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Warren Beatty shocks the world. And in other breaking news, Ricky Martin aside, rumor has it that a huge bipartisan rift was exposed by the passage of healthcare reform.

Assuming people really and truly didn't know Ricky Martin was gay, is his coming out honestly a news story, let alone a breaking news story in 2010?

Barbabra Walters stated that in retrospect, she regrets asking him about his sexual orientation, especially given his contorted response a decade ago. (Her reasoning seems to be more about politically correct politeness than journalistic integrity, but that's another story.)

I can understand the newsworthiness of a servicemember coming out in light of DADT. Or a politician caught tap dancing in a stall in a public restroom or another paraletically trashed, driving home a trick he just picked up from a gay club. But a gay-as-a-three-dollar-bill entertainer? Seriously?

Originally posted to Clinton Fein on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 12:35 AM PDT.

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    •  Try living 3 months, (2+ / 0-)
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      emsprater, lostboyjim

      without wearing your wedding ring or telling the truth about your girlfriend or wife and kids.  Or doing all the little things that straights do everyday to signal their heteroness.

      With all the time you waste and all the angst you wind up feeling, you'll come out knowing how much of a big deal it really is.  And all because some prudes might feel a bit uncomfortable.

      The Taliban and al-Qaeda use bombs to try to terrorize the people; the Republicans use the media.

      by grada3784 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:43:46 AM PDT

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  •  Ricky was in Menudo. 'nough said. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 12:38:43 AM PDT

  •  From what I've read (11+ / 0-)

    it's controversial because he's from conservative latin America. It's a big deal there and I guess that translates into a big deal here. Personally I wish it weren't because being gay can affect a music or movie career and that's stupid. Just as stupid as how it affects a military career.

    "As long as I think it might make [homophobic 'baggers] happy, I can never retire." - Barney Frank

    by indiemcemopants on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 12:57:06 AM PDT

  •  Unless u've been f*ckin him...This is NOT about U (7+ / 0-)

    For the people who can only offer their version of "Duh!" about Ricky's announcement of his sexualityremember... THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU!

    This is about a talented, caring and compassionate man who is finally accepting himself for who he is and has decided to live his life without shame.

    His announcement is about HIM freeing himself from decades of lies NOT about whether we were actually convinced of those lies.

    Ricky will continue to be a great man, father, son, brother, uncle, friend, entertainer... Only now he can be all of those things and more with the peace of mind that he is living his life without fear.

    Reading his blogpost might help you see that:

    My Life - Mi Vida

    Feel free to make a charitable donation to Habitat (building houses in Haiti/ Chile) or to The Ricky Martin Foundation (saving kids from human trafficking for the past decade) while you're visiting his site.

    "We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" --- President Barack Obama, 1-20-2009.

    by tier1express on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 01:05:27 AM PDT

    •  Of course I use "u" as a 3rd person substitute.NT (1+ / 0-)
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      "We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" --- President Barack Obama, 1-20-2009.

      by tier1express on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 01:16:34 AM PDT

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    •  Agree to some extent... (3+ / 0-)
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      But when you make a huge public announcement about your new found freedom, with the knowledge that it will be a big deal (sad as that may be), it's not only about him anymore -- especially since his denial created the drama to begin with. When you can't turn on the TV or go to a web site without seeing the breaking news about it, it has nothing to do with whether I am fucking him or not. When you choose to be a public figure, you have to be willing to roll with the punches. Sure, I'm happy for him that he finally feels comfortable enough to come but at his age in 2010, it's hardly heroic.

      •  You contradict yourself. (3+ / 0-)
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        The fact that it has proven a big enough deal and a big news item --- by your own admission --- proves that the "duh!" chorus is misplaced.

        You can't have it both ways. Either it's a big enough deal for him to announce it (in a way that is comfortable for him of course --- he chose his website and twitter, not a press release or round-robin interviews) OR it isn't a big deal at all because we already "knew". One OR the other.

        IMHO, the fact that you "can't turn on the TV or go to a web site without seeing the breaking news about it" is PROOF that it IS news. Whether it should be is a different matter. But that's not on Ricky.

        "We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" --- President Barack Obama, 1-20-2009.

        by tier1express on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 01:35:42 AM PDT

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      •  actually.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Had RM come out at the height of his career, it could have been damaging.

        Compared to when he was being played non-stop, his career today is somewhat obscured.

        Perhaps coming out now will generate some media attention and help his career, via the publicity.  

        I'm not saying that was a factor in coming out now.  It's just a possible beneficial coincidence.

        Either way, what's done is done and whatever happens, will happen.  Back to politics...  =)

        November Slogan: Pragmatic Moderation Corporations Can Believe In

        by Johnathan Ivan on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 01:53:55 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

      It's about Ricky releasing a new record and hoping to get a bump out of coming out.  It's a career gambit.  The "Gay Community"(tm) has known his status for a decade.

      Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

      by lostboyjim on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:04:56 AM PDT

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      •  You DO know that he's still a megastar outside (1+ / 0-)
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        the US and had one of the top grossing tours IN THE WORLD with his last album a couple years ago, right?

        FYI --- Ricky is reported to be worth $100M, using music seed money for lucrative investments. A fortune built on the fantasies of MILLIONS OF WOMEN wanting, unrealistically hoping to share his bed. I know his fanbase... from experience. This news in no way will HELP him make more money with that very loyal, spenthrift group of horny women.

        The music industry is basically stalled in the U.S. while artists still thrive in foreign markets, where this news will NOT help either.

        This is about a father wanting to be authentic and unashamed as he raises his sons to love themselves and to value honesty.

        "We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" --- President Barack Obama, 1-20-2009.

        by tier1express on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:21:07 AM PDT

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        •  OR... (0+ / 0-)

          This is about a father wanting to be authentic and unashamed as he raises his sons to love themselves and to value honesty.

          Or his boyfriend was tired of hiding and threatened to out him.  Sorry, Ricky has been a closet case for years.  I don't see this as brave and authentic and unashamed.  It's a publicity stunt, or someone had dirt that couldn't be denied and he's beating them to the punch.

          Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

          by lostboyjim on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:28:33 AM PDT

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          •  FoxNews-worthy sourcing from the Miami Herald. (1+ / 0-)
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            "We hear rumblings..." is the new journalistic standard I guess.

            Past lovers had spoken to the media before. And that never made him flinch. Something was different at this point in his life. And since I don't know any different, I take him at his word.

            Are you this hostile to any ADULT who comes out? Or does your suppor, compassion and sympathy have a use-by date?

            "We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" --- President Barack Obama, 1-20-2009.

            by tier1express on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:41:02 AM PDT

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            •  sympathy for super stars (1+ / 0-)
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              I have little sympathy for super-stars under any circumstance.  Coming out in 2000, at the height of his career, he could have helped Gay Rights world-wide.  Because you are right, he is bigger outside the US than here, and still is.  He could have Made A Difference.  So yeah, he has passed my use-by date on sympathy.

              I think the key difference here isn't our sympathy for those coming out, it's our trust level of super-stars and their motivations.   We may just have to disagree on that.

              Regardless, I did not mean to get in a big argument with you over this.  It is still good for the GLBT community that Martin is coming out, regardless of his motivation, and I applaud him for that, despite my suspicions regarding those motivations.

              Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

              by lostboyjim on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 10:34:40 AM PDT

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              •  I GET your anger and frustration w/ him. (0+ / 0-)

                The most I can ask is that you give him the benefit of the doubt to see how he goes forward with this truth. With his background and personal experiences, it was likely a long process to self-acceptance in the first place... much less for him to come out to the WORLD.

                Because equality delayed by even a second brings unbearable pain, I understand the frustration of thinking he could have helped gay rights a LONG TIME AGO if he'd had the courage. But the reality is (1) things HAVE come a long way in the past decade --- as insufficient as that progress may be; and (2) there is still MUCH to be done in the fight to achieve that full measure of equality.

                I can think of no better ally than the gentle, compassionate, and truly kind soul that is Ricky. I've been lucky to have encountered him on a personal level a few times and he is the real deal. A truly good person who wants to help bring healing... especially to children. I guess I just wish you would give him a chance to do better going forward.

                Thanks for the "chat".

                "We will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist" --- President Barack Obama, 1-20-2009.

                by tier1express on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 12:05:39 PM PDT

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  •  I'm bad with faces sometimes, but (5+ / 0-)

    I honestly thought the pic was of W. Bush at first.
    Then I read the article.
    As for who's straight, who's gay - who's cares...
    Unless, of course, power and hypocrisy are involved.

  •  You'll be amazed how many women fans (5+ / 0-)

    are 'shocked, shocked'. Just as a lot of little old ladies were shocked, shocked that Liberace was gay.

  •  Hey Ricky, now you can live la vida normal! (2+ / 0-)
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    "These are people of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know.....morons!" -The Waco Kid

    by fedorko on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:00:58 AM PDT

  •  I agree. This is like (2+ / 0-)
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    East Germany becoming Communist.

    I have flow thru Detriot in recent months and the number of TSA women in hijab is alarming. It's like the foxes are overseeing the chicken coop -- A RW blogger.

    by Kimball Cross on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:12:40 AM PDT

  •  I could only wish (0+ / 0-)

    that I'd live so long that a Ricky Martin coming out was not a big deal.

    Same deal as f*gg*t being as little used as n*gg*r, or gays being patronized as happy (hadn't heard that one for a while, until I heard it again in a Government office Monday morning.)  Or any of the other snide or ugly innuendo that we have to deal with so often from the straights in our faces.

    Or gays being bashed and even the so many straights that are bashed, because they look or sound "gay".

    Or when Bibles are a lot more than just the half a dozen or so clobber verses to far too many.

    I'm not holding my breath.

    The Taliban and al-Qaeda use bombs to try to terrorize the people; the Republicans use the media.

    by grada3784 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:37:54 AM PDT

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