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AS WE ARE ALL AWARE, the Senate, asserting that they need to make the "numbers" on a health care bill laden with huge giveaways to the drug, hospital and "insurance" industries, "look better" asserts that they need a FIVE YEAR DELAY before the benefits of the health care bill go into effect. This is TWO national elections away!

AS WE ARE ALL ALSO AWARE during that FIVE years, at least 505,000 Americans, half a million innocent people, will DIE of preventable causes due to their not being able to afford health care. Arguably, most of those people almost certainly have "insurance" of some kind, but perversely, they will often not be able to afford to use it.

Building any form of delay into any health care bill isn't just fraud and bad faith. Such "deals" that needlessly prolong deaths and suffering, possibly in exchange for money, are clearly crimes against humanity, and almost certainly crimes under good government laws, as well as the Federal RICO Act.

IMPLEMENT THE BILL, NOW, OR ADMIT ITS FAILURE AND THATS ITS A FAKE BILL DESIGNED TO DELAY AND LETS MOVE ON

EITHER

1.) its a workable solution, and we implement it NOW,

OR

2.) its a failure and we dump it NOW.

Legislators, lobbyists, executives, etc. should be made aware that as such, "delays" of any form for any reason other than absolute physical impossibility of the most extreme kind, while a need of such size exists for DECISIVE ACTION, ALSO represent in all probability multiple criminal acts of extreme gravitas against this nation's people and indirectly, all humanity. They have in every conceivable way, an obligation to act, now, to make health care affordable and available and prevent these deaths. Their obligation to the people of this nation is more important than obligations to campaign donors.

In most sane nations, acting against the interest of the nation at such a time, would be a capital offense.

I think that all good Democrats should demand that the Attorney General investigate the legality of any said delays or deals between parties given this very real conflict between the moral obligation of politicians and their donor obligations. if the Attorney general's office is involved in this in any kind, an independent investigation should be undertaken. At the very least, said delay could and should represent both CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF THE MOST DANGEROUS KIND, and potentially, if evidence emerges of conflict of interest, bribery or non-justifiable obstruction of any kind emerges, potentially, treason, given the obvious state of emergency as millions of our most vulnerable citizens lack any way to access affordable quality health care.

Efforts should be made to determine what laws have or are being broken. If they assert that laws have not been broken in this situation, how this can possibly be so needs to be explained in detail, and those legal arguments asserting this and their legal arguments for same need to be placed into the official record, for posterity, just as the infamous "torture memos" of the previous administrations were, allowing Americans a glimpse into the minds of their leaders, so should this argument.

If, in the future, evidence emerges which exposes intent, their prosecution, as there are no statutes of limitations for crimes against humanity, should then immediately be undertaken.

Additionally, the nation needs to be aware of the potential for blackmail inherent in such obvious and blatant disregard for human life.

KNOWLEDGE without reporting such a conspiracy potentially could trap any leadership that then ignored warnings such as this one into a situation where they could be blackmailed by anybody having knowledge of their knowledge or participation in negotiations leading up to that criminal deal.

Any malfeasance or conspiracy that knowingly results in the preventable deaths of half a million Americans is NOT and should NEVER be a laughing matter.

References:

1.)Study: U.S. Ranks Last Among Other Industrialized Nations on Preventable Deaths - The Commonwealth Fund
101,000 Fewer Americans Would Die Annually If the U.S. Improved Its Preventable Death Rate to that of the Three Top Performing Nations

2.)Preventable Mortality Amenable to Health Care Improvements Study (longer BMJ version PDF)

3.) Acts Constituting a General (Transnational) Danger Considered as Offenses Against the Law of Nations (writings of Rafael Lemkin archived at preventgenocide.org)

4.) Wikipedia: Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO)

Originally posted to Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:36 PM PST.

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Do you support a delay that could result in 505,000 or more additional preventable deaths while numbers are manipulated for the benefit of Senators egos?

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    cartwrightdale

    'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

    by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:36:16 PM PST

  •  trolling for mojo to make up for (12+ / 0-)

    what goes around comes around, buckwheat. -- AndyS in Colorado

    by bubbanomics on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:38:28 PM PST

  •  But the most vulnerable... (4+ / 0-)

    who are poor and with pre-existing conditions will get help almost immediately...presumably the rest can wait a few years...

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:40:26 PM PST

    •  Links? (0+ / 0-)

      n/t

      'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

      by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:41:00 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Oh really? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm poor and have a pre-existing condition that makes me currently uninsurable, and everyone I've talked to so far STILL says I have to wait to 2014.  So...?

      A health care worker, beaten at work, then denied health care: HelpAmelia.com

      by cartwrightdale on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:53:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Nope 90 days... (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Diogenes2008

        Obama - Change I still believe in

        by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:08:50 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  for what? (0+ / 0-)

          A chance to buy market rate individual insurance with a potential 400% upward premium adjustment for health status?

          'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

          by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:17:54 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I don't think so (0+ / 0-)

          Here's what I get (from the senate site):

          The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will provide $5 billion in immediate federal support for a new program to provide affordable coverage to uninsured Americans with pre-existing conditions. This provision is effective 90 days after enactment, and coverage under this program will continue until new Exchanges are operational in 2014.

          So how does that help?  I technically do "have insurance", but am drastically underinsured (using Blue Cross).

          A health care worker, beaten at work, then denied health care: HelpAmelia.com

          by cartwrightdale on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:52:55 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  $5 billion, over six years (0+ / 0-)

            divided by how many million people?

            Average cost of healthcare per capita around $8,000 annually

            sicker than average risk pool, older than average age

            typically not employed due to health reasons

            'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

            by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:57:36 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  I won't help everyone...just those who cannot... (0+ / 0-)

            get any insurance due to pre-existing conditions...

            Obama - Change I still believe in

            by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 03:31:24 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  So does that help me or not? (0+ / 0-)

              In Michigan, no private insurance company will take you if you're a Type 1 Diabetic.  So you have to choose the (horrible) non-profit option, Blue Cross Blue Shield.  I spend more than 1/3rd of everything I make just on managing this one illness.  It's crippling me and I'm almost certainly going to be declaring bankruptcy in February.  But don't I still count as "having insurance" now?  And therefore, I won't be helped at all?

              A health care worker, beaten at work, then denied health care: HelpAmelia.com

              by cartwrightdale on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 04:42:56 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Basically if you cannot get insurance... (0+ / 0-)

                because of a pre-existing condition you are eligible...

                Obama - Change I still believe in

                by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 06:07:56 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Well... again what does that mean? (0+ / 0-)

                  I cannot get PRIVATE insurance now because of a pre-existing condition.  But every state in America has a non-profit option you can buy which cannot turn you down for a pre-existing condition.  It's horrible, but it is still "insurance".  So, I have Blue Cross insurance, because they aren't allowed to turn anybody down.  But under your definition, and my reading of the bill, I wouldn't qualify for assistance, because I can get Blue Cross.  

                  To put it another way.

                  1.  Blue Cross currently operates in all 50 states.  They cannot turn you down for a pre-existing condition.  A lot of people, like me, who don't qualify for private health insurance, have Blue Cross, the so-called "insurer of last resort".  It is terrible, terrible coverage.  But it is coverage, and every single person in the country currently qualified for it.
                  1.  The bill says it only helps people who "cannot get insurance" on their own because of a pre-existing condition.  But this is not true, because again, every single person in the country COULD get Blue Cross, and therefore would be ineligible.

                  I don't get it.

                  A health care worker, beaten at work, then denied health care: HelpAmelia.com

                  by cartwrightdale on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 07:54:53 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  That is not the intent... (0+ / 0-)

                    Here is the language...

                    4 (2) has not been covered under creditable cov5
                    erage (as defined in section 2701(c)(1) of the Public
                    6 Health Service Act as in effect on the date of enact7
                    ment of this Act) during the 6-month period prior to
                    8 the date on which such individual is applying for
                    9 coverage through the high risk pool; and

                    Section 2701 refers to fair premium standards in the exchange...so if it does not meet that standard (reasonable rates, deductibles, co-pays out of pockets) then you would qualify

                    Obama - Change I still believe in

                    by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:31:17 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Hold on a minute.. (0+ / 0-)

                      You are on Venus if you really assert that because a company can quote you a SKY HIGH price you could never afford for crapsurance that doen't cover anything that you are "covered"..

                      By your definition, NOBODY needs help, THEY MIGHT JUST NEED HUGE RAISES.

                      Why is the whole country, 320 million people, being held hostage for 450,000 people, one sixth of one percent of us?

                      by Andiamo on Fri Jan 08, 2010 at 08:08:51 AM PST

                      [ Parent ]

            •  EMPHASIS ON THE "_ANY_" IN A BIG WAY... (0+ / 0-)

              thats what they are saying, in the strictest possible sense, right?

              99% of us just wont qualify, unless the ONLY reason we cant get insurance is that we were refused insurance AT ANY COST, not just that we could not afford the EXTREME price they asked because we had some health issue or were over 40?

              I can see where this is going. This is it.

              They won't help you, unless you could DEMONSTRATE that not only would you had been willing AND able to buy super expensive individual insurance out of your own pocket, at market rate, but that you actually tried to, in a binding way, and THEN were refused it.

              For example, if you were "offered" high deductible insurance for $5000 a month, translated, $60,000 a year, you wont get help..

              In other words, UNLESS you tried to pay, THAT sum, and failed, you don't qualify, tough luck?

              Thats how I think they work... its a system that is UNREPENTANTLY SKEWED FOR THE RICH..

              So, its clearly a system that has ONLY one purpose, preserving against all odds and the public interest, the utterly unaffordable, morally bankrupt and vampire-like "health insurance" industry, so that the vampire-politician class does not have any liability for the insurance industry's many destructive, murderous failures.

              Wow..

              'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

              by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 04:54:31 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Complete exaggeration...n/t (0+ / 0-)

                Obama - Change I still believe in

                by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 06:13:35 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  But, I'm on the right track, am I not? (0+ / 0-)

                  That's kind of the way the high risk pools do it.

                  Run of the mill desperate, uninsured or underinsured people won't EVER be helped by them.

                  Correct?

                  'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

                  by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:23:45 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Actually I looked it up... (0+ / 0-)

                    the standard refers back to Section 2701 which is the exchange standard for coverage, premiums, co-pays, deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums...

                    So it is a reasonable standard...not arbituary...

                    4 (2) has not been covered under creditable cov5
                    erage (as defined in section 2701(c)(1) of the Public
                    6 Health Service Act as in effect on the date of enact7
                    ment of this Act) during the 6-month period prior to
                    8 the date on which such individual is applying for
                    9 coverage through the high risk pool; and

                    Obama - Change I still believe in

                    by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:37:53 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  By all accounts MANY massachusetts families (0+ / 0-)

                      cannot afford BOTH the mandated underinsurance AND the out of pocket costs. A huge number of people who were managing before are now unable to get medical care there. Because the insurance costs too much and then still leaves them with unpaid costs they can't manage. The Obama administration is trying to cover this up.

                      Its being covered up by lies about every single aspect of the situation. They are going wild in understating or more often, completely ignoring the real world expenses people face... their goal is getting this bad bill passed .

                      There is an aggressive disinformation campaign going on to cover up the huge affordability issues with this mandated underinsurance, so that they can prolong the agony of the people of this nation and delay adoption of single payer for another five or ten years while huge numbers of people die..

                      For money.

                      Why is the whole country, 320 million people, being held hostage for 450,000 people, one sixth of one percent of us?

                      by Andiamo on Fri Jan 08, 2010 at 12:43:14 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  And your solution... (0+ / 0-)

                        would leave even more without access to healthcare for the next 40 years until we can round up enough support for single payer...

                        So who's plan kills more people...???

                        Obama - Change I still believe in

                        by dvogel001 on Fri Jan 08, 2010 at 12:49:53 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

          •  Cartwrightdale (0+ / 0-)

            I think that the bills focus is on improving statistics.

            The entire country virtually is underinsured and getting increasingly crappy care. So, take heart in that you have a lot of company. Sooner or later, something has to change. Chances are, it will be us.

            You are probably not a big contributor (after all, as you said a third of your income is already spoken for) so you almost certainly are a VERY low priority for the politicians. They don't have to do much to keep your vote.

            The insurance companies needs are really at the center of this whole public optional business.

            As long as they can maintain you at a level of minimally acceptable health in your work, so you don't die, at the lowest possible cost, and not cure you, you are "their" most profitable kind of customer. The Dems can probably count on your vote as well. After all, the GOP is even worse, right?

            'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

            by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 06:26:52 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  how do you square this with kill-the-bill ? (5+ / 0-)

    that leads to delay and avoidable death and suffering.

    Republicanism is affirmative action for morons.

    by chicago jeff on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:42:05 PM PST

  •  i'm starting to think that health care (0+ / 0-)

    is screwing up with evolution.

    Jake McIntyre says I might as well have voted to invade Iraq. Jake McIntyre sucks.

    by SeanF on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 01:56:07 PM PST

  •  OK (4+ / 0-)

    So, I agree that it sucks that the current bill will take so long to take effect.  I really do.

    So...you're plan is to criminalize opposition to an immediate single payer HCR plan.  

    We can't even get a prosecution of obvious and well documented war crimes by Bush and Cheney, you think you are gonna get them for all the republicans now.

    Yeah, that's gonna work.  

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:09:49 PM PST

    •  WHATEVER your argument, it fails with the DELAY (0+ / 0-)

      implement it, NOW.

      'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

      by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:19:36 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I can't IMPLEMENT it now (5+ / 0-)

        If I had a PICTURE of Lieberman fucking a pig that I could blackmail him with--I WOULD.  But I GOT nothin'

        PS Its really cool TO USE all caps on random WORDS, it makes my comment SO MUCH more insightful.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:25:16 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Put your money where your mouth is.. (0+ / 0-)

        any delay is MURDER.

        'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

        by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:25:51 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  are you respoding to yourself? nt (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          highacidity, TheLizardKing

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:26:59 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  If you really believe it will work (0+ / 0-)

          or not,

          THERE IS NO CONCEIVABLE EXCUSE THAT JUSTIFIES ANY DELAY AT ALL WHILE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE DYING.

          'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

          by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:28:28 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You seem confused (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Ahianne, clubbing guy

            so let me explain something very clearly

            I am not a senator, I have no sway over a senator except at election time.

            I cannot implement anything, for or against.

            I agree that it should be implemented immediately (preferably single payer).  But I do not have any power over it--senators do.

            So, back to your initial plan, have the DoJ prosecute senators for crimes against humanity.  Send Holder a letter demanding prosecution...then please, please, please hold your breath until they occur.

            "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

            by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:40:11 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I'm just trying to make an important point (0+ / 0-)

              obviously

              'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

              by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:51:53 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  No Andiamo (4+ / 0-)

                You 1) proposed a batshit stupid idea for how to get the HCR started immediately (war crimes prosecutions) then 2) accused anyone who pointed out how batshit stupid your plan was of being in favor of killing 500,000 people.

                Delete this POS diary and enough with the feeling superior to everyone bullshit.

                It hasn't been a pleasure, and I'm outta here.

                "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

                by Empty Vessel on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:58:45 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Only if they needlessly delay (0+ / 0-)

                  their "solution".

                  EITHER

                  1.) its a workable solution, and we implement it NOW,

                  OR

                  2.) its a failure and we dump it NOW.

                  'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

                  by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 03:07:00 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I don't speak your language (0+ / 0-)

                    and I don't think you are even making the smallest effort to understand what I am saying, either.

                    Stop attacking me and make an effort to understand what I'm saying. I'm not your enemy.

                    I'm basically saying, "They are trying to have their cake and eat it too, in such a way that betrays their true intentions, and those true intentions are not to do anything positive with healthcare, and certainly not to make anything affordable. I suspect very strongly that their goal is one thing only and that is DELAY"

                    So, if we want a simple test that will tell us what their real intentions are, its to say, OKAY, LETS PASS THIS BILL NOW, NO DELAY.

                    Given that option, but only with the condition that there was ZERO delay, that the bill took effect now, no five year delay, I would be willing to bet $100 that they wouldn't take it.

                    They obviously can't admit that, politicians of course have to pretend that they want health reform.

                    For many, their real goal is killing it. Because real reform to some extent, they feel, threatens their ability to control people.

                    They are abusive, or covert-aggressive type personalities.

                    Now, do you get it?

                    'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

                    by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 05:25:14 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                •  "batsh*t"? (0+ / 0-)

                  ??

                  'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

                  by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 08:15:25 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

  •  Pathetic shite filled poll, unsurprisingly. (6+ / 0-)

    It was good enough an excuse to rec this craptastic diary, just for the singular pleasure of unreccing it.

    "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Lennon

    by trashablanca on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:12:17 PM PST

  •  Don't you have a diary to write at FDL...n/t (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    clubbing guy

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:16:59 PM PST

  •  I am a little confused about this diarist... (5+ / 1-)
    Recommended by:
    Ahianne, kat68, Empty Vessel, Deathtongue, clubbing guy
    Hidden by:
    relentless

    there is diary after diary about Single Payer or nothing and then pushing to get this bill passed...

    Is the diarist really having a good time torturing himself/herself....by continuing to debate a moot point over and over again...

    It is the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result...

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:31:24 PM PST

  •  I guess it would (0+ / 0-)

    mess with a political holy grail if anyone suggested that the health field quit charging more money every year.  

    Oh Noes!  The rich must make more and more and more.

    •  arresting inflation? (0+ / 0-)

      Arresting inflation is a great idea, but its impossible without a switch from a market economy to a planned economy.

      You can slow it every once in awhile, sometimes even reverse it - but the only way to make it determinate is with central economic planning. I honestly think we're more likely to see a lesbian Wiccan president with a fundamentalist Muslim running mate elected first.

      Though America switching to a planned economy is still probably more likely than an atheist being elected president. ;)

      "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange...including a public option." President Obama, 7-18-09

      by efraker on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 04:47:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Inflation would normally reverse during times (0+ / 0-)

        like now, because nobody could afford the prices, or social change that releived the pressure..

        In China, over 4000, there is a clear pattern Google "mandate of heaven"

        the thing that is happening now, though that has never happened before, in the same way, is exponential growth in technology. that creates a great many jobs, but it also eliminates low skilled jobs.. (not very surprising, but the US seems to be in pathological denial about the impact of thsis, perhaps because we have not been investing what we obviously need to do in education, for decades now, and this has been for us a huge, potentially cataclysmic, to a great extent irreversible  mistake)

        Basically, the need that the ruling class once had for low and medium skilled workers to man factories, offices, etc. is rapidly declining. Machines are improving in capabilities exponentially, doubling in ability for a given dollar amount, every 18 months.

        However, business still needs customers. for the last decade or two, they are successful often in focusing on luxury customers, but there is increasingly, even fierce competition for them!

        'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

        by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 05:06:13 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  What I said to my congressman. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Andiamo

    As to the deficit and numbers issue. This is not an occasion to go after deficits and wasted money if this is the first or principal time you are doing it. If you were for real about it, you would already have gone after the Agriculture and DOD budgets, and worked on principle to strip pork and irrational budget allocations out. I reminded him that he is a Dem and that in Clinton's time, there were balanced budgets, but that Part D was voted in, and he was a Congressman at the time, and no effort was made then to make it deficit neutral. This is not the time now to suddenly become a deficit hawk if you missed all those other opportunities. My Congressman is one of those Cantor has identified as a possible switcher because of debt and deficit issues.

    •  the double standard (0+ / 0-)

      well put

      'Single Payer' means EXACTLY that, one single HIGH QUALITY payer equals...HUGE SAVINGS and affordable quality healthcare, NOW.

      by Andiamo on Thu Jan 07, 2010 at 02:54:12 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

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