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Apparently for the Arizona legislature, one racist bill every few months is insufficient. They are working overtime on the obnoxious factor.  HB 2211 was passed last month which would make it "illegal for a school district" to have any courses or classes that are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity"

The bill would ban classes that "promote resentment toward a race of class of people."  How in the world are they going to determine that?   Sometimes the facts cause resentment - so what? You remove the facts?

http://azstarnet.com/...

 Don't ask who they are coming for- they are coming for you. Its the object of this legislature to make sure that only their version of history is believed and that there is no sense of shared history and solidarity outside the traditional White European view of history.   Anything not their version (say the history of farmworkers in the United States) is not appropriate, despite its truth.

One of the Senators,  Linda Lopez, did try to fight this.  She was able to make it illegal for schools to refuse to teach about the Holocaust.  Can you imagine, if that provision had not been added? She also tried to make the point that facts themselves may cause resentment and reaction  (Lets not teach about Sept 11th, lets not teach Pearl Harbor she said to make her point) - because all of that may also cause resentment" Of course these are appropriate things to teach about to the Senators so that was left in.

The fact that teaching something different from what these people want taught is frightening.   I fear what the next law this legislature is going to bring.  Their agenda is crystal clear.

Originally posted to KateG on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 08:46 AM PDT.

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  •  They may not be aware of this (21+ / 0-)

    but people of northern European descent are members of an ethnic group, and everyone who speaks, speaks with an accent. This law is just another way of saying that to be WASP is the normal condition of humanity and that everyone who is not a WASP is defective in some way.

    You don't bring a knife to a gunfight and you don't bring a chicken to the doctor.

    by beltane on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 08:51:07 AM PDT

  •  hmmmm (8+ / 0-)

    Would that also include ESL classes?  Don't those folks get all snittered up over people not speaking English?

    When do I get to vote on your marriage?

    by tvb on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 08:51:37 AM PDT

    •  Apparently (4+ / 0-)

      ESL classes are allowed...They had to work hard to figure out what was allowed.

      State Superintendent for Publica instruction Tom Horne had been fighting for this bill

      http://www.foxnews.com/...

      "Horne claimed the ethnic studies program encourages "ethnic chauvanism," promotes Latinos to rise up and create a new territory out of the southwestern region of the United States and tries to intimidate conservative teachers in the school system."

      Its all about fear..

  •  Just another attack on our public ed system (7+ / 0-)

    Move along. Nothing to see here.

    Interested in identifying and eating wild plants? Check out my foraging diaries.

    by wide eyed lib on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 08:52:48 AM PDT

  •  Have never been to Arizona... (1+ / 0-)
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    but it just sounds like a cracker hellhole.

  •  the faux news network (11+ / 0-)

    would be banned from az schools. as would the state's governor:

    The bill would ban classes that "promote resentment toward a race of class of people."

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:01:25 AM PDT

    •  SOP for Republicans. (4+ / 0-)
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      Sometimes the facts cause resentment - so what? You remove the facts?

      Pretty much. Republicans do not acknowledge as real anything that conflicts with their world view.

      Resolving cognitive dissonance doesn't require changing your thoughts to match reality. The other way around certainly is not recommended. But you can do it.

      _Karl Rove is an outside agitator._

      by susanala on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:08:31 AM PDT

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  •  Holocaust studies promotes anti-Germanism (3+ / 0-)
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    Ban it, sez I!

    When your dream comes true, you're out one dream --The Nields

    by Rich in PA on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:04:36 AM PDT

  •  That will go over GREAT with the Universities (5+ / 0-)

    there, which, presumably have Ethnic Studies Departments. That's a serious Academic Freedom violation, in fact.

    Have the colleges responded? I'd be very, very curious to hear from them.

    Tipped & Rec'd

    "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." -- MLK Jr.

    by mahakali overdrive on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:05:19 AM PDT

    •  The universities will not be pleased (3+ / 0-)
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      and that will be a good thing. They're already angry about the anti-immigrant bill, which apparently is causing students from out of state to decide not to go there. There was a diary about that topic yesterday; I wish I had time to look it up and link it.

      You have to wonder: at some point will things get to where the state universities find their accreditation in jeopardy?

  •  I don't know if your assessment is accurate (0+ / 0-)

    Teaching American history is important, isn't it? Or will every ethnic group now get chapters and classes that only focuses on a particular group?

    Historically speaking, Mexicans, Native Americans, Italians, Irish, Polish, German etc all came here and made history.

    I see it as a way of "divide and conquer". Keeping us as Americans from coming together and being one nation.

    If we have specialty groups or ethnic groups that get preferential treatment, they become less American, so to speak.

    Don't get me wrong here, understanding our own roots and familial history and former cultures is important and can be a sense of pride for many of us. But shouldn't those things be taught by families and or ethnic community centers?

    Like here in NY we have Italian Heritage Groups, Polish Heritage Groups, etc. that share their unique perspective and history with those willing to learn.

    I've seen the history myself in action, I'm not a racist or bigot by any stretch of the imagination.

    After moving to Buffalo from a quaint small town where we were taught the evils of slavery and the terrible discrimination of black people. I had compassion for what their ancestors went through.

    I was shocked and disgusted to experience first hand the black people not assimilating into society, it was, from what I experienced intentional.

    We created an entire group of people that have been raised with a "chip on their shoulders" and then blame every white person they meet as the enemy.

    Having ancestral pride and understanding is one thing to continue to perpetuate division and "multi-culutralism" we'll see more and more violent outbreaks like we did in LA with the Rodney King incident or the racial attacks that happen against whites here in Buffalo, all the time.

    It pits one nationality against the other. So, this may be an extreme "reaction" to stop this from happening.

    •  This bill (6+ / 0-)

      makes it illegal..illegal..to teach anything that promotes resentment. Who decides what facts out there promote resentment? The history of the farmworkers?  The history of slavery? Once you make laws to pick and choose the telling of history, you have problems and you leave out facts. The fact that they had to specifically ADD the fact that they could teach the Holocause is very telling.

      Besides that..   The agenda here is clear from my other quote of one of the promoters of this bill..-fear  of the other, in this case the Latino

      fear that it  "promotes Latinos to rise up and create a new territory out of the southwestern region "

       Dealing with anger about our history is not easy - but its part of the uncomfortable process of coming to terms with our history and you can't skip over it to come together as a nation.

      •  Okay, why do we need to teach resentment? (0+ / 0-)

        Our history has been whitewashed for a good century.

        Americans don't understand how badly but I'll suggest the following book:

        "The Lies My Teacher Told Me", by James W. Loewen.

        http://www.amazon.com/...

        How things become part of the "curriculum" taught in our schools is disgusting now....

        But back to my question, why would you want to teach children to hate this country unless you wanted to destroy it?

        Or divide us up so that we hate each other?

        History has some truly evil parts to it, and it should not be ignored, denied or whitewashed.

        Some of the things I've learned about this country that was never taught to me in all my years in public education and private college is, in a word...disgusting. I've learned from the aforementioned book than I did throughout my educational years.

        So, I guess it all depends on how it's taught, do we want another generation of Americans growing up hating each other? Or "keeping to themselves" because of ancestral or historical autocracies committed?

         

    •  What their "ancestors" went through? (5+ / 0-)

      We created an entire group of people that have been raised with a "chip on their shoulders" and then blame every white person they meet as the enemy.

      Seems the ones with the biggest chip are the ones proposing laws like this.

      And exactly what does "assimilating into society" mean?  What society?  Whose society?  What IS "American Society"?.

      •  Fair questions. (0+ / 0-)

        Let's see, when my grandparents came here back in 1913 fleeing persecution, they spoke Gaelic and Lithuanian. They learned how to speak and write English. They demanded their children learn English and become what they perceived as Americans.

        Whining about the persecutions they faced in the "home countries" was rarely talked about. They knew if they wanted a better life they had to do things as per the rules.

        They didn't come here signing the national anthem of their former country or demonstrating carrying their former nations flags, they didn't demand that their children be taught in their native languages. They adapted and became Americans.

        They did it legally, my grandfather did speak of his waiting period, it was over 3 yrs to come here because the quota's had been filled.

        They didn't ask for or expect anything.

        When I saw the protests in LA a few years ago, I was shocked. They want to be Americans but yet they were singing the Mexican national anthem and waving the Mexican flag....is that being an American?

        Look, having pride in your national heritage is great. Demanding that I speak to you in your native tongue because you came her not knowing the language I was raised and taught in is my fault? Or something I should feel guilty about?

        So, I guess the assimilation I speak of is the same one that my grandparents did and demanded of their children.

        What's wrong with that?

        •  A Lithuanian or Gaelic is a white person (6+ / 0-)

          Are you avoiding the obvious? Of course your grandparents wanted to you blend in. That's because you CAN blend in. If your grandparents were japanese americans, then no matter what they did- they, and you , would still be considered 'foreign' and subject to round-ups and internment. If they were mexicans, same thing. Whole communities of Mexican americans were rounded up and deported during the Great Depression. same thing if you were chinese. Here in CA they had to win 2 lawsuits just to enroll their american born kids in public schools. Same with black people. You can see with your own eyes how a black man born here in the US got elected president, and legions of whites refuse to believe that he is american. Muslim americans... well- you know the story. That's what happens when you are not white european. Your story is not universal.

          •  Wait here a minute. (0+ / 0-)

            The Irish, the Italians, the Polish all were treated like scum and dirt bags once reaching the "shores" of America and were forced to do menial jobs just like subsequent ethnic groups.

            It's ugly, it's not fair, but it is historical facts.

            As for your claims "about blending in" because they were white and the historical facts of how ethnic groups were singled out and rounded up is exactly what I'm talking about here.

            Can't you see it? I agree completely that history shouldn't be "whitewashed" to save someone's feelings....but teaching children to think of themselves as different or special creates and teaches prejudices against "those other races"....does it not?

            •  I am different.... (1+ / 0-)
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              I don't want to be anymore assimilated than I already am into whatever the fuck "American society" is...

              Sorry if that seems rude, but "American society" landed on my father's people, to paraphrase Malcom X.

              I find it ironic that you talk about fostering "resentment" by education..as though a bill like this doesn't?  

            •  Do you really believe that? (1+ / 0-)
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              teaching children to think of themselves as different or special creates and teaches prejudices against "those other races"....does it not?

              I don't think so.

              Teaching factual history, even when our ancestors were shown to have done wrong, is what is necessary to truly educate. Without real education, what is the point? Will some be upset by what was historically done to specific people? Yes, if they're thinking. Will they learn the damages and the dangers of those types of treatment if the history is avoided? I don't think so.

              "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." Anne Lamott

              by MsWings on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:31:40 AM PDT

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              •  Teaching factual historical facts (0+ / 0-)

                Is perfectly acceptable and expected. If we don't teach history, how can we not learn from it?

                But it all depends how it's presented, right?

                If I tell you a really bad story of how my great grandparents were beaten and 4 horse quartered because they were Catholic, and I told you this in a way that made you hate the English. And it was done to children in public schools, would they not grow up hating the English?

                I hate propaganda, no matter where it comes from. And these Arizonians are really going to extremes these days.

                But maybe they do understand something. When we label ourselves into ethnic groups or groupings...we all loose in the end.

                Can we ever come together for a common goal or are the only goals that which presented for a specific group of people?

                Again, I'll say this "divide and conquer".

            •  Irish, Polish, Italians all blended in (1+ / 0-)
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              by the second generation. That's the advantage of being white. Noone could tell you are polish by looking at you. Lithuanian even more so. Not so with the other minorities. You blame them for not blending in like you and your family did. Well- guess what- they CAN'T BLEND IN like you and your family. An american born black man is elected president and they stil call him a Kenyan terrorist. Do you get it?
              As to your assertion that ethnic studies 'teaches prejudices against other races'- Where did yo get that idea? What on earth are you talking about? If I study marine biology, does it mean I hate birds and land animmals?

        •  Do you even know the demographic make-up of AZ? (6+ / 0-)

          I am not talking about the huge influx of snowbirds (to use a term very broadly)..seriously take a look at th migration patterns of Anglos into AZ...and tell me who should assimilate who?

          Should the historic Spanish speaking population, that predates in many cases, the westward expansion of "real" Americans be put aside?

          How about the certainly indigenous Native American populations "assimilate"?

          Over 50 years ago, my family lived in Arizona for a few years.   My first memories are from there..Old Tucson.   One of the most cherished memories I have from my late grandmother is the Green Corn Tamale recipe she got from a native Arizonian...a Mexican lady who did not speak English very well at all.  

          The Mexican heritage runs deeper in Arizona than the Anglo snowbird one...and that doesn't even begin to touch the American Indian culture that is still there.  

    •  society = whites in buffalo? (7+ / 0-)

      why didn't you try to assimilate to them instead? why is it that they ought to assimilate to you to make you comfortable, exactly?

      and discrimination being something that their ancestors went through, but they all have chops on their shoulders?

      multiculturalism leading to riots and racial attacks?

      man, you really do not get it.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:28:55 AM PDT

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      •  Especially considering that the Mexicans (7+ / 0-)

        were in Arizona long before the English and Scots-Irish even knew it was there. If anything, the US imposed a foreign culture on the existing population when we took over the governing of the region.

        Add onto that the overlay of mostly white retirees moving in for the last 30 or 40 years and you have ANOTHER layer of cultural imposition (as exemplified by the bright green lawns in the middle of a desert ecology, courtesy of enormous amounts of wasted water). If anything, as you noted, the white population of Arizona should be assimilating to a Mexican-type culture.

        •  There was a very small Mexican presence (2+ / 0-)
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          in Arizona at the time of the takeover. In fact, the Apaches had damned near driven them out. Tucson was but a village and the Presidio there was the northernmost Mexican outpost. The Anglo influx began to take off when the railroad reached Tucson in 1880.

          •  To an extent.... (3+ / 0-)
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            But the population of AZ had grown nearly 10 times in the past 60 some years...

            I think the real "Anglo influx" began much later.  

            •  Oh, for sure. (1+ / 0-)
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              But there has also been a similar Mexican influx. A common misconception that all, or even most, Hispanic Arizonans are descendants of the original inhabitants. Not to forget Mormon colonizers from the north either.

              •  Agree.... (3+ / 0-)
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                But a brief perusal of history shows that Mexico and Spain before that had their fingers in the pie centuries before Anglos showed up.   What was it called?  Something like 'New California" by the newly independent Mexican government

                Anglos are late comers to the "party"..and yet they are the driving force to ban "ethnic" studies.   It would be laughable if it wasn't so ugly.

                And again, would a bill like this force schools in AZ to ignore the Native American heritage of what is now called Arizona?  

              •  well, those who went south (2+ / 0-)
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                didn't exactly disappear, any more than those who were deported in the 30s (many of them american citizens). and while it's incredibly complicated, a lot of norteño mestizos had indio ancestors who used to live, trade, and migrate around where the mexican-american war and gasden purchase drew lines in the desert.

                surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                by wu ming on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:13:46 AM PDT

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        •  in terms of water (4+ / 0-)
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          it would be a godsend if the whole lot of them learned to live like they were in a desert.

          surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

          by wu ming on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:15:38 AM PDT

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          •  Thank you! (2+ / 0-)
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            I just remembered one aspect of "American society"   The requisite Green lawn in the desert.

            •  to their credit (4+ / 0-)
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              phoenix has gradually crept towards sanity on lawns over the past several years, but the golf courses and temperate climate water habits persist. still a long way to go all across the west, really.

              surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

              by wu ming on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:26:06 AM PDT

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              •  That's good news. (3+ / 0-)
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                As I said above somewhere, my first memories are from Tucson.  I just went and looked at some of the family pics...(OMG, seeing my little 2 yo self playing in the tiny wading pool in my undies...and a hat..underwear and a hat!) anyway, our yard wasn't green lawn...it wasn't whatever grew there naturally.  

                What is it called?  Xeriscaping?

                But isn't that part of American culture, to force any habitat into the "lawn" mode of more temperate and wetter climates.   The water issues in the west...don't get me started...

                •  yup, xeriscaping (1+ / 0-)
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                  looks so much nicer than lawns anyways.

                  my grandparents moved to sedona back in the 70s (before all the new agers and movie stars and such), so i have fond memories of arizona as well. my mom grew up in tuscon, but i've never been. one of these days i'll get out there, i hear its beautiful.

                  surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                  by wu ming on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:36:41 AM PDT

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                  •  There is a park or something (1+ / 0-)
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                    that I have a very vivid memory of...it's a bit out of town.  I was 2 y/o and we went there for a picnic.   I think it's sort of famous.  When my grandfather passed away we came across some placemats from AZ and one of them was this place!    Mom knew the name of it and said we used to go there quite a bit.

                    It's kind of driving me crazy...I'm trying to find it.

                    I was lucky I guess to have memories of AZ before the great influx.   Even after the part of my family that moved to northern California (Eureka area) we mostly traveled through AZ to get back MO for the family confabs.   A beautiful state.

                    My great aunt worked for the BIA and we spent time up in Kayenta  (a heartbreaking experience for her, the boarding school system, another time).   So I grew up with pieces of the old AZ in my homes.   She always brought home beautiful things the Navajo had made.    

      •  Rodney King must have had a 'chip on his shoulder (4+ / 0-)
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        I guess those 20 nice baton wielding policemen were just trying to get the chip off his shoulder! Geeez why can't black people be grateful when we beat them with batons?

      •  Why should any American? (0+ / 0-)

        Be required to assimilate to another new arrived or intentionally segregated group of people.

        I suggest all read the book by Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., "The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society".

        http://www.associatedcontent.com/...

        Mr. Schlesinger believes that "ethnicity is the cause of the breaking of nations," citing as examples racial conflicts in countries as diverse as the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, many African and Southeast Asian countries, and even parts of Western Europe and Canada. He notes that these nations have been unable to successfully unify their heterogeneous populations because they have failed to inspire a sense of national identity and thus provide a compelling reason to integrate.

        •  Again, integrate into what? (2+ / 0-)
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          •  Are you trying intentionally being obtuse? (0+ / 0-)

            I've explained what I think and I've provided good historical books to elucidate how and why I hold these opinions, yet it seems not good enough for you.

            Are you trying to get me to admit to something or say something that you then can attack because it's "racist" or "bigoted"....or...?

            How much clearer can I be for you?

        •  So are you and Mr. Schlesinger (1+ / 0-)
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          leading the charge to stop all St. Patrick's and Columbus Day parades, eliminate the largely Irish symbolism from many police and fire departments? Stop the Chicago river from being turned green each year on St. Patrick's day?

          Our real adversaries are not each other

          by Vita Brevis on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 11:13:22 AM PDT

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          •  Will those activities cause ethnic violence? (0+ / 0-)

            Do drunken Irishmen go on rampages targeting Blacks, Italians, Mexicans, etc. because they aren't Irish?

            Or are those celebrations a day when everyone claims they are Irish?

            I go to the yearly "Italian Festival" here in Buffalo, but I'm not Italian. I've never gone to the annual Greek Festivals, so does that make me a Greek hater?

            Having pride in one's heritage I'm all for. But teaching children that they are victims and will always be victims or teaching them to hate America will keep us from become one America.

            And as the author of this diary said, they don't want to teach "resentment". I humbly agree. Teach the facts, don't whitewash them, don't deny them...it all depends how it's taught...

            Is the goals of teaching Mexican heritage, or Chinese heritage, or Irish heritage meant to elucidate history or victimize those groups?

            What are the goals? Will the teaching be done as a way to demonize everyone else or what?

    •  Pray tell (6+ / 0-)

      assimilate into society as defined by whom?

      This is rich:

      We created an entire group of people that have been raised with a "chip on their shoulders" and then blame every white person they meet as the enemy.

      I would argue:

      We created an entire group of people that have been raised with a "chip on their shoulders" and then blame every non- white person they meet as the enemy.

      They're called tea partiers, and people who write laws like the one we've seen in Arizona and proposed elsewhere. They were also the people who wrote Jim Crow laws.

      I don't blame every white person I meet as the enemy nor do the majority of non-white people I know. I will concede that there are some who may. Understanding why might be more productive than telling them "just assimilate".

      Our real adversaries are not each other

      by Vita Brevis on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:29:16 AM PDT

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    •  "chip on their shoulder"? (4+ / 0-)
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      What does that mean? You mean if a black person doesn't smile at a white person, does that mean he has a 'chip on his shoulder' now?

    •  Assimilation is a lie when you are not white. (4+ / 0-)
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      It doesn't matter what you do or say, when you are not white, you are always seen as your ethnicity first in America.

      In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

      by nokkonwud on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:33:51 AM PDT

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      •  That may be absolutely true but (0+ / 0-)

        where does it end? If we teach our children, of all races, that their ancestors were brutally used, discriminated against or killed?

        Look, lying or denying things happened is not what I'm against. I'm against the mentality that everyone in America is now a victim.  We all are or were at some point in our histories.

        As a point of historical facts, Irish and Scottish peoples were one of the first races ever enslaved.

        •  "We" don't have to teach our children anything. (3+ / 0-)
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          Society at large teaches ethnic minorities that we are less than.

          I was born in Nebraska, as were my parents. I grew up speaking English only. When I was younger, I announced to my Father that the key to acceptance in America was to act and dress and speak like the white majority and they would accept "us" as Americans. But it isn't true.

          I went to court a couple of years ago for a traffic ticket and the first question they asked me was "Do you understand English?" I majored in American Lit in college.

          I went to my cousin's wedding in the early 90's and when my father and brother came to see me at the hotel, they asked for me at the front desk and the white receptionist asked, "Does he work in the kitchen?"

          I went to a family reunion 5 years ago and was treated rudely by a convenience store clerk, who by the way was extremely solicitous to the white ladies in front of and behind me, because I was the only Hispanic in the store. During that same trip, my Mother and I were chased out of a store in the mall by the owner because he "didn't deal with beaners."

          No, we don't have to teach our children anything about hate and injustice. White America does a good job of that on it's own.

          In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

          by nokkonwud on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 11:15:21 AM PDT

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          •  And why is that again? (0+ / 0-)

            Clearly our educational system has failed or it's done exactly as the "puppeteers" wanted it to do...

            Divide and conquer all of us.

            I could share stories of my personal discrimination but it's not based on race but sexual orientation. So, when you tell me stories of those ignorant acts, I do understand.

            What is being done wrong then? How are our children being taught? I've never met a child that is racist or even sees a problem with "color" or "sex". Those things are taught.

            How do we overcome them?

            •  I don't have an answer. (0+ / 0-)

              I know it has to start with the parents as far as children are concerned. As the old saying goes, children have to be taught to hate.

              BTW, I also have stories of discrimination because I am Queer, but strangely, I have more stories due to ethnicity than to my being gay.

              In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

              by nokkonwud on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 12:36:03 PM PDT

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      •  Why do the blacks in France or the UK (0+ / 0-)

        not have as many problems as the blacks here? Why are they discriminated against to this day? What did the French or English do that we didn't, after all they're the ones that started slavery?

        Why is it when I listen to the BBC, I can't tell if the speaker is white or black? But if I listen to an American station, it's clear as day?

        Why is this so? Because of our educational system. And the ignorant choices of President Wilson, whom upon becoming President fired all blacks in any gov't position. His racism has set our country back by a century, but most Americans don't know that.

        How, 1 man made it acceptable to treat others as inferior and less than equal.

  •  ThinkProgress has more on this which includes (8+ / 0-)

    Teachers With Heavy Accents Can’t Teach English, Ethnic Studies Are Banned

    Today, the Wall Street Journal reports that the Arizona Department of Education "recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English":

       

    State education officials say the move is intended to ensure that students with limited English have teachers who speak the language flawlessly. But some school principals and administrators say the department is imposing arbitrary fluency standards that could undermine students by thinning the ranks of experienced educators. [...]

    Speechless...no pun intended

    Our real adversaries are not each other

    by Vita Brevis on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:25:10 AM PDT

  •  So no more American History then? nt (7+ / 0-)
  •  the next bill will have some kind of gay theme.. (4+ / 0-)
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    I am not aware of any new Arizona bill that attacks homosexuals.  That one must be next.

  •  Talk about Political Correctness! (3+ / 0-)
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    It's interesting that the same sort of vague, thought-control type language that wingers always object to as "politcally correct" is now being used by racists to promote an anti-Latino agenda in AZ.

    The language in the law is so vague that it could easily be used to eliminate language courses, or courses on specific aspects of history (European history, History of China, History of the Renaissance, etc).

    It's really hard to say without knowing what the targets of the law are. I mean, are there like a lot of course in AZ high schools that foment anti-Anglo attitudes? Are they taking aim at Black Studies or Latino studies? I mean, last time I looked, white kids could take those courses, too, and often do.

  •  Oh wow, wide open to all sorts (4+ / 0-)
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    of silly interpretation.

    History books are going to get pretty thin.

    Oh no, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican. - Lisa Simpson

    by LaFeminista on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:41:59 AM PDT

  •  Conservatives reveal their true face (4+ / 0-)
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    They love to talk up the free market, personal freedom and responsibility and all that good stuff. But when they are in power you can see what their real agenda is.  They have declared war against the modern world. They want to hark back to some never-never Leave-it-to-Beaver world where black people and hispanics were not seen and not heard.

  •  They can't be serious (3+ / 0-)
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    HB 2281 would make it illegal for a school district to have any courses or classes that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, are designed primarily for students of a particular ethnic group or advocate ethnic solidarity

    No school district is going to do such a thing.

    But look who's protecting the people from the potential dangers

    Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, said Lopez was confusing the issue.

    "History is one thing," he said. "Misinformation, hateful speech, sedition is not appropriate with my tax dollars."

    Legalism: strict conformity to the letter of the law rather than its spirit

    by Catte Nappe on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:20:06 AM PDT

  •  Alternate title: Ban on History in AZ (1+ / 0-)
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    From reading about the goings on in Arizona, I should imagine the election of Barack Obama is not sitting with these people very well, and they "want their country back."

    We are firmly at the stage where to claim that the Teabagger movement is anything but pure outright racism is untenable. Teabaggers are racists who want to remake America into their wistful vision of an all-white, all Christian, all Conservative republican country forever. Minorities in small numbers will be tolerated provided they stay behind the scenes and do the menial tasks.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 10:28:46 AM PDT

  •  Mandatory Hitler Quotes (0+ / 0-)

    First of all, the purely formal cohesion had to be emphasized by the establishment in principle of a uniform official language, and the administration had to be given the technical implement without which a unified state simply cannot exist. Likewise a unified state-consciousness could only be bred for any length of time by schools and education........ If they had not studied history at all, but only possessed a healthy instinct, it would be considerably better and more profitable for the nation....Especially in historical instruction an abridgment of the material must be undertaken. The main value lies in recognizing the great lines of development........Aside from this, it is the task of the folkish state to see to it that a world history is finally written in which the racial question is raised to a dominant position.

    The unifying themes being white victimhood of course.

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