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It's a good thing that the trial is being moved out of Manhattan, NYC.  The probable traffic snarl would make Manhattan impassable.  If you have a meeting in Manhattan, it's a good idea to be in Manhattan the day of the meeting instead of trying to get into Manhattan.  Once when I was staying in Cherry Hill, New Jersey and I had to get on The Island; it took forever.  Some are suggesting an adjacent island, Governor's Island with its Williams Castle  be the venue.

The congestion from the everyday population is stifling enough.

With the 9/11 trial that would be compounded by media, microwave trucks, journalists from all over the world.  And tourists.  Yes, there's always a gapper's block of rubberneckers at every spectacle.   There are sure to be street vendors, trying to make a dollar from the traffic.  Most importantly, how would Manhattan be secured with all that additional traffic?

I would move the trial to the International Space Station.  Seriously.

I know you don't get it and have serious concerns for my sanity.

OK, I'll be the Mad Woman of Kos.  I can live with this.

If the trial is held in the Space Station it's good for a number of reasons.

  1. Location, location, location!  Nothing beats space to get that global perspective, our earth - our spaceship earth (coined by Buckminster Fuller) invisibly suspended and spinning, a huge blue-green marble.  The view is priceless!  Space is the once in a lifetime experience.  A change of perspective, an 'attitude adjustment' takes place with that kind of experience/education.
  1. Brevity.  No one is going to want to be in space any longer than they have to be.  Space, for all its glamour is basically inhospitable.  Beginning with the simplest things of all: the activities of daily living like, eating, drinking, digesting, defecating/urinating, hygiene - keeping clean, etc.  We get down to basics, no messing around when you essentially are all living on life support.
  1. It's never been done!  All the reason more to do it, to have this trial in space, because we, the United States of America, are the first space-faring nation.  We are the good guys and the world needs to be reminded that even if we have some cruel and stupid humans among us, we as a Nation are good.  And on 9/11, good and innocent people were killed.  
  1.  The whole world will be watching.  The whole world will be watching this trial.  We might as well make this trial, the trial of the century.  And we will control the message, because we are that good.

Other options have been floated. Riker's Island.  Williams Castle off of New York City

But I'm all for the 9/11 trial to be held in space.  A Federal Court is wherever a Federal Judge presides.  A Federal Judge could preside in a Court held on the International Space Station.

The trial would be quick.  When Catholic Bishops vote for a new Pope, they intentionally make it unpleasant so that the voters get to the heart of the matter and out of Vatican City, ASAP.  Washington, D.C. was deliberately build in a swamp, to dissuade the emergence of a large Federal government and its inevitable lobbyists.  (Okay, bad example, that did not work out, but our Founding Father's hearts and minds were in the right place.  "A Man For All Seasons" tangentially spoke to the evils of lobbyists.)

BTW, the International Space Station has been continuously habitated for 10 years with various crews.  Its capacity is 25 along with lots of scientific testing equipment.  Its capacity might be more than doubled with the removal of the test equipment.  

With a trial in the International Space Station, the trial would be winnowed to its essence.

Originally posted to Aidos on Sat Jan 30, 2010 at 10:05 AM PST.


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    •  Move it to Wasilla, Alaska (1+ / 0-)
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      Now that would make a great reality TV Show.  The Perky, Mavericky citizens of Wasilla judge the 9/11 terrorists.  

      ...someday - the armies of bitterness will all be going the same way. And they'll all walk together, and there'll be a dead terror from it. The Grapes of Wrath

      by deepsouthdoug on Sat Jan 30, 2010 at 10:16:46 AM PST

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  •  I don't mind it being moved... (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, Aidos

    It simply didn't make financial sense.  I liked the message it sent, but practically it probably wasn't the most well thought out idea.  Of course the GOP will say they won, but what did they win?  Admitted they're chicken shit and run on fear?

    As with the closing of Gitmo, now you're going to have every Red State come out and say "We don't want a trial here", just to further politicize the issue.  

    Can you have a civilian trial on a military base? Who would be the jury of KSM's peers? New Yorkers? Citizens of whichever State holds the trial?

    Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

    by Jonze on Sat Jan 30, 2010 at 10:11:58 AM PST

    •  I think the whole thing is ridiculous. (1+ / 0-)
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      The idea that a lot of money needs to be spent is just fucking stupid. It's nothing but paranoid freakism. The guy could be tried with no more than mildly enhanced procedures. I doubt any New Yorkers would have paid attention to any of it.

      This is why I say future presidents will learn the most important lesson from this whole business: just shoot them dead on the battlefield or whenever you encounter them. Otherwise, the ridiculous will prevail.

  •  My nominee? Fort Jefferson, Dry Tortugas Key (2+ / 0-)
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    Perfect location.  A U.S. government facility that is a short helo ride from Gitmo.   An isolated fortress island that can be defended from the air and sea.  Plenty of prison cells (they were good enough for Jefferson Davis).   On U.S. soil, but isolated enough to provide some space between the trial venue and densely populated residential areas.   Whaddaya' say?

    Strength of character does not consist solely of having powerful feelings, but in maintaining one's balance in spite of them - Clausewicz

    by SpamNunn on Sat Jan 30, 2010 at 10:13:39 AM PST

    •  Spam, too CLUB MED, it should be CLUB FED! (0+ / 0-)

      If Pauley Shore is on the jury, we could have a hung jury, for years.  It has to be both unpleasant and pleasant.  I want a swift, transparent, cut to the chase, heart of the matter, trial.

      This trial could become ugly or comical, or dark comedy.  It's like Pauly Shore's horrid movie, Jury Duty.  

      This island could become a honeymoon destination or another Camp Hyatt.  

  •  Anywhere there's a federal court (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, Aidos

    Other nearby cities have offered to host the trial, and I don't see anything wrong with that---except that you'd have to choose among many ailing cities in NY state who would love the traffic and publicity.

    It would be a different matter if everyone was raising Hell about having it in their back yard, but there are cities who would love the opportunity to host the trial, that are easily accessible to the media.

    •  Caj, ANYWHERE a Fed Judge sits, is a Fed Court. (0+ / 0-)

      A Federal Courtroom is not like a Church, a sacred space annointed for the purpose of judging Federal cases.  Anywhere a Federal Judge and the jury, park their collective patootie, is a Federal Court.  They can park themselves in the Space Station.  That's my vote.

  •  Um, about the brevity thing (1+ / 0-)
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    there are quite a few of us who would love to go to space permanently. I gotta disagree that its inhospitable.  Its only inhospitable if you don't try to understand it.  

    Can't say whether KSM would like it or not.  

    •  Ah, hello Ferris! I love your dream. eom. (0+ / 0-)
    •  Ferris, my thread is tangled on this diary, but, (0+ / 0-)

      in the mid 80's I was a the 1st Space Nursing Conference with my mentors, under the leadership of Martha Rogers, RN and educator.  We were guests of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, Rocket City, and the MSFC (Marshall Space Flight Center).  We had doctors from NASA Life Sciences in Houston as our guests and we had representatives from the both the Challenger Committee and the Space Shuttle crew committee present.

      We were RNs who were bidding on the position of being the 1st civilian in space.  That honor was bestowed on Christa McAuliffe who was on the sadly ill-fated Space Shuttle Challenger mission that ended in disaster and occurred on January 28, 1986.

      Space is challenging.  It's not a tropical island, it's not even as hospitable as Antarctica.  Because in space, you don't have air to breath.  There's no air.  We have to make the air we need to breath in order to stay alive.  I think that NOT having air, makes space challenging and inhospitable.  But that means that the people who are spacefarers are better people, because they literally have to fight for/work for, every breath.

      Ferris, thanks for reading the diary.  I was being sincere, this was not a snarky diary and your vote for the space station venue has made my day!

  •  YAY, someone else voted for the SPACE STATION! (0+ / 0-)

    I wonder if Vladimir is back.

  •  Thank you for visiting my diary, I'm going back (0+ / 0-)

    to bed.  

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