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What is it about TV-news people?

I just watched Keith Olbermann's show, and I'm afraid I'm disappointed in our pal Keith.  The crisis in Haiti is story of the day, and the apparent cost of being a TV star became evident in Keith's evident lack of decent judgment about covering it.  As if the human tragedy did not present enough drama by itself, Keith had to go fishing for more.  Not once, but twice, he went beyond the facts of the story in a sad, transparent effort to drum up even more high drama and doom than the more-than-ample supply of tragic facts warrant.  

In the first instance, he had a live on-site report from Haiti featuring Brian Williams, Ann Curry, Al Roker, and NBC news correspondent Kerry Sanders, all together at the airport. Between the four of them, they did a good job of describing what they knew of the dire situation, including death, destruction, chaos, and the several impediments to effective emergency response. However, the sad facts of the situation evidently were not enough for Keith.  He had to try to drum up more. After saying he did "not want to try to create a problem out of nowhere, but..." he proceeded to do exactly that. He asked if perhaps things were not only terrible but were also about to become far worse, with desperate people trying to force their way into the airport, creating an even more terrible situation by adding violent rioting to all the bad things that actually have happened. What then transpired was all too predictable: the TV-news people were eager to follow Keith's lead and pile on. First Brian Williams chimed in, commenting that Haiti is about an inch "from spiraling out of control". Anne Curry couldn't wait for Brian to catch his breath before she chimed in, amping up her so-called reporting about the "real risk" of Keith's doomsday scenario becoming true, adding that there "is an expectation here that that could happen". Roker had no chance to further spike the drama before Anne pressed Kerry to add to the sense of impending doom. He did so immediately by talking about "a sense of anarchy beginning to set it". Now, keep in mind that none of the on-site TV-people had mentioned anything of the sort before. There was no reason to think it was on the mind of any of them, but prodded on by Keith to make things sound worse, they eagerly jumped on the bandwagon of impending doom. No matter how bad it is, it's about to get worse. So, stay tuned. At the end of the segment, Keith congratulated his pals on doing such a terrific job. As we know by now, if there is one thing TV-news  people like to do, it’s to tell each other what a great job they’re all doing.

Apparently, one round of this did not sate Keith's appetite for manufacturing additional high drama from a situation that already provided more than plenty, so he kept at it with the next on-site report. This time it was not a member of the American TV-news club, but rather a reporter from Reuters who had recently motorcycled around town to eyeball the situation. Ben Gruber, the Reuters reporter, did an admirable job of doing what reporters are supposed to do, which is to report on what they actually know. As in the previous segment, just the very tragic facts were not enough for Keith, he had to press for even more drama regardless of whether it was true or not. So, once again, Keith went fishing for a story of impending doom. He asked if there was "any sense of desperation taking over"... a "fear that this night, if there is not a rapid escalation of the relief effort, that things will get out of hand tonight".  Now, please be aware that he asked this after it had been clearly established that circumstances precluded any chance whatsoever of a "rapid escalation of the relief effort" tonight, so the real question was quite clear: Keith pressed the Reuters reporter to tell him if all hell was about to break loose within hours.  To his credit, Mr. Gruber refused to bite.  He did what any responsible reporter would do, which is to say that he could not speak to matters he had no knowledge of, he could only report on what he knew to be true. Faced with a reporter who was responsible enough to stick to the truth, Keith pressed again. This time, he asked Gruber to guess about the national death toll. Keith did this after Gruber had described the things he knew and the things he did not know, but Keith wanted more-than-news regardless of the facts. Again, Gruber refused to play the TV-news game, and calmly repeated the gist of his previous answer: that he could only report on what he knew, that he had no way to judge what the national death toll might be, but he did estimate the number of dead he himself had seen to be about a hundred.

So, to review, Keith and his pals from NBC were happy to go beyond the truth to discuss dire hypotheticals, based on nothing in the way of substance or facts, just feel, while the one real reporter, the guy from Reuters, stuck to the truth.

Here's what I want to know: What is it about having a job on TV makes the people of so-called TV news become shameless drama hounds? In this case, Keith and his NBC colleagues were not content to report on what may be one of the most grim and tragic natural disasters know to us. The dire facts were not yet in before they speculated about impending doom, caused not by natural disaster but by civil disorder, despite the fact that the Haitians appeared to be not acting poorly so far. They did this only after being prodded from New York by Keith to do so. Why is it that dire tragedy is never quite bad enough, no matter how bad it is? Why is there some evident desire to talk about it getting worse, regardless of how bad it is already? Why is that? It's certainly not endemic to journalism.  After all, the guy from Reuters knew where the line of responsible journalism is, and he refused to cross it, despite twice being invited by Keith to do so. The Reuters guy was able to do the right thing. But the crew from NBC couldn't. Nor could Keith refrain from pushing again and again for irresponsible journalism. Is there something about being on TV that makes otherwise good people act like this? Is there something about being on TV that causes them to think that no amount of tragic truth is ever tragic enough, that there is always a need to drum up drama about everything getting worse?  In the same way that no amount of profit is ever enough for Wall Street, it seems that no amount of bad news is ever enough for the people of TV-news. It's like the "greed is good" mantra that led Wall Street to excess has been adapted to TV: "Tragedy is good. Give us more, more, and more. And if you don't have more, well, just speculate some extra tragedy into existence anyway".  Is there no limit to this?  Has everybody on TV lost their mind?

Originally posted to russdog on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:18 PM PST.

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    •  I thought Keith was really pushing this 'civil (11+ / 0-)

      unrest' meme to an annoying extent. I had to turn him off. (my fiance hates it when I swear at the TV for more than a few minutes)

      He was going there for no discernible reason that I could see. Our history is that we are frequently intervening in Haiti during periods of civil unrest, but this was so unnecessary, I couldn't get why Keith wanted to go there.

      God has no religion. - Gandhi

      by OIL GUY on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:31:48 PM PST

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    •  So, russdog, what's really bothering you? Did (11+ / 0-)

      KO point out the obvious about your heros (RL/PR) and it hurt your only true feeling?

      Personally I'll cheer for KO and Rachel ANYTIME on ANY SUBJECT.

      Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson are going to have a nice Xmas. Too bad about everyone else. ♥

      by 0hio on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:35:19 PM PST

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      •  Hmmmm.... (4+ / 0-)
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        Personally I'll cheer for KO and Rachel ANYTIME on ANY SUBJECT.

        If you were a Limbaugh fan, they'd call you a ditto head.

        Independent thought. It's what's for life.

        I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

        by The Navigator on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:17:24 PM PST

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      •  Huh? (6+ / 0-)

        Are you claiming that I'm somehow a Fox troglodyte because it bothers me when the people I like (like Keith) do a crappy job and become cogs in the hype machine?  Is that what you think?

        Wow.  Who are the Brain Police?

        ps:  I think Rachel does less of this crap than anybody.  I think she's the only person on TV who actually wants to discuss policy. Everybody else mainly wants to just diss somebody. (Not that there's anything wrong with dissing the troglodytes, but still.) But even Rachel gets handed the same 3 stories and video clips every night that Keith, Ed, and Matthews get handed. It appears that everybody gets to pick one story on their own to go along with the daily specials that they all are supposed to cover. I wonder who the central planner is at MSNBC who tells them all which 3 stories are the only things that happened that day. Because either somebody does that or else it's just an amazing coincidence night after night after night. Plus, I thought video was cheap.  I didn't realize they had to economize by using the same video clips on show after show after show each night  ;-)

      •  That is an horrid comment (3+ / 0-)
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        It represents the much of what is wrong about some of the discourse on DK.

        To imply that somehow that russdog supports those lunatics Limbaugh and Robertson because he criticizes Olberman is just plain disgusting. What's next? Will you go Godwin?

        If you disagree with the diary, indicate your areas of disagreement. To equate the diarist with filth like Robertson and Limbaugh is especially inflammatory given their hideous remarks today.

        If you have any decency, you will apologize.

        Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

        by slatsg on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 10:59:33 PM PST

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        •  "If you have any decency, you will apologize." (0+ / 0-)

          If you have any decency, you will kiss my Irish American butt.

          I replied to what was written and how it was received. I yet feel the true problem was a hidden factor.

          Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson are going to have a nice Xmas. Too bad about everyone else. ♥

          by 0hio on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 09:20:09 PM PST

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        •  thanks but... (1+ / 0-)
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          I appreciate your support.

          I was surprised to find a couple people fabricating stories about me being a right-wing troglodyte just because I criticized one aspect of what Keith did. I was even more amazed when Keith did the exact same thing in his not-so-special comment down below.

          I had always thought that deflecting criticism by changing the subject to imagined ulterior motives and calling people names is what right-wing troglodytes did, so they could avoid addressing anything.  But I guess it goes both ways now. It appears that some among us have devolved into being members of angry post-rational tribes.

          Personally, I blame TV for it. While the politics changes from one channel to the next, the emphasis on triggering emotional reactions seems to be pretty much the same. Even though Keith blew it by calling me names here, the thing I criticized him for wasn't near as bad as what the emotion-vultures at CNN do almost every day. I figured Keith made an error in judgment, just from being part of the TV-club. I never he thought he actually intended to do it, whereas the CNN people seem to work at it.

          •  I've looked through your comments (0+ / 0-)

            and it appears that I am more to the left than you are. We probably disagree on the HCR bill, for instance. I simply believe that it is possible to disagree, even disagree vigorously, without demonizing fellow progressives.

            I was also disappointed in Mr. Olberman's remarks. He seemed rather thin-skinned for a public celebrity.

            Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

            by slatsg on Sat Jan 16, 2010 at 03:11:14 PM PST

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            •  further left? (1+ / 0-)
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              Maybe you are, or maybe not.  IMO, we mostly have warped definitions these days, based on where the line-of-scrimmage is.  Since Reagan, the line-of-scrimmage over which squabbles happen has shifted way to the right... somewhere over at the Right-30- or 25-yard line. So, if somebody is at the Right-40, TV calls them "left" because of which side of the line-of-scrimmage they're on. Most things that I hear called "left" aren't far from the 50-yard-line. For example, lots of people talk about Bill Clinton as if he was a liberal, and I believe that's where his heart was, but his policies were mostly not in the Left-40's where liberals were, but were to the right of the 50-yard-line.

              AFAIK, we don't really have a left anymore. What people call "center" or "moderate" is really right-wing if you ask me. When I say "center" or "moderate, I mean near the 50-yard-line, but TV-news calls that the "left" when it's not. I think that's a big part of how voters get snookered: they want to be moderate but get conned into supporting right-wing stuff that is mislabeled as moderate, without realizing they're getting scammed by the labeling.

              •  I agree with your analysis of the labels (0+ / 0-)

                My point was simply the state that most here at DK seem to be in favor of moving the country in a leftward direction (in other words, back to center).

                When we start throwing flames like Ohio and KO did we risk alienating potential allies. It could devolve to a Monty Python caricature.

                Worse is that the some simply iwthdraw from the political process with a "pox on both their houses" attitude.

                Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

                by slatsg on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:08:28 AM PST

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            •  HCR? (1+ / 0-)
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              Not sure what you think.

              IMO it's a very crappy implementation of 2 important principles. I think it's crucial to get those principles established in the law as something that is within the federal government's purview. Once that's done, the genie is out of the bottle and the Republicans are screwed. I think getting the genie out of the bottle is a precondition for fixing the crappy implementation. Fixing the lousy implementation might not happen in time to do me any good, but it's not about me, it's about the future.

              I am not saying that you're supposed to agree with this.

              •  My major concerns are the mandate and the tax (0+ / 0-)

                Regardless of the justification, the mandate is perceived to be an unconstitutional, coercive requirement to  buy from a private entity.

                The tax is perceived as another attack on middle class people.

                Had these been enacted during economically properous times, there still would have been opposition, but it would not have been as strident as now.

                After the economic collapse and the bailout, this is considered to be one more instance of where those with the money get heard and those without get ignored. I happen to agree with this last point. There doesn't appear to shared sacrifice IMO, but rather the financial aggrandizement of the moneyed classes at the expense of the others.

                But as I have written many times, we shall see. I could be wrong and this could end up benefitting the working poor.

                Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling. - Cake

                by slatsg on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 07:57:30 AM PST

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                •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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                  I completely agree that the implementation is mostly corporatist BS. I just think that was inevitable, given that Congress is for sale. As long as Congress has arbitrarily banished the entire concept of "conflict of interest", what do we expect? I also agree that the fat cats will do fine, while regular folks are last in line. That's what corporatism does. I just don't see why anybody is surprised by it, that's all. Given how things are, I think getting the 2 key principles established is crucial. Fixing the implementation will take longer than it should, but I don't think anything is fixable until you get the principles established first.

                  I realize this is not a Happy Meal view in the near term, but if you think the country has been conned into drifting as far to the right as I think we have, then the only way to get a Happy Meal would be if there was some huge and sustained people-in-the-streets thing that would tear the country apart. As long as everybody has toilet paper, I don't think that's gonna happen. Sitting around and posting words on the intertubes is one thing, getting out in the street is something else. Face it, not many people are gonna do that about health insurance.

    •  I watched. I agree. I turned on CNN instead. (4+ / 0-)
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      by keeplaughing on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:13:08 PM PST

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    •  HR'd for shameless trolling (2+ / 1-)
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      I ♥ President Barack Obama

      by ericlewis0 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:48:14 PM PST

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    •  Uprated & Rec'd (5+ / 0-)
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      For content, and blatant HR abuse.

      I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

      by The Navigator on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 10:01:08 PM PST

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    •  Fox Was Worse (1+ / 0-)
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      I was flipping channels amongst the 3 news networks.  There's no doubt that CNN had the best, most newsworthy coverage.  MSNBC did also cover the tragic earthquake in depth, thanks to the NBC News operation.

      However, when I turned on Fox, during the O'Reilly show, what did I get?  They were doing a political story criticizing Obama, of course, and in 10 minutes of watching, not one word about what was going on in Haiti.

      Outrageous!

  •  This diary was hard on my eyes. (22+ / 0-)

    But anyway, I don't think it unreasonable to anticipate a certain amount of disorder. Criminals are running loose. People will lose hope and become desperate and there might be some unrest.

    I certainly don't think Keith meant any harm.

    Obama's campaign was about bringing change to the country. His presidency is about defining what that change means and how to achieve it.

    by marabout40 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:23:30 PM PST

  •  I saw a (14+ / 0-)

    CNN reporter on the ground say that gunfire could be heard in the area, and they indicated that security could become an issue pretty quickly as water is so scarce.

    •  And just now on CNN all the people who are (18+ / 0-)

      camped out in the park, because they have nowhere else to go started stampeding.  Someone had apparently started a rumor that there was a tsunami/flood, and they all started running in fear.  
       I don't think Keith said anything out of line.  Everyone is worried because everyone is without everything right now.  Aid has started to arrive, but there are no trucks etc. on the ground to get needed supplies to the public.  Water distribution is critical. Food and medicine.  Bodies are lying in the streets.  I think some sense of possible unrest is perfectly understandable under these horrific circumstances.  

      •  I don't think he was out of line. (5+ / 0-)
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        But, I don't understand why he kept pushing this. Clearly the reporters om the ground thought the story was dramatic enough without introducing the possibility of violence. It was weird. Not like Keith. I do think the reporting was dull. MSNBC repeated the same narrative over and over - only the studio anchors changed. Maybe that drove Keith to dig for something different.

        God has no religion. - Gandhi

        by OIL GUY on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:36:34 PM PST

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        •  clearly you dont remember new orleans (1+ / 0-)
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          a lot of bad shit went on down there.  and some stuff that wasn't covered.  It could have been worse but just ask the people down there and it was still pretty damm bad.

          Laughter is a force for democracy - John Cleese

          by GlowNZ on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:37:56 PM PST

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          •  We now know that much of the violence reported (9+ / 0-)

            from New Orleans was not true. Many false reports from police and others, greatly exaggerated the situation. People were not being murdered at the Superdome (or whatever the fuck you call it). Police officers were exchanging gunfire with ghosts.

            No one lied about this. People were very emotional and frightened and their imaginations got the best of them. Sadly, I think some may have died because of this hysteria.

            It is best to play down any of these elements until they can be confirmed. Ginning them up only increases the possibility they will become true.

            God has no religion. - Gandhi

            by OIL GUY on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:54:36 PM PST

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          •  Much of the reporting from NO (9+ / 0-)

            after Katrina was quite sensationalistiic, as this analysis from SUNY Buffaloshows.

            Contrary to initial media reports following Hurricane Katrina, the crime rate in the city of New Orleans in Katrina’s aftermath was actually significantly lower than in the months before the storm. Using a social constructionist perspective and drawing on print media coverage of the storm, this article analyzes the role the media played in the social construction of lawlessness in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina. Content analysis of 193 articles published in majorpapers between September 29, 2005 and August 4, 2005 show a developing narrative that gradually changes and sets the stage for the widespread horrific (and false) reports of murder, rape, and anarchy that appear in later weeks. Particular attention is given to the shifting meaning of looting which changes drastically in the week immediately following the storm. The consequences of themedia’s coverage are discussed as it relates to legal consciousness as well as public policy.

            Ivor van Heerden, who wrote a very compelling book about what led to the Katrina disaster and what happened after, also addresses this issue quite well.

            In 2006, the Congress; in 2008, the White House; now, let's get to work, we have lots to do-and undo.

            by Nina on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:58:42 PM PST

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    •  They Said all That (5+ / 0-)

      About New Orleans too - and it ended up being lies.

      Folks can't report on a majority Black area in chaos without getting all "oooooh....." CRIME.  Raising the spectre of potential violence in this context is subliminally racist and I was deeply upset that Keith Olbermann went there - and I consider him one of my favorite reporters.  Now is not the time.  People are dying.

      If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

      by shanikka on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:16:26 AM PST

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  •  Your opinion aside ... (23+ / 0-)

    ...it would help most readers if you broke up those giant blocks of type into more paragraphs.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:31:28 PM PST

  •  Give it up - (13+ / 0-)

    he was within appropriate boundaries of news coverage, which was to anticipate what's next when people are still recovering from shock.

  •  i just watched the video of it (11+ / 0-)

    and you are full of crap.  

    Laughter is a force for democracy - John Cleese

    by GlowNZ on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:33:52 PM PST

  •  Perhaps, (4+ / 0-)

    If you placed your trust in Fox, as this diarist may have done, you might tend to believe that when an anchor asks a question of the reporters on the ground, he has a negative motive.

    In this case, KO is asking those reporters for a sense of the situation.  It is reasonable to think that people who have next to nothing, and have that taken from them, might turn to violence, looting, and the like.  It's reasonable for a person to want to know if there are signs that may be happening.  It's called journalism.

    I think George W. Bush is the perfect president to preside over the end of the world. -Marc Maron

    by Nona D Above on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 08:45:59 PM PST

    •  Journalism? (4+ / 0-)
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      Would he have asked that question if an earthquake had leveled Palm Springs?  You call it journalism, I call it racism.  

      •  Oh. My. Goodness. Look at this: (0+ / 0-)

        Just one day later:

        Desperate Haitians set up roadblocks with corpses in Port-au-Prince on Thursday to demand quicker relief efforts after a massive earthquake killed tens of thousands and left countless others homeless.

        Angry survivors staged the protest as international aid began arriving in the Haitian capital to help a nation traumatized by Tuesday's catastrophic earthquake that flattened homes and government buildings.

        More than 48 hours after the disaster, tens of thousands of people clamored for food and water and help digging out relatives still missing under the rubble.

        Shaul Schwarz, a photographer for TIME magazine, said he saw at least two downtown roadblocks formed with bodies of earthquake victims and rocks.

        "They are starting to block the roads with bodies. It's getting ugly out there. People are fed up with getting no help," he told Reuters.

        Keith Olbermann: clairvoyant?  I don't think so.
        Keith Olbermann: good journalist?  You bet your ass.

        I think George W. Bush is the perfect president to preside over the end of the world. -Marc Maron

        by Nona D Above on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 07:06:51 PM PST

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  •  OH Pahleeze! Talk about someone "drumming up (4+ / 0-)
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    DRAMA"

    Good lord... your diary does exactly what you are accusing others of doing.

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  •  Because the real news is never enough. (8+ / 0-)

    Or something like that.

    We turned off KO for the same reason.  I never expected a diary about this, much less a comment.  I figured I might just be raw with the very sad news coming from Haiti and I didn't need something more added to the reporting. I was kind of taken aback when Keith pressed on about this. The reality on the ground isn't enough to report on?

    Interesting how some of us snap to the same things.

  •  Agree and (8+ / 0-)

    glad you had the courage to diary this.  I was upset the first time KO pushed this, the second time I was angry, and the third time I switched channels. Maybe the worst thing was his patently false, oh-so-sincere-voiced preambles of I don't want to start any rumors, or perhaps I shouldn't bring this up, etc.  Right, Olbermann, you shouldn't have brought it up.  BEFORE THE FACT.  

    This wasn't news, this wasn't compassion, this was a pure unadulterated attempt at sensationalism.  And this was not the time to suggest that grieving, wounded, terrified Haitians are going to commit violence.  For shame, Keith Olbermann.    

  •  Well said....if not foolhardy, around this place (4+ / 0-)
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    You forgot to mention Keith's lambasting Limbaugh and Robertson for inserting politics into the tragedy, then immediately do just that by trying to make a connection to the disaster in Haiti and the health care debate here...giving Anthony Wiener bait that he wisely did not take.

    I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

    by The Navigator on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:00:55 PM PST

  •  What the fuck are you talking about? (4+ / 0-)
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    Did we watch the same newscast?

  •  It was a wee bit cringe worthy...... (3+ / 0-)
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    and I'm a HUGE KO fan!  Love his show.  But tonight I realized he needs to stick with what he is good at.  Politics.  Specifically, calling out Repukes and Faux (one in the same) for the lying low life scum that they are.

    Critics are [like] losers. It takes no effort to be one.

    by thestupiditburns on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:07:47 PM PST

  •  I watched K.O. tonight, but I didn't see (5+ / 0-)

    what you saw. If there's a flood, is a news anchor creating false drama if he wonders out loud if the waters will rise even more?  

  •  Would not be surprised to see KO check in here (1+ / 0-)
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    Just a hunch.

    I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

    by The Navigator on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:13:05 PM PST

  •  Yeah, I was disappointed in that aspect (5+ / 0-)
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    of his reporting. He repeated it several times. Basically how long until they start rioting? I think that he asked the NBC reporters about "them" climbing over the fence at the airport.

    I don't remember this angle being hyped in regards to the survivors of the tsunami. I may be mistaken about that.

    There was so much of that after Katrina and it was racist. There were probably more black men shot by cops and vigilantes after Katrina than innocents killed by criminals.

  •  What a petty diary. Keith's coverage was (3+ / 0-)

    fantastic tonight.  It's a shame some people just want to pooh pooh Keith every chance they get.  So he asked a question about desperation in the populace.  Big fucking duh.  Anyone versed in recent Haiti history would know that that is a very apt question.

    Having a policy does not mean receiving care. -- Tzimisce

    by Miggles on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:25:08 PM PST

  •  I Was About To Write... (17+ / 0-)

    ...this was the dumbest thing I had ever read about myself.

    Then I did the most useful thing you can do here - check out your diarist and your primary commenters.

    Russdog and Blindyone - check out their histories. Let me know if you find any. Each making their debuts right here on our little stage.

    Had me going there for a second. You trolls are getting freakin' desperate. Is this to protect Limbaugh for turning this nightmare into an excuse for his on-air racism about this today? To cover O'Reilly for having done twenty seconds on Haiti in two nights (and the twenty seconds was spent devoted to bashing the President for not holding a news conference after Detroit as he did after Haiti)?

    DKos is undergoing a full scale Troll attack, object, divide and conquer, muddy pools, etc.

    And given that this topic was brought up by Brian Williams and Ann Curry, I would have been a piece of crap journalist if I hadn't followed up.

    "If you're going through hell - keep going!" -- Winston Churchill

    by Keith Olbermann on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:32:34 PM PST

    •  We get a lot of them. (6+ / 0-)

      DKos is undergoing a full scale Troll attack, object, divide and conquer, muddy pools, etc.

      •  Yeah, # 205392, you would know, I'm sure.... (2+ / 0-)
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        •  blindyone... (6+ / 0-)

          Keith is right about the fact that there have been a lot of trolls lately, and that there has been a lot of right-wing crap leaking into Daily Kos.

          You've seen it - I know you have.

          The man's tired, overworked, and dealing with a lot of tough stuff right now, and has been for some time.

          I don't think you're a troll, but there are some here.  I know it stung when he called you that, but think of how he had to have felt, reading this diary last night.

          He's a good man, and has taken a large share of crap here lately... we all have.  Please, don't take it too personally... put yourself into his shoes for just a moment, and see if perhaps you can understand.

          If you can, thanks... if not... well, I understand.

          •  Well, thanks. My self esteem is up and running (9+ / 0-)

            and I feel fine, but thanks for worrying about me. I already talked to my husband about it this morning and he was impressed that Keith even responds to writing on this site. We are both fans of his and regular viewers of his show.

            He was foolish to get personal and call me a troll when he doesn't even understand how this site operates. I have commented thousands of times here, and my comment history is easy to access.

            My main point still stands. The media reporting on Katrina was terrible. It hyped sensational reports of shooting and violence that turned out to be false. I don't recall any media outlet apologizing or explaining why they did such a poor job of reporting on Katrina. I don't want to see this repeat itself in Haiti.

            MSNBC is about to do a special show on Monday about race relations in America after the election of President Obama. I want MSNBC to realize that poor reporting on Katrina definitely had something to do with who the majority of the victims of Katrina were. My point, and the point of other commenters here, is that it is so easy to go to the "black people out of control and acting like criminals" theme. We have seen that too many times before.

            First, professionally speaking, media folks should be accurate and not sensationalize news stories. Then, morally speaking, they should be careful that they aren't creating an unnecessary us and them divide if they seriously want to motivate their viewers to open their hearts and their wallets.

            If the victims of a natural disaster come across as being more like us, and more likeable, our hearts ache and we want to help. When they seem like people that we can't really identify with, our hearts harden and we can look away and maybe even blame them for their situation. It happened with Katrina, and I don't want to see it happen again.

        •  Yea I would for would, I see them on here. (0+ / 0-)

          You dont have to be here a long time to see this
          you just have to open your eyes, but I guess you dont want to.
          And by the way, your not exactly an old-timer  yourself #117779.

    •  absolutely, Keith! you rock (7+ / 0-)

      major troll attack indeed! Cheers and keep up the great work. :)

      I ♥ President Barack Obama

      by ericlewis0 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:42:42 PM PST

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    •  Maybe I'm "digging for dirt" too, or (4+ / 0-)

      "making news" or being "sensationalist," because the question you asked is one I had too.

      stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

      by Mother Mags on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:43:44 PM PST

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    •  russdog is new, (9+ / 0-)

      blindyone has made numerous comments. We all have to start somewhere. I didn't get the impression at all that either one was defending Limbaugh or O'Reilly. They were uncomfortable, as I was, with the focus of the reporting. You and others disagree.

      In 2006, the Congress; in 2008, the White House; now, let's get to work, we have lots to do-and undo.

      by Nina on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 09:45:30 PM PST

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    •  Oh shoot. Keith, (8+ / 0-)

      I really like you and respect you.  Some of us here were kind of taken aback with the question but regardless, we do appreciate you! You are a great guy, doing a great job at MSNBC.

      As I said above, I only thought it interesting I had the same reaction. I also said, it's a little thing, no biggie.  

      I confess I do not know the diarist. I agree we get our share of trolls. I, however, am certainly not a troll.  :/

      I also agree with you about FOX.  I remarked to my husband that their coverage of Haiti was deplorable.  

      Anyway, it's been a long day for you, it's late and this diary is going nowhere.  

      ::Peace::

    •  Uh, wait a sec... (10+ / 1-)

      This is really quite a remarkable response.  The gist of it is that, because I don't have a track record around here, and because I took you to task about something I thought was neither appropriate nor responsible, I therefore must be some kind of Foxy troll. In my admittedly-first diary, I criticized one aspect of your participation in one measly show.  In return, you immediately went to Defcon-1 and leapt into name-calling mode. That seems like an iffy call on your part.

      Two things:  a few facts, followed by one simple question...

      Facts:  I'm enough of a semi-old-fart that I remember you from ESPN. Then, I lost track of you, but since the very beginning of your current gig, I have used TIVO to watch about 98% of your shows. I think you mostly have done a public service, and I also credit you for helping Rachel be able to do her public service as well. If Ed leaves, I hope you will use your influence to get MSNBC to have Thom Hartmann replace him.  I also do not think you are a Lefty, I think you are a sensible Moderate (which is intended as a compliment).  I think the media has brainwashed much of the nation into thinking Centrist is somehow the Left, that the Right wing is somehow the Center, that moderate is somehow radical, and that radical-Right is somehow moderate.  I've got more people than you can guess watching your show, from my grown kids to my old high school and college pals.  So, do I really sound like a Foxy troll to you now?

      Question:  I've written an article about the role the media has played in misleading everybody about where the Center really is, and about how they keep everybody confused about what Left, Right and Center really mean.  If I mail you that article, will you simply read it and then tell me if you think I'm a right-wing troglodyte troll?

      ps:  I also love baseball and know a lot about it, clear back to the Brooks Robinson days. While I don't appreciate the name-calling, I am able to find the personal fortitude to not hold it against you that you seem to like the MF'ing Yankees  ;-)

    •  KO is OK (1+ / 0-)
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      having a proper news diet important.  NBC evening, some News Hour, a daily dose of Keith and Rachel, Stewart to put it into perspective and a little Colbert to remind me why I'm not a conservative.

    •  Hey Keith (5+ / 0-)

      There is one here that is worse than either of those two - one of the commenters.  
      "The Navigator" has followed me from place to place, simply to hurl insults - at you, and then at me as well.  

      I get the feeling it's someone who has a bad day, and then chooses to come here and metaphorically pull the wings from any flies it can catch.  This person knows that I respect you, so it has become his/her mission to denigrate both of us as much as possible.  Or perhaps he figures that if he shows up at a troll diary that is about you, he might get some attention from you.

      Trolls?  Hell yeah, we got 'em.  And some of them flock to any diary mentioning you for the sole purpose of harassment.  This one even defended Bush today, making it rather easy to figure out the motivation.

      And that three dollar banjo you mentioned some time back... yep.  You definitely got that right.

      Hope you're feeling better.

      •  Who's Got a "Three Dollar Banjo," (5+ / 0-)

        and why don't I see it featured in a certain someplace every night?! ;D

        Dems, get some guts, or we'll KICK YER BUTTS!

        by CityLightsLover on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:43:44 AM PST

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      •  Stalker. (0+ / 0-)

        Obsess much? First over KO, and now me?

        And follow you from "place to place"? We can add LIAR to your repertoire.

        I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

        by The Navigator on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 07:52:10 AM PST

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        •  See what I mean? (3+ / 0-)

          This one followed me from one diary to another a couple of days ago, and then slammed you - I hadn't been talking to him, or about you... and yet, there he was.  

          Navigator, you're nothing more than a sad, pathetic bully.  I saw you doing the same kind of thing to a couple of other people last night in a different diary, and just shook my head.

          I don't know why you get such joy out of harassing people, but I'll say this much:  The worst part of it is that you're predictable, and you're boring.

          Hopefully this will be the last time I ever address you.  Go find something better to do.  Maybe even something constructive.

          Bye.

          •  OK (0+ / 0-)

            I commented a couple diaries you have been in after you came after me after I made some commments in the diary about Clinton's comments about the health care clinics. Please provide the links showing I "follow you around" from "one diary to another".  You are implying that I'm a stalker...and yet it's you who are obsessing over me.

            Looking back, I count at least three diaries where you have either commented directly to me, or called me out. Including this one.  It seems, as evidenced as recently as this diary, that it's you who are following me around.

            As for saying that my "mission"to denigrate both of us as much as possible" I have mentioned Keith maybe 50 times in over 2,500 comments on this site.  And you are barely on my radar except when you harass me.

            Next you, say

            I was in this diary yesterday, but only rec'd comments.  Didn't leave a comment myself because, well... because I knew this clown would see it and come after me.

            Well, let's see, it seems to me that YOU came after ME, directly to KO, and I didn't comment to you until then.  Hmmm....wonder why.  Perhaps because you slammed me, by name, to another member of this site? Again, who is stalking and harassing who?  You'e being a hypocrite.

            As well as calling me a troll, you also imply that others on this thread are trolls as well because they dared question something KO did.  Once again, who is the one who is obsessive?

            Those are the FACTS.

            Finally, if you want to play this game, that's fine.  Perhaps Keith would be interested to know that he has someone on here who's posts are devoted almost singularly to worshipping him.   You are the who who fits the stalker profile, not me.  Who would you like it if I called you out that way to him the way you just did?

            Now, I suggest you back off, and stop harassing me.

            I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

            by The Navigator on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 08:37:33 AM PST

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          •  Again.... (0+ / 0-)

            I saw you doing the same kind of thing to a couple of other people last night in a different diary, and just shook my head.

            Again, who is following who around?

            I really suggest you stop obessing over me, calling me out, and following me around.  This will be the last time I'll comment to you, unless, again, you continue to come after me.

            I'm glad the record is now clear.  This thread is bookmarked.

            I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

            by The Navigator on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 08:39:32 AM PST

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            •  Here (2+ / 0-)
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              First diary

              In this first diary, I wasn't talking to you or about Keith Olbermann, but you came after me (and him) anyway.

              ~~~~~~~~~

              Second diary

              And here you are, in the second diary... chasing me around, talking about Keith again, when the subject was something else altogether.

              In both cases, I was not talking to you, about you, or about Keith, but you made it about him, and aimed at me.

              That's stalking.  That is harassment.  And yeah, I was in this diary at the same time you were, but I didn't comment, and this is precisely why.

              Now go away.

              •  Two diaries? (0+ / 0-)

                That's stalking you? That's "following you from diary to diary"?  That's "stalking"?   And innocuous comments at that?  You have publicly called me out (against site rules), and commented to me first, on numerous occasions. And you call me an others who dare criticize KO "trolls".

                You have some kind of fawning obsession over Keith (something many others have pointed out to you) and hating obsession over me....but they are both obsessions.   One more time, I'm going ask politely, I don't care if you worship Keith, but stop harassing me, and don't ever comment to, or about me, again.  If you do, it will be further evidence of your obsessive, stalking behavior

                I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

                by The Navigator on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 08:57:31 AM PST

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        •  Oh, and by the way... (2+ / 0-)
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          I was in this diary yesterday, but only rec'd comments.  Didn't leave a comment myself because, well... because I knew this clown would see it and come after me.

          I guess I was right.

    •  Since you're a Harry Potter fan... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...might I suggest keeping this video handy for future posts like yours:

    •  Not to change the subject or anything... (4+ / 0-)

      ...but do you like Scotch? I packed you bobblehead in a box with a bottle of Macallan 25. I expect that bottle to still be full when we get to Oakland, mister! ;)

      Have a great day, Keith! I know I won't, so take my share today. And don't you worry about those dirty little trolls.

    •  Respectfully Sir (6+ / 0-)

      I am one of your biggest fans.  But you are wrong on this one and I urge you to please at least hear what those of us who are loyal to you are saying about this.  I for myself do not accuse you of malice - just of being American, and all the subconscious things that we Americans are programmed to think about as priorities when we are dealing with stories affecting an overwhelmingly Black population in chaos.

      You are incorrect about one thing in particular - Blindyone is a long-standing, long participating member of DailyKOS.  She, like many of us, are regular contributors and participants in BlackKOS in particular.  I urge you to do a full search, rather than the default search the system sets up. It's a common error.

      If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

      by shanikka on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:25:13 AM PST

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    •  blindyone (5+ / 0-)
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      Is a very valuable and longtime contributor around here who just happens to not write diaries.  That's ok we all don't.  I have a real issue with how you rather than address his points attack him as being a troll and dismiss his ideas as stupid out of hand.

      They aren't stupid they were shared by many of your loyal viewers.  I love countdown, but I didnt get to watch it all last night as my wife turned it off insulted when your questions and commentary veered as the diarist accurately described.  As I understand it the people of Haiti spent their time in parks praying and singing hymns amping the idea of civil unrest on the first day did not help and was not accurate, and was one of the issues I was so disgusted with the American media following Katrina when Black folks became refugees and those who if they were white would be described as survivors got tagged as looters.

      You talk divide and conquer but you are the one who are dividing, and had this been any other kossack leading an ad hom attack on other Kossacks like you have against the diarist and Blindyone  comparing them to Fox contributors you'd have been HR'd and rightly so.

      I'm darker than a paper bag so i'm unelectable to Harry Reid.

      by Adept2u on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:27:09 AM PST

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      •  The Irony (6+ / 0-)

        Both in the Superdome and in the parks of Port-au-Prince, Black folks in crisis came together to find strength in PRAYER - yet we're spending time speculating on the possibility of a few knuckleheads doing something violent, as if THAT is the logical conclusion of how we respond to crisis more than turning our hearts to the Lord.

        Frankly the real risk is folks wearing out their knees on that hard ground.  Perhaps more reporting on this might be in order.

        If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

        by shanikka on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:34:58 AM PST

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      •  Thanks for the support, Adept2u. I would have (6+ / 0-)

        felt better if I saw that you and shanikka had my back before I responded to Keith.

        I don't think that it is out of line to ask the media why they are hyping this aspect of things so early in this crisis. I don't recall them ever doing that after the tsunami. And I do remember how bad the reporting on Katrina was.

      •  Look at it this way (5+ / 0-)

        Keith has had a really rough year, and lately things appear to have gotten worse.

        On his baseball blog, he said he had to start taking steroid eye drops a couple of days ago, which I would assume means he's not feeling well.  His father is still in the hospital, and what does he see here (and at his baseball blog)?

        This kind of stuff. He gets hammered all the time, and by now he's got to be feeling like a human punching bag, between the stuff going on in his life and all of the harassment here.

        And then so many here keep talking about how wonderful Rachel Maddow is, and half of those who do so slam Keith at the same time.

        This man has been to hell and back.  He has had death threats, people shouting at him from outside his home, fake anthrax sent to him, and he's had to watch as much of Daily Kos turned on him.  Not to mention losing his mother, and seeing his father go through agony.

        What has he done to deserve that?  Not a damned thing.

        And for those who like Rachel Maddow or Ed Schultz, you might do well to remember who it was that made it possible for them to come to MSNBC.

        Yeah, I stick up for him, damn it.  I will always stick up for those I respect and appreciate, and he's in that group.  He's been there for us since the early days of the Bush administration, and stood up to them.  Hell, he helped me maintain my sanity back then, and his show gives me a lift every night because I know I'm going to get the truth, brought to me by someone who actually cares about that.  He has a great deal of compassion, and it shows.

        So I think we can cut him a break now and then.

        I have to say... coming here in the middle of the night when you're already tired and seeing this... it had to hurt.  He's human, people.  Don't ever forget that.

    •  Keith Olbermann thinks that I am a troll. (5+ / 0-)

      I can hardly wait to show my husband and kids since we are all regular viewers of yours.

      It's good to see you participating here, and I'm glad that you are concerned with feedback from viewers.

      If you were a real regular around here you would know how to check comments and know that I am a trusted user and one of the oldtimers on Black Kos.

      Maybe that is another conclusion that you were too hasty about making last night.

      I am not accusing you as an individual of being a racist. But your network is affected by the structural racism that we all live with in this society of ours. You couldn't help but be affected growing up here yourself.

      Instead of being absolutely positive that you are correct in this situation you might consider that white privilege colors your view of things.

      There were serious mistakes made in the reporting on Katrina and that was a lot easier to cover geographically speaking than Haiti is.

    •  you are wrong about blindyone (3+ / 0-)

      I have had conversations with blindy for quite some time and he is not a troll.  Check out BlackKos sometime if you want to get to know blindy and a lot of other Kos greats that you may not have discovered.

      We all have the same ideals ... the same goals. It's our road maps that differ.

      by KentuckyKat on Fri Jan 15, 2010 at 08:22:54 AM PST

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    •  Investigative Reporting at its Finest! (2+ / 0-)
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      Dang, blindy -- I've been reading great posts from you for a long time! Why didn't you tell me you were a troll?? I had no idea!

      You sure had me fooled. I never saw anything remotely trollish from you.

      Silly me...

      It is always to be taken for granted, that those who oppose an equality of rights never mean the exclusion should take place on themselves. -- Thomas Paine

      by teachme2night on Fri Jan 15, 2010 at 12:08:48 PM PST

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    •  Sorry KO - you are dead wrong about (4+ / 0-)

      Blindyone.  She is a highly respected member of the Black Kos community here at DKos, as well as others.

      Before you leap to calling people trolls, learn how to use the search function.

      A little criticism should go a long way.  After an extensive review of your competitors on CNN, who  started harping every five minutes about "incipient violence" in Haiti...using the "looting" word over and over again, I turned off the television.

      If you, or any of us were faced with thirst or hunger, you bet your bottom dollar you'd be foraging in smashed buildings for blankets, food, shoes or whatever.

      Not one of us in Black Kos can stomach Russ Gasbag or Pat buchanan Robertson.

      But methinks you owe Sister Blindy an apology.

      "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition" Bernice Johnson Reagon

      by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Jan 15, 2010 at 01:41:07 PM PST

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  •  Here's CNN/Gupta on "gunshots heard". (3+ / 0-)
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    Gunshots in Port-Au-Prince 3:47

    Scroll down to Sanjay's video clip entitled "Gunshots in Port-Au-Prince"

    I wasn't able to embed it.

  •  Anyone who would write this (5+ / 0-)

    has no idea of how desperate the "ordinary" situation in Haiti is on a daily basis. A Haitian friend of ours is usually terrified when he visits Haiti lest he look too prosperous and invite a beating and a robbery as he leaves the airport.

    Anyone with a brain has to know that the lack of food and water and medical care is going to become very much more serious very soon, that the civil system is entirely broken down, and the long-suffering Haitian people are being stressed as we cannot imagine.

    Keith, thanks for all you and Rachel do to try to get reality into some very, very thick heads.

  •  After any natural disaster it is proper to ask (3+ / 0-)
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    about any violence breaking out. In desperate situations people do desperate things. People get impatient when help doesn't arrive. Keith asked all the right questions.

    The breakdown of law and order is expected if help has not arrived and there are dead bodies lining the streets and hospitals have collapsed. In such situations reporters have to ask the tough questions even if they may seem inappropriate to some.

    "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." George Washington

    by Probus on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 11:26:12 PM PST

    •  I Guess (3+ / 0-)
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      That's why I missed the hundreds of stories speculating about potential violence after Banda Aceh, or the quakes in China.  Since of course it's proper to be concerned about that, according to your thesis?

      If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

      by shanikka on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:29:14 AM PST

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      •  Or the Italian earthquake last year n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm darker than a paper bag so i'm unelectable to Harry Reid.

        by Adept2u on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:37:28 AM PST

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        •  Yup (4+ / 0-)
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          Obviously, you and just skipped all the news and missed the "proper" stories about the risk of violence.

          Or it could be, as you and I know it is, that New Orleans and Haiti share a common characteristic that was not shared by the people affected by the Banda Aceh, China or Italian quake disasters.

          The depressing thing is always that this is the type of subconscious racist stuff we have to put up with from our ALLIES - and that they will go to the mat arguing "it ain't so" rather than accept that for all of us, we have been programmed for hundreds of years to fear the spectre of "Black violence" in this country.

          Makes me wanna holler, I swear 'fore God.

          If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

          by shanikka on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 05:41:01 AM PST

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          •  I don't even know who the diarist is (3+ / 0-)
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            but he and I and you and Adept and several others here noticed that but we aren't supposed to mention it.

          •  This was not about race. I don't think Keith (0+ / 0-)

            or Brian Williams or any reporter would play the race card when they cover such horrific stories. When you have 100,000 dead many of whose bodies are lining the streets. When supplies don't reach the victims on time people get desperate. The entire city of Port-au-Prince is decimated.

            In such a situation I would expect the survivors to get impatient for food and water. Even CNN is reporting hearing gun fire as did Keith. But Keith was careful enough to make the point that the gun fire had no context.

            It is you who have brought up race. People get angry is such tragedies when they get no help. When hospitals, Parliament, the Presidential Palace, the UN building have all collapsed it is easy to see why people would get angry and impatient.

            "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." George Washington

            by Probus on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 06:43:14 PM PST

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            •  I Brought Up Race (1+ / 0-)
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              Because racists often don't even realize that their thinking is grounded in race.  Just because it is subconscious doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  Indeed, it is precisely when it is subconscious that it is MOST important to call it out for what it is.  Sorry you don't see it that way.

              If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

              by shanikka on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 06:10:40 AM PST

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              •  P.S. (1+ / 0-)
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                And before you go off, I need to reiterate in case you don't know my views from my previous writings, we are ALL racists if were born and raised in this country and have not undertaken the lifetime of work necessary to overcome not just the white sheet wearing part of it, but the subconscious assumptions about Black criminality part of it too.  You, me, and yes, even Keith Olbermann are all victims of it, and affected by it, and it is nothing more than refusal to be brutally honest with ourselves that says differently.  Given our now 40+ year social compact that there are no racists except those that call names and wear white sheets, (a compact designed to hide racism while not actually doing anything about it) it's more important than ever to speak of these things.  We are now culturally at the hard work part of unlearning racism and only someone who really doesn't care about the matter would get their panties in a knot over someone pointing out the possibility that subconsciously, our learned cultural narratives are impacting what they deem important.  

                If you don't stand for something, you will go for anything. Visit Maat's Feather

                by shanikka on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 06:14:40 AM PST

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              •  How about "accidental"? (0+ / 0-)

                I know what you're saying about being a subconscious racist, but I think it might be more helpful to use less heavy terms. I don't know what it's like to be on the receiving end of racism, because I'm blond/gray with green eyes.  It's kinda hard to be any more white than I am.  But I do know something about noticing little moments when I found myself being what I call "accidentally racist". There was nothing bad in my heart, it was just how my eyes saw something, or how my ears heard something. To me, that's way different than being hateful or thinking I'm better than somebody else.  It was an honest-to-God accident, I didn't mean it. And I didn't enjoy noticing it about myself either, because it didn't fit with who I think I am. In my own personal subjective movie, it happened to me.

                In the stories we see on TV (in general, I am not aiming this at Keith), I see it in a few ways. If this crisis was about white suburbanites, I don't think they'd be talking about "looting". I think they'd be talking about folks trying to "salvage food and water from stores destroyed by the earthquake".  I also don't think there'd be as much concern about people scaling the fences and rioting either. As best I can tell, the Haitians have been doing a great job of not going nuts. After a hurricane once, I  spent 9 days in 95 degree heat with no electricity, and after 9 days of that I was about ready to shoot somebody for no good reason, just from being worn out and miserable. I'm not so sure that I'd be doing as well as the Haitians are if all that terrible crap happened to me and I had no water or food. So, all in all, I think they're doing great. But I keep expecting the TV-people to start talking about the darkies getting out of hand. Now, they wouldn't say "darkies", but that's just about what it comes down to, if you ask me.

                But when you call people racist, and tell them they're doing it subconsciously, I think that makes it harder for them to hear what you're saying. Assuming that we're talking about folks who don't have a hateful heart about it, you're asking them to buy two unpleasant ideas about themselves. Not only are you saying they racists, but you're also telling them that they have subconscious issues too, like they're not in control of their own selves. So, while the point is the same, I think it works better to refer to it as "accidental racism", that it's something that happens to them, instead of calling them "subconscious racists" as if that's what's in their heart and they're somehow lying to themselves about how they're not mean and hateful. I think it's easier for them to hear it that way, and I think they gotta be able to hear it first before they can do much about it.

      •  The question is appropriate which is why Keith (0+ / 0-)

        asked it and the 4 NBC reporters answered it based on what they saw. They told the truth. They had not seen any rioting.

        "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." George Washington

        by Probus on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 06:31:01 PM PST

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  •  I wasn't bothered by that part (0+ / 0-)

    but I thought it was a little weird when you were asking people how many casualities there would be.  There is no way to even begin to know, and any answer other than "way too many"  is simply pulling a number from one's hat.  Useless.

    The party of No is well on their way to becoming the party of nobody. Alan Grayson

    by Leftleaner on Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 11:30:54 PM PST

  •  Virtually unreadable (1+ / 0-)
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    I haven't got the time to ponder through crap like this.

  •  What's your point in this aimless diary ? (0+ / 0-)

    Every one is trying to help out weather through a full coverage, a live report, or donations etc. So it was better of you in order to relief your anger on Mother Nature by doing something more productive than writing this diary in which you are to trying to attack someone out of your frustration and desperation for no reason or actual facts.

    "Cherish your visions and your dreams as they are the children of your soul, the blueprints of your ultimate accomplishments." - Napoleon Hill

    by dibsa on Thu Jan 14, 2010 at 06:07:48 AM PST

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