisoner on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:25:42 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  This outfit is also in the "small wind" game (3+ / 0-)

        I'm sure there are other players as well.

        Helix Wind

        "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

        by Egalitare on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:16:42 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  I understand (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mediaprisoner, Egalitare

        it is a large, diversified company, and I am thankful for my position there. We all make choices, and I respect that. I actually work for the part of the company that provides services and products that improve efficiency and reduces energy consumption. (but not the same side of the company  with this wind generator).

        The neat thing with this design is that the magnets are on the tip of the turbine blades, not in the center. This provides greater velocity at low wind speeds, letting it generate usable power in conditions that conventional propeller systems can't. It falls into the "Why didn't I think of that?" category.

        I'd love to have a combination of wind, photovoltaic and solar on my home.

        I want to move to the alternate universe where Gore was the President... anyone know the address?

        by zipn on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:44:26 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Very cool, (0+ / 0-)

      but impossibly pricey right now. $6K plus installation and electronic hook up, say $8K for 2000kWh/year? It looks like 40 years to make your money back if you don't discount to present value or have any maintenance or replacement costs (and if electric rates are stable). My own PV system had about a nine-year payback, and does not have moving parts. It's a lot quieter that the turbine, too.

      Sounds like I'm carping. I am not; this is very cool, just not right for me, yet.


      Ass-crack vodka shots: the official energy drink of the Republican Party.

      by CitizenJoe on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:37:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I live in DC and got excited, but more research (2+ / 0-)

    has revealed many complaints having to do with WGES door-to-door hard sell tactics:

    Comments at this next site range from favorable to unfavorable, most of the complaints having to do with contract termination and auto-renewal:

    I'm going to think about this one for a while before taking the plunge.

    Having a policy does not mean receiving care. -- Tzimisce

    by Miggles on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:01:50 AM PST

  •  Welcome to the future (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SarahLee, Liberalindependent28
    I've had a similar plan here in Houston for about 8 years now.
  •  Damn, not in my zip code. Wonder if Dominon (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    has a similar program.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:09:06 AM PST

  •  Carbon Credits are Cheap (1+ / 0-)
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    Right now, with carbon credits still in the hands of their "producers" (the parties that do things that actually reduce the carbon emissions overbalance) and little demand except from "early adopters" mostly buying them on principle (or ahead of the price rising on increasing demand), buying carbon credits is cheap. My semi-rural NYC suburb of about 2500 homes just ran a thorough pro Greenhouse Gas Emissions audit, and determined that we could buy carbon credits at about $7 each that would balance our "GHG account" for under $20,000 (atop a $15M budget that generates the excessive GHGs). Not just for a single year, but probably for something like 12 years. If we wait to buy them, they could easily cost 10x that amount or more. So we're investing in them now.

    Which makes us one of the primary stakeholders in creating and enforcing cap & trade. Because if the amount of allowed pollution keeps growing, it just dilutes our investment in pollution offsets.

    So we're at a crossroads. Without cap & trade, we'll have thrown away money at a doomed Greenhouse, money we won't have to spend on the vastly more expensive piecemeal cleanups as the climate continues to change. With cap & trade, we'll have reduced the net amount of GHG our budget and its operations emit in the world, but we might not be able to afford to pay others to reduce emissions on our behalf. So we're buying in at the crossroads, and hustling for everyone to get moving on this road.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 11:23:47 AM PST

  •  I am so lucky! (1+ / 0-)
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    I followed the link for local green energy companies and found this description of my current provider:

    MidAmerican Energy Company is No. 1 in the nation in ownership of wind-powered electric generation among rate-regulated utilities and has more than 1,393 megawatts of wind generating facilities in operation, under construction and under contract in Iowa. According to a 2009 report from the American Wind Energy Association, MidAmerican also is No. 1 in the nation for installation of wind generation.

    MidAmerican began building wind turbines in 2004 and has made the investment without raising customers’ electric rates. The price of electricity per kilowatt-hour, the electric rate, for MidAmerican customers is lower today than it was in 1995, and the company has committed to not seek an electric rate increase to become effective until 2014, which is nearly 20 years without a rate increase. Also, the company does not have any electric rate increases planned for its customers in Illinois or South Dakota.

    Approximately 20 percent of MidAmerican's existing electric generation capability comes from renewable resources.

    MidAmerican's parent, MidAmerican Energy Holdings Company, already is a world leader in renewable energy, with approximately 24 percent of its generating capacity coming from renewable or noncarbon fuel sources. The company's worldwide renewable power sources are wind, geothermal, hydroelectric and biomass.

    Who knew?

  •  This is so much easier (2+ / 0-)
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    Egalitare, Liberalindependent28

    than trying to explain climate change.

    Let's Adopt the James Cameron school of politics: let the sheer quality of the product sell the ideas.

    by Paul Goodman on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:08:32 PM PST

  •  I live in DC (Penn Quarter)... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    and will make the switch this week for sure!!!  Thanks for the info!

    "Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." - Albert Schweitzer

    by Apost8 on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:11:10 PM PST

  •  Thanks Wintermute (1+ / 0-)
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    I checked it out and BGE will be 13.6c/kwh in summer and 11.25 in winter.  

    Clean energy allows you to lock in at 11.5c/kwh year round.

    100% wind costs no different than coal.  There is no excuse not to convert.

    "Progress" is the core of progressive. Two steps forward. One step back.

    by captainlaser on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:12:13 PM PST

  •  I am just about to switch -but to Clean Currents (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    RosyFinch, Liberalindependent28

    I live in Montgomery County (just outside of DC). Currently we have Pepco.  And similar to switching to Washington Gas Energy Services, there is another company called CleanCurrents that is doing the same thing.  
    From their respective websites I think that they are buying power from wind farms in other parts of the country, in a sort of credit swap type thing.  The actual electricity that is coming into our house will still be from coal, but our money will go to a wind farm somewhere. As a commenter above stated since the actual electricity coming in is still from coal, its not as good as it could be.  But I think the purpose is to make sure that wind power gets paid for, and thus allows investors (or power companies) to feel secure in creating new wind farms.  

    As for cost: right now I pay 11.5 cents per kwh. Under Clean Currents it will be 11.6 cents per kwh. (so no increase to worry about.) But Pepco has summer rates (high) and winter rates (low). So I suspect that this summer Pepco will raise their rates - last summer it was, I believe, 12.5 cents per kwh.  BUT clean currents is a flat rate at 11.6 cents all year.  Meaning that switching should save us money, not cost an extra $20 per month.  

    I called them up and asked some questions, and basically if there is a problem with the power generation, then we get switched back to Pepco. (For example if all wind in the country just stops blowing, or for some reason wind farms are shut down because they go out of business, are deemed unsafe for some reason, etc.)

    I am not affiliated with Clean Currents, you can go to: for more information.  I am literally in the process of doing the same thing as the diarist.

  •  We are 100% renewable energy (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    for our electric needs here on our little southern Oregon farm, thanks to Blue Sky from Pacific Power, and thanks to rooftop photovoltaics, rooftop water heater, passive solar design, and solar-powered chickens. Also, a Gem car.

    Every year, our house generates more electricity than we use living in it, and a small balance goes to people who can't afford their own electric bills. Very cool programs our power company has.

    Ass-crack vodka shots: the official energy drink of the Republican Party.

    by CitizenJoe on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:24:50 PM PST

  •  I wrote to the local utility company. (1+ / 0-)
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    I have a farm with a tall hill, and asked them for help in finding a granting agency that could help me in setting up a wind turbine. Nary a word back from them.

    I guess I'll have to do my own research - not in my field, it's a scary thought. Worth the time, though, eh?

    If not blocked by the GOP, 2010 will arrive shortly. - Larry Webster, Lexington Herald-Leader

    by SciMathGuy on Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:55:59 PM PST

  •  I question whether you are, in fact, switching to (0+ / 0-)

    wind energy. Since the electricity in the grid is mixed, you are still using all sources. What you are probably doing is providing funds to the utility to invest in renewable credits which may, or may not, be actually producing wind energy in your area.

    Some of these are real scams.

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