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Apologia for the short diary, but I really think this a fairly simple concept.  One that really needs to be the way forward in my opinion, though.

The thing is, that I supported the current Health Care Reform bill primarily because I recognized that the legislation could only have been as progressive as the last voted needed to secure its passage.  I'm a pragmatist, you see.  And when Joe Lieberman is your last vote... well, you're gonna get crappy legislation.  It was reality.  I dealt with it.  But thing is, reality changed tonight.  Joe Lieberman is just the piddly little 59th vote and I longer have to care about him because the Senate already passed a bill.  

The only people that can stop some form of health care reform now are progressives in the House.  See where I'm going with this?  Over the fold please...

I'd like to make something perfectly clear before I go on:  I am not a member of the Kill Bill crowd.  Before tonight's election I was of the opinion that we needed every one of the 60 vote caucus to pass anything.  I thought that what we got out the Senate was the best we could have reasonably expected from the most undemocratic "democratic" institutions on the face of the planet.  I'm a progress progressive and I believe in taking baby steps when giant leaps aren't available.  Whatchagonnado?

But the political equation has changed tonight.  The Senate has passed a bill.  HCR is in the hands of the House and they have a few options.  They can pass the Senate bill (almost a necessity because we can't prevent a Repbulican filibuster anymore), they can try get a conference going (almost certainly doomed to failure because the Republicans will filibuster and we can't stop them anymore), they can try to abolish the filibuster (almost certainly not going to happen because Harry Reid is the Major Leader), or... they can hold the Senate bill hostage and extract a reconcilation bill with the MedicAid expansion, a national exchange available on day one, and a Public Option.  Or so I think.  I've read so many conflicting reports that I honestly have no idea anymore what is and is not allowed under reconcilation.  But that's what we have parlimentarians for.  The Progressives need to sit down with whoever that is, find that bright shining line of what is allowed, and walk right up to it.  Then pass the Senate bill.
The most powerful people in the US Congress on HCR at this moment in time is the Progressive Caucus in the House.  It's time to play hardball and get what we've wanted all along.  Once we have that, feel free to pass the Senate HCR bill.  But not one second before we get ours.  

[Edit]: Added the bold on "Then pass the Senate bill."  to clarify that I do think the Senate bill should pass.  Just not before a reconciliation bill.  Going to bed now. G'night, peace unto you, blessed be, etc etc.

Originally posted to The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:29 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (10+ / 0-)

    "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

    by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:30:03 PM PST

    •  great point (1+ / 0-)
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      catchaz

      why should we care if the republicans
      are only in "NO" mode?
      My concern is that the Dems and
      Obama will throw up their hands and say
      "we tried" just like Clinton in 94.

      H.D. Thoreau "What's the use of a fine house if you haven't got a tolerable planet to put it on?" PRAER.org

      by wade norris on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:54:44 PM PST

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      •  That's why you don't DEFEAT the bill. (1+ / 0-)
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        standupguy

        You just hold it hostage.  Once the progressives have extracted their price, the Senate bill can be passed.  And if the progressives cave, it'll be pretty much status quo.  But we should at lest fight, ya know?

        "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

        by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:58:03 PM PST

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        •  The total complexion of the Senate bill can be (3+ / 0-)
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          Zinman, WisePiper, catchaz

          altered through reconciliation, making it MUCH MORE palatable to the voters .  I am of the opinion that there was never any real need for the 60 vote Senate following the passage of the Senate bill on Christmas eve. The House can pass the exact bill and have it signed as the law. AND FOLLOW THAT WITH SPECIFIC RECONCILIATION BILLS.  The Republicans are too late.

          Of course the Senate Bill should not be passed by the House unless the Senate and the House are totally in agreement on what "reconciliation" bill(s) will be passed by the House and Senate after the Christmas eve version is signed into law. The Senate and House Democrats and the parliamentarian and the vice president and Harry Reid must all agree to EXACTLY what the reconciliation bills will be and when they will be brought to the floor.  And some time after this is done a Public Option bill standing on its own WILL pass the Senate or the Republicans can wear the fact that they stopped it.

          And ALL of this can be done in the total light of day with every step well publicized because each and every piece MUST be what the public actually wants. (and what they wanted is pretty close to the original house bill).

          "I know no safe depository for the ultimate power of society but the people themselves" -- Jefferson

          by TheTrucker on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:30:29 PM PST

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          •  The one caveat I would add to your comment (0+ / 0-)

            is that the reconciliation bills get passed before the Senate bill.  It's our last best bargaining chip and I wouldn't risk the Senate screwing us on this.  

            "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

            by The Rational Hatter on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 03:09:58 AM PST

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  •  Keep dreaming (4+ / 0-)

    Progressives in the House need to drastically recalibrate their "wants." PO is beyond dead.

    They wanted a whole loaf, now they need to prepare for a half or realize they will never get any HCR.

    Voted proudly for Obama in spite of all the primary flame wars! Let's move on and support him!

    by GregNYC on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:34:54 PM PST

    •  Fine by me (9+ / 0-)

      as you see tonight progressives have finally found the spine to WALK AWAY!!! when presented with a shitty deal. Bye bye senate bill.

      That said I agree with the diarist, progressives have all the power right now and should kill the bill or force reconciliation to get PO+ medicare BEFORE they pass the senate bill.

      However killing the bill should be squarely on the table of negotiations, just like it was with conservedems.

      The Baucus caucus is quite raucus and in the end will fauckus.Obama...change we can make believe in.

      by FistJab on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:37:59 PM PST

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      •  Yeah yeah (2+ / 0-)
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        rian90, I said GOOD DAY sir

        Yeah I've heard the Firedoglake strategy you are repeating ad nauseum. It's pretty shitty IMO.

        You kill the bill you will get nothing. This is about saving lives, not a quest for PO and/or single payer.

        Voted proudly for Obama in spite of all the primary flame wars! Let's move on and support him!

        by GregNYC on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:45:08 PM PST

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        •  Like I said (3+ / 0-)
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          rick, catchaz, LHB

          Fine by me, no bill is better than a shitty bill.
          It is not like our HC crisis is just going to go away because we didn't pass a bad bill. it will come up again sometime in the future.

          The Baucus caucus is quite raucus and in the end will fauckus.Obama...change we can make believe in.

          by FistJab on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:54:05 PM PST

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          •  I really really hope this isnt our last (0+ / 0-)

            shot for a decade+

            The status quo is killing people.

            "Corporate America decides which speech is free, and which isn't" Mike Malloy

            by rexymeteorite on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:55:46 PM PST

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            •  Dont think so (1+ / 0-)
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              The Rational Hatter

              the rate of HC inflation has been exploding recently and will keep doing so. At this rate either the insurance market collapses in less than 10 years or has to be seriously reformed in that period. it will come up again sooner that many think IMO..

              that is if we cant get 'er done right now with reconciliation+PO

              The Baucus caucus is quite raucus and in the end will fauckus.Obama...change we can make believe in.

              by FistJab on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:01:36 PM PST

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              •  I dunno (0+ / 0-)

                I am really really nervous about this whole thing.

                "Corporate America decides which speech is free, and which isn't" Mike Malloy

                by rexymeteorite on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:04:27 PM PST

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              •  Agree with your point in this comment. (0+ / 0-)

                However... as sound as the point is, delay in any sort of reform effort, imperfect or not, does kill people.  

                The Senate bill sucks.  I don't know anyone who would argue that.  But killing this bill does result in American lives lost.  I see the argument that a bad bill might slow the deaths but extend the time it takes to get real reform, thus killing more net  people than coming back with real reform.

                But the above thought process neglects 1)the fact that it's unlikely we get anything close to the Senate bill anytime soon and 2)the very real tradgedy of the people who will die before real reform is enacted that maybe didn't have to.  

                Better to grab the Senate by the short and curlies and get what you can now then actually kill the bill.

                "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

                by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:08:21 PM PST

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                •  Strongly disagree (1+ / 0-)
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                  standupguy

                  I thought you were going a different angle in your diary? I am STRONGLY opposed to the senate bill unless we can get PO/medicare expansion with it via reconciliation FIRST. no more russes.

                  The senate bill is so unpopular (hello MA?), unsellable and will be repealable (politically) if passed with such dismal approval ratings. you seem to forget repugs can gut the subsidies, medicare expansions or anything budgetary (by arguing the fiscal point of view no less) via reconciliation if they take power in 2012 or later.. that is even before the bill takes effect.

                  The Baucus caucus is quite raucus and in the end will fauckus.Obama...change we can make believe in.

                  by FistJab on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:14:54 PM PST

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                  •  I don't completely hate the Senate bill. (0+ / 0-)

                    It's got some decent sections in it.  Things that I would be over the moon about if they became law. Killing the bill has it's upsides.  But mostly I see downside. It really will knee cap the Obama administration and there are other things than HCR.  

                    Honestly, my hope is that we see the face of Republican obstructionism for the next year or so.  That'll put a damper on their approval ratings (I hope).  

                    But, no.  I think killing marquee legislation when you have 60 59 votes signals weakness.  And the American public doesn't much care for weakness.  It's not a good idea.

                    "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

                    by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:22:39 PM PST

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                  •  diarest said reconciliation 1st? (1+ / 0-)
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                    FistJab

                    ...what is and is not allowed under reconcilation.  But that's what we have parlimentarians for.  The Progressives need to sit down with whoever that is, find that bright shining line of what is allowed, and walk right up to it.  Then pass the Senate bill.
                    The most powerful people in the US Congress on HCR at this moment in time is the Progressive Caucus in the House.  It's time to play hardball and get what we've wanted all along.  Once we have that, feel free to pass the Senate HCR bill.  But not one second before we get ours.  

                    isn't the diarest saying get reconcilliation done 1st? or simultaneously?

                    secession = treason. Haters are Traitors!

                    by catchaz on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:50:59 PM PST

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          •  Non chalant (1+ / 0-)
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            The Rational Hatter

            Is not the attitude to have when this means life or death for people.

            Voted proudly for Obama in spite of all the primary flame wars! Let's move on and support him!

            by GregNYC on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12:30 PM PST

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          •  No Bill is Better Than a Shitty Bill... (0+ / 0-)

            to restate FistJab's major point.  Also, as he/she notes, the totally unfounded conventional wisdom that this issue won't be revisited for "a generation" is ridiculous.  The current rate of increase of health care costs is unsustainable.  Real Health Care Reform will involve more than just reforming the way in which it is paid for.  The lousy Senate Bill basically enshrines the disastrous "for profit" private insurance model for a long time to come, and suggests that we leave it at that.  That's not half a loaf, it's just a few crumbs spilled on the floor.

        •  Single payer (0+ / 0-)

          would save more lives than this bill.  And keep millions out of bankruptcy too

    •  If they only had a spine... (5+ / 0-)
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      zeke L, Zinman, standupguy, LtMarechal, FistJab

      The only thing standing in between the HCR bill becoming law is the Democrats in the House.  This administration is desperate for a bill, any bill. If the Progressives in the House ever had an oportunity to extract any sort of deal from the "moderates" in the Senate and the Obama adminstration (whom I love, but have really kind of been a let down from a Progressive stand point), now is the time.

      "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

      by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:40:51 PM PST

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      •  Like a prescient commenter said earlier (1+ / 0-)
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        The Rational Hatter

        The progressives have drawn 10 lines in the sand and have backtracked over every one.

        Educate yourself about budget reconciliation here

        by I said GOOD DAY sir on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:46:55 PM PST

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        •  I personally think the House Progressives did (1+ / 0-)
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          standupguy

          a decent job.  And even if they haven't now is the time for them to redeem themselves.  Or make 2010 a referendum on the Public Option.  I prefer the first option but the second would definately motivate alot of the base.

          "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

          by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:49:16 PM PST

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        •  This time (1+ / 0-)
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          standupguy

          defiantly feels different, if MA can go red when the base stays home who's to say barny's or Weiners jobs are safe if they keep caving to conservedems?

          They may finally be feeling the heat and getting the message that NO ONE can escape accountability. Personally I vote to primary every progressive dem if they just rammed the senate bill, if they win the primary they ain't getting my vote because they double crossed their pledges and were spineless.

          The Baucus caucus is quite raucus and in the end will fauckus.Obama...change we can make believe in.

          by FistJab on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:58:36 PM PST

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          •  Come on now. Always vote Dem in a GE. (1+ / 0-)
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            Zinman

            Primaries for all - regardless of whether or not they "deserve" it - sure.  But never make it easier for Republican to get into office, you know that...

            "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

            by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:10:08 PM PST

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    •  Exactly.. (0+ / 0-)

      Health Care Reform is on life support and if it goes down..any chance of an agenda will go with it..

      The Repugs will run on a platform of "We Killed It"

      Every Dem who tried in vain to pass a bill will be targeted and if a Dem loses in Ma..they will lose anywhere..

      I just fail to see the up side to this..and for some here to be actually gleeful..is amazing..

      Hey progressives..I just watched as a "Tea Bagger" was elected in Ma..and your talking about a progressive with a bargaining chip..Dream on indeed..

  •  I swear to god if the House or the Senate Delays (3+ / 0-)

    any further....................

    get. it. signed. go. back. later.

    •  That's an argument that I respect, for sure. (1+ / 0-)
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      standupguy

      But we need to understand that going back later probably won't be until we have 60 again. The GOP just isn't going to pass anything that would be signed by a Democrat, let alone affective legislation.  And we aren't likely to get 60 again until 2012 at the earliest.  

      Holding the Senate bill hostage doesn't change much as long as they eventually do pass it.

      "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

      by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:52:13 PM PST

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    •  I am so afraid... (5+ / 0-)

      that we will end up with nothing. My kids can't wait any longer. My son who has scoliosis will need his own policy soon and we can't afford to get him one. I wonder if he will ever get insurance. He is not the kind of kid that will make lots of money some day..and after spending his first four years in foster care, he is afraid to take chances. So my son will end up one of the statistics, unable to pay for insurance, unable to get it due to a pre-existing condition and we won't be able to help him as well as my parents who are struggling with rising property taxes that are pricing them out of their home.

      Something has to give, folks. Real people are suffering..and at least my husband has a job and my kids are healthy at the moment. There are many who have it worse and will die if we wait until its perfect.

  •  Progressives need to pass the Senate bill (5+ / 0-)

    It's a good bill and I for one am sick of their bad mouthing of it.  We are now in a position where we have very little margin for error and a heightened sense of urgeny.  We need to pass the bill now.  If progressives abandon the President on this legislation, then the party will lose the Congress entirely and teabaggers will soon run the government.  It really is that simple.  A half a loaf is a good thing, and this Senate bill does a lot more than just that.  

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:47:43 PM PST

    •  Don't abandon the Senate bill! (1+ / 0-)
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      perkinwarbek

      Just make sure that progressives are somewhat satisfied by the reconciliation process before they pass the Senate bill.  At least force a floor vote in the Senate.  If they lose, cave.  They're good at that...

      "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

      by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:53:51 PM PST

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    •  it's not a good bill (5+ / 0-)
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      rick, catchaz, standupguy, Johnny Q, FistJab

      It locks in everyone to a proven failed system, and does nothing to honestly protect them. Same shit, forced sandwich. Seriously. This is not a half loaf, it is taking bread AWAY. Fiefdoms sound good in the short term because you get shelter, food and protection. But you're still a fucking serf.

      LoadedOrygun.net--Oregon's Progressive Community

      by torridjoe on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:59:46 PM PST

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      •  It will help some people! (2+ / 0-)
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        boofdah, The Rational Hatter

        Isn't that something? I am so sick of people allowing some to suffer to get everything. My son will suffer...and he is one of millions. Do you care nothing about them?

        •  I'd just like to point out... (3+ / 0-)
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          boofdah, WisePiper, standupguy

          I know you're talking to torridjoe here, but I agree with you.  I am not suggesting that Progressives in the House actually kill the bill.  That's dumb.  

          What I am suggesting here is that Progressives use the bill as a bargaining chip to get a better deal for your son and all Americans... and then pass the Senate bill.  Very different things.  

          The Senate bill would benefit my family too and I do support it.  This is just a real politique perspective on the new dynamics in the US Congress.

          "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

          by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:17:39 PM PST

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          •  We lost the window to do more bargaining (0+ / 0-)

            when Coakley lost.  It's the President's way or the highway to an historic defeat in 2010.

            Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

            by khyber900 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:29:49 PM PST

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            •  No, the window OPENED with Coakley's defeat. (5+ / 0-)

              For the first time the House is truly in the cat bird's seat.  An amended bill can NOT go back to the Senate now, because it will be filibustered.  HCR hinges on approval of the existing Senate bill by the House.  They are in a perfect position to demand acceptable pre-negotiated reconciliation commitments in exchange for that vote.

              I am not being casual about all this.  Failure to pass HCR is a death sentence for me.  I have a pre-existing condition that I can't presently get coverage for.  I KNOW what's at stake here.

              But, we finally have a real opportunity to improve this bill.  Let's not throw that opportunity away.

              Yes, I know President Palin would be a disaster, and I do understand the ponies are on back order. Now, what the fuck was your point again?

              by WisePiper on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 12:02:28 AM PST

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        •  I care, that's why it's not a good bill (0+ / 0-)

          Your son should not suffer by being forcibly placed into a system that will overcharge him and deny him coverage, and leave his benefits exposed to further cuts. That's what this bill would do.

          LoadedOrygun.net--Oregon's Progressive Community

          by torridjoe on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:46:39 PM PST

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      •  It's not only a good bill, it is a great bill (0+ / 0-)

        a bill that eliminates pre-existing conditions, creates exchanges, provides subsidies, eliminates rescission, expands medicaid eligibility and provides funding for community health clinics is a great bill.

        To not pass such a bill would be arrogant and foolhardy.

        Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

        by khyber900 on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:28:51 PM PST

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        •  doesn't touch recission (0+ / 0-)

          There is nothing in the bill that changes the status quo on recission. Insurers may and will continue to cut people off, without recourse. Read the bill. It simply reflects the current situation on recission, without change.

          And they may eliminate pre-existing conditions--you just won't be able to afford the insurance under the terms to get it, because of your pre-existing condition.

          LoadedOrygun.net--Oregon's Progressive Community

          by torridjoe on Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 01:48:24 PM PST

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    •  hell (1+ / 0-)
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      jethrock

      no.

      The Baucus caucus is quite raucus and in the end will fauckus.Obama...change we can make believe in.

      by FistJab on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:02:52 PM PST

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    •  Pass Senate Bill = Teabaggers Win (0+ / 0-)

      I can't believe this isn't clear to everyone.  The thing that motivated the teabaggers to organize, if you'll recall, was TARP and related programs extending welfare to the financial sector.  They were legislative successes but political disasters.  

      I can't penetrate the minds of people who think passing this Bill will represent some kind of victory.  Substantively it's horrible, and I can't think of how a single Dem could run succesfully by touting the role they played in it's passage.  It's a disaster from every conceivable angle.  

  •  Sometimes ones clearest (3+ / 0-)

    ideas are formed from a drunken state.

    I'd say you did pretty damn well here.

    Expose the lies. Fight for the truth. Push progressive politics. Save our planet. Health care is a right, not a privilege.

    by lighttheway on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 10:48:49 PM PST

    •  the only problem is (1+ / 0-)
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      catchaz

      there may be nothing left to hold hostage. If the support for the bill craters on fear, their votes will mean nothing--the bill will die, and no further effort will be undertaken.

      LoadedOrygun.net--Oregon's Progressive Community

      by torridjoe on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:00:43 PM PST

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      •  HCR will not be delayed, imo. (1+ / 0-)
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        catchaz

        It's not a matter of political will anymore.  It's a function of GDP.

        If this bill fails, we'll be back within a few years out of necessity if nothing else.

        "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

        by The Rational Hatter on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12:07 PM PST

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  •  Passing the Senate HCR Bill is the equivalent (4+ / 0-)
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    catchaz, LHB, standupguy, LtMarechal

    Of passing a Climate Change Bill and Letting the Coal Industry write two thirds of the legislation... and the Senators from coal states write the rest.

    Then enact provisions that guarantee that Big Coal's profits will be protected and backed by the US Taxpayer.

  •  Lawrence O'Donnell nailed it.. (0+ / 0-)

    He sees no chance for health care..It is dead and the problem he says is with a bill..the country could have seen some benefits..With no bill the Repugs will take the credit for killing the bill..

    Perception of the non-bill will become worse and the Dems will pay a stiff price..Like losing the House..Senate..and maybe the Presidency..

    •  All People See is the Mandate... (0+ / 0-)

      with no measure to stimulate competition and reduce costs on the supply side.  On the contrary, passage of this Bill will cost Democrats the House, Senate and Presidency.  Insofar as politics is NOT local, why do you think Brown won in Mass.?

  •  I want some of what you're smoking (0+ / 0-)
    If you think that the cowardly Dems will pass anything via reconciliation then you are truly delusional. After tonight's election the gutless Dems are going to abandon ship and run away from HCR as fast as their flip-floping feet will carry them. Senators Webb & Bayh have already started the flip-flop stampede. HCR is dead. RIP.
  •  As a union steward and activist,... (0+ / 0-)

    If the only option is to pass the Senate bill as is and leave it at that, then I'm joining the 'kill the bill' crowd.

    If through procedural tricks the compromise worked out between labor and the WH can be inserted, then I'll hold my nose and support it.

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