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  •  Bootleg Greenroots: (5+ / 0-)

    Part of an on-going series:

    Tortoises and sea lions

    Photos, memories and teaching.

    •  Oh, great. We live across... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BachFan, dotalbon

      ...the street from one of the larger Jewish populations in the country in Livingston, NJ.  Neither Debbie nor I have ever had mumps.

      •  Were you vaccinated? (1+ / 0-)
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        dotalbon

        "Life is short, drink the good wine!" - OQ

        by OtterQueen on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:28:24 PM PST

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      •  Isn't this something we've all been vaccinated (1+ / 0-)
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        dotalbon

        against? Isn't it spreading in these populations because they don't believe in vaccines? Here's a link to a page about the MMR vaccine and adult vaccination info: linky.

        "Women shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of women." droogie6655321

        by earicicle on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:28:45 PM PST

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      •  You must have had an MMR (3+ / 0-)
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        BachFan, earicicle, dotalbon

        It covers mumps(paromyxovirus),measles, rubella (german measles).

        In order to go to school and then probably to teach school your MMR would have to be up to date.

        I think you're OK!

        Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.

        by vcmvo2 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:32:28 PM PST

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        •  There has been no requirement... (2+ / 0-)
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          Caj, vcmvo2

          ...that I have ever heard of for college professors to be vaccinated for anything.

          •  Check immediately (0+ / 0-)

            with your primary care physician. My rheumatologist insists that I get vaccinated for some things since I'm on immunosuppression drugs. I got the swine flu this fall before the vaccine was available and I was very sick even with Tamiflu, but my MD made me get out of bed and get the regular flu vaccine because I needed to begin to build immunity before it became prevalent.

            It seemed counterintuitive to me while I was still sick but he was adamant so I did it and I haven't gotten sick since.

            So please check!

            Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.

            by vcmvo2 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:21:17 PM PST

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        •  I also was exposed to rubella... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...but I was a sophomore in high school then, in 1964.  That was again before the vaccine existed.

          •  When you had your transgender surgery (0+ / 0-)

            did they check for titers?  I don't know the protocls for that. But if you were exposed to german measles you could have had a sub-clinical case. That happens a lot - especially with chicken pox - But check Robyn, you've been too sick lately and you don't need another infection.

            Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.

            by vcmvo2 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:32:26 PM PST

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        •  Started vaccinating too late for me ... (1+ / 0-)
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          vcmvo2

          I had measles when I was a kid and again (different version) in college. Probably never was vaccinated against them ... unless when I was pregnant?

           

          We already have "death panels". They are called health insurance companies.

          by ohiolibrarian on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:55:13 PM PST

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          •  Hmm... (0+ / 0-)

            Did you have german measles, or mumps?

            I had all three as a kid but I needed to have that certified later for High School (?) so my family doctor ceritfied it. He was still around. But today they freak out, my daughter actually had measles at 15 months old. But she needed to get the mumps and rubella vaccination separately for protection against those. However, in order to prove it to the schools and this occurred in elementary and middle school the doctor needed to prove it to the county board of health by getting blood titers to prove she had had measles. Elevated level of antibodies in the blood (titers) can show whether you've had something and just never knew it. Kids can forget a lot of things and records weren't as well maintained as now.

            Look in to up dating vaccs also tetanus should be updated every 10 years.

            Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike.

            by vcmvo2 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:28:58 PM PST

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  •  On gays in the military. . . (5+ / 0-)
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    oceanview, LNK, allie123, dotalbon, OtterQueen

    My diary today is On gays in the military - two columnists, two arguments ... and more

    The two columnists are Frank Rich  and Kathleen Parker.   I use their columns as a starting point to discuss DADT and more, and include in addition MIldred Loving, Jim Webb, Barry Goldwater, my students, and my own experience.

    I invite you to read.

    Peace.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:09:34 PM PST

  •  Sarah tells Wallace that a "run is possible" (7+ / 0-)

    Please, Sarah---go for it.   Your Republican rivals alone will chew you up and spit you out!!!!

  •   Have you participated yet? (7+ / 0-)

    Last Night's Daily kOscars™ Nominations diary is still open!

    Daily kOscars™ Nominations Part 2

    If there are nominees in the comments sections that you like, be sure to recommend the comment or else they will note advance to the final vote.

    Also, Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse, bless her heart, has volunteered to handle the realm of comments. PDNC subsequently also graciously volunteered to add the Dairy Series categories to the comments diaries. There will be at least 2 or 3 sub-categories with both the series & comments. Her 1st "Daily kOscars™ Nominations for Series/Comments" diary should appear early this week.

    Finally, I might post a fresh nomination diary later today. Perhaps after the Super Bowl, or after it is a blowout if that happens. We need to ensure the drunk vote is represented too!
    ;-)

    The best way to save the planet is to keep laughing!

    by LaughingPlanet on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:09:52 PM PST

  •  Watching the snow fly here in North Dakota (7+ / 0-)

    Go Vikings errrr Saints

    Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore

    by Horsehead on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:05 PM PST

  •  The Tebow ad is real lame (8+ / 0-)

    Focus on the Family low-keyed it, see the crappy quality video below:

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:15 PM PST

  •  stupid Tebow ad was obvious red herring (3+ / 0-)
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    just watched it on HuffPo - really nothing to complain about:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    I ♥ President Barack Obama

    by ericlewis0 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:20 PM PST

  •  OK, which is funnier (3+ / 0-)
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    -- Sarah's crib notes, or Dubya's "Box?  What Box?" electronic device during the 2004 Presidential Debates?  

    I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. (John Cage)

    by dotalbon on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:24 PM PST

  •  I swear to god. (3+ / 0-)
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    Sarah Palin is a moron. But, I can understand her reasoning, although half-assed. Often in times of war, incumbents can win re-election easier (see Bush, G.W.).

  •  Who dat?! (8+ / 0-)

    NOLA.com:

    New Orleans Saints excitement hits the streets with second-line with photos of the Camel Toe Lady Steppers and more.

    On Super Bowl Sunday, churches filled with black and gold worshippers

    "The devil made me buy this dress!" Geraldine Jones/ Flip Wilson

    by BlueJessamine on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:33 PM PST

  •  Even More Palin News (11+ / 0-)

    She says it was OK for Rush to say retarded, but not Rahm.  It's one of those things where you can only say it if you are one.

    Clings to Music and Yankee Spring Training

    by Mro on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:46 PM PST

    •  Well, it's been well known (3+ / 0-)
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      for some time now that Sarah herself refers to her own baby as her "retarded baby," via several sources close to her, including Levi Johnston. Yet the only media outlet sthat dare report that are The Insider and Kathy Griffin? OK, I understand that before the Rahm-gate, it was just gossip, but now it's a fair point to consider seeing what a news story she had to make Rahm's comments into.

      When I say her "retarded baby", I'm quoting HER! Sarah Palin said it about her youngest. Jeez, don't you guys watch "The Insider"?? XO, K  -  Kathy Griffin on Twiiter

      I wonder if Sarah's heart breaks every time she tells her aides to bring her her "retarded baby?"

      -8.50, -7.64 "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was within me an invincible summer." - Camus

      by croyal on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:23:31 PM PST

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  •  I got registered over at (4+ / 0-)

    Little Green Footballs a couple of weeks ago when he opened registration up for about an hour.

    The comments over there are enough to give a person hope for the future.

    They admire Obama's intelligence (if not always approving his policies).

    They think Palinocchio is just. plain. nuts.

    I keep telling a very freaked-out mrcreek that the people who looooove this woman actually are in a minority, not the majority of folks they keep claiming to be.

    When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat. George Carlin

    by smileycreek on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:11:35 PM PST

  •  Who Dat? (17+ / 0-)

    Dat is the Saints coming to knock Peyton off his pedestal.

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:11:37 PM PST

  •  "Alaskan Palm Pilot" (11+ / 0-)

    I'm still chuckling!

    "Life is short, drink the good wine!" - OQ

    by OtterQueen on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:11:55 PM PST

  •  Is The Tea Party Neo Fascist? I'm Pretty Sure (5+ / 0-)

    We compare them to Umberto Eco's 14 point checklist, based on his experiences growing up under Mussolini in Tea Party At Nuremberg.

  •  How come we know more about Harold Ford's (5+ / 0-)

    pedicure than we know about where he stands on the issues important to New Yorkers?

    "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this...I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over." ~ HAL

    by LuLu on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:13:28 PM PST

  •  so I hear there's a football game today (8+ / 0-)

    or something . . . .

    Shout out to all the non-sports-fans out there.   :)

    Dem Party Motto: "Hey, at least we're better than nothing!"

    by Lenny Flank on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:13:33 PM PST

    •  Just got back from Costco (6+ / 0-)

      "Hey honey, the parking lot is FULL!"

      Duh ...

      I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. (John Cage)

      by dotalbon on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:15:46 PM PST

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      •  The problem with Costco (4+ / 0-)
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        is you end up buying more stuff than you know what to do with, if you don't have a list and stick to it.

        My parents-in-law keep a stock of canned and packaged goods outside so they don't have to shop as often -- but when we were looking through some of the items, we came across the big tubs of oatmeal...one dated for 2004. (Spouse and I cleaned out the refrigerators yesterday while they're in extended medical care; next project will be the garage and pantry.)

        Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

        by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:30:10 PM PST

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        •  Heh. (4+ / 0-)

          I, for one, LOVE Costco. But I buy only what I need. One of my key DAILY staples: the 10 lb box of Quaker Oatmeal! I pour some into a smaller container to scoop it out of for daily use, of course. But I eat it about 28/30 days a month! Just had to restock this week!

          Keeping you in my thoughts as you care for your family...

          XOXO,
          ear

          "Women shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of women." droogie6655321

          by earicicle on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:35:01 PM PST

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          •  Thanks (2+ / 0-)
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            It's just a matter of one step at a time.

            I wonder if some of that overshopping may have been an early sign of the dementia he now has -- there are about three of those giant oatmeal jugs out there, and it's been just the two of them for the past several years so I wonder if it's just a question of forgetting what they have out there. Probably the thing to do is to start an inventory of what we do end up keeping, a list of items and expiration dates, then go over every so often and get rid of the expiring stuff and bring in new items (much of the items are staples, like broths they use in cooking, beans, high-fiber cereals, and peanut butter -- stuff like that.

            It's not so bad if you're getting items that don't have expiration dates (toilet paper, paper towels, stuff like that) -- it's the food items you really have to watch out for especially if you're a small family. A three-pound jar of peanut butter doesn't do much good if you have to throw half of it out before you finish it.

            Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

            by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:50:46 PM PST

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            •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

              My sis just had to clean out my stepmother's pantry when she & my dad moved. Thousands of dollars worth of expired food--five and six opened boxes of the same item. But dementia wasn't the issue...pathological disorganization + hoarding + Marie Antoinette attitude towards my dad's money. Disgusting to say the least.

              I think helping them keep organized with lists--what they have, what they need--even helping them plan meals would be great ideas. And if there's just two of them, there probably isn't much that they need in Costco-sized quantities. Or you could do your Costco shopping together, and split quantities of larger things (you take three avocados, they take two, for example). Make it a fun outing--but that way, you also help prevent them from getting stuff they don't need.

              "Women shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of women." droogie6655321

              by earicicle on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:11:56 PM PST

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              •  The canned goods aren't really a problem (1+ / 0-)
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                because I know when they buy a case of items, they'll keep about two or three cans and give the rest to the food closet. And just getting into the financials but money is not going to be a problem either. But after dealing with clearing out my mom's house after she passed, if we can get things under control now it'll make things easier in the long run.

                Eventually they'll probably have to move to a smaller and safer place, but we'd like to keep them at home as long as possible; the local senior center is sending someone over on Wednesday to look over the place and make suggestions; Mom's coming home from the nursing center for a day to help, and I'm planning to be there as well (unfortunately spouse has to work so that's why a lot of this is on me).

                Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

                by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:35:39 PM PST

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  •  Super Bowl if directed by Tarantino, Lynch (4+ / 0-)
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    Wes Anderson, or Godard.

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Its spot on.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:16:14 PM PST

  •  Get your groove on (3+ / 0-)
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    dotalbon, ericlewis0, BlueJessamine

    Picture a bright blue ball just spinnin' spinnin' free. It's dizzy with possibility.

    by lockewasright on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:19:38 PM PST

  •  President Obama's Super Bowl... (8+ / 0-)

    pregame interview is scheduled for "around 4:30 PM ET" on CBS. :-)

    "There is no red America, or blue America, there is the United States of America." 2004 DNC Speech

    by BarackStarObama on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:19:56 PM PST

  •  Palm pilot. Beavis and BH missed out on so (3+ / 0-)
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    much new material.

  •  Handprompter = Real America's Teleprompter (7+ / 0-)

    you betcha

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:20:40 PM PST

      •  So how's O'liely,Limbaugh & Beck gonna spin this? (4+ / 0-)

        Afghanistan:Graveyard to empires-It's not just a bumpersticker

        by JML9999 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:29:00 PM PST

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        •  Easy - look how "regular joe" she is... (9+ / 0-)

          She's just like the rest of us who write stuff on our hand to remember stuff.

          Or Obama uses a teleprompter for his whole speech, Queen Sarah had 5 words written on her hand.

          I have a feeling that her supporters will try and own this and make it a rallying cry of sorts with them writing "go Sarah" on their hand or something.

          Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

          by Jonze on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:33:09 PM PST

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          •  "Just like the rest of us..." who cheated on (4+ / 0-)
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            tests in the 7th grade.

            Do they even believe their OWN shit as they're spewing it?

            "Women shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of women." droogie6655321

            by earicicle on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:37:31 PM PST

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          •  Don't Fall for Palin Trick (0+ / 0-)

            Like GWB, Palin is being positioned as unpolished just plain folksy folk, in contrast to effete eggheads.

            STICK TO POLICY ISSUES.

            Palin's #1 point was about shrinking government, so GO WITH IT! Look at Haiti--they have a really tiny government. Is that what we want for America?

            THIS is what Palin & Co. really have in mind when they say SMALL GOVERNMENT:

            http://www.mrrena.com/...

            "WHAT A FUNNY LITTLE GOVERNMENT."

            Horace Taylor drew this political cartoon of John D. Rockefeller holding the White House and Treasury department in the palm of his hand for the September 25, 1899 issue of The Verdict. Notice the smoke from the United States Capitol in the background? It has essentially become an oil refinery, itself demonstrating the power big business held over government.

            SNIP

            . . . . When it came to the political arena, big business owners advocated laissez-faire politics, which means they held that the government should not interfere with business.

            NOTE: The original Boston Tea Party was against big business:

            Thom Hartmann on what the real Boston Tea Party was about:

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
            see also references and links:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            Summarized, with citations:

            "Boston Tea Party Hit Corporate Monopoly"

            http://theparagraph.com/...

            "Historian Benjamin Carp’s latest project is a book on the Boston Tea Party, and he’s taking a global perspective"

            http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu/...

            The British East India Company was the main purveyor of tea to Europe and to the American colonies. The company did business in Bengal, where it was blamed for making a devastating famine worse by hoarding rice, resulting in price increases.
            "The company was getting rich off Bengal and behaving poorly," Carp says. "Americans knew about this and worried they would be next."

            Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

            by LNK on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 02:47:21 PM PST

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  •  A plug for Honeybaked Ham's cust service (10+ / 0-)

    I sent my sister a 9-lb ham for her SuperBowl party.  When it arrived, the package had leaked and soaked the box.  The ham was still good, but it was no longer encased in  crunchy goodness - it had all dissolved.

    She called them and they immediately sent another ham.  So now she has 18 lbs of ham and her entire family is in hog heaven.

    "Life is short, drink the good wine!" - OQ

    by OtterQueen on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:21:42 PM PST

  •  Do Hassidic Jews NOT get vaccinated? (1+ / 0-)
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    dotalbon

    The MMR outbreak occured in NYC amongst Hassidic Jews in a specific area.

    Obama 1/10: "We don't quit. I don't quit."

    by Drdemocrat on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:22:56 PM PST

    •  Don't know if it's a religious tenet or a social (1+ / 0-)
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      one, but a lot of ultra-Orthodox Jews don't vaccinate their kids.

      That's why I got re-vaxed for measles-mumps-rubella before traveling to Israel a few years ago ... there was a big outbreak of measles in European Orthodox communities (as well as Roma & other traveller groups) in 2007-08, which spread to Orthodox communities in Israel, and then spread to Orthodox communities in NY and elsewhere in the US.

      Not too surprised that mumps has followed suit.

      "Specialization is for insects." -- Heinlein

      by BachFan on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:50:25 PM PST

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      •  Might also be the source of the vaccines (2+ / 0-)
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        and questions as to the ritual cleanliness under Jewish dietary laws.

        Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

        by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:54:45 PM PST

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      •  Religious communities can make their own choices (2+ / 0-)
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        ... but their right to live outside the mainstream stops dead when it affects public health.

        According to the CDC, if you don't have 90% immunization rates in a particular area, you've got a problem.  

        I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. (John Cage)

        by dotalbon on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:00:17 PM PST

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  •  I Think They Overestimated Odds of Cow SEEING (2+ / 0-)
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    its hide make it to a Super Bowl game ball.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:23:43 PM PST

  •  She's been there, done that (3+ / 0-)
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    Photobucket

    •  Too bad she hasn't her cheatsheet for the Couric (2+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, dotalbon

      Interview

      Damn Katie ! You Liburel Biais anchor

      Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

      by LaurenMonica on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:31:06 PM PST

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    •  When you think about it, it's no worse (1+ / 0-)
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      than your average NFL QB checking the crib sheet on his sleeve before calling the play.

      It's just that the ultra-right is so damned hypocritical about it.  If Sarah can use notes, Obama shouldn't get criticized for using a teleprompter.  

      I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. (John Cage)

      by dotalbon on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:02:25 PM PST

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      •  Especially when everyone uses a teleprompter ... (1+ / 0-)
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        so, it's just an invented slight. Existing just to be a slight.

        In other words, there's no there there.

        Which appears to be the story of Sarah Palin's life.

        We already have "death panels". They are called health insurance companies.

        by ohiolibrarian on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:14:04 PM PST

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        •  The 'there' behind Sarah Palin's life (0+ / 0-)

          Bottom Line = Beauty Queen trained in Communications and eager to dance to the tune of the paid piper.

          She serves Big Energy and the Neocons.

          There is a Right-Wing School of Economics and Politics that believes it is necessary for the wise men to work in the background to guide the nation, using a friendly face as their sockpuppet. They do not believe in democracy or in the common man; instead, they truly believe if left to our own devices we'll drag civilization down to chaos. They really think they know best and that they must work in a covert manner.

          Stuart Ewen. PR! A Social History of Spin
          http://home.bway.net/...

          Google search terms: "friendly giants" "silver chains" will get you to Google Books

          Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

          by LNK on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 02:55:08 PM PST

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  •  Charlie Casserly(?) is an ass--super bowl pundit (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Sarah Palin does a Handjob n/t (4+ / 0-)

    (1) D.I.E.B.O.L.D.: Decisive In Elections By Ousting Liberal Democrats.
    (2) R.A.T.S.: Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia.
    (3) -8.75, -8.10

    by Archangel on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:27:47 PM PST

  •  i would like to turn (1+ / 0-)
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    Dar Nirron

    to a different goal, and i do mean this:
    i would like to find something IN COMMON with the people i disagree so strongly with and have settled on "Reader's Digest."
    before you snort, go buy a copy.
    i want to see continual gestures of decency and understanding, not mirror images of snarky insults and slingy one-line slogans of denigration.
    nagannahappen, i know...but it's wasting so much good energy to be so negative and reactionary so much of the time.
    how possible is it that there could be something i have in common with a birther or bagger or racist? well, let's see what i can find, and work on it to diminish (ha ha i'm remembering those "thousand points of light!") the blocks to a strong, healthy majority working for its people.
    Readers Digest doesn't shout and scream, doesn't splash and stain...there's lots it does do to accept the totality of who we are. i think it's well-prepared, and does a good job of "nice."

    The Addington perpwalk is the trailhead for accountability in this wound on our national psyche.--Sachem

    by greenbird on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:30:44 PM PST

    •  Reader's Digest? (0+ / 0-)

      True that rag used to be OK, once upon a time. They used to be pretty pro-union and equal-opportunity bashers of government and corporate stupidity.

      But, that was a long time ago. The only things worth reading in Reader's Digest these days are "Life in These United States" and other features. Everything else is almost painfully biased to the right-wing.

      We already have "death panels". They are called health insurance companies.

      by ohiolibrarian on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:18:52 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  like i said: (0+ / 0-)

        go buy a copy.
        they garner articles from all sorts of magazines; they don't write them.
        see if you can understand what i'm talking about: common ground.

        The Addington perpwalk is the trailhead for accountability in this wound on our national psyche.--Sachem

        by greenbird on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:49:43 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  In case you didn't notice my familiarity (0+ / 0-)

          with the magazine, I have read it.

          Unless it has changed in the last year or so, their editorial policy is to select articles with a distinct, even extreme, conservative bias.

          This sounds like one of those recommendations that require that we liberals get to meet people halfway to the John Birch Society. That's not a neighborhood I want to have as "common ground". Thxkbai

          We already have "death panels". They are called health insurance companies.

          by ohiolibrarian on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 06:35:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Felt the CT Blast 20 miles away (9+ / 0-)

    It shook our whole house.  I thought it was my furnace.  

    I live about 20 or so miles east of Middletown.

    Incredible.

  •  Tina Fey, Please come back !!! (4+ / 0-)
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    LNK, dotster, earicicle, OtterQueen

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:35:30 PM PST

  •  VT Yankee nuclear plant still leaking.... (3+ / 0-)
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    milton333, ohiolibrarian, LNK

    I've been posting about this every few days for a month and the source has not been found, although it's more & more looking like reactor water.

    Story here in my local paper

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:40:44 PM PST

    •  Primary loop water? Yow! n/t (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      itzik shpitzik

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:06:16 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Of course it's reactor water - so? (0+ / 0-)

      The most likely source, nearly the only possible source for tritium is reactor water.

      Ok, my paper's headline is Leak Found?

      Because I actually understand a bit about what's going on and I understand something about various forms of radiation and the dangers, I get annoyed by the mistakes and distortions being published.

      First, the reporting is using measurements in picocuries, an excellent method of publishing numbers that look big. The bigger they are, the scarier they sound. I saw an earlier report that 'radiation levels had mushroomed'. When I read such inflamatory words in such a report, I know that the writer is, shall I say, a little biased. And not very knowledgable of the subject.

      The leak is a problem, obviously. But safety measurements have detected it and it will be stopped and cleaned up long before it becomes close to being a risk to humans.

      If one reads up on tritium itself, one finds that this is a very weak radiation source with a low half-life and that it flushes from the body very quickly. It would take a high concentration of tritium ingested frequently by an individual to pose any potentially serious problem. Hence, the recommended maximum concentration in drinking water.

      Radiation dosage is how we measure the danger to humans, not the instantaneous radiation measurement take at a source (picocuries). Beer and apples, so to speak.

      Personally, I think that exposure to any hazard should be minimized, regardless of type or study results. So I wear my seat belt. I don't smoke, either. And I care that the tritium leak will be isolated and repaired. But I'm not personally worried about Vermont Yankee's plant at all.

      For those who insist that nuclear power is scary and dangerous, I know I can't change your minds. Keep on worrying and working for your cause. It's your right.

      "I believe in eight of the Ten Commandments" - Steve Martin

      by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 02:59:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is amazing (2+ / 0-)
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    northsylvania, greenbird

    am I the only one who does not know or seen or care what either the tea baggers or Sarah Palin did this weekend? Jeez, how is what everyone writing about and fixating over more important than the Super Bowl or worthy of that much attention? Did she say anything more than what anyone expected? DId the tea baggers do anything more than what everyone expected? Are they the deciding factor of whether HCR will be voted on? Are they the deciding factor to add more jobs to the American economy? Do they have any influence on Obama's agenda, or do we need this shit to distract us from the asshole democrats who really are responsible for anything until November? If the answer is yes, then I am living in a different dimension, and it's more like the Twilight Zone than I thought. I swear, democrats are their own worst enemies, you are making this chick and the movement a daily news item when there wasn't any reason for them to be a news item. New Orleans winning the Super Bowl sure is.

    Solitude is painful when one is young, but delightful when one is more mature...Einstein

    by tazz on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:56:25 PM PST

    •  It's not so much what they did (4+ / 0-)
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      is that what they're doing is getting so much media attention. Peace marches that drew 10x the number of participants as this little confab have been routinely ignored by the traditional media.

      Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:00:28 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's not the media, it's this website (2+ / 0-)
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        greenbird, LNK

        that's all any here seems to give a shit about. Fuck the media. This website should do something to speak to our party, not their party. If you want to deal with issues that affect each of us, like employment, war, healthcare or global warming, what possible information can that crowd provide people who think logically in their lives? I find it totally illogical for an intelligent human being to give those people any credit for ideas or discourse. You just give them credibility for even having this show with 600 people in attendance. Consider 800 million views focusing on sport today. You really think what she did or they did warrant a detailed and nuanced response from intelligent people?

        Solitude is painful when one is young, but delightful when one is more mature...Einstein

        by tazz on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:07:35 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  We ignore them at our peril (2+ / 0-)
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          greenbird, LNK

          Sure, a lot of them are nutcases -- but some of those nutcases are better armed than our own civilian police forces. And it's not so much the ones at the convention I'm concerned about, but rather the ones who are at home following along and making their own plans quietly. Look what damage a couple of good ol' boys did with a truck full of fertilizer in OKC, and imagine that on a larger and more gradual scale.

          Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

          by Cali Scribe on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:20:32 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  G7 nations agree to cancel Haiti's debt!! (5+ / 0-)

    ONECampaign
     
    Petition delivered -- & G7 world leaders call for full cancellation of Haiti's debt! http://bit.ly/...
    about 4 hours ago from web

  •  Could Obama win... (0+ / 0-)
    ...Iran over if he declared war on Sharpie Pork?

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:03:42 PM PST

  •  Mitch Landrieu won the race for New Orleans Mayor (0+ / 0-)

    but, while I am happy a Democrat won, I find the idea of political royal families distasteful.

    I don't want to think of the Democrats as the party of inherrited political power.

    The advantages one gets from having mom or dad as succesfful politicians need to be reduced - I don't have any proposals on how to reasonably fix this.

    Any ideas?

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:08:15 PM PST

    •  Ye-es ... Then again ... would you say the same (1+ / 0-)
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      northsylvania

      about a kid who gets into plumbing because a parent was a plumber?  Or who takes over some other family business? It's not that unusual for a kid to follow in a parent's footsteps. Is it necessarily wrong for a politician's kid to do the same?

      I do understand that it's a little different when it's politics and the public welfare, but still ... how would you stop it?

      We already have "death panels". They are called health insurance companies.

      by ohiolibrarian on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:30:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Some items for limiting the advantage would (0+ / 0-)

        be making the transfer of campaign funds, helping to raise funds, sharing of staff, mail lists, offices, etc. between family members illegal.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 02:54:20 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Wynton Marsalis Tribute to the Saints... (1+ / 0-)
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    dotalbon

    I hope someone manages to put it up on YouTube because that was nothing short of epic.

  •  Who's a fan of Dr Horrible? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    northsylvania, BachFan

    I have an extra DVD, and will send it to the first person to convince me he/she has a PHD in horrible-ness.

    "Life is short, drink the good wine!" - OQ

    by OtterQueen on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:45:04 PM PST

  •  Whitman's team like Arnuld's - Hoover Institute (1+ / 0-)
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    LNK
    [ which means neocon Milton Friedman Shock Doctrine Capitalism ]

    Economic Task Force

        * Marc Andreessen - Co-founder, Netscape; Co-founder, Andreessen Horowitz
        * Shellye Archambeau - Chief Executive Officer, MetricStream
        * Michael J. Boskin - Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution; Professor, Stanford University
        * John Chambers - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Cisco Systems
        * John F. Cogan - Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution; Professor, Stanford University
        * Janet Cronick - Owner, Ultimate Gifts
        * Lucy Dunn - President and Chief Executive Officer, Orange County Business Council
        * Patrick Durkin - Managing Director, Barclays Capital
        * Jennifer Fonstad - Managing Director, Draper Fisher Jurvetson
        * Mike McCaffery - Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Makena Capital Management
        * Scott McNealy - Chairman and Co-founder, Sun Microsystems
        * Bill Simon - Co-chairman, William E. Simon and Sons, LLC
        * Jaynie Studenmund - Board Member, Orbitz and eHarmony
        * Ashley Swearengin - Mayor of Fresno
        * John B. Taylor - Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution; Professor, Stanford University
        * Pete Wilson - Former Governor of California
        * Julie Meier Wright - Former California Secretary of Trade and Commerce

    Let me be clear I am not going to walk away from health care insurance reform, Obama said, bringing DNC audience in the hotel ballroom to their feet. 2/6/2010

    by anyname on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:48:47 PM PST

    •  Note about Whitman's Team (1+ / 0-)
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      anyname

      Hoover Institution, Bechtel....George P. Shultz recruited Condi Rice, George W. Bush, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger was used to support Enron before entering politics.

      http://www.pbs.org/...

      They really believe in their own covert operations with a smiling stuffed shirt out in front because democracy is too dangerous to be left to We The People.

      Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

      by LNK on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 03:07:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  thx for details (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        LNK

        wouldn't it be good if the Dem party and the Dem base and CA voting residents knew/and/acted as if they understood how CA's movement for permanent GOP majority comes out of Hoover Institute and CA based defense corporations and THEY drive national GOP policy... yep George Shultz is the the shadow government's big cheese and GOP king maker.... most of CA voting residents still don't understand the Enron disaster.... and that Arnuld was the Enron-broker that took the winning consumer case against Enron worth 9 billion bucks (if memory services) off the table as Arnuld #1 first act as governor .... as governor he took the case out of appeals court ( after the PEOPLE of CA won their case and would have recovered much of what they lost in the energy companies fraud against them ) and settled the case for 2cents on the dollar.... Arnuld saved Enron a lot of do-ray-me and CA was driven into the deficit ditch ( under Gary Davis CA had historic budget surplus )

        yep the GOP uses actors and salespeople/ now Whitman ( Nixon, Reagan, Bush , Arnuld on and on )  as front people then run them with their neocon shadow government - Shultz et al shock doctrine war hawks

        Let me be clear I am not going to walk away from health care insurance reform, Obama said, bringing DNC audience in the hotel ballroom to their feet. 2/6/2010

        by anyname on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 03:56:27 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Inside AEI's Bunker (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        LNK

        http://motherjones.com/...

        Inside AEI's Bunker
        EXCERPT

           The sun was setting fast on the recent era of neoconservative dominance, for which this very conference room—named after Albert Wohlstetter, the late nuclear strategist who inspired Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove—often served as ground zero.
           It was here that journalists and diplomats gathered dozens of times over the past seven years to see the likes of Pentagon adviser Richard Perle and Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi argue for regime change at aei's "black coffee briefings." They came to listen as Iran-Contra alum Michael Ledeen made the case for overthrowing the mullahs, and as John Bolton, then Bush's nonproliferation czar, argued for a confrontational approach to North Korea, Iran, Libya, and Cuba. If there was a factory for the Bush administration's first-term foreign policy misadventures, this was it.

           Now these hawks are anticipating a long, cold winter, courtesy of an Obama administration whose internationalist view of national security—from an avowed willingness to talk with hostile regimes to an Iraq drawdown—is often anathema to neocon doctrine. What will this estrangement from power bring? "We'll do what we did in the 1990s, with things like the Project for the New American Century," says Thomas Donnelly, an aei military expert and former senior fellow with pnac, a Bill Kristol-led advocacy group that spent the Clinton years pushing for the US to take out Saddam Hussein. "We have a core set of beliefs that is pretty much intact: that American power is a good thing and should be exercised."

        Let me be clear I am not going to walk away from health care insurance reform, Obama said, bringing DNC audience in the hotel ballroom to their feet. 2/6/2010

        by anyname on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 03:59:19 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Poizner (0+ / 0-)

        http://articles.latimes.com/...

        Poizner's wild-eyed accusations against Whitman don't bode well

        The GOP gubernatorial candidate alleges opponent Meg Whitman used attempted bribery and extortion to drive him out of the race. If he's serious, that calls into question his ability to govern.

        Let me be clear I am not going to walk away from health care insurance reform, Obama said, bringing DNC audience in the hotel ballroom to their feet. 2/6/2010

        by anyname on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 06:38:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Friended and Tweeted into the Senate (0+ / 0-)
    http://www.wired.com/...

    How Scott Brown Friended, Tweeted and LOLed His Way into the Senate

    Let me be clear I am not going to walk away from health care insurance reform, Obama said, bringing DNC audience in the hotel ballroom to their feet. 2/6/2010

    by anyname on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:52:50 PM PST

  •  == Relevance of'' Ballin'' to Cloture Rule == (0+ / 0-)

    == Relevance of'' Ballin'' to Cloture Rule ==

    Since the Creation of Senate Rule XXII controlled by Rule V in the United States Senate, The legislative process has had disagreements in passage of important legislation. The cloture rule has changed since 1917 causing further delay and failed legislation that would otherwise have passed under the Constitutional method as outlined in ''Ballin, supra''.

    In 1957, Vice President Nixon issued and advisory Opinion on this very issue referring the Senate to resort Back to passing legislation by a simple majority of a Constitutional quorum present. Prior to 1957, The U.S. Senate changed the Cloture rule to require 67 Senate Votes to pass legislation (more than 2/3 of the body) with the entire Body of the Senate that currently must be Present for a quorum (at that time the senate varied between 96-98 members).  During this time frame the Unconstitutionality of cloture came to exist as the Court Stated in it's opinion in ''Ballin, supra'' the following Key Notes of Case Law,

    '''''1)'''The constitution empowers each house to determine its rules of proceedings. It may not by its rules ignore constitutional restraints or violate fundamental rights.''

    '''''2)'''The Constitution provides that "a majority of each [house] shall constitute a quorum to do business." In other words, when a majority are present the house in a position to do business. Its capacity to transact business is then established, created by the mere presence of a majority, and does not depend upon the disposition or assent or action of any single member or fraction of the majority present. "All that the Constitution requires is the presence of a majority, and when that majority are present, the power of the house arises."''

    '''''3)''' The constitutions of this state and the United States declare that a majority shall be a quorum to do business, but a majority of that quorum are sufficient to decide the most important question."''

    Therefore, When the Senate created the Cloture Rule in 1917, later redefining the rule to stipulate that the Cloture rule to require 67 Senate Votes to pass legislation (more than 2/3 of the body) and with the entire Body of the Senate that must be Present for a quorum (at that time the senate varied between 96-98 members), It then Violated the United State Constitution ignoring the constitutional restraints or violating fundamental rights of the Supreme Law of the Land, It's Constitution. In return the Citizens of the United State have been directly impacted by this unconstitutional act clearly outlined in the decision of the United States Supreme Court rendered in ''United States v. Ballin, 144 U.S. 1., supra'' as stated above being that,

    '''1.''' The United States Senate Can Not create Rules that go above and beyond the restraints of the Constitution in the Power and Duties of the rule making process where the court held ''"The constitutions of this state and the United States declare that a majority shall be a quorum to do business, but a majority of that quorum are sufficient to decide the most important question."'', however, The Senate created a rule "Cloture" also known as Rule XXII stating that a "supermajority" of 67 votes must be required to end debate of a Filibuster, in order for legislation to carry forward and be passed when cloture (rule XXII) was invoked.

    In Addition, rule XXII stated that all members of the Senate must be present for a quorum and 67 of them must vote in the affirmative (yea) to pass the bill, however the Supreme Court stated as Follows defining the constitutional definition of a quorum that the Senate ignored in the construction of rule XXII thereby violating the fundamentals of the constitutional restraints as defined in ''Ballin, supra.'' being a simple majority of the following definition of a constitutional quorum being present, not 67 votes with the entire body present,

    '''2.''' As stated by the United States Supreme Court in "Ballin, supra" The court defined that a Constitutional quorum is 2/3 of the Senate body present, Not 100% constitutes a quorum and "''All that the Constitution requires is the presence of a majority, and when that majority are present, the power of the house arises''."

    In other words, The Senate Body contains 100 members in Present Day, therefore 67 Senators must be Present to constitute a quorum, and When those 67 member out of the 100 Senators in the Unites States Senate are Present, the Senate is able to proceed in conducting business and pass legislation.

    Herealso, with those 67 senators present, only a "Simple Majority" need to vote in the affirmative (yeas) in order to pass legislation as clearly defined in the ''Ballin decision of 1892''. In other words, only 67 Senators need to be Present out of 100 members to conduct Business and of those 67, only 34 Senators (yeas) over 33 (yeas)need to be cast in order for a legislative bill to pass the United States Senate. therefore the Senate Rule XXII of "Cloture" goes above and beyond the constitutional Authority per ''Ballin'' as stipulated by the courts opinion.

    '''3.''' In addition, the current construction of "Cloture" also gives additional "Power" to the United States Senate as a "Silent Veto" process giving a minority the "power" to Veto Legislation before the President of the United States of America has the Opportunity to either sign and pass the legislation or Veto the Legislation, as it has historically been proceeded in Our government since the outset, thereby creating a "silent fourth branch" of government that acts in the minority with the Power of "Veto" acting as legislative and Executive Branch in one House of Congress, The United States Senate.

    Thus removing and limiting the Power of the President of the United States, voiding the Executive Branch that has the right to pass the bill or send it back by" Veto" so that the legislative Branch then would have the opportunity to "over-ride" the veto by a full Senate body present required with 2/3 of the body needed to over-ride a Presidential" Veto".

    Moreover, The Vice President of the United States is also crippled by the construction of the Cloture definition, being that the Vice President is also the President of the U.S. Senate, his authority to cast a vote in the event if the Senate be equally divided in the voting process, thereby giving the Vice President the power to cast the tie breaking vote under the constitution. This power would never come into order being that the current definition of the Cloture rule(2010) restricts the votes to a minimum of 60 to be cast in the affirmative in order to end debate and pass legislation, being unconstitutional as explained above.

    Therefore, Senate Rule XXII violates the fundamental rights of the constitutional Separation of Powers limitation as well, creating a Senate that has both legislative and executive powers.

    '''4.''' Senate Rule V in it's current definition fails to comport with the constitutional definitions and limitation in relation to Cloture and S.Ct. Opinion in ''Ballin, supra'', as it also requires a 100% of members present for a quorum and 60 votes in order to change the rules, also created in the same act as cloture.

    '''5.''' Although, the Byrd Bill of 1981 also know as the "Nuclear Option" or the Constitutional option by statutory authority say that a simple majority is all that is needed to pass legislation in the Senate, Reconciliation also is restricted on the type of bill it may pass, stripping legislative powers from the Senate by not allowing full and impartial bill to decide the most important question to be voted on in order to pass legislation as also stated in ''Ballin, supra'' as the court also stated the following,

    ''"For, according to the principle of all the cases referred to, a quorum possesses all the powers of the whole body; a majority of which quorum must, of course, govern. . . . '''The constitutions of this state and the United States declare that a majority shall be a quorum to do business, but a majority of that quorum are sufficient to decide the most important question."''
    '''

    Therefore, the relevance of Cloture and the case of ''United States v. Ballin'', infra closely ties the construction of the rules and proceedings being that "cloture" should either be removed or changed to be consistent with the Courts Opinion, or Judicial review would have to be taken to have it corrected consistent with the constitution and ''Ballin''.

    These statements are Facts that are Clear by the record of the published rules and controversies in the Senate since the Cloture rule was constructed and Facts can Not be disputed.

    We have an Aristocracy, Not a Democracy being that the Senate has a silent control that allows a Veto of legislation whether is Democratic or Republican.

    U.S. Senate 51 Votes, The Constitutional "Dignified Senate".

    by prose072 on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 01:54:30 PM PST

  •  Guess who's invited to a new HCR buffet, again.. (0+ / 0-)

    It's stunning to have seen Obama ignore, for the past year, his promise to take the big chair alongside all the other parties to pass health care and insurance reform.

    As if the health care hell that broke loose never happened, as if all the Republicans were not dead-set against destroying him and the Democratic party and as if the majority of Dems were not left to kiss the hems of Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson the President once again is planning a major HCR Ho'down with all the same parties invited.

    His thinking can only run along one path, since the Republican/Tea-Bagging crowd has only surged amid the Democrats rapid declines.  A path that would excite Rahm Emanuel as never before.
    And that path is that their Congressional Democrats, the ones who just over a year ago carried them all to power, are now so in fear of losing the House and Senate, so desperate - they'll agree to anything to pass 'something'.

    Is that really Obama? Or is that what happens after a year closed in a room with Emanuel?  

  •  Mumps: killer of fatherhood possibilities (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BachFan

    Mumps in males can cause sterility.
    Can also cause spontaneous abortion.

    I remember before the vaccination when mumps was rampant.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Media Reform Action Link http://stopbigmedia.com/

    by LNK on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 02:38:10 PM PST

  •  Yesterday's hot ticket: Tea with Mooselini -- nt (0+ / 0-)

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