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You know, for all the talk about how crazy the Teabaggers are, there are areas where progressives and Teabaggers SHOULD be able to agree on if we take the platforms of both groups seriously.  

And this mess in Arizona is one of them.  I mean for Christ's sake, if you are paranoid about an unarmed, harmless census worker knocking on your door then this should make your blood boil right? I mean it's pretty clear that being stopped and asked for papers by armed police is a far greater government intrusion into your life than having a census worker knock on your door.  

It's becoming perfectly clear to me that the Tea Party movement is anything but a movement built around the ideology of limited government.  If that were true, they would be up in arms about this new situation in Arizona.  If that were true they'd be joining progressives hand in hand in a call to limit discretionary defense spending.

No the Tea Party Movement isn't about limited government.  It's about the inability to cope with the present.  And it's not just about having a black president, though that's certainly part of it.  It's much broader than that in my opinion.  It's about the inability to cope with the information age, the inability to cope with what women in the workforce has done to the familiar gender roles, inability to cope with the fact that as every second goes by America gets less white--and perhaps most importantly, the inability to cope with the fact that the zeitgest has passed them by on all of these things.

The Tea Party movement and the conservative echo chamber that "informs" the movement speaks directly to this inability to cope.  It simplifies the vast amounts of information available in the information age into a simplified good vs. evil story where liberals and their allies are the villains.  It attacks all of the progress that minorities and women have made, not by arguing that minorities and women don't deserve progress, but instead by attacking the government programs behind the progress. And because the Tea Partiers aren't taking the matter head on, but rather concealing their anti-progress agenda under the guise of popular buzz words like "limited government" that have long resonated with many independents, they have gained societal acceptance on unprecedented levels since the zeitgeist decided the civil rights movement on the side of progress.  Which helps them cope.

Originally posted to tiimbitz4786 on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 09:37 AM PDT.

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    •  ah , but (6+ / 0-)

      That law doesn't threaten tea-party members.
      It only affects people who look Hispanic.

      Corporations are people; money is speech.
      1984 - George Orwell

      by Frank Palmer on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 09:42:10 AM PDT

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    •  Of course it is, just ask them about gay (6+ / 0-)

      marriage!  Oh abortion, or a heck of a lot of stuff.  They want limited government over older white men only.  All "others" need to be policed and watched, for their own good of course, and to make the baby Jesus happy.

      GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

      by Shhs on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 09:57:19 AM PDT

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      •  I say old white men, and obviously though (3+ / 0-)
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        there are many women who want limited government for old white men as well.  Go figure.

        GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

        by Shhs on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 09:58:13 AM PDT

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        •  Mainly (0+ / 0-)

          Women who depend on older white men to take care of them (and tell them how to think).

          "I'll tell you, if there's anything worse than dealing with a staunch woman. S.T.A.U.N.C.H. There's nothing worse, I'm telling 'ya!". Little Edie

          by vintage dem on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:33:37 AM PDT

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          •  Na that's a cop out. (1+ / 0-)
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            Women (or any oppressed group) can become the oppressors, I mean just look at American history.  I think the woman who are oppressors, have outside influences working on them idea, really sets back feminism, and the anti racism cause.  People have agency. let us never forget that.  I think of my mother in-law where her husband is 1000 time more progressive than she, of that lady who called 3 year old me the N-word at Chucky Cheeses, or the cheerleaders who set my sisters locker on fire.

            GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

            by Shhs on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:45:58 AM PDT

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            •  Good Point (0+ / 0-)

              But the ones I've seen on video at the rallies don't seem so "enlightened", as it were. Mainly regurgitating the talking points set forth by the 90% white male cast of Fox. Which doesn't explain Victoria Jackson.

              "I'll tell you, if there's anything worse than dealing with a staunch woman. S.T.A.U.N.C.H. There's nothing worse, I'm telling 'ya!". Little Edie

              by vintage dem on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 06:00:48 PM PDT

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    •  timb "Limited Government" (0+ / 0-)

      That term, as defined by the Tea Party and libertarians, is directed specifically to the federal government and its very limited duties as defined in the Constitution. Regarding state and local governments, I think there is a broad range of views among the Tea Party activists so they all would not, on principle, be opposed the new Arizona legislation.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:05:02 AM PDT

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      •  i undestand that (2+ / 0-)
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        and I understand how they will rationalize it as such...

        but then explain schiavo---explain why they don't care about discretionary millitary spending...why didn't they care about the NSA---why didn't they care about Bush's drug raids

        •  Exactly, how many of these baggers are fighting (1+ / 0-)
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          for the states right to legalize marijuana?

          GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

          by Shhs on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:16:02 AM PDT

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          •  Shhs - maybe more than you think (0+ / 0-)

            I have no first hand knowledge of the Tea Party participants. However, the libertarians were among the first to propose de-criminalizing all drugs and are strong advocates for the right to legalize marijuana. Even that old conservative war horse George Schultz agrees. Libertarians argue, and I agree, that the war on drugs is a big waste of money. If adults want to use marijuana, as well as dangerous drugs, they should be free to make those decisions and deal with the outcomes.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:54:02 AM PDT

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      •  Yes and often it seems they are okay w/the state (2+ / 0-)
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        being the tyrant over the individual, look at where the "states rights" arguments usually come from (location) and what they are usually in regards to (subject matter).

        I'm sorry, I don't want the state to have the right to be a tyrant over me, if that means less "limited government" by the federal government, I'm all for it.  When states forget what equal protection under the law means, then someone needs to step in.  We need to re-think our Union, the Constitution is a living document.

        GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

        by Shhs on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 11:15:19 AM PDT

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  •  Silly (11+ / 0-)

    Limited government means that government only does what conservatives think it should do ( see Terry Shiavo) and not what liberals think it should do (se everything proposed this year by democrats).

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by atlliberal on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 09:41:23 AM PDT

  •  it's really come down to (1+ / 0-)
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    a battle between progressive & regressives(teabaggers).

    i don't even bother calling them "conservatives" anymore because regressives describes them to a tee.

  •  baggers: reality-challenged (2+ / 0-)
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    Rob Portman (R-OH) is Dick Cheney's BFF.

    by A Runner on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 09:51:51 AM PDT

  •  they are a bunch of bigots. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  I have a stupid question (6+ / 0-)

    How many people actually carry around "proof of citizenship papers" or is that white AZ republicans just automatically assume that they never will get stopped because their proof of citizenship is the color of their skin.

    "Proof of citizenship" - what does that mean. Is everyone in AZ now planning on walking around with their birth certificate.

    I don't see how this bill makes any logical sense.

    •  yes---the color of their skin is white ppl's (4+ / 0-)
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      proof of citizenship...

      practically speaking though it will never get this far as the law would be struck down for a variety of reasons if enacted...

    •  I guess I won't visit Arizona (4+ / 0-)
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      I live in WA, my parents winter in AZ, but I guess I won't visit anymore. A WA drivers license is NOT proof of legal residency. I could be locked up over a mistake on their part while I try to obtain a certified copy of my CA birth certificate.

      Capital is only the fruit of labor, [...] Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
      President Lincoln, December 3, 1861

      by notrouble on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:22:46 AM PDT

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    •  There's your problem, HOF: "logical sense." (2+ / 0-)
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      These goons never use logic, only hatred - which is going to create a huge economic and social backlash (remember our MLK fiasco?). I've lived here most of my life and have never walked around with "papers," but then I'm Anglo. I'm gonna make a T-shirt:

      I'll give you my papers when you pry them from my cold dead hands.

      stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

      by Mother Mags on Wed Apr 21, 2010 at 10:37:48 AM PDT

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  •  You pretty much nailed it. Good diary! n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  What They Are Talking About Is Economic Policy (1+ / 0-)
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    Small government means to them the ability for the rich to rape the poor.  So the business owner can justify drowning in money hand over fist, while his slave workers are paid a $1 an hour.  Thats what they mean by small government.

    But oh, they want the government in your bedroom.  They want the government to say Bob can't marry Steve.

    They want the government to say you can smoke that plant.

    They want the government to say two consensual adults can't have sex for money.

    They want the government to say that you can only have sex if you are married to your wife, and can only do it in the missionary position and only for procreation purposes.

    They want the government to say that you cant go to that casino, or bet on that sports game.

    They want the government to control a woman's body.

    They want the government to spy on you at random with no search warrants.

    So don't give me this sh*t about small government.

  •  "inability to cope with the present" -- exactly! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Yes, exactly (0+ / 0-)

    Their beef is actually with an uncertain world that is passing them by.  

    The artificially enhanced social position and artificially enhanced self-worth that used to automatically come with being an older, caucasian, Christian, middle class American has been being eroded for years, and these people feel the uncertainty of the new world that we are all being thrust into.  The causes are myriad, from the increasing diversification of America to the loss of position of the middle class in the past 40 years of neoliberal economics.  However, because of various social limitations, lack of intelligence or introspection, and/or personality disorders, they are not doing a very good job of coping with these changes, hence the political lashing out.

    Now, they cannot say out loud, or often even articulate to themselves, what the true source of their dissatisfaction is.  So they co-opt the only politically acceptable rhetoric that comes remotely close, which is this "limited government" type of stuff.  

    It has been obvious that "limited government" rhetoric has been a sham as far as the right wing in America has been concerned for over 20 years, maybe more.  The right are the first people wanting the government to regulate personal behavior, and have shown no qualms about out of control military spending, enhanced government spying powers, or really any spending program initiated by Republicans, and so on.  It is, however, the closest rhetorically acceptable way for them to broadcast their general frustrations and fears.    

  •  So, let's summarize. The teabagger are bigots. (0+ / 0-)

    They don't mind the "govment" invading in the lives of non-whites, they mind if the "govment" mess in their lives.

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