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This is a liveblog for discussing the ongoing debate between the leaders of the three largest parties in the UK Parliament, now showing on Sky TV (live webcast here):

Gordon Brown, Labour Party leader and current Prime Minister, now trailing in the polls;

David Cameron, Conservative party leader and strong challenger; and

Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader, and surprise leader in some polls.

Gordon Brown, Labour Party leader and current Prime Minister, now trailing in the polls;

David Cameron, Conservative party leader and strong challenger; and

Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader, and surprise leader in some polls.

This liveblog will be for discussing the debate as it goes on and its aftermath.

Originally posted to WIds on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:06 PM PDT.

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  •  I hope Clegg does well again (3+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, Losty, AnnetteK

    and i imagine that the other two will be attacking him now that hes  doing very well in the polls.

    Love is the force for saving all animal life- humans included.

    by GlowNZ on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:08:01 PM PDT

  •  Current subject: Europe (3+ / 0-)
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    bronte17, shiobhan, yella dawg

    David Cameron delivers red meat for British anti-Europe clique; Clegg points out that Britain cannot remove itself from Europe; Brown echoes Clegg.

    Cameron claims that Westminster (the UK Parliament) is letting UK powers go to Europe, and demands a referendum before any transfer of powers.

    Clegg agrees about a referendum on the "fundamental issue: do we stay in or do we go out?" Clegg gives an example of benefits from UK participation in European institutions, e.g. international police measures.

    Brown: Working with Europe is important for the recovery, can't be helped if we're always arguing with European ministers.

  •  Clegg: (1+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan

    "Size does matter."

    "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

    by sancerre2001 on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:12:53 PM PDT

  •  More on Europe (2+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, AnnetteK

    Cameron: Talk to people before transferring powers.

    Clegg: I worked in the EU, and it enhances our negotiating powers with the rest of the world.

    Brown: Tries to drag the subject back to the British economy (even though this is a foreign policy debate).  How does this help him?

    •  I think Brown is reminding viewers ... (1+ / 0-)
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      bronte17

      ...about the purpose of the EU. About 3 million British jobs depend on trade with the EU states.  It's an Economic Community that blends foreign policy with trade.   duh. Cameron and Clegg are turning it into a culture wars topic.

      the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

      by Salo on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:19:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Clegg savages Cameron (7+ / 0-)

    Clegg associates Cameron with "nutters", "a bunch of antisemites" -- referring obliquely to the UKIP and BNP parties.

    Brown tries to be above the fray, calls Cameron "anti-European" and Clegg "anti-American" ?

    Cameron says that his opponents want to get rid of the UK seat on the Security Council.  Brown says this is tosh.

    •  It's all going to be grounded in the nuts and (0+ / 0-)

      bolts of international/EU trade policy with Brown.  

      the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

      by Salo on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:21:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  And here I thought Clegg was going to be (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      WIds

      hurt by his pro-Euro views.  But he turned it against Cameron by lumping him with the BNP.  Clegg is brilliant.

      "The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting." -- Milan Kundera

      by LV Pol Girl on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:25:28 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's on CSPAN3 In the US (4+ / 0-)
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    bronte17, sc kitty, shiobhan, cadejo4

    Check it out!

    Join National Youth Rights Assocation, http://www.youthrights.org and join the youth rights revolution

    by teenvote on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:19:44 PM PDT

  •  Question on Afghanistan (8+ / 0-)

    Will the UK take part in multinational anti-terrorist missions?

    Clegg: Why he supported Afghanistan war -- must stop terrorists who could strike in UK.  Would take part, but must support soldiers and let them do the job properly.

    Brown: Al-Qaeda is in Somalia and Yemen, and they threaten us -- we will deal with them.  Take them on wherever they are.

    Brown is trying to look Prime Ministerial here.

    Cameron: Would think carefully about the national interest.  End division between foreign and national security policy.  Learn from past mistakes.  Never send troops in without proper equipment.  I support Afghanistan but am worried about political situation.

    Clegg: Agrees with Cameron about resources and equipment for troops.  Asks for Defence Review.  Would cancel the Typhoon.  Wouldn't commit to renewing Trident.  Don't overstretch with troops on two fronts.

    Brown: Will be a Defence Review.  Reiterates what he said about needing to face Al-Qaeda anyplace.

    Cameron: Praises UK troops. Stresses importance of solving political issues in Afghanistan.  Why aren't there more Pashtuns in the Afghan army?  Need political settlement so we can come home.

    Clegg: Talks about his visit to Helmand. Learned about continual breakdowns of equipment in Afghanistan.

    Brown: On about Al-Qaeda and explosive devices, going into Pakistan.  (Brown is a little less coherent, trying to cover many issues here.)

    Cameron: Attacks Clegg on Trident (UK's nuclear missile).  In 40 years we might need that.

    Clegg: Several generals have opposed committing to replacing an old Cold-War era system.  Cites Obama about changing military threats.

    Brown: Attacks Clegg on Trident: "Get real".  North Korea and Iran are threats.

    Clegg: This system won't help.  You would exclude Trident from review, but it's the most important thing to review.

    Cameron: Agrees with Brown against Clegg.

  •  The Debate has a feel (8+ / 0-)

    of an actual debate. Yes the sound bites are there but actual policies seem to be being discussed. What a concept. Yes some fear mongering but not like the US where it is all about fear. Also no church what a concept.  

  •  Is it just me... (9+ / 0-)

    or is this debate much more serious and substantive than our Presidential debates?

    "I think I ate your chocolate squirrel." - Brick Tamland

    by Bonsai66 on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:34:30 PM PDT

    •  Give them time (5+ / 0-)
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      sancerre2001, deep, shiobhan, kat68, Bonsai66

      Eventually, British pols will learn how to answer the question they want to answer, instead of the one that was asked, how to tie every last goddamned issue in the universe back to their campaign's perceived strengths, and how to give simple, sound byte answers to complicated questions.

      In other words, once they get the hang of this, their debates will become as useless as ours.

  •  Thanks for the heads-up... (2+ / 0-)
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    sc kitty, shiobhan

    just turned over to CSPAN-3 to find Brown trashing the conservative candidate.

    Clegg is performing really well.

    To believe without knowing is weakness; to believe because one knows, is power. Éliphas Lévi

    by Jahiz on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:35:50 PM PDT

  •  Climate change (6+ / 0-)
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    bronte17, sancerre2001, deep, shiobhan, Jahiz, kat68

    Q: What do you do in your own life to reduce carbon emissions?

    Brown: Supports solar power.  Will reduce emissions by 2020/2030.  Work with Europe.

    Cameron: Conservatives should be a blue/green party. Improve insulation.  Biggest change I've made is opposing 3rd runway at Heathrow.  Support high-speed rail.

    Clegg: Travel to my constituency by train. Wish I could do more.  Airplane CO2 pollution should be tackled.

    Brown: Change energy balance.  Reduce dependence on oil; more nuclear, renewables.  Asks Cameron why he opposes wind power.

    Cameron: Our big opportunity is in our own home.  Encourage people to improve energy efficiency in their homes.  

    Clegg: Nuclear power is very expensive and could increase energy bills, and plants take a long time to build -- too late to deal with our current problems.  Could develop a program in schools, hospitals, etc. for more efficiency.

    Brown: Must use nuclear power for a balanced energy policy.  Yes to wind, hybrids, efficiency, but can't exclude nuclear.

    Cameron: We could have power cuts in 2017.  We need more stored gas (only 2 weeks).  Lights could go out.

    Clegg: Act globally. At Copenhagen Americans and Chinese cut the rest of us out. Europe should be a leader.

    Brown: No British-only solution. We need America on our side for a climate change agreement. Calls Clegg "Anti-American" again.

    Cameron: We don't need more institutions.

    Clegg: My attitude toward America -- an important special relationship, but shouldn't be a one-way street.  Let's act in our own interest.

    Brown: I'm pushing the Americans too.  Calls Cameron anti-Europe.

    Cameron: We don't need new treaties.

    •  The UK is vastly more effcient with energy... (1+ / 0-)
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      shiobhan

      ...the US for example. per capita much better.  We lag behind the Germans but everyone will always lag behind them technologically.  

      The importation petroleum is the killer though.

      the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

      by Salo on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:11:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  No, Clegg, (4+ / 0-)
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    Nedsdag, cadejo4, chopperjc, Losty

    you should do exactly what we tell you to do. ;-)

    "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

    by sancerre2001 on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:36:45 PM PDT

  •  Oh, good (3+ / 0-)
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    sc kitty, shiobhan, Mariken

    A question on the pope. Do the candidates support the visit despite the church's horrendous social policies?

    "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

    by cadejo4 on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:37:49 PM PDT

  •  Tough question on the Catholic Church.... (2+ / 0-)
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    sc kitty, shiobhan

    Asks if the candidates support the Pope's upcoming visit.

    To believe without knowing is weakness; to believe because one knows, is power. Éliphas Lévi

    by Jahiz on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:38:05 PM PDT

  •  oh my mistake (4+ / 0-)
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    sancerre2001, sc kitty, deep, shiobhan

    here comes the church

  •  Wow, (10+ / 0-)

    didn't know you guys cared about our politics enough to live blog.

    I think Clegg is doing well again, despite the Murdoch tactics against him in todays press.

  •  Moderator, (5+ / 0-)
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    sancerre2001, deep, shiobhan, Mariken, AnnetteK

    answer the rest of the damn question. American moderators please take notes

    •  Kudos to Brown (2+ / 0-)
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      shiobhan, AnnetteK

      for pointing out his differences with the church on homosexuality, stem cell research and contraception.

      "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

      by cadejo4 on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:44:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Catholic Church and the Pope's visit (8+ / 0-)

    Q: Will you separate your party from the Pope's policies?

    Cameron: I support the Pope's visit.  Don't agree with everything the Pope says (e.g., contraception, homosexuality) and they need to deal with abuse issues.  But in UK faith is welcome.

    Clegg: I'm an atheist, but my wife and children are Catholic. Many Catholics are torn by the problems, and the Church needs more openness.  I hope when the Pope visits there is more openness and healing about the abuse.

    Brown: I've met abuse victims.  Church must deal with abuse of faith and trust. I'm Presbyterian, but I welcome the Pope's visit. Catholic Church is part of our society; must break down barriers of religion; we have common values.  

    Q: What about science, etc?

    Cameron: Don't agree with Pope on embryo research, abortion, but I'm prepared for an open discussion with the Pope on these issues/

    Clegg: Don't agree with Catholic doctrine on homosexuality; welcoming Pope doesn't mean agreeing with him on every issue.

    Brown: We introduced civil partnerships and extended rights to gays. Should be able to do embryo research.  We need to encourage right to contraception in Africa, Pope shouldn't be opposing it.

  •  also on ITV (3+ / 0-)
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    sc kitty, shiobhan, AnnetteK

    w/ real-time viewer response:

    http://www.itv.com/...

  •  Cameron is a bit of a tool. (4+ / 0-)
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    jaywillie, shiobhan, chopperjc, AnnetteK

    Brown and Clegg are scoring the most hits...with the edge going to Clegg for the 'Jobs for Life' comment about the professional political class.

    Makes him look like the outsider, wanting to reform the system.

    "I think I ate your chocolate squirrel." - Brick Tamland

    by Bonsai66 on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 12:54:18 PM PDT

  •  Political system (8+ / 0-)

    Q: How do you restore confidence in the system in the light of corruption?

    Clegg: You need to have the right to sack your MP. Need to clean up campaign finance. Slams Brown and Cameron on finance issues.
    We have a bad electoral system.

    Brown: Agrees with right to recall MP, right to petition, change the House of Lords -- people should have a referendum on electoral and Lords reform.  Attacks Conservatives.

    Cameron: Need to clean up parliament.  Reviews "expenses" fiasco. (Private expenses charged to public.) Open primaries, more people involved in choosing candidates. But don't change FPTP system.

    Clegg: Exciting that young people are registering to vote. People have been turned off by old party politics.  But now we can do something different.  Register and vote, assert your right to shape your future. This could be the most exciting election in a long time.

    Brown: I was ashamed by behavior of Commons members. Should throw out any MP who breaches standards of behavior.  Politics is important, affects money, police, education policy.

    Cameron: Politicians have treated people like mugs.  They can't solve our problems.  If you want safer streets or better schools, don't trust the government.  Ordinary people have to work to change the country.

    Brown: All people should take responsibility, but can't run the Health Service on a do-it-yourself principle.

    Clegg: Culture of jobs for life in politics.  The old parties just need 20-30% of the vote and have safe seats and entrenched power.  We can solve corruption by electoral reform.

    Brown: Public service is about serving public, not yourself.

    Cameron: If you take responsibility, you're punished.  If you work hard and save, government bypasses you.  This is unfair.

    Brown: Biggest unfairness is that your manifesto benefits the richest in the country.  You're cutting inheritance tax.

    Clegg: We need responsibility.  Some MPs used public money to improve properties and pocket the profits.

    Cameron: People are getting angry about politicians claiming their party is better than others. (Attacking Clegg)

    Brown: Should have openness and should work full-time for the people, should have right to recall MPs.

    Clegg: To get people to invest trust again, you have to walk the walk.

  •  From where I'm sitting (4+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, cadejo4, Losty, amk for obama

    Clegg is hammering them.

    Unfortunately, he has to win by a huge margin to gain a decent number of seats.

  •  Understanding this is (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shiobhan, AnnetteK

    the first series of debates for Britain. In America visual is a lot. Brown looks like a troll in comparison. Can anybody say Nixon.

  •  Cameron is out of puff. (2+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, AnnetteK

    the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

    by Salo on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:01:50 PM PDT

  •  He's probably in shock (15+ / 0-)

    he thought he was the wunderkind.

    Sucks to find out you've been outwonderkinded.

  •  Pensions (6+ / 0-)

    Is 59 pounds/week a reasonable pension?

    Brown: No. We have introduced pension credit. All pensioners should have dignity and security.

    Cameron: We should do better, give you dignity and security.  Tie pension to earnings, not prices. From 2016, we'll postpone retirement to fund pensions.  Shouldn't punish those who put money aside.

    Clegg: Earnings link should be restored. Many other costs for elderly: fuel costs.  Some people are travelling on buses just to stay warm.  This must change.

    Brown: Every woman should have a full state pension.  Everyone who works for an employer should have occupational pension.  Old people should have help so they can stay at home.  Cameron won't fund prescriptions. Clegg will cut winter fuel allowance.

    Cameron: Brown is trying to scare you! We'll keep your old age benefits.  Labour is lying.

    Clegg: 2 1/2 million pensioners are in poverty. We must use our tight money wisely.  We are changing the eligibility for winter fuel payments; raising age limit and transferring payments to the ill.

    Brown and Cameron crosstalk: Cameron: We'll keep eye tests.  Will you withdraw your leaflets?

    Brown: Clegg will cut winter fuel payments.

    Clegg: We're extending payments for ill and disabled, and doing so by bringing forward a decision Labour has already made (changing age limit).  Condemns 'cheap political points'.

    Cameron: If you've worked and saved hard, should be able to pass on your home to your children.  

    Brown: People should be able to stay in their own homes without worrying about finance.  Should be limits on costs, people shouldn't be forced into old people's homes.

    Clegg: Caregivers for loved ones need more time off, should give money to give them a break.

    Cameron: Should help carers go on doing what they're doing. Put budget in their hands.  

  •  Coalition government (10+ / 0-)

    Q: Should we have a government of all the talents?

    Cameron: I helped Tony Blair on some issues.  If there's a hung parliament we should responsibly provide the best government.  But we need a powerful government, not a hung parliament.

    Clegg: We're facing big issues -- it's better for politicians to work together. We will gather in a Council of Financial Responsibility with political and economic leaders to be open on the situation.  Don't believe scare stories about disaster from a hung parliament.

    Brown: We already have these councils.  We need a plan to reduce the deficit, and there's no agreement.  Government should be supporting the economy.

    Cameron: If it's a hung parliament, we'll do our best to help.  If we win, we'll try to take the country with us.  But we have a fundamental disagreement.  We need savings this year to stop future tax rise.  Taxing jobs will hurt economy.

    Clegg: It's not bad for politicians to talk to each other. Brown's councils don't involve different parties.  Cameron is scaremongering about hung parliaments.  But if we talk to each other we can provide a sound government.

    Brown: I invited various parties and peoples into the government. I've taken economy through crisis, we've made right decisions.  Cameron wants to take money out of the economy for ideological reasons. Cameron is a risk to economy, Clegg is a risk to security (ref. Trident).

    Cameron: Business leaders support me: cut waste, stop jobs tax. We need national security council sitting as a War Cabinet with other party leaders to see what advice we're getting.

    Clegg: If politicians talk to each other, we must be up front with our priorities. We stand for tax, education, and political reform.

    Brown: Recovery is our priority.  Keep people working.  Can't take money out of the economy.  Cameron and Clegg haven't thought it through.

    Clegg: Why don't you reform the banking system?  We stand for splitting up the banks.

    Cameron: See all the bickering!  This is what you get with a hung parliament!  Clegg has flipflopped on jobs tax.  

    Brown: Cameron is still taking money out of the economy.  This is the old Conservative Party.  To Clegg: small banks are no better than big banks.

    Clegg: Governor of Bank of England agrees that we need to split big banks.  Cites Obama, American policy in the Thirties.  We owe it to the future to make sure that bank crisis never happens again.

  •  amnesty oh no (1+ / 0-)
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    Bonsai66

    Gordon Brown = John McCain?

  •  The real question is this: (5+ / 0-)
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    sancerre2001, deep, shiobhan, kat68, AnnetteK

    Which candidate do you want to have a pint of Guiness with?

    "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

    by mark louis on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:20:47 PM PDT

  •  I'd certainly keep Labour after looking at this. (4+ / 0-)

    Replace Brown with Miliband as PM if needed and have Clegg as Foreign Secretary.   Put Brown back in the Exchequer.

    Cameron and Clegg cannot form a coalition if they are being honest with each other and the people.

    So it's a LAb-lib pact alright.

    David Cameron is an Alan B'stard type who'll shiv us all.

    the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

    by Salo on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:24:12 PM PDT

  •  Immigration (6+ / 0-)

    Q: How do you make immigration fairer?

    Clegg: Tighten border controls so we know who goes in and out.  Reinstate exit controls, improve border police.  Straighten out chaos of illegal immigration created by Conservative and Labour policies.

    Brown: Clegg wants an amnesty for illegals - bad! People will come and think we'll legalize them in the future.  We will control and manage immigration.  Unskilled workers can't come in.  In future skilled workers will also be phased out if we can replace them with British workers.

    Cameron: Important to build a strong society, but immigration levels are too high. Clegg and Brown aren't addressing the issue.  Cap people coming from outside the EU.

    Clegg: We just need an immigration system that works.  I'm not supporting blanket amnesty.  But we can't deny the chaos.  We don't know who is coming in, going out, who has lived for a long time, who is being exploited in the shadow.  But if you speak English, pay taxes, do community service, we should find a way of legalizing status.

    Brown: We need a universal ID system, biometric visas, point system.  But no amnesty.

    Cameron: We've had high levels of immigration, and Clegg's policies will increase them.  Regional immigration would create internal movement controls.

    Clegg: People have no faith in the chaos of immigration system.  Don't deny the problem.  You may disagree with me, but I am trying to deal with the situation.  Caps don't work.

    Brown: I'm reducing net inward migration.  We will count those coming in and out.

    Clegg: What will you do about the people already here, in the shadows of economy?  You have no plans.

    Cameron: Only the Conservatives will give real change! It's an important issue!  We need firm immigration control.  Back in the old days people didn't ask about this -- we were happy with the old level of immigration.  Labour's fault, and LD will make it worse.

    Clegg: What's your cap?

    Cameron: Set cap to achieve big reduction by talking with various authorities. We need political will!

    Clegg: You're proposing a cap, but don't know what it will be.  No perfect answers, but yours have no substance.  

    Brown: Falling levels of net inward migration. Point system. No unskilled workers.  Reduced skilled workers and university students.

    Cameron: Good levels before 1997 (77,000 or less).  Since 1997: 100,000+

    Brown: We're part of EU.  Britons in Europe, Europeans in UK.

  •  Hope! (2+ / 0-)
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    Drink!

  •  Final statements (8+ / 0-)

    Brown: Buck stops here. We'll work in Afghanistan to bring troops home. Won't unilaterally disarm. Don't put economic recovery at risk.  We've taken big decisions.  Conservatives will take out government resources, and risk recovery.  LDs will risk our security.

    Cameron: Brown is desperate and trying to frighten you.  Let's break from last 13 years. Conservatives offer fresh, new leadership.  Keep country secure. Support families and those who do the right thing.  Great days ahead.  With right leadership we can achieve anything. Build "Big Society."

    Clegg: If we do things differently, we can shape the world, not complain about it. We can act differently. Something exciting is happening.  We can do something different.  Others will block change, spread fear.  Stand up for our values, and we can be proud again. Don't repeat mistakes of past. It can be different.

  •  YouGov instant poll: (4+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, Losty, Mariken, AnnetteK

    Who won debate:

    Cameron: 36%
    Clegg: 32%
    Brown: 29%

  •  Really enjoyed that thank you (5+ / 0-)
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    WIds, shiobhan, Nedsdag, amk for obama, Mariken

    Surprise, surprise!, the YouGove poll (Murdoch) is saying that Cameron won the debate.

    I'm reading the Guardian one and Clegg won that by a mile, 63% so far.

  •  Comres/ITV Poll (5+ / 0-)
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    shiobhan, Nedsdag, Losty, lompe, amk for obama

    Clegg: 33%
    Cameron: 30%
    Brown: 30%

    When will DKos4 come ???

    by Mariken on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 02:02:27 PM PDT

  •  wow (2+ / 0-)
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    WIds, Mariken

    thanks for the diary :) lovely to read along.

    Going to be an interesting time!!!

  •  Loving the love for Nick Clegg from Kossacks (0+ / 0-)

    I was glued to this site when you guys made it happen for Obama, so it's nice to see some of the affection being returned!

    As someone who volunteered on Nick's first Parliamentary campaign - before he was an MP - this is about the most thrilling thing that I could ever imagine happening.

    People who know Nick really believe that he can be PM one day.

    Or maybe this time...?

    You may find it refreshing to learn that none of that is an act - he really is that forthright and personable in real life!

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