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Deep thoughts from Michele Bachmann (LUNATIC-MN):

We’re, we’re, we’re hoping that President Obama’s policies don’t succeed, exactly as you said. And of course, David Axelrod unfortunately seems to be wanting to smear people who disagree with the president. We’ve seen that over and over at Tea Party events, at gatherings where people say, “look, I don’t like this idea of out of control spending and accumulating deficits that our kids have no possibility of paying back.” And to think that those of us, we who disagree with that very ill-thought out idea are being smeared, I think that’s really wrong.

Given that Michele Bachmann has called for an investigation to find out who in Congress is "anti-American," suggested that civil rights-era icon John Lewis (D-GA) is a liar, wondered if the Obama administration would use the census to round people up and put them in internment camps, claimed that swine flu outbreaks only happen under Democratic presidents, and was sure political re-education camps were just around the corner, we can certainly declare that she's an expert on smears.

But that's not the issue here. The issue is, a sitting U.S. Congresswoman is actively rooting for the President to fail because she disagrees with his policies ... his policies on jobs, health care, national defense. She's not looking for areas of agreement or offering ways to improve those policies, she just wants him to fail and damn the consequences to the country.

Sounds anti-American, doesn't it?

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:20 AM PDT.

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  •  If she is a lunatic... (8+ / 0-)

    a back bencher in Congress, why do we continue paying any attention to her...unless Democrats are planning on doing something about it such as making her a poster child and forcing her into bad situations.

    Otherwise, we are creating another media creation.

    Republicans drove the country into a ditch, and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck. - Jim Cornette

    by justmy2 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:22:34 AM PDT

  •  Completely dreadful woman (7+ / 0-)

    ashamed to say she is a woman.

    Wish I could tip and rec ya.

    To paraphrase Warren Ballentine: "We may have come here in separate boats but we're in the same one now"

    by OHknighty on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:23:39 AM PDT

  •  The Major Story of the Past 15 Years (32+ / 0-)

    Is that one of our two major American political parties has divorced itself from facts, science or any interest in legislation and/or real world improvement, and is simply a collection of bat-shit insane theater actors auditioning for the Ayn Rand movie of John Galt heroism playing in their heads.

    But God forbid the major media networks would engage this issue.  It's gotta be left/right for all, and both sides are equal, and both sides are presumed to be intellectually honest.

    What a disgrace our broken media is.

  •  With debt up to our ears... (1+ / 0-)
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    I'd say the country is failing just fine without any help from Rep. Bachmann. Until outrageous spending is addressed, halted and paid for, we're screwed.

    It really doesn't matter which "team" you're on. Everyone will be affected.

    •  what would you suggest gutting? (5+ / 0-)

      However, if the Democrats want to shed the "tax and spend" stigma, they shouldn't have passed Health Care Reform. That thing is filled with new taxes and lavish spending. There are taxes on medical equipment, insurance plans, and increased payroll taxes. There's lots and lots of spending in that thing too. It costs money to set up "exchanges", create new government offices, and pay for all the entitlements that the bill calls for. That sounds a lot like "tax and spend" to me.

      oh nevermind.

      •  I would suggest (0+ / 0-)

        Returning the Federal Government to its constitutionally listed duties.

        These duties do not include:
        health care
        handing out money to people who lost their homes in a natural disaster
        taking care of old people
        preventing people from buying drugs
        giving money to poor people
        handing out money to idiot bankers
        handing out money to foreign governments

        The government sucks at all of these things.

        Examples: FEMA's response to hurricane Katrina. Sean Penn got in there faster than they did, and he just had a rowboat and a cameraman.
        Medicare: Bankrupt, late payments, denied coverage
        Education: Two words: Public Schools
        The War on Drugs-As far as I know, people can still get weed if they want it.
        Johnson's Great Society: Last time I checked, there were still lots and lots of poor people.(I'm one of them.) Most indications are that welfare only makes things worse.
        Social Security is bankrupt. By the time I'm old enough to get some of that cash they've been squirrelling away for me, it won't be there. I'm not expecting to get a dime from that program.
        TARP: Borrowing money from China and giving it to banks who don't know how to manage money well enough to stay in business was probably the dumbest idea since the Meat-Flavored Soft Drink.
        Foreign Aid: We've pour billions into Africa, the Middle East, and lots of other places. But somehow, the recipients of this money can never quite turn the corner into prosperity.

        Doing this many things poorly leaves precious little time and money for the stuff they're supposed to be doing, like guarding the border.

        •  very wrong (0+ / 0-)

          healthcare, education, and taking care of the needy are tenets of western democracies that have grown precisely because they invested in education and healthcare and entitlement programs. societies prosper when they're educated and healthy and when everyone is giving a more or less equal chance. to take all of that back will never, ever happen. your dream is ridiculous, and you'd do well to meet reality. specifically the youth are getting more progressive, not less: and so is the rest of the world. liberal democracies will not dismantle social programs that affect so much of the population. there is no indication welfare "hurts" poor people (money hurts, lol). as for katrina, how ridiculous. i live in area that was struck, btw, and though FEMA was slow to arrive, the food and water and security was invaluable. FEMA should be improved not demolished. you think because programs need improvement in distribution or funding they should be abolished. it's reactionary and silly.

          •  So.... (0+ / 0-)

            Johnson's "Great Society" was supposed to eliminate poverty by redistributing wealth. Did it work?

            The U.S. Department of Education has billions of dollars in its budget. How many kids drop out of public school every year? Where does the U.S. rank against other countries in education?

            What's ridiculous is expecting the government, to take care of everyone. The government produces nothing and can only function by taking resources from working people. If the needy people outnumber the working people, the system is in trouble. Worse, if the number of entitlements outnumber the sources of revenue, the system is in trouble. We're working on four very large, expensive entitlements in the U.S., with no way to pay for them.

            Societies do prosper when the populace is educated and healthy. But what makes you think the government is qualified to provide these things? If it was, shouldn't we be seeing the benefits of it by now?

            The youth aren't getting more progressive, they're getting more dependent. Having a populace that is dependent on the largess of a bankrupt government is a recipe for disaster. What are all these "progressive" kids going to do when the money tree dies?

    •  The spending isn't outrageous (6+ / 0-)

      it's the unwillingness to expect citizens to pay for it that is the outrage.

      Obama inherited an economy that was in a free fall, with failing banks and 700,000 job losses per month.

      Cutting spending wasn't a viable economic option.

      The health care bill is paid for, and doesn't add to the deficit. That is how we should continue to create new legislation.

      There should be a war tax, and there should be higher marginal tax rates on the super-rich, and there should be a huge marginal tax rate on the hedge fund managers that have made billions from the taxpayer rescue of the financial sector.

      The country is not failing. Obama is succeeding.

      If we want to continue to succeed, we can start by unseating Bachmann.

      Go Tarryl!!!!

      Conservatives have a special gift for cloaking self-interest in self-righteousness.

      by Sarge in Seattle on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:44:13 AM PDT

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      •  The Health Care Bill (0+ / 0-)

        Is paid for for 10 years. What about after that? What government program has ever come in at or below projected cost?  

        The elephant in the room is our already bankrupt entitlement programs: Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

        Social Security taxes that were supposed to be in a trust fund have already been spent on other things. The trust fund is empty.

        We need to address this looming problem, as well as the two protracted wars, the war on drugs, and all the other dopey federal money pits that Congress keeps shoveling money into. (Mostly borrowed money, on top of it.)

        I would characterize spending millions of dollars to advertise the census as outrageous. I would characrterize giving billions of dollars to idiot bankers who have already demonstrated their ineptitude at handling money as outrageous.

    •  It's NOT the spending! (2+ / 0-)
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      rockhound, fivefouranonymous

      It's the goddamned tax cuts for the rich that republicans insist on every time they get in a position of power to pass. Deficits (and the national debt) also balloon to gigantic proportions under these fiscally irresponsible clowns. I also blame the corporations that pay little or no tax at all. Corporations benefit enormously from being part of the U.S., but contribute little to nothing to the revenues of the Federal Government in return.

      AG Holder is obstructing justice by actively refusing investigation of war crimes.

      by cybersaur on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:15:24 PM PDT

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      •  Richism (0+ / 0-)

        The faceless evil of "The Rich" have always been an easy target for people looking for someone to blame for government mismanagement.

        The question I have is, why should one person have to pay a greater portion of their income than I have to? According to Jefferson "All Men are created equal." By that standard, shouldn't we all pay the same portion of our income as taxes? What makes one person more taxable than another? If you apply the "Rich Tax" logic to everyone, then should fat people pay a fat tax? They have more weight. They take up more volume, they use more resources. They use up more health care dollars.

        Yes, that is a ridiculous notion. But subjecting people to different tax rates punishes those who save, invest wisely, and work hard, while rewarding others for doing nothing.  

        I don't think fiscally irresponsible clowns are limited to either party. With the debt our country has, I think it took a lot of teamwork between the R clowns and the D clowns to make it happen. Congress is like one of those little circus cars that opens up and fifty guys get out, and none of them know anything about managing the nation's finances. They just run around the tent tossing buckets of confetti at the spectators. Then the ringmaster (the media?) tries to distract everyone from what the clowns are doing by directing our attention at either the Strong Man (the military) or the Side Show Freaks (celebrities).

  •  She is a National Embarrassment. (8+ / 0-)

    Man, I wish she'd get her a$$ handed to her in November!

    "It is April Fool's Day all the time at FAUX News." Richard Wolffe

    by CityLightsLover on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:24:38 AM PDT

    •  If you think she is a national embarrassment (2+ / 0-)
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      Clarknt67, CityLightsLover

      Try explaining her to others like those of us in MN keep having to do.  PLEASE pull this out Terryl!  Even those of us in MN-3 are donating to you!

      Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

      by orreljw on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:02:25 PM PDT

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    •  Is this typical? (0+ / 0-)

      We’ve seen that over and over at Tea Party events, at gatherings where people say, “look, I don’t like this idea of out of control spending and accumulating deficits that our kids have no possibility of paying back.”

      I finally got fed up enough with this continued conservative deficit hypocrisy to  look up her website to send a message saying, in effect, "Where was your outrage and concern on this issue for the six years that Republicans were in sole control of the Presidency and Congress and were exploding the deficit and progressives were saying the exact same thing about burdening our children?  Where was your outrage and concern when Cheney said, only six years ago, that deficits don't matter?"

      But ... I ran into a snag.  Her website requires you to enter your zip code, and if it doesn't correspond to her district, you can't leave a comment.

      What I wonder is:  How typical is this?  I've written to a number of others in Congress and in my experience many say they cannot respond to non-constituents, but their sites still at least accept messages from them.  I've never before run across a site that out-and-out doesn't accept non-constituent messages.

      It just strikes me as greater hypocrisy.  Her decisions and actions impact the lives of non-constituents;  she aspires to be a national player with all her media appearances and comments on national issues ... yet she doesn't even pretend to care about what people out of her district think.

  •  Can she be removed and institutionalized? (4+ / 0-)

    She's obviously delusional and a danger to most of her constituents.

    "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success." -7.75/-6.05

    by QuestionAuthority on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:25:24 AM PDT

  •  Why must you smear lunatics like this, Barb? (5+ / 0-)


  •  Deficits? Oh my God... (14+ / 0-)

    So where were Bachman and her ilk decrying overspending and deficit increases and worrying about our children's future when Bush was President?

    Their willful ignorance is what irks me the most.  Can they really believe what they're saying is true?  Or are they just seizing on anything they can to demonize Obama?

    And how can all the wingnut teabaggers who listen to her not know how everything started under the reckless disregard of Bush/Cheney?

    It's like they are recoiling into the crazy.

  •  Thats why we voted for George Bush! (5+ / 0-)

    look, I don’t like this idea of out of control spending and accumulating deficits that our kids have no possibility of paying back.

    George "two wars" Bush was a paragon of fiscal responsibility.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:26:59 AM PDT

  •  What does one expect from this wench? (9+ / 0-)


    "You can't put a civil rights issue on the ballot and let the people decide. .... . If you left it up to the people, we'd have slavery......" ~ Jesse Ventura

    by rontun on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:27:05 AM PDT

  •  shouldn't (3+ / 0-)

    bachmann follow palin to the corporate teat and leave office? government is just too big with that seat full. perhaps redistricting will help make government more efficient.

  •  Anti-American, maybe (10+ / 0-)

    Seditious, possibly. Anti-democratic, divisive, self-destructive, definitely.

    The Catch-22 in all this is that those working for the failure of this administration are working against the success of their own country. It's a position that cannot be sustained without bringing themselves down along with the rest of us. Hopefully, in the end, that will be enough to derail the cuckoo train.

    An inclusive perspective for a changing world: Spiritual Persistence

    by sunflight on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:27:47 AM PDT

  •  come on Minnesota (6+ / 0-)

    come on! come oooooonnn....

    surely y'all can give this delusional clown the boot? have some self-respect!

  •  She is basically saying, "I want the firemen to (9+ / 0-)

    fail in trying to stop our house burning down." I don't think people realize this. Obama isn't running a competing business, he (and the Dems) are running our country.

  •  Pathetic cry for attention (3+ / 0-)

    She's an embarrassment to the people of her Congressional district and to the state of Minnesota. It's up to them to do something about her, like send her packing into the "private sector" where she can lobby for makers of styrofoam products and/or serve as a news reader on Fox, the only two jobs for which she is qualified.

  •  Anyone check her septum or liver lately? (0+ / 0-)

    What's she drinking/smoking/taking? I find it hard to believe that she can be that batshite on her own.

    "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success." -7.75/-6.05

    by QuestionAuthority on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:30:17 AM PDT

  •  Bachmann is the proof (7+ / 0-)

    there actually aren't any political internment camps.  Because if there were, she'd be in one.  If she's safe, any wingnut is safe.

    If I wanted to shut up, do what I'm told, and like it, I'd be a Republican!

    by MadLibrarian on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:30:35 AM PDT

    •  As long as we are being accused anyway, (1+ / 0-)
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      Let's open one up just for Bachmann Palin Overdrive.  MN Gov. (King) Flaw-plenty wants to put more money into prisons anyway.  This could be his justification.  Then we can throw him there too.

      Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

      by orreljw on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:09:33 PM PDT

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  •  What does fail even mean? (4+ / 0-)

    I certainly wanted Bush to fail in the sense of lose popularity and ability to execute his agenda, because I thought (and still do) that his policies were very bad. And I'm not ashamed of that.

    I'm not exactly sure what the difference is here. Maybe it's the wanting the policies to fail.

    I didn't want the Iraq war to 'fail', but it seemed near impossible to me that the war as planned could ever amount to anything remotely worthy of the name success.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:30:47 AM PDT

    •  There isn't much of a difference (2+ / 0-)
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      MadLibrarian, Demi Moaned

      between what you wanted and what they want. The difference is that you don't go around telling people what a heroic patriot you are, and that anyone who opposes the Democrats is a terrorist.

      TEABAGGER=Totally Enraged About Blacks And Gays Getting Equal Rights.

      by Mike Peterson on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:35:51 AM PDT

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    •  The difference is (3+ / 0-)
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      semiot, MadLibrarian, Mike Peterson

      that President Obama is not even close to Bush when discussing the benevolence of the policies from those two respective administrations.  An imploded economy and fabricated war are worthy of condemnation.  Attempts to get us started on all Americans accessing healthcare, whether one disagrees with the methods or not, is simply unworthy of condemnation, and the GOP leadership knows it and some have even admitted as much.

      No equivalence between the parties.' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

      by GN1927 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:37:47 AM PDT

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      •  It sounds like your'e saying the difference is (0+ / 0-)

        ... we're good guys and they're bad guys.

        And while I'm sure that some of the GOP leadership can't believe all the stuff they say, still I think most of the rank and file are sincere, i.e., they believe they're good guys, that the fabricated war was a desirable end in itself that excused whatever means were taken to achieve it, et al.

        "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

        by Demi Moaned on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:50:34 AM PDT

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        •  Except that there is a demonstrable, objective (1+ / 0-)
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          Demi Moaned

          and discernable difference between the parties with regards to both the means and ends sought.  I don't have issues with the Bush administration or GOP obstructionists for shits and giggles.  I have issues because both the means and ends of what they're seeking are demonstrably bad for this country.  As someone noted above, the major story here is that one of the two political parties openly operates on a fact-free, reality-dismissive basis.  It does zero good to promote a false equivalence which isn't grounded in the reality of the modern GOP.

' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

          by GN1927 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:59:41 AM PDT

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          •  No doubt there is (1+ / 0-)
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            And you do a very good job of articulating it. In fact the 'fact-free, reality-dismissive' tactics are one of my major grievances with our modern political culture-- not the fact that they indulge in them (though that's disgraceful, I think), but that they are given a free ride by our ostensibly independent mass media.

            I'm just questioning how much one of them saying they want the President to fail is evidence of the difference.

            "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

            by Demi Moaned on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:24:51 PM PDT

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  •  Speaks ill... (7+ / 0-)
    ..of the United States of America that the USA actually votes hateful trash like Michelle Bachmann into high office.

    I've read all the excuses & reasons for her winning her district,  but it really does undermine the legitimacy of America when these scattered-brained loons like Bachmann are taken seriously enough to actually receive votes in an American election.

    Of course, this also applies to 90% of all Republicans being able to win elections in the United States.  But Bachmann is a special case, because it's doesn't take a psychiatric expert to realize the woman is mentally unstable.

    Hey Haley Barbour: Foghorn Leghorn called. He wants his caricature copyright back.

    by wyvern on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:31:33 AM PDT

    •  It's a representative democracy, right? (2+ / 0-)
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      semiot, chin075

      Not everyone understands the issues or has their head screwed on right. There's a lot of fear around, and the ongoing myth of scarcity.
      It seems kind of funny that we can't afford to level our economic playing field a little bit or get everyone in to see a doctor when they need it, but we always seem to be able to afford bombs to blow up anyone who disagrees with us.

      "The kid in the combat gear is dead because the men in the suits failed."-me

      by porchdog1961 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:44:43 AM PDT

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      •  Carswell Effect ? (1+ / 0-)
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        Roman Hruska of Nebraska cited in the Congressional Record: "...even the mediocre are "entitled to a little representation."

        This applies, though "mediocre" robustly overstates Bachmann's resume.

        I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

        by AllanTBG on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:02:01 PM PDT

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      •  That speaks about our collective priorities (0+ / 0-)

        As a species and a planet.

        Millions in ratings for American Idol? Check.
        Medicines and food for needy children in Africa? SoL.

        Plenty of on-air time for the craziest b.s. political talk? Check.
        Time to debunk the myths and offer some real, constructive information? Why, that's BORING and won't generate ratings.

        This planet is in sorry shape because humanity has never pulled its collective head out of its rear since the beginning of recorded history. This is a shared responsibility that belongs to ALL, not just the "sane" and the "good". We still can do it, but we're faltering as always.

        The truth is, we love holding onto our dramas, our petty grievances, our myopic concerns and our limited perspectives. We don't WANT to give them up. The day we all decide that we do, war and poverty and crime will virtually vanish. The fact that most of us have been brainwashed to believe that these are normal parts of the human experienece allows us all to justify sustaining the status quo while (seemingly) absolving all individuals of responsibility for the whole.

    •  I blame religion (1+ / 0-)
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      Bachmann's district of full of fundie nutters. The more deeply one attaches oneself to the belief in the invisible sky fairy, the more tenuous one's grasp on reality. Our country is full of true believers who lack very basic critical thinking skills and choose to receive most of their information from equally delusional religious misinformation outfits (see WorldNutDaily). It's a pattern that feeds on itself to the detriment of our country.
      The solution to this problem is education, but we are now in the midst of education funding being gutted across the nation. An ominous sign of the ignorant masses that will soon also be joining the ranks of the voting public.

      AG Holder is obstructing justice by actively refusing investigation of war crimes.

      by cybersaur on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:06:06 PM PDT

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  •  Not just Bachmann, most (all?) Republicans (4+ / 0-)

    This is a paradox, they believe in a strong US and POTUS, yet they are staking their success as a party in marginalizing and even destroying a Democratic Presidency. This is the second time in recent history that they have done this. This seems like it's borderline treason. Are they hoping for a major terrorist attack on the US after they have a destroyed the Presidency? I suspect that for many of them this is true. What does that say about their patriotism?

  •  I will do everything in my power... (5+ / 0-)

    to see that lunatic not win reelection.

    "I won't give them hell, I'll give them the truth, which will seem like hell." -President Obama

    by BarackStarObama on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:34:10 AM PDT

  •  Again, the difference between Liberals and these (4+ / 0-)

    loons is that while we disagreed with Bush we hoped that he would be successful in what he wanted to do because his policy success would be the country's  success, his failure would be the country's failure.

    We disagreed with his policies but we are smart enough to know what it  meant if his policies were to fail.

    If you are rooting for Obama's failure as president and for his policies to fail you are by extension ROOTING FOR AMERICA TO FAIL

    And because it needs to be said: there is a vast difference in believing the policies will fail and rooting for them to fail.

    As heard on the Stephanie Miller Show - yeah that singer is me

    by Clytemnestra on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:36:15 AM PDT

    •  additionally she illustrates why Democrats can wo (3+ / 0-)
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      semiot, rockhound, tardis10

      work with Republicans
      but Republicans cannot work with Democrats

      We understand the price of the presidents failure, they just see politics

      around 7:19

      "It was far easier for you as civilized men to behave like barbarians than it was for them as barbarians to behave like civilized men."

        - Spock, explaining to Kirk how the mirror versions were so quickly spotted

      As heard on the Stephanie Miller Show - yeah that singer is me

      by Clytemnestra on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:46:00 AM PDT

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  •  I hope she loses in a landslide. (3+ / 0-)
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    MadLibrarian, rockhound, ardyess

    There's no reason anyone should vote for this lunatic.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:37:32 AM PDT

    •  Guess Again (1+ / 0-)
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      She's in a weird rural district, and maybe they like her, or the theater, or maybe they're collectively bastshit, but she'll also have a lot of corporate money behind her to attack ad Clark with, it will get ugly, quick. Clark better have a thick skin, and a sense of humor, in fact her ads, SHOULD be mostly humorous, because Bachman is a joke.

      "God is an iron" -Spider Robinson

      by oldcrow on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:52:40 AM PDT

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      •  i'm in her district (0+ / 0-)

        to my dismay.  I'm in the city of Blaine, which isn't exactly a "weird rural district".  Other than that, I fully agree with your comment.

        Grandma's not shovel ready. (Stolen from Maddow show)

        by MNGrandma on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:30:18 PM PDT

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        •  Why do people vote for her? (1+ / 0-)
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          I really want to know.

          •  I really don't know (0+ / 0-)

            but I suspect my very conservative, fundamentalist sisters would if they lived in this district.  My conservative brother, on the other hand, would find her absurd.  He is far more politically astute, and I think he voted for Obama.  I don't talk politics with my neighbors. It largely depends on whether you really pay attention to politics, or look for the "right morals".  

            Grandma's not shovel ready. (Stolen from Maddow show)

            by MNGrandma on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 06:51:23 PM PDT

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        •  My Apolgies (1+ / 0-)
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          to the city of Blaine, so the whole district is not EE-I EE-I, OMG, after all. So you down there have no excuses, vote her out!

          "God is an iron" -Spider Robinson

          by oldcrow on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:53:03 PM PDT

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          •  I only have one vote (0+ / 0-)

            and I can't even convince my husband.  On the other hand, I have 2 of my three kids voting my way.  No apology needed - even Blaine is not that far away from rural.  By the way, love Spider Robinson.

            Grandma's not shovel ready. (Stolen from Maddow show)

            by MNGrandma on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 06:57:43 PM PDT

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    •  she has the "focus on inanity" $ (1+ / 0-)
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      According to news, evangelical conservative leader James Dobson put the resources of his organization behind her 2006 campaign. Dobson's Focus on the Family planned to distribute 250,000 voter guides in Minnesota churches to reach social conservatives, according to Tom Prichard, president of the Minnesota Family Council, a local affiliate of Dobson's group.

      •  Religion is hurting our country (0+ / 0-)

        And is responsible for a great deal of the problems in the world.
        Muslim terrorists, Christian militias, The Holy Catholic Child Rapists, Religion taught as science in schools, historical revisionism, Israeli occupation, C Street...

        AG Holder is obstructing justice by actively refusing investigation of war crimes.

        by cybersaur on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:31:37 PM PDT

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  •  The fucking goat-eyed shithead (3+ / 0-)
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    also claimed that the census was unconstitutional.

    Even though it's right there in the constitution.

    •  She quickly changed that tune (0+ / 0-)

      when she found out that MN most likely WILL lose a congressional seat anyway and it most likely will be hers.  Now she is saying to fill it out, but do not answer specific questions.  Terryl?  We're waiting.  GET OUT THERE!

      Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

      by orreljw on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:16:10 PM PDT

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      •  Minnesota (0+ / 0-)

        Actually, Bachmann's lies about the Census may save Minnesota from losing a seat. I had heard that Minnesota was leaning toward losing a seat, but it was close. Minnesota has one of the highest rates of census response in the country (even peopkle in her district are filling it out). Even a very slight under reporting by conservatives in other states could lead to Minnesota not losing a seat.

        The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

        by A Citizen on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:21:34 PM PDT

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        •  On one hand (0+ / 0-)

          I hope we do hold onto all 8 of our seats, but on the other, there are many of us in MN who would not mind losing this seat and gerrymandering another repub out of our blue state.  All I know is for me, my civic duty won out and I did indeed fill out my census, though after a long internal debate over whether to do so or not.  I really want this idiot to quit trying to speak for my state.

          Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

          by orreljw on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 10:28:21 AM PDT

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  •  Tea Partiers call for Civil War in 2012 (1+ / 0-)
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    Note the sign:

    "Civil War in 2012? You Betcha!"

  •  Question (2+ / 0-)
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    Mike Peterson, MNGrandma

    For someone who lives in Bachmann's district:

    Other than run her mouth, has she done anything that has tangible benefit for her district in the past several years?

  •  Anywhere else but MN06, she is THE failure. (1+ / 0-)
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    A Citizen

    By the way, who lives in MN06? Must all be Rose Nylan's from St-Olaf Minn.

    •  There are a lot of Saint towns there (3+ / 0-)
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      rockhound, kfred, MNGrandma

      I live in Minneapolis (MN-5). I sometimes get jealous mecause my precinct is only 85% Democatic, while neighboring precincts are 90%. MN-6 is a wierd gerrymandered exoburban district. It reminds me of a claw grasping the Twin Cities, as the district wraps around the western, northern and eastern exoburbs and then shoots up to the NW to Saint Cloud.

      And there are a lot of towns that begin with Saint there, I once drove side roads through there because traffic was so bad, and every other little town seemed like it started with Saint.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:02:30 PM PDT

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    •  No way Rose Nyland nor Betty White (0+ / 0-)

      would support this dipshit!

      I would know, that character was based on a compilation of MY family members.  Crazy, but very left winged.  jk

      Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

      by orreljw on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:19:07 PM PDT

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  •  can't stand that woman (1+ / 0-)
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    Mike Peterson
  •  We are starting the find out who the real (1+ / 0-)
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    Mike Peterson

    traitors to our country are.

    If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

    by MikePhoenix on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:45:48 AM PDT

  •  Bachmann IS a smear... (2+ / 0-)
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    ... on the underpants of democracy.

    She doesn't alarm me so much as the fact that there are Republicans in this country who aren't embarrassed by her.  That is freakin' amazing.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:46:03 AM PDT

  •  She (0+ / 0-)

    must go...I wish I were in Minnesota to not vote for her.

  •  You Forgot (0+ / 0-)

    Being one of the many 'rubber stampers' as to the cheney and his puppet regime, on Everything They Wanted and praising them all along the way as well!!

    "What is the difference between an al Qaida terrorist and a misguided American terrorist?" "The planes they fly!"

    by jimstaro on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:49:08 AM PDT

  •  TREASON (0+ / 0-)

    Has it occurred to anybody that if we really are "at war" they way these very people keep insisting that Obama say we are, that they would all be guilty of treason, by virtue of publicly wishing our chief executive would fail at his job?  Our "enemies" must be getting a fine lot of "aid and comfort" from hearing that.

  •  "rooting for the President to fail" (0+ / 0-)


    I seem to recall that during the Bush administration (dictatorship?) we were all rooting, hoping, praying for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, and their policies, to fail.

    How is Bachmann's wish different, other than content?
    Yes, yes, I agree that Bush was EVIL and Obama is at least a Centrist, and Bachmann is certainly an idiot.  It's just that I think we should be looking for mud that will stick when we throw it, and I don't think this will.

    Productive mud, that's what we need in a mud fight.

    •  Examples of Productive Mud... (0+ / 0-)

      might include:

      Bachmann wants to investigate Congress for being un-American.  In the midst of the economic and environmental crises we face, why is she wasting time?

      Given Bachmann attacked John Lewis, why not target some ads against her in the Minnesota black and progressive communities?  (May be redundant.  But again, why is she wasting time on this?)

      So many Bachmann quotes are so dingbat, that she should be an easy target for defeat in November.

    •  I didn't want Bush to fail. (2+ / 0-)
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      rockhound, MNGrandma

      Bush was pursuing policies that were doomed to fail. Big difference.

      If someone is trying to climb down a wall using a string of yarn instead of rope, they are going to fail. Just because I warn them that they are going to fail doesn't mean that I want them to fail.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:08:37 PM PDT

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    •  A better example. (1+ / 0-)
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      If I am stuck in a car with a speeding drunk driver, I sure don't want that driver to fail in getting to the destination safely, because if he fails, I'll pay the price for it. I just want to stay alive until I can get out of the car. I know in this situation, there is a grave danger that the driver will fail, and that was the situation we had with Bush. It wasn't that we wanted him to fail.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:16:34 PM PDT

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      •  I see the logic of what you're saying. (0+ / 0-)

        But I disagree with you, because I think Bachmann and her allies view Obama with a similar sense of panic that this driver is out of control.  

        They start from different assumptions about the nature of the country.  While I disagree with them vehemently, they have a right to their philosophy and some degree of duty to act from them.  

        My point in the two posts is that this is not the mud to throw at them, because doing so makes us look to some voters like we're trying to shut them up.  That plays directly into their "We're victims" role, gives them more to whine about believably (to some), and it invites them to accuse us of having wanted Bush to fail.  (Between you, me, and 200,000 other Kossacks and lurkers, I did want Bush to fail, because I did not assume he and his cohort were incompetent.  Far from it.  But that's a whole 'nother discussion except as it feeds into my point:  we don't want to pick that fight with them.)

  •  Bachmann IS Ant-American She is part of the give (1+ / 0-)
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    it all to me or I'll destroy it crowd.

    Bachmann doesn't want to take the ball and go home, she wants to deflate the ball and destroy the playing field.

    Can't we all get along? - R. King.

    by mungley on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:53:34 AM PDT

  •  Anti America? (0+ / 0-)

    Like it's still 2002 when the GOP owned America.
    She's anti America.
    The Democrats OWN AMERICA today, as they were democratically elected to.


    Crazy to hear how "Obama hates America" Hello, he IS America.

  •  not a "smear" to call a hypocrite a hypocrite (1+ / 0-)
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    MB was totally fine with the Bush budgets

  •  Can we investigate Michelle Bachmann (1+ / 0-)
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    and determine whether or not she's anti-American?

    Well, that was the fastest investigation since the "Is Dan Quayle smart?" inquest.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 11:55:51 AM PDT

  •  Not just her. Every GOP Rep. (0+ / 0-)

    is banking on administration failure.

  •  Whaaa...? (1+ / 0-)
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    “look, I don’t like this idea of out of control spending and accumulating deficits that our kids have no possibility of paying back.”

    Unless of course, it was Bush doing the out of control spending. Why doesn't anyone call these people out on their "spending" BS argument?

    That's not what I said... I said something that means the exact same thing. -7.62 -4.21

    by GBC on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:05:48 PM PDT

  •  Interesting that Bachmann... (0+ / 0-)

    can only endlessly complain about how wrong this administration is, and yet not offer any solutions at ALL.

  •  At the height of republican power... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...we never WANTED the republican policies to fail.  We knew they would fail because we knew how the world worked, but there was always that underlying current in the back of our minds that didn't WANT the economy to tank and didn't WANT the Iraq war to be an abject disaster.

    There was a part of us that wanted to be wrong because the stakes were so high and the cost of failure was so high for everyone.

    And the right doesn't give a shit about any of that.  Fuck everyone if it means being right.


  •  My first thought (0+ / 0-)

    (after ARRGH!) Where is the Democratic/Obama Administration response? I realize that no Democrat participated in this Bachmann radio interview, but the "out of control spending" meme is being widely circulated and it will likely be used with every piece of proposed Democratic legislation. Did someone immediately go on national T.V. and say "The Bush deficit was X dollars and Bachmann said nothing." We should hear this response at least as often as we are hearing the socialist-big spender-deficit creator-garbage.  

    •  Obama (0+ / 0-)

      should NEVER address her very existence.  It would only empower her more.

      Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

      by orreljw on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:25:15 PM PDT

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      •  I couldn't disagree more (0+ / 0-)

        Put "big-spending liberal" in a 2010  election commercial in a swing state, play it often, and the clueless voters will eat it up.

        •  I understand your veiw (0+ / 0-)

          and I agree that these accusations need to be addressed especially in the upcoming campaigns, but Bachman and Palin in particular should not be addressed by President Obama.  He is so far above their insanity he would only look weak and they stronger if he were to specifically even speak their names.  There are many others in the house and senate who could fight this battle for us.  And never forget the power that we have ourselves to communicate and educate the horrific agenda these two idiots are promoting.

          Give a man fire, and he will be warm for the night; Set him on fire, and he will be warm for life. - Anonymous Brittish Blogger

          by orreljw on Thu Apr 15, 2010 at 10:23:48 AM PDT

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  •  does Bachman have a credible (0+ / 0-)
    democratic challenger? I am so sick of her.  
  •  Monkey see - monkey do... (0+ / 0-)

    NO ONE will miss her when she's gone...not even her family...

  •  Bachmann needs a lobotomy. (0+ / 0-)

    Shes been in the deep end now for years. getting worse.

  •  Rush Limbaugh Has Been Screaming His Hope for (0+ / 0-)

    Misery for Millions of Americans since Obama got elected in November 2008.  

    Many dittoheaded right-wing Ku Klux Kristian and American Taliban Republicans agree with Limbaugh.

  •  Deficits (0+ / 0-)

    Can't say I recall hearing her object to the Bush era deficits. Or the Regan era deficits.

    But she probably had an issue with the FDR era deficits. Despite that whole depression/war thing.

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