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    Before the circular firing squad slash blame game begins, let's get this straight right the fuck now.

    Former DNC Chair Howard Dean told Rachel Maddow on MSNBC moments ago that Democrats aren't necessarily to blame for what seems like a likely loss in today's special senate election in Massachusetts.

    "I certainly don't think it's a referendum on President Obama," Dean said.


    "This is not the time for pointing the blame."

    People who blame others are losers. If you want to win elections, you stop blaming and get to work.

    So let's get this straight, Coakley lost, she lost for reasons all of her own. I am not really interested in the blame game. I am interested in learning from this experience so that Progressives don't make the same mistakes the next time.

    Anyone who is interested in winning elections is more than welcome to join me below the fold.

    In my humble opinion, there is one major part of the election process that Progressives MUST be more aggressive on.

#1.     GOTV - Get Out The Vote efforts MUST begin early in statewide campaigns. I did not see a strong GOTV effort from the Coakley campaign, or from the Deeds and Corzine campaigns last year. Democrats and Progressives who are serious about winning elections must make a stronger effort in this regard if we are serious about winning elections.

    Now, we can play the blame game and have a big ole pie fight about why Coakley lost this election, or we can start putting our collective heads together about how we can avoid mistakes like those made in the Coakley and Deeds campaigns. We can work together or fight each other, but if we fight each other and play the blame game the only people we will be helping out is the GOP.

    I have no time for playing the blame game. I have no time to waste fighting other Democratic activists and Progressives. The stakes are too high and there are bigger fish to fry. We lost tonight. Suck it up, move on, and get over it. Tomorrow is another day and we will have another fight on our hands. The choice is yours, do we fight with each other or alongside each other?

    Well, I choose to fight alongside Progressives against the party of Bush, Beck and NO!

    This is WAR, and I am ready to fight. How about you?

Crossposted at The Progressive and

Originally posted to MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:40 PM PST.


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  •  Tips for Dr. Dean (288+ / 0-)
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    I'll be taking his advice over everyone else's on this matter, and many others, and I suggest that other Progressives and Democrats do the same.

    "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

    by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:40:34 PM PST

  •  Only losers don't play the blame game. (0+ / 0-)

    Or something.

    •  Don't get me wrong, we SHOULD blame the GOP (22+ / 0-)

      for their record. If we let them run away from their record, we own it.

      BUT we should NOT spend time and energy blaming and fighting each other, not when that energy is much better spent beating up the GOP ( and they deserve a good electoral beating considering their track record )

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:45:56 PM PST

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      •  How come we never even put up our dukes (11+ / 0-)

        when it comes to he GOP then.

        It's all talkie no walkie.

        •  Too many Dems are beholden to the same special (7+ / 0-)


          We need to figure that out if we want BETTER and not just more of the same

          "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

          by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:31:18 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  It's the perennial problem of civilization. (1+ / 0-)
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          The more advanced our values, the harder it is to face conflict. It just feels wrong to demonize our opponents, no matter how demonically they behave; we prefer to conciliate, to compromise, to look for nuance. These are good things, but it isn't always clear how to win with them.
          Negative campaigns usually favor the GOP because they are more comfortable with anger than we are; they go out and vote their anger whereas we tend to stay home and go fetal.
          The trick is to manage the issues, find a way to use anger constructively instead of denying it. Look positive while sticking it to the barbarians. That's what works.
          Grayson in '16!

          When civilizations clash, barbarism wins.

          by Allogenes on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:45:21 AM PST

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      •  Dean would be the first to agree (11+ / 0-)

        There was never a more fearless Democratic spokesman than Howard Dean when it came to calling the Bush cabal out on their lies and devastating policies.

      •  This isn't a boxing match (2+ / 0-)
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        Hannibal, Dagoril

        the problem with "beating" the GOP is that right now people are wondering why the Democrats aren't making things better for them...if Obama hadn't raised expectations so high, maybe people wouldn't expect so much.

        Actually, I think the big problem is that Obama has done great for the elite...the upper-middle class as well as the the stock market has made an incredible recovery since the depths of last spring. The people are looking out and seeing how those with stock portfolios are sitting pretty while the rest of us are told to wait a few years for jobs to come's what people would expect a competent Republican to do, not what we expect a Democrat to do when unemployment is over 10% and people are hurting.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:41:26 AM PST

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        •  Ordinary Folk (0+ / 0-)

          The ordinary, middle class people I work with who aren't very political are wondering what the hell is the matter with the Dems. They have a supermajority, yet are still unable to get anything done that benefits ordinary people. They can give away lots of tax money to corporations, but can't get grandma a hip-replacement.

          It doesn't really matter if "Republicans are worse!", or "Palin would have been awful!", or if "McCain wanted more wars!". Democrats are painting themselves as unable to govern. And no ordinary person is going to vote for that. They'll try their luck with the other party.

          Now if Obama would actually start fighting some of the fights that benefit ordinary people...instead of trying to be all bipartisany...that would make a difference. Attempting to fulfill some of those campaign promises he know, instead of tacking so far to the right he's falling off the map...that would help too.

          Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either.

      •  some people have become distracted going (0+ / 0-)

        after the President and Democrats and forgot the real enemy, the real problem are the Republicans who do nothing at all but say NO and the racist, hatemongering, fearmongering Tea Baggers.

        •  I soooooo disagree (2+ / 0-)
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          adigal, Dagoril

          We knew going in that the rethugs would do everything in their power to thwart President Obama.  I have to say, nothing the rethugs or their backers have said or done over the last year has surprised me, (except for Robertson's and Limb-Ball's Haiti Hate).  They have done exactly what I expected them to do.

          What has surprised me and shocked the shit out of me is what the Dems have done, or not done.  DADT, still there.  How many troops do we still have ion Iraq and Afghanistan?  Gitmo?  Got mo!  Back room deals with big PHARMA.  Large lump sums of cash thrown at bankers while millions of Americans lost their jobs, houses or both.  Stupak.  Nelson. Landreiu(sp). Harry Fucking Reid.  RAHM!!!  Message?  Did somebody say something about a Democratic Message?

          No, the rethugs are not our biggest problem.  We cannot change them.  Sure, we can vote against them, but most of us do that already.  What we really need to do is attack the shit out of the DINO's in office and start working much harder to get Real Progressive Democrats in office!

          Raising Children: Long days and short years.

          by atmplant on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 08:24:13 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You are right...clean your own side of the street (0+ / 0-)

            We cannot control what Republicans do or don't do, or the latest craziness - but Dems CAN control what they do. I hope they don't see this election as an excuse to be even bigger corporate whores!

            My new bumper sticker: Palin-Satan '12

            by adigal on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 08:42:57 AM PST

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  •  I'm only tipping and rec'ing you (15+ / 0-)

    because I love ya. Not because I agree with you. :)

    You can follow me on Twitter, because that's what everybody else does.

    by Colorado is the Shiznit on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:43:17 PM PST

  •  I forwarded my concerns... (5+ / 0-) the people that needed to see them.

    It's time to go to work.

    LIVE, from an undisclosed Doom Shelter...

    by vcthree on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:43:33 PM PST

  •  Could not agree more. (6+ / 0-)

    Let's get to work!

    "Everybody lies... except POLITICIANS? House, I do believe you are a romantic."

    by indiemcemopants on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:43:34 PM PST

  •  Now is the time... (16+ / 0-)

    to call your senator and say, "Here is what you have to do to have my continued support.  I will be watching you...don't be the next Coakley."

  •  This is the time for blame (2+ / 0-)
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    CWalter, Liberal Mole

    It is Obama's fault.

    It is Reid's fault.

    It is Coakley's fault.

    It is the fault of the moronic Massachusetts State Democratic party.

    It is the fault of the moronic Massachusetts independents who have the brains of four year olds.

    NOW we can get to work realizing that

    Obama is incompetent.

    Reid is incompetent.

    The Massachusetts state democratic party is incompetent.

    Independents are children who have to be pampered and dealt with and fed pablum on a regular basis so their tiny minds can comprehend it.

    Deal with reality as it is.

    •  Excuse me. (2+ / 0-)
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      boofdah, lazybum

      I represent your remark.

      "Children who need to be pampered and dealt with"?

      You could just ask me.  I'm right fucking here.

      LIVE, from an undisclosed Doom Shelter...

      by vcthree on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:47:59 PM PST

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    •  "Go pout in your corner." (2+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, pstoller78

      That's what Howard Dean would say to you.

      And they drink 'til their eyes are red with hate for those of a different kind. -Richard Thompson

      by lazybum on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:48:28 PM PST

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      •  I'm not pouting (3+ / 0-)
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        edrie, blueoasis, thethinveil

        I'm continuing to work with reality as it is.

        I'm more than willing to work with the competent, and even the utterly incompetent when the alternative is the demonic.

        That doesn't mean you forget that they are incompetents.

        Expect little from them.  Its less emotionally disturbing.

    •  We are going to run on Obama is incompetent? (9+ / 0-)

      How is that supposed to keep the GOP out of power?

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:50:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  'going to run' (2+ / 0-)
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        CWalter, thethinveil

        Are you under the impression that you can control the message at a national level?

        I'm not.

        I'll donate to any commercial and organization that has a message that will resonate...but I know I can't control whether or not the public sees Obama as impotent and incompetent.

        If I had power, of course that is not the strategy I would choose.

        That does not change the fact that it is the truth and that if you are wise you invest only the resources you must in anything he advocates....wait for people who actually BELIEVE in change to recommend it or advocate it too.

        Like Howard Dean.

      •  And most of the public does NOT see Obama (12+ / 0-)

        as incompetent.  His approval ratings are higher than either Clinton's or Reagan's at this point in their first term.  Do you really think in 2012 any voter will be thinking of this election?  I doubt it.

        •  Not the election (0+ / 0-)

          But if nothing changes in the democrats strategy the results will be the same. They will LOSE.

          They ignore this at their peril. If they are so entrenched and in bed with the corporatist fucks that they can't change then fuck them. I won't vote for them.

          •  great attitude and you must be a psychic sali (0+ / 0-)

            Yes there are some who overestimate Obama's support but there are many more who underestimate it.

            I talked to a lot of voters in MA who love Obama but were turned off by Coakley and the Senate Democrats. I talk to a lot of Independents who like Obama and they fully support him but they do not like most other Democrats.

      •  Obama is not incompetent but he has to be much (3+ / 0-)
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        wishingwell, on2them, Liberal Mole

        more aggressive about the progressive agenda. And that means that he can't defer to Congress to the extent that he has - the sense that he is incompetent and not on the side of the average person stems almost entirely from the strategy of deferring to Congress and participating in deals with a small group of corrupt "moderates." He needs to stake out clear-cut positions and stick to them.

        •  He Needs to be the Fierce Advocate of the People (0+ / 0-)

          And tell those Conservadems he will support their primary challenger if they don't start voting progressive.  70% of the Public would like to see Medicare openned to everyone, and Democrats can't get it done?

        •  Oh, stop! (1+ / 0-)
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          Can we PLEASE just lose this "progressive" shit? This is the rich against the not-rich, period. If we want to recapture all those working-class votes that went to this putz Scott Brown, our electeds need to start working for the not-rich -- and against the rich -- in ways that are obvious and palpable to the lowest-information voter.

          These labels, progressive, moderate, independent, "netroots," become more meaningless every day, and people are wasting their time by defining things in terms of labels, and worse yet, by identifying with them. They are no magic shorthand. They are millstones around our necks. The next time I hear "as a progressive," I'll puke.

          Voters don't want labels. They want results. Elections alone are not results. "Framing" is not a result. Policy changes that benefit the not-rich -- yes, at the expense of the rich -- are results.

          "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

          by Ivan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:39:28 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  it is the fault of the ALL of us who did not (0+ / 0-)

      campaign hard enough and long enough and loud enough to get the message across!

      we failed.  each and every one of us on this side of the fence.

      we failed because we allowed the lies and distortions to go unanswered.

      we failed because we spent more time criticizing our own party members instead of directing that anger toward those who are obstructing and blocking change.

      we failed because we have unrealistic expectations of what can be accomplished and how quickly.

      we failed because we are too easily distracted from what the real goal is and what that long term goal will need to be realized.

      we have no one to blame for this loss but ourselves.  

      WE let this slip through our fingers.

      we did not do our jobs.

      if we had, there would not be a republican in that seat.

      WE were too arrogant, obsessed with our own "litmus tests" that had to be met.

      WE forgot that to be able to evoke change, we MUST retain the majority by what ever and whom ever is necessary.

      we ALL are to blame and, sadly, we ALL are the losers.  this IS about democrats and republicans.  it IS about numbers.  if we don't learn this lesson quickly, any hope for change is dead on arrival.

      we are the future. no one else. WE are the ones who make change happen in every little detail we do. make it count. we only get one go-round.

      by edrie on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 12:23:42 AM PST

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      •  No (0+ / 0-)

        Those we elected failed to do what they promised.

        Everything else falls from that.

        The usual response when I say that from the dems are always right crowd is to "grow up" this is how the game is played.

        Well guess what? It looks like a hell of a lot of past dem voters aren't going to support those who play that game.

        Change or get the fuck out!

        •  congratulations. (0+ / 0-)

          don't support dems.

          and what, praytell, will be your alternative?

          now YOU change of get the f*ck out of my way!

          we are the future. no one else. WE are the ones who make change happen in every little detail we do. make it count. we only get one go-round.

          by edrie on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 09:50:09 AM PST

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  •  We all were distracted (14+ / 0-)

    by policy issue infighting.

    Our eyes need to stay on the ball.

  •  I heard him say that and he reminded me (3+ / 0-)
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    Mlle Orignalmale, rsmpdx, alpolitics

    of Dr. Wayne Dyer who said:

    "All blame is a waste of time. No matter how much fault you find with another, and regardless of how much you blame him, it will not change you. The only thing blame does is to keep the focus off you when you are looking for external reasons to explain your unhappiness or frustration. You may succeed in making another feel guilty about something by blaming him, but you won't succeed in changing whatever it is about you that is making you unhappy."

  •  Finger pointing has no meaning, but deriving (7+ / 0-)

    the right lessons from this shattering loss is crucial--in one word: the independents deserted the democratic party and this is the 3rd election in which the independents voted for the GOP (VA, NJ, and now MA). This started to be a trend.

    Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB election

    by Mutual Assured Destruction on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:50:59 PM PST

    •  If You Do Not Build It, They Will Not Come (8+ / 0-)

      I make and sell things for my living.

      If my customers were always wrong, or if my word-of-mouth network were bad sales people, I wouldn't be here blogging I'd be leaving my under-bridge bed every day panhandling.

      This isn't the customers' fault and it's not the viral network's fault.

      It's corporate's fault.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:04:49 PM PST

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    •  So how do we win back the independants (0+ / 0-)

      that might be the 64,000 dollar question.

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:38:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well those Independents who are not the Lou Dobbs (0+ / 0-)

        followers and who left the Republicans for being too soft on immigration and not conservative enough. We cannot forget that Independents are often Teabaggers who are quite racist and think the Republicans are too moderate.  There is that Lou Dobbs faction as his listeners would call and email and say they did as Lou suggested and switched from R to I.

        I know a friend who went to a Teabagger party to get information and found a helluva lot of racist Independents as well as Republicans.

  •  When my car breaks down.... I get it fixed (11+ / 0-)

    To fix it right, I need to get a diagnostic, and turn my car over to a competent mechanic who understands what to do and has the skills to do it.

    I'd take my Democratic Party, lurching and blowing oil to Dr. Dean's repair shop.

    Blaming is not the answer, neither is stalling out on bad spark plugs with a big race coming up.  

    If cats could blog.... they wouldn't.

    by crystal eyes on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:52:15 PM PST

  •  I say (4+ / 0-)
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    liberte, CWalter, blueoasis, swampus

    we give the blame game - a 48 hour pass.

    I like a little blame.

    Can you blame me?

  •  I think there's plenty of blame to go around, (10+ / 0-)

    but I agree with Dean - we can spend time blaming or we can spend it accomplishing things.

    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies. -- Groucho Marx

    by LeanneB on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:54:25 PM PST

  •  He still sounds like (7+ / 0-)

    the head of DNC.  He was a natural for the job.

  •  I've been around this block (10+ / 0-)

    more than a few elections.  Set backs happen.  You learn your lessons, lick your wounds and move on.  Progressively.  It sucks, but so does Lieberman.  I'm looking toward November already.

    respice adspice prospice

    by Steven Payne on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 08:57:01 PM PST

  •  as i just posted at the left coaster: (33+ / 0-)

    There will be much to say about the loss of the Massachusetts Senate seat, but the first lesson is the most obvious one: if you want to win a campaign, campaign like you want to win.

    Martha Coakley followed the Ned Lamont model, by essentially disappearing after winning the primary. Given that Massachusetts borders Connecticut, you'd have thought she would have learned. She didn't. And even a late push by the party's big guns couldn't save her.

    Lamont gave Lieberman the time and space to get back on his feet and regain the initiative. Coakley gave Brown an opportunity he never should have had. She didn't deserve to win this Senate seat. But we didn't deserve to lose it.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:01:06 PM PST

  •  And to cap off a spectaculary shitty day... (8+ / 0-)

    ...a wrap ad appears.

    In the immortal words of Dan Dierdorf, "Lord, you can take me now; I've seen it all!".

    LIVE, from an undisclosed Doom Shelter...

    by vcthree on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:02:11 PM PST

  •  I blame Howard Dean nt (2+ / 0-)
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    Buckeye BattleCry, Gooserock

    "99% of the battles and skirmishes that we fought in Afghanistan were won by our side." ~ Marshall Akhromeyev

    by ActivistGuy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:02:59 PM PST

  •  You didn't put his quote in full context (2+ / 0-)
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    He said people are pissed that the HCR bill is NOT the change they voted for.
  •  When the vehicle is headed over the cliff (2+ / 0-)
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    adigal, blueoasis
    It just might be time to change direction.
  •  well, we got us a governor's race here in (4+ / 0-)
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    Terri, ZappoDave, Pam from Calif, henna218
    utah, i kid you not. so i'm game. this race at the top

    "For the cost of deploying one soldier for one year, it is possible to build about 20 schools." N. Kristof

    by UTvoter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:10:24 PM PST

  •  unfortunately (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, MinistryOfTruth

    Nightline is reporting that this election was a referendum on President Obama.

    Can't see how, though, since his approval number in MA is 60%....

    "Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle." -Helen Keller

    by ridemybike on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:11:11 PM PST

  •  Ah hum...hasn't Dean repeatedly blamed Repubs? (4+ / 0-)
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    CWalter, blueoasis, on2them, jethrock
    I believe Dean has repeatedly blamed GOP peeps for being I wrong?  

    He's putting on a good face.  Love that man.

    But blame is required here.  We should own it.  Our Democratic leaders, especially Obama, cannot lead.  Period.

    I'm not giving up.  I'll fight on and try to elect a better leader and better representatives in the future, but a spades a spade.  I've just waited for one year now to see any sort of real fight out of Obama and our leaders and...nothin!

  •  Well, yes and no (6+ / 0-)

    Blaming others for your failures is one thing. Pointing out there are problems within your own party that need to be fixed ASAP is another. Right now, as the dust is settling, I think we're seeing a bit of both up there in MA, and we're just going to have to be adults about this in discerning what's legit criticism and what is just whining.

    -8.50, -7.64 "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was within me an invincible summer." - Camus

    by croyal on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:16:18 PM PST

  •  Good psychological medicine from the Doctor (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Well, except that cuts both ways (4+ / 0-)

    People who blame others are losers. If you want to win elections, you stop blaming and get to work.

    That also means don't blame Coakley as a convenient scape goat. As I've said elsewhere, Coakley's campaign was too weak - but it was too weak against a flesh flood of anti-establishment frustration from the left, right, and even the center. To master the very difficult midterm elections in November, we need to analyze and understand the circumstances that were at work in MA - I don't think the Good Doctor would disagree with that.

    What I want to know is why the Democrats in Congress aren't standing up for us ... in providing health insurance for every man, woman and child in America.

    by brainwave on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:18:51 PM PST

  •  The poll results in this diary are disturbing. (4+ / 0-)

    Coakley lost an election she thought was hers.  Who do we blame.  Hell, I thought it was hers.  Now we know we can never take anything for granted.  No blame, just roll up our sleeves and work harder.  Support your local dems and in 2010 any way you can.  After hearing of this loss, I singed up to work for Barbara Boxer and sent her a few bucks.  Sure, she's ahead in the polls but she's not taking anything for granted.

    "Politics is not left, right or center ... It's about improving people's lives." -Paul Wellstone

    by maggiejean on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:18:59 PM PST

  •  And we were "losers" tonight therefore (2+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, JesseCW

    we are placing blame.

  •  I Suggest We Quit Blaming and Try To Begin The (4+ / 0-)

    crisis calls and campaigning 5 days before the voters will vote instead of just 3 days next time.  

    This way we can incrementally determine what are the optimum days to begin the campaign crisis mode before the election.  If 5 doesn't work next time and the election is lost, we can move it 7 days.  If we begin now, we could possibly win one election before the big 2012 election and we would have honed our strategy.  

  •  This race is a symptom of Democratic self-love (6+ / 0-)

    Democrats are such better people than those mean republicans they should win all the elections even though they cannot agree on the 100 year old problem of universal healthcare.  Complacent lazy assholes, most of whom are going to skitter the wrong way.  Maybe the folks in Massachusetts would have mor elikely voted for Coakley if the Speaker and the Majority Leader had come to Massachusetts and said we delivered a strong health care bill that will lower the costs of healht care on the US economy while expanding cove3rage to everyone.  Nope they couldn't say that.  So what kind of a national shotting star could Coakley tie herself to so that even if she was a so-so candidate the president would get a win.

    There has been little leadership and momentum in Washington.  Voters are looking for both.

  •  Here is the big stick to carry behind your back: (4+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, chumley, lazybum, thethinveil

    Who WE SHOULD blame, higher level and I add that the media is owned by only 5 or 6 Conservative voters which amplifies the anti-Dem voice and silences ours. They are definitely conspiring to block Democratic success and to take the oxygen out of the air the minute we do anything good.

    Posted elsewhere on DKos Monday, I copy and paste:

    We could place the blame where it belongs and get mad at the Republicans - including Scott Brown.

    If it weren't for their opposition to anything even suggested by a Democrat, along with their support for any entity that wants to separate the voter from what is in piggy bank, we wouldn't be in this horrible mess.

    The Cheney trolls have done a good job of convincing people that they had nothing to do with the economy collapsing, nothing to do with the bank bailouts, nothing to do with the deficits, nothing to do with 9/11, nothing to do with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and nothing to do with the sorry state of the government agencies they gutted and prevented from doing the very tasks they were created to perform.

    In reality, they ARE the party of nothing, just not the sort of nothing they're selling.

    No ideas, no accountability, no job creation, no wage increases, no victory overseas,no limits on spending, and no enhanced safety even though we now have no civil rights.

    If there is anything to be truly mad at the Dems for, it is for not calling the lying, cheating thieves what they are and laying the blame where it belongs - on the GOP's doorstep (at least they stole enough to still have a doorstep).

    The day that Matalin and Giuliani started selling that Bush wasn't there for 9/11, or the bailout, and saved the economy should have been the wake-up call for all Democratic politicians.  You don't take the high road when they're jumping on your nads!

    You're right.  To think that a Brown victory would do anything other than stall any hope of achieving the progressive vision that we elected them to accomplish would take way more medication than I've ever seen anyone survive.

    Wake UP Mass!  Voting for Brown is NOT CHANGE!!  It is a return to the very policies that JUST CREATED THIS TRAIN WRECK!!!!

    Nobody's memory can be that short, can it?

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."


    by Bcre8ve on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:17:06 PM PST

    Media Reform Action Link

    by LNK on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:23:10 PM PST

  •  MinistryofHypocrisy, You Mean. (1+ / 0-)
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    So let's get this straight, Coakley lost, she lost for reasons all of her own. I am not really interested in the blame game.

    Congratulations.  You just played the blame game.

    As a result, your handle seems awfully fitting...of Orwellian double speak.  I might suggest you change it to MinistryOfHypocrisy, but now that I think of it, MinistryOfTruth is awfully fitting..for its irony alone.

    •  Wow, you caught me (4+ / 0-)
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      Pondite, Schwede, triv33, lazybum

      I chose an Orwellian screen name to point out hypocricy, and being short of perfect ( I know, I know) sometimes I say things that aren't 100% pure silk. You got me.

      No how does that help us tomorrow?

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:33:57 PM PST

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  •  The bottom line (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Onomastic

    is that Massachusetts voters chose Brown. They, and we, are going to have to live with the consequences of that choice. They are responsible.

    An inclusive perspective for a changing world: Spiritual Persistence

    by sunflight on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:23:45 PM PST

  •  Ready to fight? (4+ / 0-)

    Is You're Fuckin-A Right I Am! .. a reasonable enough response?

    I have waay to much of my life and love invested in hoping this country succeeds for all of her citizens to let it go to hell in a handbasket teabag without kicking ass and taking names.

    Jesus Christ. Since Global Climate Change is a myth according to these chattering monkeys and their owners - It's probably not just the country that we're fighting for.

    Oh yeah, before I forget.. "Hey, Pat Robertson! Go fuck yourself."

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:27:23 PM PST

  •  Well... (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, Onomastic

    It would have been great if Martha Coakley gave her concession speech wearing a throwback 1978 Red Sox jersey, said she was leaving her husband for Bucky Dent and then flipped off the crowd and said she is moving to NYC.

    I worked my ass off and we lost. It sucks, but it ain't the end of the world, plus I can't seem to stop getting involved in these things it is like a freaking disease.

    I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist.

    by jbou on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:27:52 PM PST

  •  So MinistryOfTruth... I see you've been converted (2+ / 0-)
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    CWalter, blueoasis

    to the "do not criticize any Dems" crowd.

    So sad... I loved your diaries taking on the Conservadems.

    I'll miss those

  •  get to work? for who? (1+ / 0-)
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    For clueless clown people that can't grab their as with both hands?

    I'll get to work when I find someone to worth working for. Believe it or not I (and a lot of people like me) put my reputation (what piddly amount I had in the first place)on the line. I praised Obama and Democratic candidates up and down to people around here. And what do I get? Egg on my face!

    "be a loyal plastic robot boy in a world that doesn't care" - Frank Zappa

    by Unbozo on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:29:17 PM PST

    •  Right! Because it's all about YOU! (1+ / 0-)
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      How about going to work for your NEIGHBORS? What a concept! Then your reputation isn't tied up with some guy in Washington DC.

      Wipe the egg off your face and get back to work.

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:21:29 AM PST

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      •  No it isn't all about me, but (0+ / 0-)

        if you can't persuade people because they no longer take you seriously then all the work in the work in the world isn't going to improve things.

        Oh! and btw I have a sig line that you should read.

        "be a loyal plastic robot boy in a world that doesn't care" - Frank Zappa

        by Unbozo on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 09:54:21 AM PST

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  •  I think Mass is not as Blue as we thought (3+ / 0-)

    I think they were more of a Kennedy state, and EVERYONE assumed it was a secure blue state.

    Enough blame to go around, worth looking at to understand what happened, but this is what I think it comes down to.

    Dems took it for granted, same as New Hampshire in the presidential campaign.  And, that assumption started at the bottom with Coakley and went all the way to the top, with Obama who leads the Dem party.

  •  We do need to analyze. What went wrong, what (5+ / 0-)

    went right.

    Too bad Dean is too good a person to make it as far as he deserved to go in politics -- which would be all the way to the top.

    This health care system is a moral atrocity. Dr. Ralphdog

    by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:30:19 PM PST

  •  MOT, "lost for reasons all her own" (5+ / 0-)

    sure sounds like laying the blame somewhere.  And it's the party line right now.  It's certainly not so simple.

    "Peace cannot be achieved by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:30:48 PM PST

    •  I simply say that to state that I know she lost (4+ / 0-)

      and I am not interested in hashing out any of the blame that should be going to anyone else BUT Coakley, but I don't want to even get into that right now. She lost, we have to move on and get over it and go on to winning the next fight. Of course it's not that simple, nothing is, but I don't see how a big pie fight right now solves anything or helps anyone who isn't on the right.

      But I see what you are saying

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:36:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  She should never have been the candidate (2+ / 0-)
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      blueoasis, BigAlinWashSt

      Emily's list and Bill Clinton pushed her through the primary from what I can gather.  

      I voted for Nader in 2000. That's how I know progressive purity tests don't work.

      by VelvetElvis on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 12:16:22 AM PST

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    •  To me it sounds like (1+ / 0-)
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      'The buck stops here' when it comes to any candidate.

      Whether the candidate is too new, too blase, too nervous, too whatever, it ultimately comes down to them.  Did they assemble the right team, did they ask for help when they needed it (or hopefully before they needed it), did they engage the voters.

      You've got the voters you've got.  You can't get different ones, so it's up to you to find a way to get enough onboard.

      You've got the party machinery you've got - if you can't get them to work with you, you've got to overcome them.

      Yeah, we can say 'so and so didn't do enough for' the candidate.  But the candidate needs to figure out who is reliable, and not depend on 'so and so'.

      But given a loss, the next question is not 'who's to blame', but 'how do we avoid this next time?'  (And ya know, you'd think there would be an e-book by now around somewhere called 'How to Run a Successful Congressional Campaign - and How Not To'...)

      Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God. - Thomas Jefferson

      by Ezekial 23 20 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:25:48 AM PST

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  •  Perhaps (6+ / 0-)

    The progressives, the liberals, and the press who have questioned the President the last few months need to learn a lesson also.

    The liberal media and the liberal blogs spent most of the year damning the Democrats and the President, harping continually on a public option.

    They never considered any of the other reform in health care that would have mattered to people.

    They blasted Obama about Wall St. What did you expect the man to do? Not bail them out? Let the economy dive? He has no right telling the banks who and who cannot get a bonus - unless he nationalizes the banks, but that's bad. He can't make bankers feel a moral obligation to the middle class.

    He gets nothing but obstructions from the right and the left. The man is fighting not just the Party of No, but idiots in his own party.

    So the independents who a year ago were screaming about the Bush years and wanted change, have decided after a year, that change didn't come fast enough and elect to the Senate a man who has no intention of voting in their interests.

    That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever encountered. And the crazy teabaggers are now elevated to an acceptable political party.

    The media will be all over Obama now. So the man is getting hit on all fronts from everyone - except those who are realists and understood the realities with which he had to deal.

    We have squandered the smartest politician the Democrats will ever see.

    Barack Obama will not run again in 2012.

    Health care in this country will bankrupt us. No one will invest in green energy, so we'll be buying that from China.

    I am so disgusted with the inherent stupidity of people in this country.

    If anyone here has any hope of keeping the Democrats alive, they need to write their Senators and House members and force them to work together for health care reform.

    Other than that - it is obvious that democracy does not work. Not if you have one party who won't work with the other. And it doesn't work if you have voters who don't know who or why the hell they are voting for someone.

    I give up. As a pragmatist, it is so frustrating to see the extreme of each party making a mess of this country.

  •  Yes, let's put all the blame on Coakley (1+ / 0-)
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    And ignore the Presidential approval rating, the Congressional approval rating, dropping Democratic Party ID, the Dems miserable performance on the generic ballot test, the results of 2009's elections, etc etc etc.

    It's all Coakley's fault for being a crappy candidate!

    It's not Coakley that's in trouble, it's the Democratic Party. Ignoring this is PERILOUS.

    This diary is an emotional band aid that ignores the real problem. Delusional attitudes like this will lead to a bloodbath in 2010.

    •  Obama's AP rating in MA is over 60%. (3+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, chrswlf, No Looking Back

      Even some polling today showed this to be holding true.

      Ignoring the right wing noise machine that is corporate media is the perilous part of this equation: it's a major part of what changed the dynamics of this election in less than 2 weeks.

      Senator StapleNutz's wife works for CH5 TeeVee and has for decades. There was massive movement behind the scenes to assassinate Coakely's almost non-present charisma and elevate PornoBoy.

      Now, more than ever:
      'The work goes on, the cause endures' Ted Kennedy

      by shpilk on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:22:24 PM PST

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  •  Better Manager than Candidate (0+ / 0-)

    I think Dean's comments are wise and well taken. Too bad for the country that he lost control of himself in Iowa (the "I have a Scream" speech).

  •  It would be a lot easier to not look for blame (8+ / 0-)

    if anyone in the Democratic Leadership would take responsibility.

    I've yet to see that tonight, or back in November in NY (Mayor), VA, or NJ.

    So right here guys...

    It's all my fault. As a progressive I should have just STFU and never demanded a Public Option... or Healthcare Bill that wasn't just a giveaway to the very Insurance Companies it was supposed to reign in.

    I'm sorry everybody. I fucked up.

  •  Obama Needs Dean On His Staff. NOW. (6+ / 0-)

    I can't think of any single thing that Obama can do to show, through action, that he hears and understands what happened and truly intends to change course and be the leader we thought we elected than by bringing Dean into the White House as he should've been from the start.

    In my fantasy world Dean would replace Rahm as Chief of Staff -- which as a twofer would, I'd bet, give Obama at least 12 points in the polls alone -- and kick the asses of wobbly Demo-wusses like Wiener and Frank to keep health care moving and improve it in spite of the Repunks. Obama needs a real 'bad cop' that has the respect of the Democrats and the fear of the Republicans. Rahm doesn't do it. Dean does.

    As always, I stand with Dr. Dean. Obama needs to as well. Especially now, with his Presidency and HCR likely on the line.

  •  Not on Obama (3+ / 0-)

    no, but people may very well have voted against the POS senate bill being rushed through.  

    Folks still haven't gotten over Medicare part D.

    Sunshine on my shoulder...

    by pkbarbiedoll on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:39:56 PM PST

  •  Dr. Dean is so right (4+ / 0-)

    This election is not a referendum on the President.

    Buy that twisted pretzel turd mentality and you might as well be mesmerized by FOX "News," curl up in a whimpering fetal position, and surrender.

    It was an election. The better campaign won. Like they always do.

    Mercy. Coakley's campaign was awful. I could see that just trippin' through the "Internets" all the way from the West Coast. Did think it'd be closer though, and that she might have pulled it out since it was in Massachusetts.

    Oh yeah, before I forget.. "Hey, Pat Robertson! Go fuck yourself."

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:40:15 PM PST

  •  GOTV efforts are not enough. (5+ / 0-)

    All the cajoling, calling and begging in the world will never match the effectiveness of voters who are enthused and engaged by what the party has done.

    The crooks are leaving have left office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

    by BentLiberal on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:41:34 PM PST

    •  You are right, (1+ / 0-)
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      Actually, more GOTV was the Democratic Party leadership's answer for these outcomes for nearly three decades. Focus on a tactical game to ignore the blaring reality that there is a lack of motivation amongst the grassroots. Largely, feeling that not much was being accomplished by electing DLCers, even if they cannot put it into those words. Which, is why we had a grassroots progressive movement, because the leadership wasn't willing to stick their necks out. It is also why Obama ran the campaign he did. And with the mixed results of a legislature built and still hurting from the GOTV minded tactic as strategy Democrats got their ass handed to them, again.

      I hope leadership will take this as a lesson - either way, internal/external grassroots pressure will be needed for leadership to take the "risk" of delivering legislation that people actually want. We will not only have a better organization that can cajole leadership but we will have leadership we want to vote for - ie the best GOTV preparation there is.

      "What is the robbing of a Bank compared to the FOUNDING of a Bank?" Bertolt Brecht

      by thethinveil on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:09:50 PM PST

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  •  Blame, no. Responsibility, yes. (9+ / 0-)

    I'm not interested in blaming people, but I damn well want accountability. I think Menendez needs to resign as head of the DSCC, and Kaine has to get his shit together and show a battle plan for 2010 righteffingnow.

    I also think the leading voices in the netroots need to do an after-action report in how they've handled the last six-eight months. We were coordinated and pretty fucking bold in 2006 and we kept some of it in 2008. We have to get that back. We need to get behind people like Jennifer Brunner in Ohio as openly and aggressively as we supported Jon Tester and Jim Webb. Better Democrats in Congress are not going to happen just because Obama won the White House. It's time we started acting like we know that.

  •  It's constructive to understand . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    the causes of any defeat.  In this case though, the lessons seem pretty clear.  Bad overall electoral environment and a poor campaigner.

    At the national level it's probably best to air out the laundry in private.  

  •  I have the utmost respect for Dean (1+ / 0-)
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    but he obviously has yet to learn the time-honored tradition of the Democratic Circular Firing Squad.

    It's time to come together as a nation. To pass health insurance reform now-this year. - Barack Obama

    by rsmpdx on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:51:32 PM PST

  •  Dean is my hero. (2+ / 0-)
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    atmplant, littlebird33

    And it is silly to be putting blame on Obama or the Democrats' health bill (Mass. is quite progressive with health care), but I do not think it is silly to blame Coakley. If we want to win, we need to see what was done wrong (nearly everything), what was done right (I don't know), and then learn and gain from that.
    Coakley was a monumentally bad candidate, plain and simple.

    I can't give you a brain, but I can give you a diploma- Wizard of Oz; If you have half a brain you won't need a diploma- Frank Levey

    by weathercoins on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:53:38 PM PST

  •  Blame game is what R's do (0+ / 0-)

    When R's and teabaggers, or teabagging R's, for they are one and the same, point a finger at a scapegoat, all  point three at themselves.

    We won't go there.  But we will hold candidates accountable for their actions of lack thereof.  Dems cannot run lackluster and complacent campaigns and expect the Big Dogs like President Obama with a grueling schedule and global crises happening 24/7 and former President Clinton who is hard at work with relief efforts in Haiti, to do pep rallies to shore up a miserable campaign.

    The buck begins and stops with the candidate.

  •  Messaging (0+ / 0-)

    When you have a crap candidate, you gotta make people like crap.  Either that or make clear that the other guy is even worse crap.

    Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the causes of destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest... Gibbon

    by Dinclusin on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 09:55:58 PM PST

  •  interesting (4+ / 0-)

    I do not precisely agree because I think some short sighted and self destructive behavior by progressive needs to be called out.

    However I think that doing so is not nearly as important as the point Dean is making. Recced, though I think this will be largely ignored.

  •  yes and no (4+ / 0-)

    I am with you on not complaining not blaming and just resolving to work harder and win.  That said improved GOTV is not close to being the sole answer.

    Take the MA -- the Dem machine in MA has great GOTV.  Far better than the Republicans.  It probably was today.  But by the time GOTV started Dems had a candidate who hadn't inspired them, thus making GOTV exponentially harder.  Even great closers have trouble selling a load of crap.

  •  #2 Get Out The Message (1+ / 0-)
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    Back to #1

    No more being apologists for being liberal. Stick it to 'em. As in a good hot, fire poker.

    It's all about policy choices and how those actually meet folks in the lives they live every day. NO need to get into the differences in policy choices here.

    We have to brand the GOP's asses and their media flaks with ours every single day of the week.

    I want to start hearing a red hot sizzle outside of campaign time. If there is such a timeframe.

    A good writer is another government.

    by newlymintedjerseygirl on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:05:33 PM PST

  •  But then he also said (2+ / 0-)
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    KayCeSF, Sun dog

     "Yes," Dean flatly answered during an appearance on MSNBC when asked if the Obama administration was culpable for losing the public option.

    So which is it? I'm tired of placing most of the blame on the President when there are much bigger fish to fry, namely the obstructionist Rethugs and conservadems, the fickle public ("independents", I'm lookin at you ;)) and MSM that accuses the Dems for "partisanship" and "bickering" and trying to "ram things through" when they try and get something done, and the filibuster rule that does not honor majority rules.

    •  It's one thing to not place blame on who lost (3+ / 0-)
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      TracieLynn, blueoasis, thethinveil

      the seat in Massachusetts and another altogether when it comes to the HCR debacle.

      There are still quite a few Democrats (myself included) who see the HCR as nothing more than a big handout to big pharma and the insurance industry. (And as someone with an incurable pre-existing condition, I really, really wanted to like this bill).

      •  I don't think it is (0+ / 0-)

        In fact, I think a politician has much more control over their own campaign than they do over legislation that involves a bunch of legislators.

        Give the President a Senate that only needs 51 votes to pass a bill, or 60 Senators like the 50 something who would vote for a public option and expanded Medicare, or a few independent minded Republicans who would vote for the same and undercut the power of LIEberman and the conservadems he's covering for, and he would have a much better bill, I am sure of it.

  •  Don't you have to play (2+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, MinistryOfTruth

    the blame game to a certain extent to figure out what exactly went wrong?  As long as you're figuring out who is to blame so you don't repeat the problem, I think it can be constructive.  

    •  But if you don't have all the facts (1+ / 0-)
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      you don't necessarily know who is to blame. So many so sure they know what is going on behind the scenes, and have ample anonymous quotes to fuel their fire... frankly, I'm just tired of it.

      Howard is a great spokesman for the Dems, but he doesn't always practice what he preaches, and neither do we.

  •  Dean's comment would have been more (2+ / 0-)
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    effective had he not blamed George W. Bush a few questions earlier.

    "A vote against cloture is a vote for Die Quickly"

    by ThatsNotFunny on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:08:00 PM PST

  •  Pat Robertson blamed Martha's pact with the Devil (1+ / 0-)
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    Again... the foolishness.

    Everyone knows if she really made a deal with the devil... she would have won.

  •  If you want to see aggressive GOTV... (4+ / 0-)

    come pay us a visit in the 26th Legislative District in Washington State.

    We are the most swing district in the state. We have a few more Democrats than Republicans, but it's near 50/50 and the only way we beat the Republicans is to (1) outwork them, (2) outthink them, and (3) run far superior candidates to them. If we do not do all of these things, we lose. That's a large part of how we lost the open seat in 2008 to a Republican. (That, and our state legislator who had been in that seat, an excellent Democrat, decided to retire in April 2008 and sprung the news on us then.) But if you want to see an aggressive GOTV operation, come and visit us when the ballots drop. You'll see us on the phones every single day and evening until the polls close on election day. Only then do we quit.

    I don't think we've asked for out of state help. I know we have never needed it to replace our own efforts. We'd love to get it, but it's never been a necessity.

    Howard Dean is right, as usual. It's time to get to work for a win in November, right now. And it's time to get to work for a win in 2012 right now, too. We need to build, network, recruit, and do candidate search in order to be competitive in every Congressional district, Senate race, gubernatorial race, and local or statewide race in the country.

    Living kidney donor needed; type B, O, or incompatible (with paired donation). Drop me a note (see profile).

    by Kitsap River on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:14:00 PM PST

    •  Not only will I try to pay you a visit (2+ / 0-)
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      shpilk, Kitsap River

      I think I might be able to help swing your district blue.

      Email me more about your district and counties and I'll see what I can do.

      I have . . .  a plan!

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:27:29 PM PST

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  •  Not so much blame. (3+ / 0-)
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    KayCeSF, DrJeremy, MinistryOfTruth

    But I think certain segments of the population need to be shaken by the shoulders, pointed to this loss and reminded forcibly that "THIS is what being unrealistic gets you."

    Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

    by Whimsical on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:14:24 PM PST

  •  I think its mostly Coakley. I did not (0+ / 0-)

    see personality from her.  And Brown, policies aside, has both personality and charisma.  That's hard to over come.

    But her timing could not possibly be worse.  There are tremendous policy and political evaluations that now need to be reassessed by the Democrats.  The debate over how to proceed on health care is going to be huge.

    Expose the lies. Fight for the truth. Push progressive politics. Save our planet. Health care is a right, not a privilege.

    by lighttheway on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:24:26 PM PST

  •  I hate the term, "blame game," (4+ / 0-)

    like taking responsibility for your actions is a game of some sort.

    She screwed up.  She screwed up so badly that I can't even imagine how she could have screwed up so badly.  That's not a game.  In fact, what I'm saying is that this wasn't a referendum on crap, other than that if you don't even pretend that you want to fight for votes, you will lose.

    That's not a game, that's a fact.  Personal responsibility is not a game.

    So, now that this person will never run for public office again, let's get on with things.

    "I can't go to sleep. Someone on the internet is wrong!"

    by DrJeremy on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:26:09 PM PST

  •  Don't mourn... (2+ / 0-)
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    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:32:57 PM PST

  •  I blame Republicans (3+ / 0-)

    and the people who keep voting for the party that seems intent on fucking up government as badly as possible so that everyone will be cynical as hell and vote Republican again.  

    Meanwhile, a significant portion of the Democratic, activist base will bail out, cycle after cycle, when the Democrats don't do enough to stem the tide of insanity.  So the next wave rolls even further up the beach...

    I blame everyone, myself included.  And I just pray we can get better at stopping the insanity for long enough, some time, to actually roll back some of the damage.  

    2010. Time to win some more.

    by Sun dog on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:35:11 PM PST

  •  I voted yes even though there are (0+ / 0-)

    lessons to be learned from this election IMHO.  The blame game is most certainly counter productive but in the light of learning lessons, it is important to understand why this went so badly after 47 years of a solid democratic senate seat.  There's plenty of blame to go around, the goal should be to get past that very obvious fact and determine what was done (or not done) in the campaign that did or didn't work.  Then employ what is learned in order to obtain the end goal - winning the seat back AND maintaining a majority in the senate.  That means moving on from this depressing election and working nationally to make sure that end game is reached.  And that most definitely means that democrats HAVE TO LEARN they just can't win playing footsie with the rethugs.    

  •  Progressives need to own the DNC and ............ (4+ / 0-)

    disempower if not get rid of the conservative, corporatists, haks, and other assorted boat anchors about it's neck.  They should own the GOP too.  The U.S. constitution is a Liberal document, not conservative toilet paper.

  •  if you don't diagnose what went wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    (and therefore who is responsible for it)

    how in the billyblueblazes do you expect to be able to fix it?

    This approach strikes me as a "hopelessly lost, but making good time" sort of thing.

  •  In nine months (2+ / 0-)
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    one third of the Senate and all of the Reps will be up for election/reelection.  What Obama is able to accomplish in the second half of his term is highly contingent upon the results of that election.

    In these coming nine months we have a lot of work to do:

    1. Take control of framing the issues.
    1. Aggressively publicize Republican obstructionism and hypocrisy.
    1. Identify and support solid candidates for open seats.
    1. Strengthen and fine tune GOTV strategies.

    Oh, and one other thing:

    Get shit done.

    You see, electoral success is not just about "message." There's a little thing about "record" as well.

    Objectively, this Congress has thus far accomplished very little that's going to send a tingle up the voters' legs.

    We have three options for how to address this record thingy leading up to the November elections:

    1. We can resign ourselves to only passing legislation that gets the approval of the Lieberman caucus, plus one Republican.


    1. We can wage a massive pressure campaign on the Senate to pass every bill that can possibly be tied to the budget by means of reconciliation.


    1. We can wage a massive pressure campaign on the Senate to nuke the filibuster and start passing bills by simple majority.

    I personally favor #3, though I could live with #2.

    Know this: If you can't get behind #2 or #3, #1 is the default choice.

    Good luck running on THAT record in November.

    Yes, I know President Palin would be a disaster, and I do understand the ponies are on back order. Now, what the fuck was your point again?

    by WisePiper on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:50:26 PM PST

  •  In some ways I get your point, (3+ / 0-)
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    but your editing diminished the main point of his comments.  He was arguing that the Democrats need to get tougher and streamline their message if they want to win elections.  He also mentioned that the weak stance the Dems took on HCR hurt them in this election.

    GOTV is great, but it's only part of the picture.

    I couldn't care less about the ongoing meta pie fight on this blog, but I do think that the party needs to take a serious look at its choices regarding policy and compromise (not to mention messaging) if it wants to maintain power in the next election.

  •  Cutting To The Chase (2+ / 0-)
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    From the outside, it was a combination of the candidate being pretty close to a total claimer, and both the candidate and her organization feeling the state's electorate was just going to hand the seat to her, as if she were Ted Kennedy. For the record, what the GOP offered was fairly claimeresque, too.

    I'm not sure if it was more hubris or incompetence, but you have to move forward and learn from this.

    I like Howard Dean, and trust him, too, but I have long held the Netroots need to be better organized and start determining their fate. Whether that fate is independent or not outside of the Democratic party remains to be seen.

    If you want true change, you need to have your own candidates, not the ones that are offered to you. Otherwise, keep expecting the Matalin/Carvilles of the world to keep laughing at you. They, more than anything else, understand what goes on in DC is one big Kabuki, and offer to stick it in the public's face every chance they get (usually on TV on a Sunday morning).  

    I remember Ron Brown's famous scathing comment when Ross Perot's Presidential campaign picked up steam. It went something along the lines of: How dare he run, he's a threat to the two party system. No fucking kidding, Ron.

  •  Ironic then (1+ / 0-)
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    that its being reported that both Coakley & the WH started blaming each other right away...does that mean they are losers? In particular the administration & the WH? The Big L?

    When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis

    by Jazzenterprises on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:56:10 PM PST

  •  Sorry, you've got the battle lines all wrong (7+ / 0-)

    MinistryOfTruth writes:

    Well, I choose to fight alongside Progressives against the party of Bush, Beck and NO!

    The Republican Party is only ONE part of the enemy. The sad fact is that a large chunk of the Democratic Party is also part of the enemy. People like Rahm Emanuel and Larry Summers.

    The real battle lines are

    Wall Street



    Until you get that straight, winning a fucking election is the least of your worries, though it, unfortunately, will probably be the highest of your concerns.

    A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

    by NBBooks on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:58:41 PM PST

    •  100% agreed. Wall St vs Ameica (2+ / 0-)
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      blueoasis, thethinveil

      When Joe T Plumber started the socialism charade with his "redistribute the wealth" shtick he hit the heart of the problem.

      Guess where our jobs went? In Wall St bonuses.

      Guess where our budget surplus went? To the MIC, who is owned and financed by Wall St.

      Class War. The poor can't keep getting poorer, but that is the only way that the rich can keep getting richer, isn't it?

      "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" ~ The Late Sen. Paul Wellstone

      by MinistryOfTruth on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:06:23 PM PST

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    •  The biggest enemy to progressive ideals is (5+ / 0-)

      corporate media. They are the ones that took Coakely's 20 point lead to a loss in less than 2 weeks.

      The Republican Party did not 'win the race' for Senator StapleNutz.

      Democrats [and anyone for that matter] who care about progressive values, government decisions made upon facts and science have got to wake up and realize it's not Rahm, Larry and Timmy that are teh evil. They didn't lose this election, either. Enough with the demonizing of these people.

      It's truly the media Wurlitzer that is pushing the Tea Bag BS and the Dominionists. They are more powerful than political parties now. They are going to continue to push in places where we're not expecting them to get traction, and take advantage of the massive ignorance that is the American electorate. Unless these filthy pigs that control the media are stopped, we're going straight into Hell.

      Now, more than ever:
      'The work goes on, the cause endures' Ted Kennedy

      by shpilk on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12:02 PM PST

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      •  No, damn it (3+ / 0-)
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        Thomas Frank talked about this problem three years ago on Bill Moyers. I can't find the comment right now. And teh producer of "The Wire" talked about it in Moyers just a year or so ago.

        Neither party is responsive to the basic economic concerns of the working class. Both parties support free trade, for example. So, frank pointed out, the working class will support the party that at least is responsive to their moral and cultural concerns.

        So, yes, Rahm, Larry and Timmy are the problem. You're just trying to evade blame.

        A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

        by NBBooks on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:32:41 PM PST

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        •  That's why I voted for Ralph fucking Nader (2+ / 0-)
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          Boston to Salem, NBBooks

          It didn't work.

          I know both parties are owned by corporatist shits but all I care about is keeping the people who want to change the constitution to reflect biblical values out of power.

          At least women and gays should be able to have equal rights in a corporatist state.

          I voted for Nader in 2000. That's how I know progressive purity tests don't work.

          by VelvetElvis on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 12:10:58 AM PST

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    •  I hope more progressives will consider (1+ / 0-)
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      joining Progressive Democrats of America and work together to change the party from the inside out.

      The Nation names PDA "Most Valuable Political Group" of 2008!

  •  He also listed a few reasons (5+ / 0-)

    why we lost this, I don't think he necessarily let anyone off the hook, and this should be put into the broader context of what he said.

    Howard is a fighter and he knows we can get lost in the blame game, but he is also honest about how we lost.

    Language is wine upon the lips. -Virginia Woolf

    by valadon on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:59:05 PM PST

  •  Canvassing is good for your girlish figure (2+ / 0-)
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    I worked my ass off for that schmuck Harold Ford, Jr. in 2006, and I lost 10 pounds!

    I learned it from Dr. Dean. Canvassing is good for your body and good for the body politic.

  •  Let's look at a race that went dramatically (4+ / 0-)

    from a near 20 pt lead to a 6 point loss in two weeks, and look at the relentless media attacks in Boston that accompanied Coakely's weak campaign.

    There was hardly any discussion of issues, or policies during the last month of this campaign.

    She did herself no favors, but Coakely was clearly marked by the Boston media market for destruction.

    Now, more than ever:
    'The work goes on, the cause endures' Ted Kennedy

    by shpilk on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:15:46 PM PST

  •  "Blame game" (1+ / 0-)
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    is a phrase perpetuated by republicans.

    Specifically republicans who had screwed up/broken the law/got caught and did not want to take personal responsibility.

    The first step in remedying bad decisions is to recognose them. We call that "the blame game". Its funny how we're very happy to play it with the poor, the working class.. but never with politicians.

  •  Coakley=Old News, Now=Can Brown beat Pres. Obama? (3+ / 0-)

    Let's not get into who is at fault for what. What matters now is winning on health care reform. Never forget about the tens of thousands of Americans that die each year from lack of healthcare.

    Brown ran on preventing President Obama from getting health care reform. If President Obama does not succeed, nobody will remember to think Coakley lost.

    They are going to think Brown beat President Obama by preventing HCR, and Brown will become the Republican front runner in the next Presidential election.

    If we don't get some orders soon, we have to start marching toward the sound of the guns. Grouchy finger pointing is not going to accomplish anything.

    •  PS - sound of the guns = Waterloo quote (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't want anybody to think I'm talking about actual guns in my post above. It's just a reference to Sen. DeMint's insane quote about how he wanted HCR to fail and how its failure would be President Obama's Waterloo. I should have made that more clear.

  •  But can Dr. Dean (0+ / 0-)

    prescribe a pill that all will swallow?

    Do the Bostonian machine pols know something about Brown?  Is he mean to kitties?  Does he light his own farts?  Or...someone elses?  Rush maybe?

  •  Ceding ground, again... (2+ / 0-)
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    Blame will be laid.  The only question is who defines the debate.  If we cede that ground, then the people who seize it will be the right-wing pundits and the defensive democratic establishment.  The result?  They will decide that it's the fault of the Dems being too far to the left, and shift the national discourse even farther into the loony right.  It happens every time, and every time there's a flurry of diaries and personalities urging us to stand by and let it happen.  I love Dr. Dean, and wish he was back in charge at the DNC, but I fervently disagree with him here.

  •  "blame" goes way back (2+ / 0-)
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    Ivan, sharonsz

    The blame here rests on Bill Clinton and Emily's list for backing the wrong candidate in the primaries.

    Emily's List's sexist agenda is proving to do more harm than good.

    I voted for Nader in 2000. That's how I know progressive purity tests don't work.

    by VelvetElvis on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 12:06:58 AM PST

  •  You don't "send a message" by not voting (0+ / 0-)

    You just end up letting the other guy who votes send THEIR message.

    FDR: "Yes, I'm for it. Now make me do it."

    by arubyan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 12:26:37 AM PST

  •  This may end up being a good thing in the end ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Ivan, GrandmaMJ

    And I say that because it may be a wake up call for everyone not to take the voters for granted ... on either side.  Brown may in fact vote against the health care bill, and then what?  The voters of MA will be stuck with him for the next two years.  And if he screws up, (which I expect he will) he will lose his seat to a better candidate the next time.

    It's better that the message be heard in January rather than October don't you think?

    And just a personal observation ... and I include myself in this: In 2008 there was a movement around Barack Obama with a mantra "Yes we can" ... and Barack Obama went to work while much of the "We" went back home.  Don't get me wrong, I'm just as guilty.  Somehow there was an expectation that he would be able to do the work of the We - alone.  And I know that is not the case for all, but really the majority of the "movement" has disappeared. President Obama was given the task of cleaning up a mess that took 8 years to create, but somehow everyone thought he was going to magically fix all of the problems of the world in an instant, and we would have no responsibility at all once he got elected.  If the Titanic could have turned around on a dime, it would not have hit the iceberg ... but it doesn't work that way, neither does governing.  

    And contrary to the opinion of the "progressives" he is not just your president ... He is the President of the United States ... and not everyone who voted for him was a "progressive" ... does he not also have a responsibility to those voters as well?  

    It's all well and good to blame Rahm and corporate America for all our woes, but I got to tell you, I am so sick of that.  You know who makes up Corporate America ... People.  Just regular people who get up in the morning and go to work, earn a pay check, raise their families, walk their dogs, pay their taxes and for the most part do the right thing.  Not all corporations are bad, and not all corporations are badly managed, or are run by the Darth Vader and the evil empire. There are greedy corporations, but some and I dare say most, are actually just companies made up of people doing their jobs.  

    I find it truly amazing to listen to so many people complain about how angry they are about the government bailing out the banks, but when I ask them where they have their personal bank accounts they answer Bank of America or Chase.  How dare the government give my hard earned tax dollars to Bank of America, when I am perfectly capable of giving it to them on my own!    

    So why did I stop participating... because I was tired of being drowned out by the screaming voices on the right and on the left.  You see I'm a moderate Democrat.  And according to the majority of people who post on this blog, my voice should be silenced!  I am evil, I am the devil, I am stupid, blah, blah, blah ... and why?  Because I believe that compromise is a better approach to governing than taking my cookies and going home when I don't get my way.  Because I believe that people who disagree with me, have a right to their opinion, and they may actually have a point of view that I haven't considered.  And though I may not share their views, I do not believe myself to be so self-righteous that they should be silenced.  But unfortunately that's been the message from the "progressive" movement in my party.  You are either with us or against us... hmmm sounds familiar doesn't it?  But you don't hear that do you?  Because you are so full of your own self-righteousness, that you don't see that most of the people in the middle look at the far left the same was as they see the tea partiers.  But really how could you see that?  You don't look at yourselves in the mirror to see that you have exactly the same expression on your faces as the people you are calling crazy! And you know how I know that ... because I was told that a couple of years ago by a dear friend.  I was becoming that which I thought I was fighting against.

    Well for my part... I am going to get back involved, because I have let my President down. He spoke about hope, and I am a big believer in hope!  I walked away from him when he needed me the most!  And I am going to stand up for those of us in the middle, who still believe that for the most part people are good.  

    So Mr. President ... I still here, and I still believe "Yes We Can".        

  •  Its a Bit Late for Jewels of Wisdom (1+ / 0-)
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    Hard to believe the DNC let her go on vacation during the peak of the campaign.

    This election was as important to Obama and the DNC as the presidential election was.

    Repercussions from this loss will be deep and wide.

  •  Dem's suck at powerplays. The GOP loves them. (2+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, Liberal Mole

    The GOP may be lousy at government. Big surprise, they hate it so they want it to fail.

    But what always mystifies me is the sad transition from Dem ideals to gov't practice. Always a FU of the first order.

    I'm not a fan of The Mellifluous One in office. Got a lot of stick when I expressed my skepticism at the oratory pre-election. And it seems I've been proven right post-election.

    Monday morning quarterbacking is always dumb, but we all saw this coming. Fineman had a good take: Obama had all the political capital in the world, and he gave it to Baucus.

    Take note of this: Obama isn't providing strong leadership, and the moment has passed. From now on it's catch-up, when he started several laps ahead of the field.

    Sad really. Was one hell of an opportunity.

    "If you don't use your majorities, you lose your majorities."

    by SteinL on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:21:36 AM PST

  •  the diary (0+ / 0-)

    on rec list ... my Mom MA Dem machine said

    MA democrats didn't back Coakley they are fighting among themselves;

    Brown must knowing that took advantage by staying under the radar but working the ground until it was too late for Martha to pull together enough GOTV...

    articles point to Brown working his campaign to take advantage of over confidence of Coakley campaign...

    Oil & oil services dictates when, how the nation decides to go to war. The cabal is more powerful than government yet only government can stop them.

    by anyname on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:23:57 AM PST

    •  symptom (1+ / 0-)
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      Martha Coakley’s failure is a symptom of a larger problem

      January 20, 2010

      There’s plenty of blame to go around for Martha Coakley’s defeat at Scott Brown’s hands in the Massachusetts Senate race. Let’s start with Coakley herself. She ran a pathetic campaign. Starting out with overconfidence Ted Kennedy never would have allowed himself, Coakley did virtually no campaigning after the primary. Assuming the primary was a coronation, she never let the voters get to know her. And when Scott Brown came out of nowhere to challenge her, she proved utterly tone deaf to her potential constituents, calling Red Sox legend Curt Schilling a YANKEE fan of all things. She may be a good public servant, but is utterly uninspiring. Almost any Democrat could have won this race, but she blew it.

      And then there’s Harry Reid. His incompetent Senate leadership made this election matter far more than it should. If the Democrats needed a simple majority to pass legislation, the loss of one vote is dispiriting, but hardly nightmarish. But since Reid lacks the skill to challenge Republican stalling tactics, which I believe to be the most serious threat to democracy the country has faced in generations, Democrats need sixty votes to pass anything. In addition, his unwillingness to impose even a modicum of party discipline means moderates like Evan Bayh and Joe Lieberman control the party caucus, threatening to veto any legislation by withholding their 60th vote.

      Oil & oil services dictates when, how the nation decides to go to war. The cabal is more powerful than government yet only government can stop them.

      by anyname on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:06:46 AM PST

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  •  Of course Howard is going to say this. (2+ / 0-)
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    Bush Bites, miamiboats

    He is a winner in this election. Obama and his sycophants ae the losers.

    Howard knows that his stock has gone up and Obama's has fallen and will continue to fall.

    Dean wants to be seen as the man who can right the ship, and I think he is.

    So I hope he continues to take the high road, because if present trends continue then Obama will be a one-term president and we will need an electable Dem to replace him in the primaries. Dean could be the one.

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning.

    by hestal on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:50:21 AM PST

  •  You Phony Progressives Suck, I Am Backing (0+ / 0-)


    Ah, er - I forgot.  You are a liberal.  A real live liberal.

    Why are you so afraid of the word?

    Yeah I know.  The MSM hates liberals.

    Tough poopy.

    They will still call you a liberal no matter how much you deny it.  And then throw you in a bag with wingeroonis.

    What's the point of denial?  Doesn't that make you look even worser?

    Hey, Truth, love what you have to say.  Except that phony progressive thingy.  There are real Progressives you know.  They ain't Democrats.

    Take care, good buddy.  Pulling for you.

    Best,  Terry

  •  Cheer up guys (1+ / 0-)
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    Watch a few episodes of Oprah, slap another "Hope" sticker on the back of your car, read an recite that audacious hope book, and then shout "YES WE CAN!" to the top of your lungs and everything should be hunky dory again. (Oh, and don't forget to dust off and wear that We Are the Change tshirt)

    Like Hillary said, they were all just words.

    by SBoswell on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 02:14:42 AM PST

  •  BLAME the sell outs & the incompetents & the (1+ / 0-)
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    the compromisers and the

    diaper shitting "if we go tooooo far left the right will lie and we'll lose" pathetics.

    if you can't identify a problem,
    you can't fix it.

    working with sell outs, incompetents, diaper shitters ...

    = LOSE.



    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 02:54:33 AM PST

  •  True, but politics isn't all process (0+ / 0-)

    It's also policies and narratives.

    Whatever Coakley's faults, she couldn't have lost had the national democratic policies and narratives reflected the mood of the country.  

    I have no idea whether the GOTV effort in Mass was good or not, but 6 points in Mass is real, significant, and not the result of a failure to make calls and drive folks to the polls.  

    They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred.

    by bdtlaw on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 02:56:46 AM PST

  •  What crap. The purpose of your diary is to (1+ / 0-)
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    blame Coakely.

    •  God damn right blame Coakley! (0+ / 0-)

      Who was the candidate? Obama? No. Howard Dean? No. Markos? No. Me? No. The Man in the Moon? No. Chaim Schmuck? No. Finn McCool? No. La Cucaracha? No.

      She was the candidate. Her name and nobody else's was on the ticket. Either she was in charge of her campaign or she wasn't. You bet your ass I blame her, either way.

      Hear me clearly. I don't WANT candidates who are not in charge of their campaigns. I don't WANT candidates run by handlers and consultants and "media people." If we let these parasites control our candidates before they are elected, who the hell will be controlling them once they are in office?

      Coakley and the people who backed her had their chance and they blew it, big time. They all need to get the hell out of the way in 2012, so that a Democrat who knows how to campaign and how to win can recapture this seat.

      If you take that personally, tough shit. Your job is to deliver the vote.

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:05:02 AM PST

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      •  Yes... (0+ / 0-)

        I've been registered democrat in MA for most of my 31 voting years.

        Here is the map from yesterday.

        I live just to the left of the blue blob, Worcster, in the midle of the state.  Most of that red swath is typically reliably democratic.

        MA dem voters are not blind sycophants. We expected change, not some massive corpoarate giveaway. Not plocies the transfer corpoarte losses onto our plates while we struggle to put food them as they pay themsves billion in bonuses.

        No democrat would have won that election. My small town had a 52% turnout where Brown won by 68% to 31% over Coakely.

  •  Lessons from Dean, Lessons from Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    1. Dean in Iowa: Out of State Backup is nice, but you mainly need the people you have in-state, or you're perceived as foreign.  Brown had more of that early on than Coakley (or D in general) did.
    1. Signs.
    1. Pay attention to your opponent's rhetoric in the primary.  Don't tell me that the guy is George Bush.  Anything from before Lady Gaga might have well been from the age of the dinosaurs.  Show me him at the TeaBag Rally.  Play clips of what he's saying and laughing at on WTKK.  Use his own words and voice against him.  Not on dKos TV, by the way.  On the public airwaves.
    1. Be happy no matter what happens.  Be calm no matter what happens.
    1. If you're going to call in the out-of-state politicians, do it right after you win the Primary or not at all.
    1. Go on the more progressive TV shows and radio right after the primary, and sound fairly centrist when advocating for progressive causes.  This prevents a reversal of #3 while still energizing your base.
    1. Go on non-political shows, like AM shows.

    That's what I'd do in future.

    Maybe, in the far future, I will be doing that.

  •  Why do I get the feeling that the Democrats will (0+ / 0-)

    welcome Brown and push Dean even further away?

    Did you like the spaghetti ohs?

    by 88kathy on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 03:28:17 AM PST

    •  Our President surely will. (0+ / 0-)

      I have a sad sense that he'll go into a major meltdown now and be so friggin' "bipartisan" that the country will be the worse for having him and Rahm running things..

      The two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ---- Bob Lemon

      by miamiboats on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:28:28 AM PST

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  •  In a regular race where the candidate (0+ / 0-)

    had done everything he/she could and didn't waste an overwhelming lead I'd say Howard is exactly right.

    And yes, I think we need him back. No argument there at all.

    But in this case it sure did seem they called in "The Base" (formerly known as the grassroots) only at the last "Oh Shit!" minute and we were expected to drop what we were doing to push them over the finish line regardless of how we felt about this candidate. And then Obama has to be called in at the last minute...

    So now "we" lost it...and it's a referendum on both/either Obama or the liberal base...according to the wingnuts. I don't appreciate that and I'm sure Obama doesn't either.

    We are not miracle workers nor should we be used as scapegoats...

    Seems like we get blamed whenever we're handed shit sandwiches and can't turn them into a box of chocolates... I can only imagine how Obama feels.

  •  This is the enthusiasm gap (1+ / 0-)
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    that will cost us seats this year.

    The liars, cowards, cheats (Republicans) energize their base.  We don't.  It's as simple as that.

    Say goodbye to passing anything through the Senate until we get a real leader.

    59 votes (well, let's say 58 since Loserman is an R.

    That should be enough to pass anything.

    Oh, and Senator Reid, it's called filibuster for a reason.  Perhaps if you made them actually do it, you might get something done.

    ... with liberty and justice for straight white Christians

    by DrWolfy on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 04:00:12 AM PST

  •  It's not war (0+ / 0-)

    Really - at a time when real soldiers are getting blown up and ducking down to dodge bullets are you seriously going to claim that "this is war?"

    This is a real struggle and it certainly is going to take a lot of resolve on the part of grassroots Democrats.  But "war" it ain't.

  •  It's just sad and ironic, like another (0+ / 0-)

    aspect of the Kennedy Curse, that Ted wasn't here to twist arms over healthcare.

    I am so pissed and angry with both "parties" -- the well-organized looter Republicans and the less-organized go-along-to-get-along Democrats.

    I am so fed up with the Democratic machine in Maryland and the hapless Republicans from the Eastern Shore.

    I am so fed up with hearing from Andy Harris, a lame conservative politician with no ideas.

  •  blame starts the process of accountability, and (1+ / 0-)
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    our political leaders should be held accountable.  I've got to disagree with Dean on this one.

  •  Yeah. No asking *why* we lost. (4+ / 0-)

    Just shut up and keep doing the same thing over and over, while expecting a different result.

    So let's get this straight, Coakley lost, she lost for reasons all of her own

    No blame allowed, unless it's being put where it belongs, which is on Coakley.  How noble.

    It's true that President Obama is not to blame for this loss.  It's true that Coakley was, at the end of the day, a poor candidate.  

    It's also true that this was in large part a referendum on a bad Health Insurance bill which voters oppose.  When we were looking at the House bill, Coakley was up by 15%.  The Senate bill passed with an excise on decent health plans, and she dropped 20 points in its wake.

    MA voters overwhelmingly like President Obama as a person, and the approve of the overall job he's doing by a strong margin...but like most Americans they're not going to put up with a corporate give-away just because some huffy boomers say it's for their own good.

    Treating voters like children and refusing to listen to their concerns will cost us at least six more Senate seats this December if all we take from this is 'Make more phone calls'.

    The lesson really is - don't call yourself a Democrat while shitting on Labor.

    Why is Obama letting his prefect be the enemy of the good?

    by JesseCW on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 04:25:33 AM PST

    •  What are you talking about (0+ / 0-)

      MA has nearly the same plan!

      The senate HCR is nationalized RomneyCare.  The GOP lied about threats to Medicare and shook up people in that fashion; propagandists on "the left" joined in with their own attacks on HCR.

      •  Yes, they do, and it's not at all popular with (0+ / 0-)

        a hell of a lot of those who are actually forced to buy insurance on its exchange.

        It's busting their budget and driving their costs through the roof.

        People in MA are well aware that because something is called "Health Care Reform" doesn't mean it deserves knee-jerk support.  They've made that mistake before.

        Keep claiming the voters are just too stupid to see how wonderfull the Senate Plan to hand their incomes to the insurance industry is - and watch us keep losing.

        The Senate Plan passed, Brown promised to block it, and Coakley tanked.

        Even Romney wasn't stupid enough to threaten to tax the insurance plans Unions fought for.

        Shocking as this may be, some people in MA actually dared to hope that a Democratic Senate might give them a better set of health care options than a Republican Governor.

        If you didn't dare hope for that much, you're even more cynical than I am.

        Why is Obama letting his prefect be the enemy of the good?

        by JesseCW on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:50:42 AM PST

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        •  Again, I'm not arguing the merits (0+ / 0-)

          of nationalized RomneyCare.  A Republican capitalized on Dems completely asleep at the wheel locally, and nationally, only tepidly responding to the GOP's obstructionism in the GOP by watering down their own legislation rather than calling the GOP out on what they're doing.

          But I think that you are overstating your case here.  I don't think that this contest was lost on the basis of no public option; it might have been a factor, particularly with propagandists floating betrayal narratives, and propagandists choosing to rehabilitate teabaggers by imagining that their wrath towards this WH is anything but race-based, captured and astroturfed by a cynical and con artist GOP.  But the lion's share of the blame lies with this candidate, and I bet she knows it.

          And with this loss, we're risking even more tepid legislation.

          •  I only wish the public option was (0+ / 0-)

            the critical issue.  I understand the difference between 'important to me' and 'hugely important to the electorate'.

            It wasn't the war in afghanistan, or the failure to prosecute war crimes, or failure to act on DADT or DOMA either.

            The threat to tax benefits is huge with union workers, and the 'compromise' was too little too late to shift the anger.

            I'm a trucker.  A hell of a lot of my friends are Teamsters.  They turned on a dime from supporting to opposing this because of the bullshit excise.

            Of course, the booster crowd refused to listen and prattled on about how only racist teabaggers would ever disagree with the President about whether a tax was tolerable or not.  


            60% of the country is opposed to the Senate bill.  

            That's not because they're teabaggers, or because they're all Jane Hamsher.  

            It's because it's a bad bill, and it does stuff they don't want.  It makes them buy insurance from corporations they don't trust or want to do business with, it takes way too long to take effect, and they hate the funding mechanism.

            They're the voters, and it's their call to make.

            Insulting them for daring to think they've got the right to decide for themselves what they do or do not want reminds me of nothing so much as the noxious air of entitlement that killed Clintons campaign.

            They made that call in MA.  And if this pile of shit passes, they'll make it elsewhere too.

            If Coakley had campaigned her ass off, she might well have won.  She might have even won by 3-4 points, despite her support for a bill that is detested by the voters.

            If we were looking at the House bill, she would have managed a 3-4 point win despite the lousy campaign.

            It's Government by the People, for the People, and of the People - and if you want to win you've got to respect what they want.

            Why is Obama letting his prefect be the enemy of the good?

            by JesseCW on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:23:50 AM PST

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            •  So you agree (0+ / 0-)

              That this loss was most likely not on the basis of HCR but is a culmination of several factors, including impatience with the reform agenda as well as a rehabilitation of the GOP as "not the problem," when in fact they remain an enormous part of the problem.

              Agreed about the excise tax and I think that the effort to make it explicit that this is a tax on plans for the wealthy, not union members, was a good call.

              Again, I'm no fan of the senate bill.  And I think that this GOP win will probably result in it passing, rather than concessions made to the House.  NYers just got screwed.  We're going to lose about a billion dollars in funding.  Thanks, everyone.

              •  I agree that it wasn't simply about (0+ / 0-)

                a teabaggery 'keep govm'nt outta my health insurance'.

                That said, I'm sticking with my stance that either a better candidate or a better health care bill would have won this.

                In MA, with insane health insurance costs resulting from a mandate with no price controls, a disproportionate number of people would have been subject to the excise tax as originally drafted.

                For them, they would have just gotten their benefits cut back by employers avoiding the tax.

                Since the 'fix' is just an agreement in a non-official conference, but the nasty bit of work is actually right there in the Senate Bill, it's not too easy to convince people it was fixed.

                Pointing to a Bill vrs. pointing to 'sources say a deal was reached'.

                If the Democrats want to get something done, they can.  Medicaid expansion, CHC funding, a ten year extension on COBRA subsidy, these things are completely within the scope of reconciliation according to everyone.

                They pass the Senate bill through the House...shit is gonna hurt in November.  Voters really don't tend to go for 'we passed some horrible shit but we promise to fix it up proper if you re-elect us'.

                I seem to recall that being tried RE: NAFTA about 16 years ago.  No one bit.

                Better by far, IMO, to just pass the good stuff and get the upside without the downside of mandates ect.

                Why is Obama letting his prefect be the enemy of the good?

                by JesseCW on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:52:11 AM PST

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  •  Good class from Howard Dean (1+ / 0-)
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    He may not agree with all of Obama's policies but if there is any polling evidence that this race was about Obama personally, I missed it. There seems to be evidence that the voters did not trust the Democrats in Congress, so "Obama did not do enough to build the Democratic brand" could be a second-order explanation, which we see from Drew Westen today. But the race looks like a referendum on that brand.

  •  Dean is correct. He does not drive it down far (1+ / 0-)
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    Look in a mirror. There you will see the responsible party. Get out the vote? Yeah, I'm sort of preaching to the choir here but then even here I see lots of "sit it out" sentiment. The responsible party stares back from the mirror. Citizens asleep at the switch and too lazy to get over to vote for the best of even poor choices are dooming us.

    I don't know the solution to decades of neglect of civics and citizenship. I do know that every time I see the "I'm not enthused" or "I may sit this one out" here where supposed political activists and "progressives" reside I wonder what the hell they think they are doing.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:12:08 AM PST

    •  I wish I could recommend this comment (0+ / 0-)

      One hundred times. Bravo!

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:10:39 AM PST

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  •  It was a "perfect storm" of fuck ups. (0+ / 0-)

    If blame is what you're up for today, there's plenty to go around, from Martha Coakley to the MDP to the DNC to the White House.

    Personally, I got all of that out of my system last night.

    It's important to learn from the past.  It's useless to dwell on it.

    Today, we must focus on what is important by renewing our commitment to progressive ideals.  Today we must get back to work and work harder than ever.  (Or, as Ted Kennedy might say, "With great vigah!")

    If we choose to do otherwise, then last night will be merely the beginning of a very, very bad year for progressives.

    "Grab a mop!" - President Barack Obama

    by Kevinole on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:17:43 AM PST

  •  No amount of GOTV.. (1+ / 0-)
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    ..would have mattered in yesterday's election.  So I think it's dodging the issue to focus on it.  Yes, GOTV is important but there's more important factors in play in yesterday's election and if we don't address all of them then we're set up for more losses in November.

    Personally I think unless Congress turns around and passes a health care plan with a Public Option or Medicare Expansion AND passes substantial Wall Street reform we're going to lose big in November.  And no amount of GOTV will save us from that.

    •  When I did the phonebanking (0+ / 0-)

      and talked to MA voters, their concerns with the Healthcare plan was not so much about the public option, medicare expansion etc.  They were very concerned that it would be run like their own state plan.  Which according to those voters was expensive and inefficient.  The voters were very concerned that once again their taxes would go up (MA has some of the highest taxes) and over all the current bill would make healthcare MORE expensive.  Another thing I found strange is most of those voters did NOT want a government plan.  This is what shocked me. I can honestly say I hear a lot of republican lite talking points.

      Finally the over all perception of our candidate was not flattering at all.  This last sentence was probably due to the campaign she ran more than anything else.

  •  Gotta Say, Not one of MOT's Best (2+ / 0-)
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    You say don't blame, but your first point is to blame Coakley.

    Then you say GOTV failed - i see no evidence of that.  The Democrats voted, Coakley did as well or better with them than expected.

    We lost the Independents. And if we don't identify why we lost them, then we'll lose them in November as well.

    Yes, Coakley ran a shitty campaign, but in addition Senator Obama has got to become President Obama.  Until that happens, nothing will get better.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:21:23 AM PST

  •  I saw someone on TV from Mass who (1+ / 0-)
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    said that the campaign was between a politician and a lawyer.  Obviously Brown is a politician and Coakley is not.  And to excite the voters you need a politician.

  •  GOWV? (2+ / 0-)
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    Get Out What Vote?

    All the grassroots GOTV efforts in the world won't make a lick of difference if the people you're trying to get out to vote simply don't want to or are simply unmotivated to as a result of spineless Jellycrats.

    If elected Democrats won't get their shit together, you won't get people out to vote for them.


    It really is that simplistic.

    More and Better Democrats

    by SJerseyIndy on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:40:59 AM PST

    •  We're going to see a slew of diaries (3+ / 0-)
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      trying to twist this, and spin this, and trying to calm people down.

      The spin started way before the election was even held.

      The idea is to keep any of this from sticking to the Democratic leadership.

      And it's a load of shit.

      And if we don't pay attention to what happened in Massachusetts, it will be repeated all across the country in 2010.

      It's our choice -- be assuaged by the party propaganda machine (and this place is rife with it) -- or understand what really happened and fight like hell to change it before it's too late.  We might have a chance to prevent a bloodbath in 2010 and 2012, but only if we are honest with ourselves.

      •  Right On (2+ / 0-)
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        Historical trends and patterns show that 2010 is likely to be a bloodbath even without things like 10% unemployment while the Party in power dithers on increasingly worthless health insurance legislation.

        The Party of the recently-elected President has seen their numbers decrease in the following midterms time and again, with two major exceptions:

        1. 2002 at a time of redistricting when Republicans gained seats after Bush's selection by SCOTUS


        1. 1934 when a Democrat with a spine pushed The New Deal

        And the Democrats know this (see Van Hollen memo "Headwind").

        We can safely assume that Democrats won't pull redistricting tricks that Republicans pulled to gain seats. So, what is left is for Democrats to go all New Deal on us...

        which they've seemingly decided against.

        Therefore: they will suffer seats as a result.

        And it's nobody's fault but their own... regardless of all the self loathers who will tell us time and again that we just didn't do a good enough job getting out the vote.

        I'll repeat what I said in my previous comment:

        All the grassroots GOTV efforts in the world won't make a lick of difference if the people you're trying to get out to vote simply don't want to or are simply unmotivated to as a result of spineless Jellycrats.

        If elected Democrats won't get their shit together, you won't get people out to vote for them.


        More and Better Democrats

        by SJerseyIndy on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:30:36 AM PST

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  •  We lost a battle not the war (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:42:04 AM PST

  •  Examining the reasons for this loss is NOT (1+ / 0-)
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    playing the blame game. Project managers always perform a "lessons learned" exercise at the end of a large project -- as not to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

    But the denial here on dKos is palpable. It was a vote against corruption in Washington. And for the Pollyannas who think Dems are not corrupt, you need only look at the hideous results of the HCR bill.

    You are witnessing late stage Capitalist Carcinoma. Diagnosis, terminal. Hospice recommended.

    by CitizenOfEarth on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 05:51:59 AM PST

  •  Dean said a number of other things too (0+ / 0-)

    about the changes that people in this country really want, and are not getting from Washington.

  •  I hate the term (1+ / 0-)
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    "playing the blame game."

    Sometimes political analysis is called for.

  •  I'm playing the blame game (4+ / 0-)
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    Number one, it's inexcusable that the leadership in both the DNC, DSCC and the WH don't have a finger on every single active contest in the country and which candidates are struggling.  Very last minute intervention and as we can see, it wasn't enough.

    Coakley's responsibility for this is enormous.  This should have been a cakewalk.  How quickly people forget that the GOP got us into this mess, and empowering them won't get us out of it.  She lost control of the narrative in that contest and allowed a wingnut to present himself as a moderate.  Incompetent campaigner IMO.

    In addition, senatorial leadership needed to have produced a strategy of dealing with the GOP's total obstructionism in terms of getting quality legislation passed.  Watered down stimulus plus watered down health care dampened excitement.

    In addition, propagandists on the left have been working steadily to promote a narrative that achievement equals failure and anything less than a complete repeal of Bushism in a year is failure.  They traffic in caricature and call POTUS a sell-out at every opportunity.  They promoted the fantasy that killing HCR is a good idea, then pivoted and tried to float new propaganda at the last second.  These people are negative and are costing this party, bigtime.  I'm sick of these games.

    The blame game is very necessary here.

    •  Good luck in elections (1+ / 0-)
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      with this party machine lock step think. You cannot spin what you won on, change and bottom up, into the GOP's fault when they lost and yet they still control the agenda and policy. The people who formed the coalition that elected Obama are not buying it. The mythical center is not going to be able to hold them. It's nonsense to ram through regressive legislation and ignore what the people want. Excuses don't cut it with most people including the base. It's ass backwards and people know a bamboozle when they see it and have to pay for it.

      The movement that got Obama elected is still there and waiting for something to be done about 'the fierce urgency of now'. The one that is 'moving forward' and mandating them to pay the vig for a corporate monopoly that hold's their access to health care hostage, continues the wars and the pillaging by Visigoths from Wall Street. It's politically stupid and not pragmatic at all. Yes we can won the day not centrist fictions that say this is all you get.      

      •  I don't know how this content (1+ / 0-)
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        pertains to what I wrote.  F- it, I can't take this place any more.

        •  'the progandists of the left' (1+ / 0-)
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          is how it pertains. A narrative of achievement actually requires some achievement. Hard to blame the right when your not delivering what you ran on, and legislate corporate governance and call it reform. The truth is not propaganda whats propaganda is blackmailing people with the scary right while you allow them and the corporations to run the place and call this progress.    

        •  hey, hi.... (1+ / 0-)
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          Can you email me? Because I would hate to lose touch with you altogether...I am only sane these last few months because of you and a few other people I'd really hate to see you go, but if you're going to go (and I hope you don't!), I'd like to stay in touch.

          And I finished this letter with unshakable faith that the dream will be fulfilled for this generation, and preserved and enlarged for generations to come.

          by Elise on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 11:43:17 AM PST

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  •  To get something the fuck straight. Dean did (0+ / 0-)

    also give a number of reasons for what happened, which including naming a few names, so I am not the fuck sure that this would qualify as "blaming." Look at the entire interview.

    Last time I checked, If I get this fucking straight, I didn't see any other diaries that were written like B character right out of a  shitty Elmore Leonard novel.

    Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.- George C.

    by gereiztkind on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:09:49 AM PST

  •  An accident is the result of.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....many things....this is not just about GOTV

  •  If the goal is only to win elections. (1+ / 0-)
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    Reminds of the sports team whose goal is to make it to the big game, gets there, and then proceeds to lose, dramatically.

    The goal has to be bigger than winning elections, for that is worthless if the opportunities gained are not exercised.

    they sentenced me to 20 years of boredom
    for trying to change the system from within

    by wanderindiana on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:14:04 AM PST

  •  I don't buy that this loss is all about (2+ / 0-)
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    Coakley.  Clearly, she was a poor candidate, but DC Democrats have done a very poor job in controlling the agenda since gaining power -- and everyone, including the folks on this site, see it.  

    If DC Democrats don't see a message in all this, they're toast in November.  I think they will see a message.  My fear is that they'll to exactly the wrong thing in response.

  •  Please, i am going to play the blame game, and I (0+ / 0-)

    blame the democratic voters, ALL OF US.

    we like to forget and love to play the ALL or NOTHING game.

    can someone please tell me how not voing in a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT would purnish Obama, the senate, the rep or whoever you blame for not passing your agenda?

    if it was liberman or a conservative dem. i would understand.  anyways, i cannot wait for brown to get in there, lets me see how the single payer/ public option would come into pass now.

  •  If you don't analyze what went wrong... (2+ / 0-)
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    joanneleon, Fury're doomed to make the same mistakes.

    "No PO, no bill, no money, no nothin' but hell on earth for these people." -SouthernDragon at FDL

    by nehark on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:22:40 AM PST

  •  I'm with Rahm (0+ / 0-)

    He is steering.  No need to change course when we are on a roll.  I'm buying pharma, insurance, and finance futures now to cash in when it all comes into place.

  •  When people aren't held accountable for mistakes (0+ / 0-)

    You get the second Junior Bush administration.

    The time for pointing fingers is now.  Coakley deserves the most blame for being inept.  Massachusetts Democrats deserve at least some blame for nominating her and for failing to get behind her candidacy in an organized way.  The DNC deserves some blame for not developing a set of principles for candidates to run on to replace "I'm not Bush."  Congressional Democrats deserve some blame for seemingly doing nothing with their majority and for not using Republican obstructionism against them.  

    But in the end, this is about The Economy Stupid.  If unemployment is still at 10% in June, Republicans will retake both houses of Congress.  The time to do something about that is a year ago.  It may be too late to stop at this point.

  •  To GOTV (1+ / 0-)
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    You must have candidates about whom the base can care.  Democrats consistently take us for granted - guess what, this is what happens.  Show us some fucking life.

  •  Here is what else Dean said: (3+ / 0-)
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    Dumbo, Fury, shaharazade

    After the election last night, Dean talked about change and how the people are not getting the change that they voted for:

    While he praised Obama as a good president, Dean said the Democrat hasn't turned out to be the "change agent" the party thought it elected, and voters who supported Democrats in back-to-back elections now are turned off. Said Dean: "They really thought the revolution was at hand but it wasn't, and now they're getting the back of the hand."

    Then he talked about what Democrats are not doing and need to be doing:

    The Democrats, if we wanna govern right, we're gonna have a message. We're gonna have to show decisiveness. We're gonna have to show boldness. We're gonna have to show toughness and we're gonna have to show leadership. And leadership is not trying to be centrists and getting everyone to work together -- because that's not gonna happen.

    And that, IMHO, is directly aimed at the White House and the Democratic leadership in Congress.  And it sounds a lot like blaming.  And I agree with him.

    You know who Dean is talking about when he says that people who are blaming are losers?  He's talking about the DNC and the White House who started blaming Coakley and her campaign before the election was even held, and continued to do it all throughout election day.  Why?  Because they were so afraid that some of this might stick to them, as it should.

    Read this:
    (Note: all of this was happening while the polls were still open)

    Top Dem Rips Coakley Campaign: "Worst Debacle In American Political History"

    And this:
    Democrats already devouring themselves

    And this:
    Coakley adviser memo: D.C. Dems 'failed' Coakley

    •  THANK YOU JO. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm getting so sick of all the head in the sand ostrich behavior.

      •  They are already showing signs of denial (0+ / 0-)

        and of not wanting to admit that this loss was about a lot more than a lackluster candidate with a poorly run campaign.

        And that's a really bad sign.  Because it means that they are more concerned about their poll numbers and their popularity than they are concerned about fixing the real problems.  And that means they are missing the wake up call and that it's going to come crashing down on them in 2010, nine months from now.

        The party propaganda is sweeping and plentiful today.

        I don't know when they are going to realize that their way is not working and no amount of marketing is going to fix that.  I just watched Gibbs and Axelrod try to spin this on MSNBC.  When asked a direct question about whether this election should send a message, they dodged the question.

  •  GOTV was not the problem. (4+ / 0-)

    Brown turned out large numbers of his voters -- and so did Coakley (or the Obama/Dem machine did).

    There were just MORE Brown voters.

    That's not a mechanical, GOTV issue. That's a statement election about people not liking Coakley and/or Obama and wanting to send a message.

  •  I love Dean, but he's wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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    And he may have been just saying the politic thing to say in the light of the drubbing we took.

    I don't believe this is all Coakley's fault, as the diarist says (even as he decries blaming).  Shit... there was a part of ME rooting for Brown, just because I wanted somebody, somewhere, to bitchslap the Whitehouse and bring it back to reality.  Sadly, it happened this way.

    Here's where I lay the blame:  The Health Care fiasco in December sucked a vital component of the energy out of the Democratic Party.  This election took place in an atmosphere of defeat, even as our fearless leaders tell us what a great legislative victory we are witnessing.

    Something has to change.  The problem is not GOTV.  That's absurd.

  •  Here are some lessons I think are to be learned (0+ / 0-)
    1. Connect with the voters. It's not enough to have the better policy positions, you have to connect with them emotionally.
    1. If you think voters should be smart enough to know that your policies are better than your opponent's, and you are not prepared to effectively educate them, find another line of work.
    1. If you think people vote solely on who has the better policies/resume and it shouldn't matter who they like more, find another line of work.
    1. If you are not well prepared to counter attacks, both true and untrue, find another line of work.
    •  And one other message (1+ / 0-)
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      When people vote in a tidal wave election for change -- make sure you are giving it to them.

      One other lesson:  When your base goes above and beyond and then above and beyond that, a hundred times over, to get you elected, don't screw them over as soon as you move into the White House.

  •  Teddy has reasons to give up many times, good (2+ / 0-)
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    personal reasons after Jack and Bobby were murdered. He could have given up and got out of public service after his loss in 1980 in the primary, following his divorce, either time when his kids were diagnosed with cancer, after many events in his life. He truly had some good reason that people would have understood had he retired. Not even being diagnosed with terminal cancer could get him to ever stop fighting for what he believed in.

    I am reading Teddy's book now and I realize even more fully if Teddy never gave up , none of us should even consider that.  

    And Teddy never whined or spent much time worrying about lost elections, he got back to work.

  •  We Got Thumped (1+ / 0-)
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    for a variety of reasons.  None of them the weather.

    While Dean is correct in saying blamers are losers, let me be clear on what he DID NOT say.

    He did not say, "Never mind the reasons why we lost, that's for losers."

    Rationalizing the loss as a "blessing in disguise" is poppycock pablum, an ill-considered effort to palliate the situation rather than correct it.

    Only the politically immature will not analyze the MA Senatorial election in order to know why we lost it.  The politically mature will find out the reasons why we lost it, acknowledge them, and take steps to remedy mistakes made.

    Even the Kennedys lost elections.  But they learned from their losses and achieved election victories on the heels of those losses, creating a 60-year political dynasty that only just ended.

    We lost.  We need to take our punishment and our lessons from it.  That's the way we'll achieve future victories. The only way.

    "Give me but one firm spot to stand, and I will move the earth." -- Archimedes

    by Limelite on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:43:09 AM PST

  •  Looking for causes is useful. (2+ / 0-)
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    Looking for blame is not.
    There is a subtle difference between the two.

    When civilizations clash, barbarism wins.

    by Allogenes on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:46:33 AM PST

  •  They grow some pretty bad candidates in Mass... (1+ / 0-)
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    Let's see - Dukakis, Kerry and now Coakley.

    Did anyone hear Coakley's speech - "Wednesday Morning Quarterback" !!!!????

    1- Stupid Photo Op (Helmet)
    2 - Really stupid turn of a phrase ("I was for that bill before I was against it")
    3 - Really Really stupid multiple sports references in a sports obsessed town (way to play into the meme that the "common man" thinks you're an out of touch "elite")

    Cry about the media harping on these all you want - these candidates provided the soundbites.

    Note to self - use sports references correctly or not at all

    "War is sweet to those who do not fight" - Desiderius Erasmus (Ancient Aphorism)

    by Newspeak101 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 06:46:39 AM PST

  •   A Semi-Circular Firing Squad (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm all for blaming others when those others are clearly the ones at fault.
    In this case, innocent Americans, many of whom donated their time and/or money to the cause of Healthcare Reform, were fucked by almost every politician in Washington - Republican and Democrat, alike.
    And many of the hardest-working among us were vilified and crucified by the mob for even mentioning the fact that true Healthcare Reform was melting away faster than the poles (which, ironically, will be our next losing cause).
    Coakley is nothing more (or less) than an even duller version of Evan Bayh.  The fact that she is was allowed to be the standard-bearer candidate for a once great Senate seat is indeed an additional sad occurrence, but let's not forget that Ms Coakley's candidacy wasn't created in a vacuum.

  •  If you FAIL to recognize (3+ / 0-)
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    what really happened here - you'll consign the rest of the reform agenda to oblivion. Recognizing a problem is the 1st step to solving it...

    Reform right now Reform is tied to Dems, someday it might be us doing it, but I don't want bonehead party strategy to wreck our chances for generations to come...

    "I'm not a Maverick, but I used to drive one."

    by StephenLahanas on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:12:53 AM PST

    •  I had to vote "kinda"... (1+ / 0-)
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      For precisely that reason. Blame is only necessary if there is refusal to acknowledge mistakes. If we simply continue to avoid challenging bad decisions on behalf of leadership, the same exact thing is going to continue to happen. The frame that "this is because Dems are too far left" is wrong and has to be squashed, and if that requires assigning blame, well, then that's what we have to do.

      Slap happy is a platform.

      by averageyoungman on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:33:05 AM PST

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      •  Problem 1 - the wrong Bill (2+ / 0-)
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        Step 1 is re-tooling healthcare and getting rid of what the senate did - if passed it would lead to an entire Left/Right movement to repeal it - wrecking everything else for a decade...

        "I'm not a Maverick, but I used to drive one."

        by StephenLahanas on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:39:17 AM PST

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        •  Say hello to at least another 6 months of debate (0+ / 0-)

          At which point, we will be too close to the midterms to prevent a complete bloodbath. Not only do they have to fix the bill, they have to pass it quickly or it's going to be more than a generation.

          Slap happy is a platform.

          by averageyoungman on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:48:26 AM PST

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          •  Not with a straight forward Medicare expansion (0+ / 0-)

            Just because the folks running things were too dumb to get that the 1st time doesn't mean it isn't still perfectly valid and politically smart.

            "I'm not a Maverick, but I used to drive one."

            by StephenLahanas on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 08:07:33 AM PST

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          •  Makes no sense to pass it quickly (1+ / 0-)
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            if it sucks. It does sucks and fear of no health care 'reform' for generations does not mitigate the fact that this is not health care reform. Entrenching the insurance agency for generations is not the 'good' over the pure, and the voters are not going to buy this blackmail and cowardly defense of being the enforcers of the entity that's only function is extortion and blocking access to people right to affordable quality health care. Obma talked a lot about bamboozles and this one is a dilly. His rhetoric is brilliant but when it's connected to  to the reality that people have to live in. It doesn't ring true no matter how great the spokesman is.      

            •  I know (1+ / 0-)
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              My inner pessimist has a hard time imagining them being as hardcore as they need to be in order to make it happen is all. I mean, based on what we've seen so far, I think there's a fair chance we'd see exactly the same process play itself out.

              Slap happy is a platform.

              by averageyoungman on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 02:47:14 PM PST

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  •  i agree...stop balming and lets get to work! (0+ / 0-)
  •  On Motives (0+ / 0-)

    Here's where you know not to take someone seriously:

    Anybody who has claiming that the Senate's procedural rules (Fillibuster) was no excuse for us not to have Single Payer by now, who has switched gears to now attacking the President, the DNC, the DSCC for "losing us the sixtieth vote" (the one that up until now they've been acting like it didn't matter) doesn't have any real credibility on this issue.

    I have seen and heard enough from people who know and love Massachusetts to know what happened in this race.  The blame game is frequently as unnecessary as it is coutnerproductive, and this is one of those occasions.

  •  I agree with Dr. Dean, but GOTV was NOT the (1+ / 0-)
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    problem. Turnout was massive for both sides. The problem was that independents don't think Dems are much different than Repubs when it comes to serving corporations instead of real people.

    That's a perception problem exacerbated by quite a few dems.  We will not be able to get people to vote if we can't change that perception.  And the only way I can see changing that perception in the short time we have is pushing for major financial reform (even if it requires reconciliation to do it).  barring something like that, all the GOTV efforts in the world will fall well short.

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    by eparrot on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:37:17 AM PST

  •  Dean 2012 (0+ / 0-)

    He's playing it very carefully, but Dean surely is positioning himself "just in case" there is an opening to primary Obama.  Good for him.

  •  I disagree with the premise of the diary. (4+ / 0-)
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    Its unrealistic and wrong to blame all three losing candidates for their losses, while declaring it had absolutely nothing to do with anything Obama has done since he came into office.  

    The truth is that Obama was an anchor on Coakley, because of the Wall Street bailout, and his 100% Pure George W. Bush Style backroom dealings on healthcare and other policies.

    His sending Rahm to kill any portion of any bill that ever actually works to help people at the expense of corporations, whether it be purchasing drugs from Canada, or empowering bankruptcy judges to adjust our mortgages, etc.  

    Can I please have your attention. I've just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you to stop what you're doing and listen. CANNONBALL!

    by PJ Jefferson on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:57:26 AM PST

    •  I agree (4+ / 0-)
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      adigal, megisi, shaharazade, PJ Jefferson

      They lost a democratic seat in Mass for crying out loud!  Surely there are folks to blame and to remove from whatever position they had.

      You call it blame, I call it accountability.

      Coakley was a poor retail politician, Brown was good.

      Obama and Co. have demoralized the Dem base with bipartisan compromises all of which adopt GOP positions.

  •  Blame? O.K., Inventory Then - - (1+ / 0-)
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    A certain candidate ran on a platform of change.
    A certain party garnered support on the idea  of change.
    And precious little has been done in the past year.

    The president has not been out in front.
    Congressional leaders have not called out the Blue Dogs -
    Instead they have surrendered to them.

    In contrast to another recced diary -
    The Mass senate race may have started out local -
    But it became nationalized by the Goppers.
    (The only nationalization the Goppers will ever consider)
    Once that happened, the pickle couldn't become a cucumber again.

  •  Not time for pointing the blame? (0+ / 0-)

    This is all Dean's fault! If not for his leadership and 50-state stategy, we wouldn't have lost the 60th Dem senate seat because we wouldn't have had sixty to start with. And Coakley wouldn't have sat around watching the other guy beat her with campaign ads about his truck if those Dean wins hadn't made her feel so confident.

    We're just lucky that the current Democratic leadership does little and inspires no one.

  •  We do need to move forward. But to do so... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... we do need to address the problems.

    You can't fix a problem that has non-identified parameters.

    I agree that we need to find positive ways to push for the Democrats to stick to the planks of the platform.  But those who do not need to be held accountable.

    The American people expect those who they work to send to office to do at least some of what they were elected to do.  At some point, those in Washington need to run with the ball that we've struggled to give them.  If they do not, then we will see more losses.

    As voters, as doners, activists and volunteers, there is only so much that we can do.  We are a Republic, which means that we do not make the laws - we elect our representatives to do that.  Which means that all that we can do is try to push those we've elected to do what they were elected to do.

    In the end, Americans expect results; and failing results, they'll get behind those who fight hard.  The Democrats in power need to remember this when they are running their polling numbers, when they're balancing X dollars of lobbyist paid for advertising time with Y negative impact on their triangulated positions.

    The inadequate is the enemy of the necessary.

    by JRandomPoster on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 08:08:38 AM PST

  •  Now is the time to point fingers (0+ / 0-)

    If you can assign blame and causes, we're doomed to do this all over again.

  •  Publicly, it's the right ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... thing to do for him to say this. It's polite, it's decent, but, more importantly, it tamps down the brutality.

    Privately, and only because it's politics, you can guarantee that everyone ... everyone ... is looking at the results and naming names.

  •  I think we had better look at why Mass was lost (1+ / 0-)
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    I think it was lost because the Dems didn't do ENOUGH!!!
    Giveaway to bankers
    Giveaway to pharms
    HUGE giveaway to insurance companies in the health care bill
    No real help for homeowners, the uninsured.

    People feel neither party gives a damn about them, and you know what - they are right.

    This country is in a dangerous mood - if a charismatic populist shows up, even if he has the potential to be another Hitler, he will garner great support. Scary.

    My new bumper sticker: Palin-Satan '12

    by adigal on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 08:41:26 AM PST

  •  Tell Obama to stop blaming progressives (1+ / 0-)
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    for HIS lack of leadership.

    We voted for a man who was for change and fairness and justice. Instead we got a wuss who appeases his enemies, abandons his base and turns a blind eye to the corruption in Bush's team and Wall Street.

    I want my money back!

    Where's CANDIDATE Obama hiding these days?

    by Dems 2008 on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 09:13:26 AM PST

  •  Dean thinks he's being politic by not telling the (1+ / 0-)
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    And perhaps he's right.

    But that won't stop me.

    We are in too much trouble to pussyfoot around.

    America: our highest paid profession is thief.

    by Paul Goodman on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 09:27:46 AM PST

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