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On the ground at the UCLA student protest regarding tuition increases, budget cuts, and really just a misalignment of priorities with students, professors, and UC workers.

http://www.youtube.com/...

We have been marching and yelling all day, and now we are having a sit in in Murphy Hall, the big administration building.

People are pretty pissed off around here with the way Sacramento slices through the education budget when it looks for money, but can't come together to put a decent budget together without the political gridlock people hate.

Students want a freeze on fee hikes, and are calling for cutting prison spending, a comparison that has gotten some traction in our state government and even has the Governator paying some lip service to it.

Maybe not the same type of student movement the UC system has experienced in the past, but it is encouraging seeing  campuses around the country united in their call for education reform.

With a President that seems like he intends to do something about the travesty of US education, change can happen.

No instances of police misconduct yet, or anything out of the ordinary really, so that is great. We have the law school and other graduate schools showing their solidarity with speakers and protesters, and even flyers with students rights and code of conduct.

#march4 and CSUN (Cal State Uni Northridge) are trending topics on twitter, which if you are familiar with it means that people are talking, but not only are we talking, we are acting!

Originally posted to uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 01:42 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

    by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 01:42:32 PM PST

  •  I Am Just Posting This To Piss You Off (1+ / 0-)
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    kyril

    in the late 80s and early 90s I went to college (undergrad and grad) at two large, very well known state schools. Undergrad = $3,700/year. Grad = $4,300. What are you paying, $25,000 or $30,000/year?

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 01:51:07 PM PST

    •  There were also much better grants back then. (2+ / 0-)
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      webranding, kyril
      •  The System Is Totally Messed Up Now (1+ / 0-)
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        kyril

        I am just saying I went to school (not like 50 years ago) where I got a world class education and didn't have to go $200,000 + in debit.

        "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

        by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 01:56:23 PM PST

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    •  In State Tuition Fees ... (1+ / 0-)
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      kyril

      $8,851

      •  OK, My Bad. I Stand Somewhat Corrected (1+ / 0-)
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        kyril

        that is much, much lower then I would have thought.

        "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

        by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:00:33 PM PST

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        •  its the over 30% increase from last year (2+ / 0-)
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          webranding, kyril

          that has really been the catalyst

          A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

          by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:01:32 PM PST

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          •  Nonetheless (0+ / 0-)

            That is a great price for a great education at UCLA.

            •  well it used to be great... (2+ / 0-)
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              webranding, kyril

              before they started increasing class size threefold, letting go of faculty, cutting student programs like tutoring, not raising wages for student jobs...but you know, it still is UCLA

              A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

              by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:05:35 PM PST

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              •  What percent of your instruction (0+ / 0-)

                is full-time professors v. part-timers v. assistants?

                •  from when i was in undergrad (1+ / 0-)
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                  webranding

                  two years ago, and this is from memory not hard and fast statistics, we were taught by assistants about 1/3 of the time, non-tenured profs alot higher, but i'm sure it is even worse now, just dont have it in front of me

                  A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

                  by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:18:53 PM PST

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                  •  Intersting. My First Two Years Of College (0+ / 0-)

                    I was on a Division I sports scholarship, so I got to register for classes before everybody else. I had my pick. I know this might be hard to believe but I was in a frat and I asked around and choose classes taught by teachers that were known for ... well teaching.

                    I am thinking back and I am not sure I had a single class taught by an assistant. Now I was one in grad school and taught a little, but nowhere close to the person you'd think you'd see when you went to class. That just wasn't acceptable.

                    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

                    by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:23:20 PM PST

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                    •  at CSUN specifically (0+ / 0-)

                      students average over 5 years to graduate, and although yeah there could be things skewing the average (night school for adults or w/e) i believe that average has gone up.

                      none of the my high school buddies that went there graduated in 4 thats for sure, and they say it is IMPOSSIBLE to get classes you want/need when you want/need them, so the seniority is the only way to get em. unless you're an athlete : )

                      A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

                      by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:25:54 PM PST

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            •  If you work full time and make minimum wage (1+ / 0-)
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              after paying your tuition you have about $3,000/year to live on. But you're not eligible for food stamps or other social programs because you make too much. You're almost certainly not eligible for Pell grants either.

              It used to be possible for really motivated, hard-working students to work their way through school at almost any college with no debt (my Dad did it at Northwestern). That's no longer possible even at public universities.

              Every horror committed by man begins with the lie that some man is not a man. - Jyrinx

              by kyril on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:14:41 PM PST

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        •  Of course (1+ / 0-)
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          kyril

          Room and Board will run you about 13K

    •  weeellllll (2+ / 0-)
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      webranding, kyril

      its around 9,500/year w/o books, and well my law school tuition....36k, after going up 5k from last year and 700 from last semester! Don't you hate those mid year increases??

      and its not the best time to be graduating from law school 250k in debt...

      A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

      by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:00:01 PM PST

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      •  That Was Where I Was Off (2+ / 0-)
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        uclabruin, kyril

        I have a MA, but thinking of going back to get a MBA for one reason, to do research and teach at 36 (this was a few years ago). I looked at a number of programs (Stanford, Michigan, Washington University [in St. Louis -- where I live and my first choice), Northwestern, and a few Ivy League schools).

        They all started at $35,000 +. I make a very good living, but laughed at those fees to be honest.  

        "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

        by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:04:43 PM PST

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  •  Limited sympathy (1+ / 0-)
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    uclabruin

    Firstly, I don't understand why the direct action is being aimed primarily at the University, rather than at Sacramento - the university is in a complete bind, and I get the impression it's not their fault there's no money.

    Secondly, the fees are astonishingly reasonable given the quality of education on offer, and there are many students who are able to make that investment in their education - I don't see why (for example) prisoner education and rehabilitation should be cut so that students from one of the wealthier states in the Union get even more subsidy for an education that massively increases their earning power.

    Ideally, there would be changes to the California constitution, and taxes could be raised to pay for the best State education system in the US, but there are worse budgeting decisions than charging $9,000 a year for some of the best universities in the world.

    "I, for one, would like to welcome our new Belgian overlords..."

    by Morus on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:32:25 PM PST

  •  9k in fees don't really (1+ / 0-)
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    webranding

    tell the whole story, although they do seem reasonable

    books, room and board, health insurance (which you are compelled to have) end up making each year at ucla around 30k a year, times 4 years, 120k is a pretty big price tag

    and the fact of the matter is, albeit a horrible economic climate, a degree from ucla really doesnt get you what it used to, and theres no assurance that it will go back to its prestige once this downturn has played out

    A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

    by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:38:47 PM PST

    •  Please Don't Take This The Wrong Way (1+ / 0-)
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      I've interviewed a lot of folks. You got a degree from UCLA means little to me and I've interviewed a ton of people in my life. You better have an internship or two. References that say you walk on water. A degree from UCLA, not that important. I mean how many folks each year graduate from UCLA, Harvard, Michigan, Yale, University of Illinois, MIT, Case Western, just to name a few of many good colleges?

      "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

      by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:43:52 PM PST

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      •  Please don't take this the wrong way (0+ / 0-)

        but your poor grammar undermines your jaundiced critique of education.

        •  Funny. The Fact You Clearly Have Not Read (0+ / 0-)

          this thread where I have agreed 24/7 with the poster, well that is kind of telling isn't it.

          "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

          by webranding on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:50:17 PM PST

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          •  My bad (0+ / 0-)

            I'm riled up about this issue today. Went to the rally at San Jose State and have been following this closely in the news. I clearly jumped the gun on your post.

            There are a lot of wingers who consider students and university employees to be free-loaders. Thinking this way only aids those who would like to see the public sector shrank to the size of Grover Norquist's testicles.

            Anyway, my apologies. I'm not usually a grammar cop.

            It is, however, National Grammar Day.

    •  But (0+ / 0-)

      you'd be paying for food, medical insurance, a place to live etc anyway.

      The question is "does $9k a year, times 4 years, make sense as an investment?". The benefit of a college degree from UCLA vs no college degree I suspect will drastically outweigh $36,000 over the course of your working life. Compare to other options (Ivy League, Lib Arts etc) and you're already getting a better deal than most students in the country.

      If you don't think it's worth the money (and I can't understand that, even in these temporarily difficult economic times, but respect that people need to judge for themselves) then don't go. It's not like there's a better vfm solution out there: I don't accept that prison spending should be cut to help thousands of middle class parents save a couple of thousand dollars a year.

      "I, for one, would like to welcome our new Belgian overlords..."

      by Morus on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:59:24 PM PST

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  •  This is bigger than the UC (2+ / 0-)
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    Mogolori, uclabruin

    It includes K-12, community colleges, and the CSU system, which traditionally served the purposes of educating teachers.

    The noble notion of public education is under attack in California and throughout the rest of the U.S.

    •  advocacy in general (0+ / 0-)

      because there just arent people standing up, and voting, for the interests of young people like me...from pre-school to post-grad

      A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step

      by uclabruin on Thu Mar 04, 2010 at 02:56:03 PM PST

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