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  Conservatives, Bigots, those in power who are loath to cede any of that power . . .  they always fight tooth and nail against Reform.  And -- eventually -- they always lose.  Then you know what happens?  After a few years that thing that they predicted would bring about the "End of America as We Know It" winds up becoming, well, normal.  Few Conservatives would today advocate abolishing the Nineteenth Amendment (giving women the vote), but 90 years ago it was a Thing of Horror to America's Right Wing.

 Same with the President Truman's Integration of the Military in 1948 (over Southern Politicians' vociferous objections), Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the Social Security (Medicare) Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

 I offer this fascinating summation of the travails of the Nineteenth Amendment, and how it came to be by the skin of its teeth in 1920:

                                             -- see below the fold --

 From the Wiki:


 "On January 9, 1918, President Woodrow Wilson announced his support of the amendment.  The next day, the House of Representatives narrowly passed the amendment, but the Senate refused to debate it until October. When the Senate voted on the amendment in October, it failed by three votes.

 "In response, the National Woman's Party urged citizens to vote against anti-suffrage Senators up for reelection in the 1918 midterm elections.  Following those elections, most members of Congress were pro-suffrage. On May 21, 1919, the House of Representatives passed the amendment by a vote of 304 to 89 and the Senate followed suit on June 4, by a vote of 56 to 25.

 "On August 18, 1920, the Tennessee General Assembly, by a one-vote margin became the thirty-sixth state legislature to ratify the proposed amendment, making it the Nineteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.  On August 26, 1920, Secretary of State Bainbridge Colby certified the amendment's adoption...."

(Emphasis added)



 As Wellington said after Waterloo:

     "It was a close thing. I was never so near being beat in my life."


  Truman Integrates the Military, 1948.

 "The sweeping change virtually guaranteed that Truman would not win the so-called 'Solid South' in the elections.  The Southern states were reliable wins for Democratic politicians at the time.  Truman’s stand on race relations caused many politicians to bolt the Democratic Party and run as 'Dixiecrats.'

 "Strom Thurmond -- who later would represent South Carolina in the U.S. Senate for almost a half century -- opposed Truman in the election, garnering 39 electoral votes as the candidate for the segregationist States Rights Democratic Party.

 "New York Gov. Thomas E. Dewey, the Republican nominee, was considered a shoo-in for election. Thurmond took four states that normally would have voted Democratic in the November election, but Truman still won...."


  So you see?  This crap isn't new.  It's the way Conservatives are wired.  The answer?  Keep fighting.  Keep fighting.  Keep fighting.  


Originally posted to BenGoshi on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 03:28 PM PDT.

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  •  And when I say, "Lost" (11+ / 0-)

     I mean eventually.


    "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

    by BenGoshi on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 03:29:19 PM PDT

  •  Being on the 'Wrong Side of History' is in their (5+ / 0-)
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  •  Conservatives have always fought (2+ / 0-)
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    almost anything that makes sense. Or that helps anyone who actually needs help. Conservatives have always fought progress. For example, stem-cell research.

    When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

    by Wom Bat on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 03:37:05 PM PDT

  •  ,,and made us lose along with them. (2+ / 0-)
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    BORE, n. A person who talks when you wish him to listen. Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

    by irate on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 03:40:21 PM PDT

  •  Except this isn't reform (3+ / 0-)
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    This is revise and extend.   The insurance companies are being given a few rules, most of which they will bend completely out of shape, and they are also given the protection of a huge market they will now own.

    The privatization of the system will greatly increase.

    That is not reform.  Unless you live in Wonderland with Alice.

    The Democratic Party has thrilled the biology community by creating a whole new class of invertebrates, utterly worthless in office. David Michael Green

    by neaguy on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 03:40:28 PM PDT

  •  Conservative does not = bigot (0+ / 0-)

    And they have not always lost.

    This diary is rooted in fantasy.

  •  conservatives may always lose (1+ / 0-)
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    battles...sadly they never lose the war.

    Conservatives convinced the founders that slavery needed to remain in place else the colonial economy would collapse and the new country would be doomed to fail.  230 some years after ratification of the Constitution blacks are still unequal, still suffer from prejudice.

    Conservatives wanted an isolationist America, right up to the pt in time where they realized that America could be the dominant force in global politics.  From pursuing the "war on drugs" still fretting about the "domino theory" and pursuing wars of "preemption" the conservatives have hardly lost.

    Conservatives want non-white, non-Christians, non-heterosexuals to be of a lower class.  That means that they fight civil rights legislation of any kind.  From immigration reform to HCR to teaching evolution or banning gays from being equal they strive to maintain this separation of people.  They have hardly failed.  They may lose a battle here and there but overall the evangelical right is gaining, not losing, power within the conservative movement.  The ability of Texas to essentially legislate what is taught in American classrooms is detestable but undeniable...get rid of teaching women about the Susan B Anthonys in lieu of teaching about pundits such as Phyliss Schlafly.  For every state that allows gay marriage there is a state or more that passes exclusionary legislation.  Conservatives may be losing...but they do so at a fucking snail's pace.

    Which brings me back to my displeasure over HCR.  I'm for HCR, but not this bill.  I want this bill to pass but I don't support it, here's why:  We have the political might to put through legislation that immediately empowers and protects EVERY American---instead of doing so we haggled, compromised, and capitulated and now the bill, while still being beneficial, is a shadow of what could have been.  Baby steps?  Baby steps are why conservatism does not LOSE.  You think if the PO, real sanctions and oversight of the insurance industry were passed that every person, Lib or Conservative, wouldn't jump on board once they see how it benefits them?  Sean Hannity and the choir of devils could scream about socialism but when the FOX watching farmer from Mississippi or Texas saw their ins. premiums plummet, their ability to get care when needed, their ability to have access to preventative medicine etc they would understand that the HCR was a benefit not just to them, but to their neighbors and countrymen as well...Hannity et al cries of injustice would be no more than howling at the moon.  The same with Consumer Finance Protection..the right pundits and the conservative voter might howl at the over-reach of govt..but if those conservative voters see real benefits concerning the ban of predatory lending, exorbitant late fees and interest rates being curtailed...they would change their opinion.  When it is just a war of words and baby steps they will always stand by their brand.

    Because we chose to take the compromises we have drawn out the debate.  In a few years maybe the benefits of the current HCR bill will be seen and felt by conservatives but it won't go away, they'll just change the parameter of their displeasure.  They won't have lost.

    Instead of once and for all putting forth legislation that would forever legalize abortion, would forever ban discrimination of any kind be it sex, race, sexual orientation, or religion...we always take the compromise and pass the same ideological battles into the future to be parsed and fought over by our children and grandchildren because we lack the fortitude to put a stop to inequality once and for all.

    They don't lose.  That is a laughable assumption.  They don't lose because we don't win.  I'm sick of baby steps and incrementalism.  I want real change.  I want change I can believe in.  I want the decades long battle of words to end.  I want all Americans to receive benefit from their tax dollar and their elected official.  if Dems, with the majority they enjoy now, had come out of the gate in January of 09 hootin and hollerin and kickin ass and takin names Dems could have passed so much beneficial legislation that took effect immediately and could be seen and felt by swing and conservative voters we could have sewn up a majority for the foreseeable future.  Because we didn't we left the door open for right wing propaganda to do its dirty work, to confuse and prolong the battle.  They don't lose and we don't win because they have the balls to be dirty and we don't have the balls to do what is right.  So some may think that having the balls to do what is Kinda right is A-OK, I'm just not one of them.  We've been Kinda right many times over the last couple hundred years...rarely have we just been right.

    But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

    by Bill O Rights on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:14:54 PM PDT

    •  The bill's not great, but it's a step in... (1+ / 0-)
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      . . . the right direction and a lot of Progressives (e.g., Weiner, Grayson in the House; Sanders and Frankin in the Senate) will be pushing improvements.

      In the end (and sometimes there are defeats in between) we win.


      "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

      by BenGoshi on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:22:06 PM PDT

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      •  They'll be told to sit down & shut up. No (1+ / 0-)
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        hard votes for Dems for a long time, I'm afraid. We're already hearing about the bipartisan immigration bill. I just can't muster much confidence in these guys anymore. They're overcooked spaghetti.

        When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

        by Wom Bat on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:25:43 PM PDT

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        •  I'm hoping for (not necessarily counting on) (0+ / 0-)

          . . . momentum.

          Not that there's suddenly going to be some Great Sweep of Progressive initiatives, but that there will be (there damn well ought to be) a new confidence in the Democrats.

          We'll see...


          "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

          by BenGoshi on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:52:16 PM PDT

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  •  A Typical Break at Your Conserv Think Tank (3+ / 0-)
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    "But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, social security, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, public health, the GI Bill, the 5 day work week, clean food, the Marshall Plan, Medicare, the race to the Moon... What have the Liberals ever done for us?

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    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:25:23 PM PDT

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