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While a few eco-advocacy groups, like the Pew Environment Group, commended the Obama administration for its oil-drilling decision announced today, the majority, even those that have previously given the President high marks on the environment, are steamed.

Marilyn Heiman, director of the Pew Environment Group’s U.S. Arctic program, said:

We thank President Obama and Interior Secretary Salazar for protecting Bristol Bay, one of the planet’s richest marine ecosystems. ... Bristol Bay must be permanently protected for future generations as the home of the world’s largest wild sockeye salmon run and part of a region providing more than 40 percent of our nation’s seafood. With fish stocks declining around the globe, we cannot afford to put Bristol Bay’s vibrant fisheries at risk. ...

President Obama should be commended for proceeding carefully on new Arctic leasing until better spill response capabilities are in place and we know how to protect this sensitive region. ... Thorough science and planning must come before drilling in any marine waters. There should be no new lease sales in the Arctic Ocean until thorough research determines how such development will affect the traditional way of life of Alaska Natives and iconic species like the endangered bowhead whale.

Jackie Savitz, senior campaign manager at Oceana, wrote:

Very funny, Mr. President, but tomorrow is April Fool’s, not today. We can’t imagine that you’d go back on your promise to keep the moratorium on offshore drilling. ...

Oceana disagrees. We can not afford an ‘all of the above’ approach. Expanded offshore drilling will compete with the development of offshore wind for resources like investments, installation ships, technology and maritime expertise, making both oil and wind more expensive and slower to market. ...

Sadly, we are told this is not an April Fool, so we need your help. Let’s remind Obama to keep his promise.Take action now and let him know that offshore drilling is not the way to energy security.

Frances Beinecke, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council, said:

If we want to boost our domestic oil supply, we should focus on enhanced oil recovery from existing fields, a process that can supply more than 10 times the amount of oil that could be produced by drilling in our oceans over the same period.

Turning back the clock and returning to more offshore drilling, meanwhile, will do little to relieve America’s oil addiction.

According to the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration, drilling in America’s previously closed ocean areas "would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production...before 2030." Even then, "because oil prices are determined on the international market ...any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant."

Offshore drilling would yield little cost or supply benefit, and yet it would pose serious long-term danger to our beaches and marine life. It also threatens commercial fishing, ocean-related tourism, and recreation industries that contributed more than $128 billion to the nation’s economy in 2004 and supported more than 2 million jobs.

In a prepared statement, Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune, said:

We're very disappointed to see important areas like the Arctic coast and the Mid and South Atlantic stay open to oil drilling.

What we need is bold, decisive steps towards clean energy, like the new clean cars regulations announced this week--not more dirty, expensive offshore drilling.

The oil industry already has access to drilling on millions of acres of America's public lands and water. We don't need to hand over our last protected pristine coastal areas just so oil companies can break more profit records. ...

President Obama has taken important steps to combat global warming pollution and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. Our nation's increasing investment in clean energy and efficiency measures make drilling in sensitive coastal areas even more unnecessary.

There's no reason to drill our coasts. We can achieve real energy independence and economic vitality by investing in clean energy like wind and solar and efficiency. This kind of power creates good, lasting American jobs and positions our nation to become a global leader in the new clean energy economy.

The new executive director of Greenpeace, Phil Radford, said:

"Is this President Obama’s clean energy plan or Palin’s drill baby drill campaign? While China and Germany are winning the clean energy race, this act furthers America’s addiction to oil. Expanding offshore drilling in areas that have been protected for decades threatens our oceans and the coastal communities that depend on them with devastating oil spills, more pollution and climate change."

On the web site of the District of Columbia Office of Environment America, Director Anna Aurilio stated:

Environment America is outraged that this administration will substantially increase offshore oil drilling. There is no need to threaten our beaches, wildlife and tourism with oil spills and pollution when we have much better solutions -- putting cleaner cars on the road today that will dramatically cut oil consumption; shifting to plug-in cars powered by the wind and the sun that use little to no oil and investing more in public transportation.

While China and Germany are winning the clean energy race, this act furthers America’s addiction to oil. Expanding offshore drilling in areas that have been protected for decades threatens our oceans and the coastal communities that depend on them with devastating oil spills, more pollution and climate change. ...

"Drilling for oil and gas is still a dirty and dangerous business. Opening much of the Atlantic coast to drilling will threaten the last remaining Northern right whales, endangered sea turtles and vibrant tourism economies from Delaware to Florida.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:40 PM PDT.

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  •  There was a great cartoon, perhaps one of our (18+ / 0-)

    graphic scholars can find it, of Uncle Sam looking like a strung-out junkie with a hypodermic needle that was an oil barrel. That's our policy, just "one more and we'll promise to quit!".

    Has anyone noticed the "Invisible Hand of the Free Market" is still giving us the bird?

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:44:28 PM PDT

  •  Unbelievable (37+ / 0-)

    But hey, if you're livid about this bullshit, it's just because you're an Obama hater right?

    "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

    by Earth Ling on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:44:30 PM PDT

    •  Definitely a great way (19+ / 0-)

      to alienate the base.  And right after he was on a roll from a health care victory.  If he puts any political capital into this it will destroy turnout in the next election for Dems.

      I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

      by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:47:02 PM PDT

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        •  Because you somehow missed him saying this in... (0+ / 0-)

          ...the general election - REPEATEDLY?

          Starting in August of 2008, he said he was open to this as part of a larger strategy. He said it throughout the general.

          Is it that you don't remember?

          May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.

          by dasheight on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:22:41 PM PDT

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          •  Doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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            For him to announce this right after the end of the health care fight is horrible timing.  Horrible.

            People want him to be progressive.  He needs to explain that drilling won't do anything.  Or he needs to just not bring it up.

            If this goes as well as HIR then we'll end up with mandatory purchases of American oil.

            I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

            by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 10:19:58 PM PDT

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          •  Is it that you don't remember? (0+ / 0-)

            A bit of a refresher for you........

            Rhetoric has to be matched with actions. "Only actions don't lie."

            by allenjo on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 06:59:43 AM PDT

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      •  You mean "healthcare insurance for all", surely. (11+ / 0-)

        Nothing was fixed about the causes of skyrocketing costs for healthcare. Hospitals and doctors will still order unnecessary tests, insurance agents will continue to shuffle money into corporate jets and executive getaways, and premiums will continue to rise.

        None of that has been fixed.

        I'm writing in Lizard People on my next ballot.

        by George Hier on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:52:52 PM PDT

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      •  The Base (3+ / 0-)

        The base needs to stop doing their best tea party impersonations. If the Democrats governed exclusively for the base there would be no Democratic party left at all. Ideology is fine but the game is politics. You get huge amounts of funding in a difficult deep deficit environment for alternative energy at the expense of the possibility of offshore drilling which, at best, could last for a few years. That's a good deal. More than the right is going to do for you. Unlike the Tea Party folks the radical left doesn't hold the Democratic party hostage. We'll do what we can for you because we generally agree on the big picture but you gotta be realistic about the politics here too. You give a little to get a lot. Gotta trust in the President and his people -- they know politics.

        •  Whatever (17+ / 0-)

          This isn't a tea party impression, and to insinuate that progressives just need to shut up when the president does something this bad is absurd.  Quit with the nonsense.

          Gotta trust in the President and his people -- they know politics.

          Right, that's how we got a public option for health care insurance, the president and his people know politics.

          I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

          by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:08:41 PM PDT

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          •  Again.... (0+ / 0-)
            1. Don't shut up. Unlike the radical right I don't think any of us want to discourage different opinions. Just pointing out there are times the conservative and moderate wing of the party has to smile and take one for the team too because it's what is politically viable and wise.
            1. Public option is a really good example of my point. If the public option supporters simply refused to support the Senate bill we would have got nothing at all. They did a good job educating the public on the value of a public option. They fought hard to get it in. At the end of the day the consensus of the party and the country was not with the public option. It'll happen someday but we're just not there yet.

            Personally I think people upset about this do need to consider the "call big oil's bluff" angle carefully but if they don't like that line of reasoning I don't think having the extreme left and extreme right upset over something is all that bad. The President doesn't wake up in the morning thinking "How can I make the left happy today?" He thinks "What is the ideal policy? What is realistic?  What is politically viable? What is politically wise?" That's not a bad thing.

            I would suggest including generous funding for oil spill cleanups on land & water along with stiff fines for the oil industry when spills occur. Obviously offshore drilling includes some inherent amount of mess so let's just do a much better job cleaning up the messes we can avoid, get a ton of money and support for energy alternatives, win a political victory, and sit back and watch as big oil back pedals on offshore drilling. I really think it's a win-win-win situation.

            •  You're wrong (0+ / 0-)

              At the end of the day the consensus of the party and the country was not with the public option.

              No, the country supported the public option, as did the party, by a majority.  

              I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

              by AoT on Fri Apr 02, 2010 at 06:27:24 PM PDT

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        •  As Rachael M said, Obama is following in Bill (17+ / 0-)

          C's footsteps...Bill being one of the better Republican presidents that we have had in years.

          "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

          by lakehillsliberal on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:16:47 PM PDT

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        •  Look, here's what I don't get. (13+ / 0-)

          Why the hell do we have to agree to shooting off our own foot every time we want to bandage up a wound?

          We know abstinence-only education doesn't work. And yet, every time an education bill comes up, we've got to shove money at that idiocy. Why? There's no fucking point, and everyone knows it.

          We know cheap oil is finite. The dead-dino-fairies ain't making any more of it. Sure, we can crack shale and refine tar sand, but that's still going to be more expensive than what we used all through the 20th and early 21st centuries. Cheap oil MUST end. It's a mathematical certainty. And yet we're still fighting over drilling rights for a whopping 2-years worth of oil. That's it. That's all that's left under American soil. 2 years worth of oil. That's what we're fighting over. Do you really think that getting another 2 years of cheap oil is going to do us any fucking good?

          We have to get off of oil. For the sake of modern fucking civilization, that's why.

          So why the fuck are we giving the corporate-fellating right these offshore drilling permits, when we know damned well it isn't going to buy us any time, or any votes? There's NO FUCKING REASON.

          I'm writing in Lizard People on my next ballot.

          by George Hier on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:19:31 PM PDT

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          •  The coprorate friendly prez... (8+ / 0-)

            So why the fuck are we giving the corporate-fellating right these offshore drilling permits, when we know damned well it isn't going to buy us any time, or any votes? There's NO FUCKING REASON.

            I'll take a stab at an answer - Because it benefits corporate profits, and corporate profits are of paramount importance to this Blue Dog president.

          •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

            Why are we fighting over it? Why make it a political liability? It's not enough oil to really change anything. Big oil hasn't maximized its extraction of oil in their existing land & offshore locations anyway. Let's call their bluff on it. When gas prices go back up offshore drilling is going to be a noose around our necks. Offshore drilling isn't going to solve a thing but fighting to stop it certainly will slow down the potential for a broader energy bill getting support. Given the conditions it's unlikely there will even be any significant environmental impact since big oil is more interested in cheap foreign sources than expensive domestic ones. It's purely a political issue at this point.

            •  How much is this going to destroy? (0+ / 0-)

              And I don't mean politically I mean environmentally.  Do you know what it takes to safely decommission an oil platform?  Seriously, a lot.

              I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

              by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 10:25:42 PM PDT

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              •  Depends... (0+ / 0-)

                Depends on who you believe I guess. I'm not a geologist. I've read everything from it's not that big of a deal since natural oil seepage occurs in the ocean to it's the end of the world as we know it.

        •  "We'll do what we can for you" (2+ / 0-)
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          Thank you, may I have another?

        •  No, the base needs to quit being battered wives. (6+ / 0-)
          Quit throwing yourselves under the bus.

          Quit finding reasons not to fight back.

          Quit caving.

          Quit thinking our ideas are somehow unsellable to anyone other than latte sippers in Seattle, Portland, and Manhattan.

        •  LOL (2+ / 0-)
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          the "radical" Left as you put it are the realistic ones.

          There is nothing that this administration has done thus far for me to "trust" them.

          And you're talking to someone here who gave the man the benefit of the doubt for too long.

          Language is wine upon the lips. -Virginia Woolf

          by valadon on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:51:47 PM PDT

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        •  That was snark, right? (0+ / 0-)

          Ideology is fine but the game is politics.

          You get huge amounts of funding in a difficult deep deficit environment for alternative energy at the expense of the possibility of offshore drilling which, at best, could last for a few years. That's a good deal.

          Gotta trust in the President and his people -- they know politics.

          Rhetoric has to be matched with actions. "Only actions don't lie."

          by allenjo on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 07:02:35 AM PDT

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      •  Its as if (3+ / 0-)
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        Obama thought...ooof.  With the HCR and the recess appointments I really pissed the GOP off.  I should give them something.

        We have to beat him back on this.

      •  Especially the young vote (3+ / 0-)
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        they already are a iffy bunch in mid terms this might just keep them at home....

        How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened. Thomas Jefferson

        by coffejoe on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:20:19 PM PDT

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      •  The Base... (1+ / 0-)
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        Is a pretty broad group.  Tell me this decision was bad this summer, a month or two from the election, and the working class portion of our base is staring at $4-5 a gallon gasoline and wants to know what the party is gonna do about it.

        •  This is going to do (12+ / 0-)

          absolutely nothing for gas prices.  It wouldn't start any new drilling for years, much less in time for this fall.  If the party wants to help the working class they need to move away from a car based society.  Of course the Dems don't have the gumption to do that.

          I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

          by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:25:00 PM PDT

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          •  I Didn't Say It Would. (1+ / 0-)
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            I said it would provide us with an answer to that question.

            And yeah, having the (tiny) progressive part of our base tell the (huge) working class part of our base to "Ride a bike you fat fucks!" is hilariously off point.

            •  We know the answer (0+ / 0-)

              It isn't even close to a question anymore.

              It isn't going to do shit.

              I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

              by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:38:11 PM PDT

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              •  I'm Quite Sure... (0+ / 0-)

                I just said that.

                •  Let me get this straight (3+ / 0-)
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                  If the question was what the party is going to do for the working class and high gas prices, and the answer is offshore drilling, which we both agree won't do anything, then doesn't that mean the party is going to do nothing for the working class?

                  I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                  by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:54:37 PM PDT

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                  •  Sort of. (0+ / 0-)

                    Offshore drilling won't reduce gas prices for the working class, no.  

                    Other policies we carry out will.  But none of those other policies will get anywhere though if we get crushed this fall.  Being able to tell our base that we're doing everything we can (or rather, everything our average voter thinks should be done), even offshore drilling, helps to keep that from happening.

                    We can't be going into this fall's election with 10-20% unemployment (even higher amongst our base), housing still in the shitter, and gas prices at $4-5 a gallon as the GOP screams "Where's the drilling?!"  A sentiment our base shares, rightly or wrongly.

                    •  So your argument is... (1+ / 0-)
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                      that we should do something that you admit is completely ineffectual, then lie about its results by pretending it's a realistic solution?

                      That's the exact same kind of false, disingenuous political hackery that we righteously attack the Republicans for using, and it's being used to further tighten the grip of giant corporations on our energy resources.

                      If that's the kind of Democratic Party you want, I don't want any part of it.

                      •  When The Progressive Alternatives... (0+ / 0-)

                        Are by and large things like telling our base to "Ride a bike you fat fucks!", as was argued for earlier in this thread, it's hard not to turn to cynical (and quite effective) ploys like this one.

                        People want to know the government is doing something to try and help them.  What alternatives to further oil drilling are you suggesting, that have any hope of being embraced by our base?  Which have any hope of going into effect in less time than it'll take new oil wells to come on line?  Which are politically passable, and won't lead to another lost year of wrangling?  

                        •  Right, "ride a bike you fat fucks" (1+ / 0-)
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                          Because advocating for more public transportation and more walking friendly cities is the same thing as telling people the are fat because they don't ride a bike.  Bikes are a good thing to encourage, especially in cities, but they are in no way the whole solution.  Of course, you also ignore that a whole ton of working class folks use public transport, or even bikes, because they can't afford cars.

                          Of course you just want to further the punch the DFH line.  It's cool, I understand.

                          I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                          by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:39:59 PM PDT

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                          •  I Am... (0+ / 0-)

                            A 'DFH'.  I just have some sort of clue about the working class, something that most of the progressives around here seem to lack.  It's like pulling teeth to even get people around here to acknowledge that they make up the bulk of our base, and that their concerns aren't the same as your's.

                          •  I am working class (1+ / 0-)
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                            I ride a bike because I lost my license and couldn't afford to get it back, and then couldn't afford to get a new car once I could get my license back.  There are a hell of a lot of people who have the same problem as I did.

                            My point:  Helping the everyone stop using cars is the best thing that can hapen.

                            I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                            by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:15:10 PM PDT

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                          •  It works in Europe... (1+ / 0-)
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                            ... ride around in Paris during the middle of the day.  10 bikes / scooters per car.  And what did it take to get it that way?  $6 a gallon.

                          •  It Took More Than That. (0+ / 0-)

                            Our cities are not laid out like their's.  Same with our suburbs.  Even our small rural towns.  Moreover, you're ignoring the existing cultural differences, and the fact that expensive gas wasn't a sudden shock to an entire country used to functioning in an entirely different way.

                            You can't restructure the entire US economy, culture, and infrastructure overnight (or over a summer) as gas skyrockets.  Not without massive amounts of chaos and upheaval.

                          •  No, but you can start doing something about it. (1+ / 0-)
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                            ...and you already admitted that allowing all this new drilling won't do a damn thing about gas prices for a decade, if it ever even does.

                            Start restructuring now, and maybe we'll be ready when the oil pumps go dry for good. Because it's going to happen, and probably in my lifetime.

                            Or we can just adjust our policies to keep ensuring the multinational petroleum giants make their billions of dollars in profits.

                            Your call.

                          •  I Firmly Believe... (0+ / 0-)

                            That renewables will eclipse fossil fuels in cost effectiveness and efficiency before we see anything like an honest-to-god oil crash in which all the wells start running dry.  

                            They're ridiculously close as is.  One of these summers, probably in the next decade or two, oil is going to spike up above renewables in cost, and stay there.  And we'll finally start to make the transition to renewable energy.  

                            The more we drill, the more we improve efficiency, the more nuclear plants get approved, the further along the technology behind renewable energy gets, and the closer they get to eclipsing fossil fuels.  

                          •  You're missing the point (0+ / 0-)

                            We have a society based around transporting individuals in vehicles that weigh around a ton.  That's a horrible transportation solution.  Even the trains and buses we have now have a pretty poor weight to capacity ration, but if we actually focused on that sort thing it would come down in no time at all.

                            You want a solution to out employment and jobs problem, start making an obscene number of buses and trains and bikes.  It'll make public transportation dirt cheap and provide jobs.  We have a decent manufacturing infrastructure for it and we have the know how.

                            I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

                            by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:27:05 PM PDT

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                        •  Sure, here's some ideas. (1+ / 0-)
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                          We could announce, tomorrow, a quadrupling of federal support for mass transit construction and operation, along with new federal subsidies for bicycle lanes and paths to make it easier for people to bike to work.

                          How about increasing tax credits for buying high-efficiency motor vehicles and providing tax breaks for people who choose not to own a car?

                          We could launch federal investigations into the absurdly high profits raked in by petroleum companies, putting public pressure on Chevron, ExxonMobil and the rest to reduce prices.

                          Oh, but those would be difficult, expensive and we'd have to spend time explaining them to the public. Never mind, let's just agree with the Republicans and pander to the gas-guzzlers.

                          •  Difficult, Expensive and Hard to Explain... (0+ / 0-)

                            Isn't good.  

                            I can't believe you recognized that your suggestions would be those things, and then simply brushed those very real problems with them aside in favor of frustrated snark.  Actually, I suppose I can.

                          •  I can't believe... (0+ / 0-)

                            that you support a policy that you admit will be completely ineffectual and justify it by saying that we should simply lie about its results.

                            Karl Rove would be proud.

                          •  Karl Rove... (0+ / 0-)

                            Didn't invent this shit.  Politicians have been operating like this forever.

                          •  So that means we should keep doing it? (0+ / 0-)

                            I guess "Change we can believe in" was a fraud all along.

                          •  By the way... (1+ / 0-)
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                            The only thing "difficult" about them is that we'd have to shove them down the Republicans' throats.

                            Otherwise, the public is in favor of expanded mass transit options, would love more tax breaks for efficient living and would wildly support a populist attack on the obscene profits raked in by the petrogiants.

                            Where do we get the money? Hmm, I hear we're spending billions upon billions of dollars on a useless foreign war somewhere... I wonder if we might... nah, can't do that.

                            The Democrats can't or won't do anything we elected them to do, and they wonder why we're not interested in re-electing them this year.

                          •  Not Just The Republicans... (0+ / 0-)

                            The moderates in our party as well.  Getting past the Republicans is actually easier, as we saw with HCR.

                            And your last paragraph is simply wrong.  I know that's the current progressive explanation for why we're likely going to be losing some seats here, but it's not true.  

                      •  You don't have to lie. (0+ / 0-)

                        You don't have to lie -- you just get out of the way and let big oil take the damage. You don't get in the middle of a dog fight. Everyone knows that. This is between the American people and big oil. If the Democrats want to step in the middle of it they're going to be taking damage from both sides.

      •  Another Victory! (1+ / 0-)
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        he knows we have no where to go, so it is totally worth sticking it in our face, again. I can't wait to see the final financial reform legislation. It will most likely contain all Republican proposals (like health care) and we will call it a victory.

        "War is the health of the state." Randolph Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

        by american pastoral on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:41:42 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  that's right (15+ / 0-)

      I guess I'm now an Obama hater too, but we don't understand that Obama is playing 12-dimensional chess.

    •  Earth huggers (13+ / 0-)

      Bunch of environmentalists insisting we stop pissing in our pond. Can't they see that Obama is playing chess, ferchrists sake?

    •  I'm a dirty hippie. (4+ / 0-)

      And an Obama hater, actually. Oh, and a purity troll or something like that.

    •  Just Like... (0+ / 0-)

      If you approve of it, you're an kool-aid drinking Obama worshiper.  

      •  I do approve. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        esquimaux

        In a nihilistic sort of way, I'm happy to see that we're going to eventually burn through all of the oil. There's no need to do this slowly, there's no reason to drag out the inevitable. Drill it, burn it and move on.

        I had a thought hallucination earlier, and since it's okay to propose crazy theories about this administration's motives in an effort to portray them in a positive light, I'll share: This is a preemptive defensive maneuver. In the coming years as the oil runs out, the armies of rogue nations will roam the earth searching for oil like crack head zombies patrolling Aurora Avenue after dark. Obama's plan? If there's no oil here when the junkies come looking, we'll be safe.

        Thanks in advance Obama!

      •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        catilinus

        Just wrong.

        I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

        by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:33:39 PM PDT

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    •  No (0+ / 0-)

      Not a hater. But it is an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction.

      •  How is it unnecessary? (0+ / 0-)
        When do the so-called pragmatists draw the line?  

        Whether it's the big tenterism, the bipartisanship, or the platitudes about compromise, when do you finally draw the line?

        When do you stop handwringing about looking like Naderites or Club for Growthers and start to wonder if you're becoming a sheep?

        •  Because he said he was open to it (0+ / 0-)

          Before he was elected. And governing is all about compromising. I'm not one for drawing lines in the sand.

          •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

            Bush said he wanted big-ass tax cuts?  Does that make it right?  My god, have our standards gone so low that a candidate merely following a promise makes it okay, no matter what the promise was?

            And we have to start drawing lines.  Haven't we learned that already when dealing with the Republicans?  There is only so much ground you can give before you're falling off the cliff.  At some point, you have to stand your ground and fight, even if it means you may lose.  Not all disputes can end with compromise; sometimes, there has to be a winner.

            •  Unfortunately (0+ / 0-)

              This has a least as much, if not more to do with getting Democratic votes. And compromises are worth it if you get something in return. We shall see what is in the final bill. Like HCR there will be much good.

          •  Since when is selling our FUTURE (0+ / 0-)

            considered a compromise? This is so beyond anything that is moral. Just because Alaska is hard to get to doesn't mean that direct civil disobedience cannot and will not happen against these firms and the government that is controlled by them. This should be considered a threat to our future.

    •  No. It just means you WEREN'T LISTENING to... (0+ / 0-)

      ...him in the general election when he REPEATEDLY SAID that he was open to off-shore drilling if it were part of a larger energy strategy.

      Seriously - he was making that case starting in August of 2008, and repeatedly said it throughout the election.

      If you're "livid" about it, then you weren't paying attention.

      I heard it plain as day, because I was following the election closely and paid attention to what my candidate was saying.

      This is NOTHING NEW.

      May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.

      by dasheight on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:21:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What can one say about this. (8+ / 0-)

    I am pretty much pissed off and really can't find one redeeming factor in this decision.

    I guess I need more information but on the surface this is not the guy I voted for.

    " In our every deliberation,we must consider the impact of our decisions on the next seven generations" From the great law of the Iroquois confederacy.

    by flatford39 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:45:31 PM PDT

    •  here's some persepctive for you (13+ / 0-)

      can't find one redeeming factor in this decision.

      Me either.  

      But these guys can...allow me to paste from their PDF

      FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


      March 31, 2010

      Business Roundtable Statement on Administration’s Proposal to Open Offshore Areas to Drilling

      Washington – "Business Roundtable, an association of CEOs of America’s leading companies, commends today’s decision by the Administration to open new areas for oil and natural gas exploration off the Atlantic, Gulf and Alaskan coasts.

      "This decision is an important first step towards greater energy security for our nation. As we have long advocated, policymakers must enhance the use of domestic sources of energy as part of a comprehensive approach to improve energy security and spur job creation. Oil and natural gas will continue to play a critical role in meeting our nation’s energy needs as we move towards a more sustainable future.

      "As business and energy leaders, we recognize our role in this conversation and encourage the Administration and Congress to view this as an essential step forward in a larger process. We will continue to work with President Obama, Secretary Ken Salazar, Carol Browner and policymakers on both sides of the aisle to move this proposal forward, create more jobs and ensure stronger energy security for our nation," said Michael G. Morris, Chair of Business Roundtable’s Sustainable Growth Initiative and Chairman, President and CEO, American Electric Power.

      # # #

      Business Roundtable is an association of chief executive officers of leading U.S. companies with nearly $6 trillion in annual revenues and more than 12 million employees. Member companies comprise nearly a third of the total value of the U.S. stock markets and pay more than 60 percent of all corporate income taxes paid to the federal government. Annually, they return more than $167 billion in dividends to shareholders and the economy.


      Business Roundtable companies give more than $7 billion a year in combined charitable contributions, representing nearly 60 percent of total corporate giving. They are technology innovation leaders, with more than $111 billion in annual research and development spending – nearly half of all total private R&D spending in the U.S.

      Emphasis mine.

      "The more the Democrats pursue the center... the further to the right the "center" moves." -fellow kossack vacantlook

      by Hopeful Skeptic on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:56:56 PM PDT

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  •  This move is very, very, very disappointing (18+ / 0-)

    to say the least.  What more is there to say?  Obama continues to be obsessed with bipartisanship and getting the Republicans to like him.  I don't get it.

    •  See his interview (0+ / 0-)

      with Matt Lauer regarding the divide in Washington, how it is worst now, if the dems are at fault...Obama basically played the statesman indicating both parties exaggerate.

      How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened. Thomas Jefferson

      by coffejoe on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:28:52 PM PDT

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    •  He knows this won't win Republican votes... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Bluestorm

      It's more to win Conservadem votes and support from the oil companies themselves. Like cutting a deal with Pharma at beginning of HCR strategy.

      The very same oil companies that have been on a tear recently lying the American people into confusion about the very existence of global warming. He wants to bring them on board, pay them off and give them what they want, rather than fight them.

      This is the most disgusting decision I have seen yet from Obama. I have been sticking up for him through thick and thin, but tonight I cancelled out of several OFA events. I just cannot defend this, or take one more rhetorical baseball bat to my hippie face.

      The question is where to go next. We cannot sit around all disorganized. We need to make the fury from the left heard as loud as the Tea Party's, otherwise there is no point in bitching.

      I am going to start by not riding in a car. Ever. I've already been living in LA for four years without owning one, how much harder could it be to not bum rides either?

  •  I'd wait and see (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JugOPunch, oceanstateliberal247

    He has to of known this would raise dust. Must have a plan.

    God help those guys setting anchors on the semi submersibles in the Atlantic.

    "Don't fall or we both go" Derek Hersey

    by ban nock on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:45:45 PM PDT

    •  "I have a cunning plan" (nt) (3+ / 0-)
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    •  There's no way (7+ / 0-)

      this is a good thing.  Even bringing it up for discussion, much less making a proposal, is absolutely horrible.  I agree he must have a plan.  I don't think it need be a good one, or one that is good for the environment.

      I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

      by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:49:12 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'd think it's the part of a broader energy (0+ / 0-)

        policy. Obama has done well so far, I'll go ahead and give him the benefit of the doubt.

        We burn a heck of a lot of oil, maybe 1/5 of the worlds use? Right now a lot of our money is going to Mexico, Venusuala, and Canada, and because we are buying there other countries purchase from people like the Saudis, Iran, etc.

        We need to burn something for now, better the money goes to us.

        I think I heard today it has to be 125 miles offshore in the Atlantic, the Gulf of Mexico is chock a block full of platforms already. Alaska looks like above Prudoe Bay as I remember, I dont' follow that carefull. No ANWAR, No Canyonlands.

        We need to stop burning so much fuel if we really are worried.

        Libs drive Land Rovers and Toyota Land Cruisers but they still pollute and burn oil.

        "Don't fall or we both go" Derek Hersey

        by ban nock on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:57:44 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  This won't help (5+ / 0-)

          our oil consumption at all.  It will be minuscule in  terms of how much oil we import.  This has always been the case.  Add to that the fact that these well wouldn't even go online for 10 years, at least, by when we seriously need to stop using oil, and you have a completely pointless, except perhaps politically, situation.  Offshore oil won't help us at all.

          And I'd note that lots of people, on both sides of the political spectrum drive cars that use oil.  That doesn't make it a good thing.

          I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

          by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:05:04 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yup we all drive (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            coffejoe

            and eat meat, and ship vegetables a long way and otherwise burn a heck of a lot of oil. When I stop seeing bike racks and ski racks on cars I'll know we're headed in the right direction.

            Face it, we're energy hogs.

            We don't know how much oil is under the Atlantic or the arctic, never had siesmic tests.

            Whatever we do, until we stop buring it we're in trouble.

            "Don't fall or we both go" Derek Hersey

            by ban nock on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:09:45 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Well, to be fair (0+ / 0-)

              I don't drive or eat meat.  But until we get rid of the damn things we are in a damn lot of trouble.

              I refuse to represent my political beliefs using numbers. It isn't accurate, nor is it helpful. But I'm around a -10 on both scales.

              by AoT on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:15:34 PM PDT

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        •  Hilarious! (3+ / 0-)
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          Bluestorm, TheUnknown285, allenjo

          Broader energy policy? Joke, right?

          No, this administration really is being run by center-right triangulators. Liberals got played, conservatives got ground into the dirt. And he's gonna be here for a long time. He's very good at this already.

          I sure would like to see their electoral roadmap for the next few years.

          •  Center -right Traingulators (0+ / 0-)

            Spot on analysis.   HIs callousness is stunning though.
            Like a shot across the bow at anyone who would disagree, and there are lots of us who are appalled.

            Do they really believe this will cover them in 2010 races?  

            I was always fascinated that Rover could keep the 3% crazies, right wing wackos in his tent and beat the dems.  I thought Axlerod understood they had motivated and coordinated a pretty good cross section of progressives and loyal dems as well as a few conservoative dems. But why would you alienate the base and the progressives if you want to win at the polls?  Clearly they don't respect the base or they are completely owned by the corporations--- seems its both now. Banks, big pharma and insurance, now big oil are the clear winners.

        •  "id give him the benefit of the doubt" (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          really?

          I wouldnt.

          •  Yup (0+ / 0-)

            as said elswhere I like the HCR bill, looks like banking bill might pull through, millions of acres up in the Wyoming Range off limits, stimulous is paying salaries for my kids teachers, kids are on CHIP, best since Johnson, well, I liked Carter too, but he's a lot better than Clinton, and he isn't pulling any Gulf of Tonkins on us like LBJ. His  accomplishments are too long to list.

            And it's been what 15 months?

            "Don't fall or we both go" Derek Hersey

            by ban nock on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:17:27 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  I've got a plan too ... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        greenearth, MO Blue, aliasalias

        Lets stick a f(*&ing oil rig 50 miles off the coast of Chicago in the middle of F(*&ing Lake Michigan.

        There might be oil there too.  WHO KNOWS?!?!

    •  No time for "wait and see". (0+ / 0-)

      My immediate reaction to the announcement was disappointment, but I'm prepared to listen to reasonable arguments from all sides.

      But it would appear that outrage is what's called for, so I suppose I'll smash stuff up instead.

    •  He knows what he's doing (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kitebro, ban nock

      This forces the big oil cos to put up or shut up.  Even they don't have the $$$ to throw away on such a risky endeavor--and they have a shitload of money.  I think this is a shrewd political move, and I'll bet we'll see a shift towards easier energy finds, efficiency and GASP alternatives.  

      Welcome to the headquarters of pulling facts out of my hindquarters

      by Mike E on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:54:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  His plan is (4+ / 0-)

      the same as with HCR.  He has none.  He's just going to triangulate himself out of office.  He has no plan other than to stay in office.

    •  Here is his plan add something that gets over 45 (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      coffejoe

      Lets look at the areas we are going to drill in.

      North carolina  (Kay Hagan)

      Virginia  (mark wrrner)

      South Carolina (Lindsy Gramh is a Gop but also co sponser of perliminary bill.....)

      Alaska (Mark Biecagh)

      Florida  (Bill nelson)

      hm this happens to affect 4 centrist dems and 1gettable gop.  

      The back is Kos land channel rage at them not Obama.  do not blame Obama go after these four dems plus the usual suspects... Ben Nelson Blanche Pryor Evin Byiah..........  

      Ora Lee Tate is suing, that usually means we win and they are desperate..... victory brings the crazies out of the closet.

      by oceanstateliberal247 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:19:13 PM PDT

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    •  3 FP diaries on drilling (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      TheUnknown285

      This is all part of the plan. All that's missing is Ashton Kutcher to come out of nowhere and say "YOU'VE BEEN TRIANGULATED!"

      "Obamacare is dead with not the slightest prospect of resurrection" - Fred Barnes, 1/20/10

      by just some lurker guy on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:21:25 PM PDT

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  •  Check list (24+ / 0-)

    Big bank bailouts.  Check.

    Sweetheart deals for big insurance and big pharma.  Check.

    Offshore drilling giveaways to big oil.  Check.

    Next?

    We who have been nothing shall be all. This is the final struggle. ~E. Poitier

    by ActivistGuy on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:46:14 PM PDT

  •  Obama kicks Demo base to curb for 2010. (15+ / 0-)

    Just when you thought you were out of the depression of no health care reform, Obama drags Democrats back with absolutely pointless giveaway of off shore oil drilling off East coast beaches and fishing grounds.

    There is not a single technical or economic study that shows East Coast drilling will help US on reducing oil imports, reducing military spending for Middle East oil, reduce US greenhouse gas emissions, produce significant jobs.

    It is completely pointless but it does depress people who are pro environment, pro clean water and beaches, pro fishing...the Democratic base.

    Obama must love working with GOP Congress so much he's doing everything he can, from Bob Dole's health care plan to drilling offshore, to make sure he has a GOP majority in Congress in 2010.

  •  Bristol Bay is not safe (5+ / 0-)

    Not if Pebble Limited Partnership has anything to do with it. Gold, copper, and molybdenum will be mined and the chances of pollution are real:

    The dam and 10-square-mile-wide containment pond are intended to hold between 2.5 billion and 8 billion tons of mine waste that Pebble would produce over its lifetime. Because the sulfide, or acid-generating, nature of the Pebble ore body, the waste would require environmental treatment in perpetuity. Any release of mine waste into the surface or groundwater has the potential to harm Bristol Bay’s salmon runs.

  •  seriously, reversal? (7+ / 0-)

    while running for president he said he'd entertain offshore drilling as a part of a larger energy policy.  so, "reversal?"

  •  The sound you hear is that of the Overton (11+ / 0-)

    Window's boots marching in lockstep to the right.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:53:26 PM PDT

  •  Missing the point... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Karl Rover, zizi

    I understand it's their job to speak to the policy and not the politics but they're really missing the point that offshore drilling is now, and always has been, purely a political issue. As a result it requires a political response. Forcing big oil's hand on offshore drilling is a brillant move. If they wanted to increase domestic production they good but it's more profitable for them to buy cheaper oil somewhere else.  Offshore drilling was the perfect excuse and a dangerous political advantage. Bush had 6 years to authorize offshore drilling in these spots. He didn't. Why? Because it was too good of a political issue to give up. This is no different than the President's response to HCR repealers: "bring it on" I see no evidence to suggest the oil industry is serious about a significant increase in offshore drilling. Are they going to spend this money just to prove a political point? I doubt it very much. They'll run into problems at the state level, they'll maybe do a little drilling, and we'll never hear about it again. The next time gas prices go up they'll be talking about ANWR or some other magical solution to all of our oil needs.

  •  Is he trying to take away any leverage (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    environmentalist, coffejoe

    the right thinks they have?  If so, I think this is a misstep...

    "Now if people got problems and they got problems with people oh yeah I know what it is to be there." - DW

    by ScantronPresident on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 05:53:38 PM PDT

  •  On a slightly more positive note (6+ / 0-)

    Loop hole closed for Rocky Mountain drilling

    The Obama administration will limit the use of an administrative shortcut that has been used to approve thousands of drilling permits across the Rocky Mountains without full environmental reviews.

    The policy change was reflected in the settlement late Tuesday of a lawsuit filed in Utah by environmental groups that challenged the Bush administration's interpretation of the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

    The act allows federal land managers to fast-track drilling permits without ordering an environmental assessment of the consequences

  •  Reality is (and always was) that oil is coming (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    VelvetElvis

    out.

    We can either do it ourselves and at least attempt to be responsible about it; or simply mindlessly oppose all offshore drilling, which is eventually going to lose us enough political power that we will no longer be able to oppose it, and it will be done by our opponents in an irresponsible manner.

    But either way, that oil is coming out. Guaranteed.

    I personally would like to see Obama remove all the drilling licenses that are not being used and turn them over to a government-owned, non-profit oil company who uses every cent of profit to speed our search for alternative energies and a way to strip carbon from the air.

    But it's never been a question of if those sites would be drilled. Its always been a question of when, and by who, and how responsibly.

    Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

    by Whimsical on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:00:58 PM PDT

    •  Yes, that oil will definitely be coming out now (9+ / 0-)

      After dispirited Dems, hippy-punched by the Transformative Triangulator for three more years, stay home and put a Republican back in the White House.

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:04:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The oil was always going to come out (0+ / 0-)

        The relevant question is is it better if we do it or they do it?

        My moneys on us doing it better.

        Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

        by Whimsical on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:00:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  You call it "mindless" (6+ / 0-)

      We call it responsible.

      Catholic Church: Example of Religion thats TOO BIG TO FAIL

      by Detroit Mark on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:06:17 PM PDT

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      •  Ignoring human nature (0+ / 0-)

        and the consequences that will arise from your doing so in no way can be considered responsible.

        Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

        by Whimsical on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:57:24 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  I like this part (0+ / 0-)

      government-owned, non-profit oil company who uses every cent of profit to speed our search for alternative energies and a way to strip carbon from the air.

      I know what many would call that ;-) I like it.

      "Don't fall or we both go" Derek Hersey

      by ban nock on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:17:01 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  The American people... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      aliasalias

      ...can't get a public option on fucking HEALTH CARE, and you have visions of non-profit oil companies?
      I don't get that high when I dip into the box of genuine Sandoz sugar cubes I still got in my freezer.

      As for "drilling responsibly", that's a cute phrase. Big Oil will drill responsibly like Josef Mengele responsibly performed surgery on little Jewish babies.

      But conversely, maybe this is why Obama expanded the illegal Bush war against the people of Afghanistan.
      Under a Democratic administration at least we can be sure to butcher families RESPONSIBLY.

      Illegal Alien: Term used by the descendents of foreign colonizers to refer to the descendents of indigenous people

      by mojada on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:59:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I said what I'd like to see happen (0+ / 0-)

        unlike a lot of progressives, I don't confuse what I'd like to see happen with what can actually happen.

        Who will force big oil to drill more responsibly- A democratic administration or a republican one? Because drilling is going to happen. The only question is when.  Any solution that ignores that is a solution that's doomed to failure before it begins.

        The rest of your post is specious nonsense not even worthy of this much of a response.

        Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

        by Whimsical on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:58:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  What do these jokers know about (7+ / 0-)

    Environmental policy?

    They don't understand pragmatism, and have never won anything.  They need to fall in line.

    Drill Baby Drill!!!

    Yeah that's the ticket!!!!

    Republicans drove the country into a ditch, and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck. - Jim Cornette

    by justmy2 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:02:29 PM PDT

  •  Naysayers will tell you (8+ / 0-)

    this is just politics. That he's calling their bluff. Or that Obama was pro-drilling before he was elected, so you have no right to complain; in fact, your complaining is really fucking up our unity here after our huge health care victory (that you progressives were against before you supported it!)

    Call it bluffing. Call it politics. I would like it if our environment was not a wager in a poker game or a political football for Obama to run with.

    With Dems ready to take losses in November and Obama far from a sure victory in '12, do we really want to inch our way toward more drilling should Republicans regain power and gasoline is back to $4/gallon? California is safe now, but for how long?

    Wouldn't it be nice to just have some leadership from our president on the environment, climate change, and energy policy instead of triangulating us/playing against us? Wouldn't it be better if Obama to explained to the American people where we need to be, how long it will take to get there, and why we need to start right now?

    "Obamacare is dead with not the slightest prospect of resurrection" - Fred Barnes, 1/20/10

    by just some lurker guy on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:03:32 PM PDT

  •  I wanna revote in the Obama poll (6+ / 0-)

    As a Florida Atlantic coast resident I would like a re-do in the poll on Kos the other day on what kind of job Obama is doing. I've changed my mind.  :(

  •  Of all the stupidest arguments I've heard all day (15+ / 0-)

    the absolute plug dumbest is "It will be decades before we'll be ready to wean off of oil."

    That's exactly the same as a heroine addicts saying, "Maybe tomorrow.  Sunday for sure.  We've got a party Saturday and then I promise."

    Do us all a favor, if that's the best you can do ... just pass gas instead.  It's less offensive.

    Catholic Church: Example of Religion thats TOO BIG TO FAIL

    by Detroit Mark on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:04:21 PM PDT

  •  And yet nobody seems to have any better ideas for (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    how to get an energy package including renewable and limits on carbon emissions through the senate

    This is part of the plan Grahm and Kerry have been touting for months.

    ---
    Toyota: Proof US Union Labor Still Does it Better

    by VelvetElvis on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:06:31 PM PDT

  •  Remember, we've always been at war with (8+ / 0-)

    Oceana. ;)

    My first choice is a strong consumer agency My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.~E. Warren

    by JesseCW on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:10:07 PM PDT

  •  As Rachel is saying right now (12+ / 0-)

    this is completely counterproductive. Why bother agreeing with a Republican idea when it's only going to convince the Rethugs that it's a bad idea? Unbelievable.

    I think, therefore I am not a Republican.

    by Mike Peterson on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:12:19 PM PDT

  •  Northern right whales (10+ / 0-)

    Video.

    Photos. NOAA

    In U.S. waters, right whales were determined as in danger of extinction in all or a significant portion of their range due to commercial over-utilization. As a result, they were listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Conservation Act in June 1970, the precursor to the ESA. The species was subsequently listed as endangered under the ESA in 1973.

    Source ~ NOAA

    "Let reverence for the laws . . . become the political religion of the nation." ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by noweasels on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:15:20 PM PDT

  •  Obama also supports ethanol (0+ / 0-)

    so even though the DOT is making good noises about bikes and walking (the civilized form of transit), I always expected the admin to be pretty conventional with respect to environmental stuff.

    If Healthcare Reform will be so unpopular, why is tangerine man so upset about it passing?

    by theran on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:19:25 PM PDT

  •  Shrewd political calculation, (4+ / 0-)
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    tmo, valadon, Wildthumb, catilinus

    but really disappointing betrayal of campaign positions.  Unfortunately, this is an increasingly common pattern.

    I am still glad that, thanks to our hard work (all 2 million plus of us, including a hell of a lot of ecoprogressives and civil libertarian Democrats and anti-war progressives), Obama beat McPalin.  And, he certainly is not "just like Bush."  But, unless one has some kind of blinders on, it is crystal clear that he is certainly no more liberal/progressive than, say, Bill Clinton.

    •  When is shrewd also anti-science? (9+ / 0-)

      Ocean drilling is dumb. When can we call All politicians on their critical thinking errors? On their tired platitudes? For instance, bridge to the 21st century, or we need a transition to energy independence.

      Elizabeth Warren: My first choice is a strong consumer agency. My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.

      by mrobinson on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:24:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree completely! (4+ / 0-)

        I am incensed by this decision.  I qualify my anger and disappointment as a preemptive disclaimer to the legions of Obama supporters at this site who believe that (a) he can do no wrong and (b) any criticism of the Preznit is treasonous or Teapartying.

        I'm calling Obama and Salazar (who sadly hails from my State) and every Senator who supports this nakedly political but completely wrong critical thinking error.

    •  It's a calculation that can potentially backfire. (4+ / 0-)
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      There is no longer a major party who opposes offshore drilling. If people think drilling will bring gas down from $4, they will go with the party who can do it effectively: Republicans.

      "Obamacare is dead with not the slightest prospect of resurrection" - Fred Barnes, 1/20/10

      by just some lurker guy on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:48:03 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  They can't do it either (1+ / 0-)
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        But they will say they can. Thus this is a way to neutralize it while getting fudding for alternative energy. Again, he isn't doing this for nothing. There will be a comprehensive bill.

        •  A comprehensive bill which will be a neutered (2+ / 0-)
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          compromise, similar to the health insurance reform bill, but on an issue with far greater urgency--and one on which we cannot any longer afford to compromise.  And, in response to the rejoinder that it would be better than nothing, I say no.  The solution begins with aggressive use of EPA's regulatory authority under the Clean Air Act, which will force the issue of alternative energy in a way that neutered and ineffective Congressional legislation never could.  EPA's hand would be forced if legislation failed to pass; ineffective legislation allows Obama/Congress to proclaim "We solved it!," just like they did with health care.

  •  All very true (1+ / 0-)
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    But I still say wait and see what is actually in the final bill. Obvious to me this is necessary to get the other things these groups want. This is how governing works. Give and take. And, again, people haven't been paying attention - he wasn't so firmly against it by the end of the campaign. This is not the sudden conversion people are making out.

  •  ocean drilling not important to cars (5+ / 0-)

    very important to creatures.

    According to the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration, drilling in America’s previously closed ocean areas “would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production…before 2030.” Even then, “because oil prices are determined on the international market …any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.”

    Elizabeth Warren: My first choice is a strong consumer agency. My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.

    by mrobinson on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:21:43 PM PDT

    •  Unfortunately people are stupid (1+ / 0-)
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      High gas prices mean they want their quick fix. We can bitch and moan all we want about educating them but in recent years environmental causes have actually gone backwards in polling. People are only going to accept alternative energy when they see the tangible benefits. If getting them up and running means this sacrifice is necessary then I think we have to do it.

  •  Meh (2+ / 0-)
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    F**k Alaska, the south Atlantic and Gulf states.  They (usually) don't vote for us anyway.  ;)

    Some people say the glass is half empty. Other people say the glass is half full. I say the glass needs some Scotch.

    by PaulDem on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:24:08 PM PDT

  •  Worth it to see heads explode at CNBC and FOX (2+ / 0-)
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    Flipping channels this am as these cable right wingers awaited the President's announcement made it all worthwhile.  Kudlow and the rest were just sputtering trying to fill air time and say something bad about the President while announcing that he was expected to announce huge new areas of exploration.

    I think he and the team are just having fun with the R's at this point and enjoying kicking them when they are down---hope so anyway.

  •  Hey, I can't spin this one. I freaking don't like (2+ / 0-)

    offshore oil drilling and won't do any dancing about it.

    This is purely political, and I await the final bill to really take a look at it. But I'm not tossing out the baby with the bathwater. In the future there may be areas where he can do some good environmental work.

  •  left can blame itself for the compromising (0+ / 0-)

    because it continues to collectively give a free speech free ride to the limbaughs and hannitys , the real power in the GOP, the 1000 radio stations that blast coordinated uncontested repetition all day long.

    that includes one shit load of daily global warming denial and catapulted "climate gate" into the MSM.

    their lies and obstruction can't go anywhere without that giant uncontested soapbox to make it acceptable in the first place, through coordinated uncontested repetition.

    as soon as the left environmental and other progressive groups stat picketing those stations, boycotting the local sponsors, and getting the US universities to end their sports broadcasting on those limbaugh megastations this crap will end.

    US social and political reality is largely determined by 1000 radio stations blasting coordinated UNCONTESTED repetition all day long.

    by certainot on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:27:39 PM PDT

  •  Maddow and Chris Hays did a good (3+ / 0-)
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    coverage of this. And get this: you have to be pretty slick to pull one over on Thom Hartmann, but when even he said Obama is getting ahead of Republicans and leaving them essentially no argument, you might be wondering where all the Progressives went.

    Gone to Democracy blogs everywhere...as Big Tent Dem was quoted in another diary :

    This vapid Broderite Beltway analysis would have once been mocked in the Left blogs. It means precisely nothing, other than the typical Beltway Media "if both sides hate you, I must be dong something right" silliness. Today, it is the height of insight in the Left Democratic blogosphere

    As Hays mentions: this might be good for the President's ratings (to appear so amenable or postpartisan), but it makes for poor legislation (like the health insurance regulation bill he just signed for example).

    Language is wine upon the lips. -Virginia Woolf

    by valadon on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:30:28 PM PDT

  •  State Oil and Gas Regulators Are Spread Too Thin (3+ / 0-)
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    In an attempt to understand exactly why this President has proposed offshore drilling, which could be a nightmare for the pristine beaches (do we have any left)? It occurred to me that surely we have capped oil wells already in place inland. I mean if they must drill, why not go to the existing wells?

    Please do go to the site and read this report. It's quite lengthy w/horrifying photos of various oil spill infractions.

    I truly had no idea there were so many active wells in the country!

    How can we believe the monitoring of off shore wells will be monitored given the pitiful and dangerous conditions already established?!

    What I found was perfectly hideous, as follows:

    This from ProPublica - December 30, 2009
    by Abrahm Lustgarten

    "We are doing what we can do," said Gene Smith, a regulatory compliance manager for West Virginia. "But that still leaves thousands of wells that are not inspected yearly or even every decade."

    Regulators in other states are equally overwhelmed as they try to keep tabs on the nation's nearly one million active oil and gas wells, a number that's likely to climb as the feverish growth in natural gas exploration continues.

    A ProPublica investigation [1] comparing the rapid expansion of drilling in 22 states with staffing levels at the agencies charged with policing the wells found that the nation's capacity to enforce its environmental protections is weakening. The picture strikes at the heart of the industry's long-standing argument that state regulatory agencies will be more effective industry watchdogs than the federal government.

    snip

    While the number of new oil and gas wells being drilled in the 22 states each year has jumped 45 percent since 2004, most of the states have added only a few regulators. Those with the widest gaps are Texas, which is already grappling with the most drilling, and New York, which is expected to soon have the fastest rate of growth.

    snip

    "You just can't do it, physically," said Parrish, who received a $31,000 salary and said he was chronically overworked. "You've got to put out the hottest fires and there was a lot of stuff that slipped through the cracks because no one was looking."

    snip

    Thanks in large part to advances in drilling technology, estimates for the amount of natural gas held underneath parts of the United States have increased by 35 percent since 2007 and are now believed to be plentiful enough to meet the nation's needs for more than 100 years. As a result, drilling is expanding rapidly, including in the Marcellus Shale, the layer of rock that stretches from central New York, underneath West Virginia to Tennessee.

    snip

    In late 2007, a Texas state auditor's report [3] (PDF) examined the Railroad Commission's enforcement record and found that nearly half of the state's wells hadn't been inspected in the five years between 2001 and 2006, when the data was collected. (It also said regulators' routine acceptance of gifts from the companies they police raised questions about their objectivity and conflicts of interest, and the commission imposed a $50 limit on gifts as a result.)

    Search ProPublica's database [1] to find how many gas regulators work in your state.

    "The first step towards madness is to think oneself wise." ~Fernando de Rojas

    by Annalize5 on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:33:10 PM PDT

  •  I have no clue. I would have posted a comment (0+ / 0-)

    when this diary first went up.

    I know what my reaction is. Yet, now, I have more questions than answers.

    My reaction falls short of answering my questions.

    Especially this one: WTF?

    "They pour syrup on shit and tell us it's hotcakes." Meteor Blades

    by JugOPunch on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:33:33 PM PDT

  •  this is sweet (3+ / 0-)
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    willyr, Picot verde, 350 or death

    from Al Gore's blog: http://www.algore.com

    Brazen environmental upstart brings legal muscle, nerve to climate debate
    2010-03-31T09:00-05:00: The Center for Biological Diversity, a tiny activist group with an aggressive attitude, is fast becoming a rising power in environmental policy. Now CBD wants to see just how hard it can push on climate policy. As it does so, it is aggravating fellow green groups, the government and some lawmakers.

    It links to the NYT article

    Instead, CBD relies on a strategy of relentless lawsuits. It is controversial, with critics charging that the tactic clogs up the courts, burdens federal agencies and fails to bring a comprehensive solution. It is also highly successful. The center has won 93 percent of its cases.

    Elizabeth Warren: My first choice is a strong consumer agency. My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.

    by mrobinson on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:36:30 PM PDT

  •  Just when teabaggers started self-destructing (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama rescues them with a with a "drill baby drill" policy, giving undeserved credibility to these morons. Obama is even willing to let Sarah Palin tell him "I told you so" when she's wrong, if it gives him an opportunity to take another shit on progressives.

  •  Al Gore likes this video by Vets (0+ / 0-)

    We could send this to Dear Mr. President.

    OperationFree — March 15, 2010 — Our national security organizations are taking climate change seriously and congress needs to do the same:

    The DOD has put climate change into their quadrennial defense review which was released this week.
    The CIA has created a center on climate change.
    The Marines are committed to reducing their carbon pollution by 30 percent by 2025
    The Navy is committed to reducing their carbon pollution by 50 percent by 2020 of homeland bases.
    The Navy is also going to sail a green battle group in 2020, using alternative fuels.
    The Navy is also testing a F18 that runs on biofuel.
    The Marines have a FOB or forward operating base training facility that is net zero.
    Many bases have implemented smart grid technology and renewable energy sources.
    The Pentagon (building) was weatherized and rehabbed to become LEED certified and their energy bill went down from 2.9 million to 2.2 million a month.

    Elizabeth Warren: My first choice is a strong consumer agency. My second choice is no agency at all and plenty of blood and teeth left on the floor.

    by mrobinson on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:42:22 PM PDT

  •  these people fly in the face of the notion (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    valadon, Picot verde

    expounded here:  

    (Obama) His vision, the tools he uses and his assessment of what progress means are so far ahead, it's almost painful to see how he's trying to pull a country stuck in the 20th century and move it to the 21th.

    Please have these simpletons contact the author of the dKos dissent currently on the rec list.  The author will set these cretins "right".

    That diary has plum soured my mood and I am left wondering how I could be so stupid as to still be living in the 20th century instead of allowing myself to be pulled into the 21th (the twenty first-th, not the 21st) century.  I'm sure these naysayers of brilliant policy will feel similarly once they are made aware of their myopic folly.

    But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have laid my dreams under your feet; tread softly, because you tread on my dreams. -- Yeats

    by Bill O Rights on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:43:40 PM PDT

  •  The REAL cost of the Health Care Bill ... (0+ / 0-)

    I'm in agreement with Michael Kieschnick.

    It doesn't make sense for Obama to do this.  Not now, especially after compromising away any faith his 'base' had left in him after this 'bi-partisan' health care bill finally passed.  It would seem that the compromises made in public were the tip of the iceberg.

    I can't help but notice the coastal areas opened by the new plan are from Delaware to Florida and northern Alaska.  The delegates from New Jersey and Maryland are hoping mad about it, so we'll remove those two.  What's left is Delaware, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and Alaska.

    It would be interesting to look through the vote counts on the first bill through the House, and then this second one and see if/how the votes in these states changed from 'Nays' to 'Yays'.

  •  Any other time this would tick me off bigtime (0+ / 0-)
    but the fact that this is making the Republicans heads explode simply because as The Party of No they have to condemn everything President Obama does no matter what as a SocialistNaziCommunistAntichrist Plot even when it comes to one of their most favorite WetDreams of "Drill Baby Drill" and they know that if they don't condemn this Socialistnazicommunistantichrist Plot then they are in on the "Plot" to make America a Socialistnazicommunistantichritian Nation, in other words the Republicans are "Damned if they do and Damned if they don't".
  •  I guess it was environmentalists' turn. (6+ / 0-)

    I guess it was environmentalists' turn to be thrown under the bus.  Let's see, gays, women/pro-choice voters, labor.  Hell, one of the things I agree with Obama on, not bowing to Israel all the time, has pissed off a lot of Jewish voters.  

    What's even sadder is seeing progressives willingly lay down under the bus to convince themselves of their own "pragmatism."

  •  The poblem with Obama is - if I may say so (1+ / 0-)
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    that

    first
    he thinks his policies are the most intelligent choices and smart under the conditions he has to formulate and implement them and

    second that
    he thinks that the choices he made are the most moral choices he could made in comparison to other altenatives under the conditions he is in.

    But not everyone "feels" the same way.

    I am a simple minded observer and asked myself why Obama's policies made me feel so disappointed. Like many I am quite taken by his pesonality as a human being and by his level of honesty when it comes to other things than the meaning of the consequences of the policies he is working on.

    Is it acceptable to say that he just is from another generation than the generation of the U S civil rights movement and the Vietnam War generation or the generation of Europeans living through the post-WWII war and the cold war and the sixties?

    Is it acceptable to say that most probably his first awareness of him being part of an American experience started as a college student, being black without having parents, who had lived through the experience to be black in the US? He had to "learn" what those experiences might have been. That's different than growing up and experiencing them and might be a reason why he might not have strong guts feelings about what decision to take in complex situations, something that would tell him "out of experience" what would be right.

    He then uses all his intellectual power and capabilities of analysing a problem from all sides and angles like a good lawyer, and the result is that his decisions feel "thoughtful" but "undecided on the moral direction his decisions take the country". Though he knows all the arguments of his critics on his left, takes them into account, explains why he doesn't come to the same conclusion as they do, is humble and patient and all of other good characte stuff, he ends up not convincing his most well-meaning and loyal supporters.  

    Of course I will continue to support him for lack of any other politician out there who could do a better job, but I end up not ageeing with his policies. How sad that is. Americans need more than a good politician in him, they need a courageous and steady moral leader in him as well, and he isn't that to the extent he could be just that as well.  

    I think the best way to help him as a President is to "lovingly" exercise some tough love in form of "down to earth expression of dissenting arguments to his policies, when they don't feel right." He needs that.

    Or may be it's just as tough for him to make the "not so tough" decisions in this political environment? Braving the "extreme voices" on the left and the right as being the real "heroic" choice?

    Anyhow, these are no laughing matters. We need to disagree and dissent, when we think it's right to do so. I don't like his energy policies, don't like his Afghanistan policies, doubt his HIR efficiency and of course there are many things I just don't understand to allow myself a judgement ... I just don't understand ... his decisions are not made out of necessity, they are deliberate ... or not?

    •  It is confusing on a certain level. From reading (0+ / 0-)

      his books and working on his campaign-I had a very different impression than I do now from his actions-as well as from the "explanations" of people who support those actions. Like with any other politician, there were reasons to both trust & distrust him.

      It is a Shakespeare-like tale that weaves back & forth between Hamlet & King Lear.

      Meteor Blades seems to do an outstanding job of community moderation despite the abject failure to be perfect.

      by catilinus on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:35:38 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  meh (0+ / 0-)

    this is like the executive order to say that the federal government won't pay for abortions

    he gives them their 5% success and gets the 95% of what he wants

    fine with me

    We'll be guided not by political ideology but by scientific evidence - President Barack Obama

    by AntonBursch on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:39:01 PM PDT

  •  Shocking (1+ / 0-)
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    What, someone actually thought Big Oil's agenda and the Dem Party need for corporate cash come election time would take a back seat to protecting biodiversity and public opinion?

    Illegal Alien: Term used by the descendents of foreign colonizers to refer to the descendents of indigenous people

    by mojada on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:40:00 PM PDT

  •  True to true Obama... (1+ / 0-)
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    valadon

    No surprise here. Obama is the classic just to the right-of center politician. And we progressives have little choice in our right-wing nation other than to support him. Wow!

    "War is the health of the state." Randolph Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

    by american pastoral on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:47:11 PM PDT

  •  I think it's brilliant (0+ / 0-)

    Notice where he is drilling? Off the coast of all those DRILL BABY DRILL Red States!

    Sure, OK you teabagging rednecks, you wanna drill, here it is, fuck you, right in your motherfucking backyard. In your face, dickheads.  Let's have your coastlines destroyed by oil slicks. You can look out your fucking windows and see oil derricks belching smoke into YOUR sky. And fuck you too.

    Notice where the drilling will NOT be occurring? That's right: California, Oregon, Washington, Massachussets, New York, Connecticut, and Maine. So, us hippies can have our pristine coastlines and no pollution, and the idiot teabaggers can go fuck themselves in their oil-slick  polluted waters.

    Perfect. I love it. Bring it on.

    •  That's retarded (0+ / 0-)

      No. Really.

      Hell, why didn't Obama just break it down by county?

      All the "liberal" counties get no off-shore drilling.

      Orange County, Calif? Drill, baby.

      Or how about by precinct? Or by neighborhood?

      Get a brain cell.

      •  Sorry, (0+ / 0-)

        the County of Orange has already been drilled and doesn't appear to have much worthwhile left to tap.

        Outer continental shelf maybe, but I find it doubtful that would be economically recoverable oil.

        8/29 changed everything Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10

        by wsexson on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 10:57:03 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Really now-- (0+ / 0-)

      Assateague National Seashore Park is in the state of Maryland as well as Virginia. There may be a fence between Maryland and Virginia to keep the pony herd separate but  I don't think the oil slick will know where the line starts and stops. I might add that Assateague is one of the most visited National Parks in the nation.

  •  Um. Does ANYONE REMEBER THE GENERAL ELECTION? (0+ / 0-)

    HE SAID REPEATEDLY DURING THE GENERAL THAT HE WAS OPEN TO THIS as long as it wasn't the ONLY strategy and if it were part of a larger energy strategy.

    THIS IS NOT NEW. HE'S DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO.

    With respect, I really wish some folks here would remember what was said a year ago:

    This is just a FEW examples of him talking about being open to shore drilling as part of a larger energy policy during the general election:

    CNN, August 2008:

    Obama said Friday that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

    http://www.cnn.com/...

    Washington Post, August, 2008:

    Sen. Barack Obama suggested he could accept an expansion of offshore oil drilling today if it is in a broader package of energy measures that would free the logjam on energy bills in Congress.
    "If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage -- I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done."

    Environment.com, 2008:

    Obama opposes more offshore drilling and does not favor ending the federal moratorium that has protected most U.S. waters since the early 1980s, but he has said he would be willing to compromise on that position if offshore drilling were included as part of an overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

    http://environment.about.com/...

    And here's MSNBC's First Read, on the recent announcement, calling back to when he said he'd be open to it in late 2008:

    September 2008:

    Obama Said Part Of America’s Energy Strategy Should Include Increasing Domestic Production.  "That means that we, as one of the biggest consumers of oil -- 25 percent of the world's oil -- have to have an energy strategy not just to deal with Russia, but to deal with many of the rogue states we've talked about, Iran, Venezuela.  And that means, yes, increasing domestic production and off-shore drilling, but we only have 3 percent of the world's oil supplies and we use 25 percent of the world's oil. So we can't simply drill our way out of the problem."  [Transcript, First Presidential Debate, 9/26/08]

    October 2008:

    Obama Said, "I Believe In The Need For Increased Oil Production.  We’re Going To Have To Explore New Ways To Get More Oil, And That Includes Offshore Drilling." "And let's take the example of energy, which we already spoke about. There is going to be the need for each and every one of us to start thinking about how we use energy.  I believe in the need for increased oil production. We're going to have to explore new ways to get more oil, and that includes offshore drilling. It includes telling the oil companies, that currently have 68 million acres that they're not using, that either you use them or you lose them.  We're going to have to develop clean coal technology and safe ways to store nuclear energy.  But each and every one of us can start thinking about how can we save energy in our homes, in our buildings. And one of the things I want to do is make sure that we're providing incentives so that you can buy a fuel efficient car that's made right here in the United States of America, not in Japan or South Korea, making sure that you are able to weatherize your home or make your business more fuel efficient." [Transcript, Second Presidential Debate, 10/7/08]

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/...

    And here's a video of him saying it repeatedly throughout the general election, both campaigning and in the debate:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.

    by dasheight on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:15:12 PM PDT

    •  Since we're quoting Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      wsexson

      From your post:

      "It includes telling the oil companies, that currently have 68 million acres that they're not using, that either you use them or you lose them."

      So how's THAT coming along?

      Just asking.

      •  Considering that they're now going to be used... (0+ / 0-)

        ...it's coming along just as he said it would. You removed the first part of the entire quote:

        I believe in the need for increased oil production. We're going to have to explore new ways to get more oil, and that includes offshore drilling. It includes telling the oil companies, that currently have 68 million acres that they're not using, that either you use them or you lose them.

        May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.

        by dasheight on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 10:43:05 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwjuCj-HXoQ (0+ / 0-)

    It could be the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others.

    by eyewall on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 09:42:42 PM PDT

  •  DC At Rush Hour (0+ / 0-)

    On the way back home from a Protest(mis-management of our Wild Horses) at the Dept of Interior in DC we encountered the rush hour traffic, starting and stopping as usual.  Moving over to the left and the HOV Lane we sailed past all these ONE driver/passenger cars.  It only takes 2 people to qualify for the faster left lane. like   Whatever happened to conservation of our resources?  Looks like the DC bunch needs to start with themselves.
     

  •  Progressive Oil Policy FAIL: (0+ / 0-)

    New mileage rules: Pay more for cars, less at pump

    The new standards, announced Thursday, call for a 35.5 miles-per-gallon average within six years, up nearly 10 mpg from now.

    Where are the self-proclaimed progressives on the biggest change in fuel efficiency in American history?  

    SILENT.

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