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This is why Jennifer Brunner needs to win tomorrow.  Lee Fisher has no chance of winning in November.

The Past:
If Lee Fisher has proven anything over the last twenty years, it's that the voting public of this state finds him largely unattractive. Lee first won statewide office in 1990. By obtaining 50.0184% of the vote. In a race where 3,360,162 votes were cast, Fisher lucked his way into office by a margin of just 1,234 votes. It would prove to be the only statewide race he won on his own.

In 1994, Fisher decided that he wanted to stick around as Attorney General and ran for re-election. After running what is generally regarded as one of the most negative campaigns in Ohio history, Fisher was defeated by Betty Montgomery by a hundred thousand votes. Not a landslide for Betty, by any means, but Fisher decided to take some time off, to hone his craft. Maybe he'd do better in his next run for office.

No. Absolutely not. In 1998, Fisher ran for Governor. The results were not pretty. Lee ending up getting just 44% of votes. He won just 20 counties -- most notably, Fisher didn't even win Columbus/Franklin County. (For comparison, Jennifer in 2006 won 55% of the vote and won 52 counties) Very appropriately, Lee retired from public service. Never to run for public office again.

Until one day in 2006 when Ted Strickland called. "Hey, babe! Wanna take a ride on my coattails?" Sure! So Fisher joined Strickland's ticket as the Lt. Governor. Of course, Strickland won and Fisher is currently our Lt. Governor. Let's be clear though, the election of Strickland had very little to do with Lee Fisher. That'd be like saying that Obama might not have been elected if it weren't for that Biden boost, those countless people that vote for second name on the ballot.

The Present:
Fisher decides that being the Lt. Governor is pretty boring and that he could use a change of scenery. To Washington, we go! It's gonna be perfect: he's going to ignore his primary opponent, Jennifer Brunner, while cutting off her fundraising so she doesn't seem like a viable candidate. And then he'll run against Rob Portman on a platform of jobs, and he's totally going to win.

Except it's not going to work. Because when Lee attacks Portman for shipping Ohio jobs overseas as Bush's trade representative, Portman's going to respond that Ohio lost 400,000 jobs while Fisher was Ohio's Director of Development. Now, let's be clear: in a very real and direct way, Portman has hurt Ohio and it's economy. Fisher had very little to do with the state of Ohio's economy, and the job loss that occurred was not his fault. But reason doesn't really matter to the general public. Rhetoric does. So Fisher and Portman will get into a tit-for-tat on the economy and the economy argument will likely be a draw. And in this political climate, I'll give any draw to the Republicans. Fisher will lose yet again.

The Very Near Future:
Tomorrow, to be exact. Voters are going to say: well, Lee, thanks for all of that, uhhh, work that you did as Lt. Governor, and for all of those races you lost, but I think we're gonna go a different direction. It's just that...we just want a candidate that can, ya know, win. That's why we're going to vote for Jennifer Brunner. Because if there is anybody that is 100% certifiably not responsible for the state of Ohio's economy, it's Jennifer Brunner. So what will the rhetoric be if Jennifer wins the primary on Tuesday? "Rob, you traded all of our jobs away!" "Jennifer, you love ACORN!" That is a battle we can, and will, win.

So if you're still undecided, I urge you to vote for the candidate with the only realistic chance of winning this November. Vote Jennifer Brunner, Tuesday, May 4th.

Originally posted to dwhite105 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:18 AM PDT.

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    •  Thanks tipped and rec'ed (0+ / 0-)

      please take a look at my diary posted today.
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      thanks

      I support Jennifer Brunner, SoS, for U.S. Senate, Ohio, and I voted for her.

      by OHknighty on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:25:57 AM PDT

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    •  Sadly, you are absolutely correct (5+ / 0-)

      Some may cite polls, but if Portman spends even a little of his $7.6 million, he could have Fisher hopelessly defined as a job killer by the end of the week. In addition, this pushing of "Jennifer is a sore loser" by the Fisher campaign, which apparently now includes Laura Clawson, is going to cost him dearly if he wins the primary, but that won't be the main factor in his loss (although he desperately, desperately needs to soothe the ruffled feathers of the Brunner supporters and anyone who pushes this "sore loser" story is preventing him from doing that).

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com

      by anastasia p on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:34:25 AM PDT

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    •  I unfortunately agree with you (3+ / 0-)
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      I volunteer for Jennifer Brunner current SoS running for US Senate from Ohio, and I voted.

      by J Brunner Fan on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:43:26 AM PDT

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    •  Official statement from Brunner campaign (3+ / 0-)
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      Not meaning to preempt but this is important and should clarify things. David Dettman, Jennifer's campaign manager, has responded to the distorted smears surging through the blogs today:

      "Jennifer Brunner has fiercely guarded the independence of the office of Secretary of State.  She has said for months that if she wins the primary she will continue the delegation of authority she signed that shifted some of her responsibility to senior staff. If she loses the primary, she will resume all of her duties and continue to be an impartial secretary of state.

      Jennifer has said all along that she is a Democrat and will continue to be a good Democrat but she has never endorsed in a race or publicly supported or campaigned for any candidate – including President Obama - since she became Ohio’s chief elections official. She has no plans to change that."

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com

      by anastasia p on Mon May 03, 2010 at 11:38:48 AM PDT

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  •  Not sure how (7+ / 0-)

    Being elected to statewide office is proof that one is unelectable.

  •  Clinton supporters said (7+ / 0-)

    Obama was unelectable. And gave lots of evidence to show why.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:22:39 AM PDT

  •  You Forget To Mention (2+ / 0-)
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    that the Democratic party status in Ohio crumbled after the 1994 election like it did in many Midwestern swing states.  

    George Voinovich led a GOP sweep in 1994 that saw him win by a massive landslide and the GOP sweep statewide offices. Mike DeWine swept into the US Senate seat that was being vacated by DEM Sen. Howard Metzenbaum.  Lee was victim of this new GOP lean in the state that lasted all the way up to 2006 when the Ohio public was tired of Bush and corrupt Gov. Taft and Sec of State Ken Blackwell.

    Fisher is leading in the polls for the general election and DEMS desperately need this seat.  His main problem will be money...he is gonna need to raise millions fast.  Portman has a massive 7.6 million warchest waiting to be spent.

    •  Stuff like this – the entire netroots (4+ / 0-)
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      along with everyone else – turning on Jennifer, is going to hurt Fisher's fundraising BADLY. Fisher and Jennifer are leading Portman in one recent poll — Jennifer by a little more – but that's before the campaign starts. And the factors on the ground arn't friendly to Fisher. If Fisher wins tomorrow, 99% sure we won't take this seat.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com

      by anastasia p on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:42:56 AM PDT

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      •  So then you're saying that if Brunner wins... (0+ / 0-)

        It's only 98% sure the Dems won't win?

        Sounds like she should campaign harder, and not whine about how hard it is to run for Senator against the machine.

        klaatu barada nikto

        by JohnGor0 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:01:08 AM PDT

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      •  Its Nothing Against Jennifer (0+ / 0-)

        I am just saying that Fisher is not the "loser" you say he is.  He ran in very different times than now.

        There is no guarantee that either can beat Portman especially with his money.  But it was wrong of the diarist to slam him as a sure loser.  Fisher's fate is tied strongly with what happens with Gov. Strickland.  If Strickland manages to win in this non DEM friendly environment in OH, I could easily see Fisher doing the same.

        The main problem for Fisher is going to be money...he NEEDS to raise millions fast!

  •  If Brunner is so darn electable (6+ / 0-)

    then she'll win by a sizable margin tomorrow, right?

    If she only wins by 1000 votes, will you call for her to quit and bring in somebody more "electable"?

    klaatu barada nikto

    by JohnGor0 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:27:23 AM PDT

  •  Well, you certainly can't posit Brunner (5+ / 0-)
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    as electable considering she's far behind in a Democratic primary. We've seen literall no in her numbers since she announced. She may need to swallow this loss and learn to be a better candidate.

    Ideology aint everything. You gotta have the "stuff."

  •  So Brunner is electable (5+ / 0-)

    Just not in her party's primary?  And what about those polls that show Fisher defeating Portman?  Really, I think some Brunner supporters are borderline delusional.

    "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

    by mark louis on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:31:53 AM PDT

    •  Primary's are a different beast (2+ / 0-)
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      Check out Florida right now.  Crist is the Republican with the best chance to win in November, yet he was being demolished in the polls by Rubio.

      •  You sound like the guys (1+ / 0-)
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        who moan, when their team gets kicked out of the playoffs, that the best team didn't win.

        As a candidate for elected office, Brunner needs to be able to win primaries and generals. If she's a one trick pony, perhaps she should go back to selling newspapers by the expressway exit ramp.

        klaatu barada nikto

        by JohnGor0 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:07:37 AM PDT

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  •  Fisher's beating Brunner for a practical reason (3+ / 0-)
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    Democrats see he does better in the Fall against Rob Portman.

    That's it. Period. They want to win the seat.

    •  Why? (1+ / 0-)
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      Give me just a few reasons that Fisher's better positioned to win in November.  He's not.

    •  I'd say you're a step past. (0+ / 0-)

      Why does he have better numbers against Portman in the Fall?  Because the Ohio machine pushed all the big donors to Fisher's corner.  With a ton more money, it's a lot easier to push your numbers.

      So it's chicken and egg.  Had the party decided to hitch their wagon to Brunner, she would likely have the better numbers against Portman in the Fall.

      The Ohio Dem party isn't terribly progressive, so Fisher is the 'safer' candidate.

      I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

      by Ezekial 23 20 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:44:22 AM PDT

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      •  Fisher has spent the majority of his money (0+ / 0-)

        Trying to defeat Brunner.  Portman's got nearly $8 million on hand.

      •  he doesn't have better numbers against Portman (3+ / 0-)
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        Look at the polls. He doesn't. And the facts are that Portman has a more open line of attack against Fisher than against Brunner. The latest Quinnipiac Poll released Friday shows Jennifer ahead of Portman by four and Lee ahead of him by three. So basically, no difference. Wther that's reality or not we can debate, but the fact is polls don't show what you say.

        Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com

        by anastasia p on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:47:20 AM PDT

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        •  Well, it's not 'what I say'. (1+ / 0-)
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          I was merely assuming the person to whom I was replying had something to back up that claim.

          If you extrapolate from my comment, then had the money gone to Brunner up til now instead, she'd be even farther ahead of Portman by now.

          I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

          by Ezekial 23 20 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:48:57 AM PDT

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    •  Polls show that's untrue (3+ / 0-)
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      Latest poll shows the both beating Portman by about the same, Jennifer a point better. Fisher's beating jennifer — if he does - for a practical reason: he has institutional support of the party on every level. Period.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com

      by anastasia p on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:45:51 AM PDT

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    •  Quite frankly, that's B.S. (1+ / 0-)
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      dwhite105
      Fisher is going to win this race (sadly) because the Democratic party bosses in Cleveland decided to put all of their funding and resources behind his campaign instead of Brunner's.  Ultimately, the party bosses decided that they'd rather have "their guy" in the Senate race- even if it meant losing in November- rather than take a chance on a relative outsider from the progressive wing.  It's good-ol-boy machine politics, pure and simple.

      If history has proven anything in Ohio politics, it's that Lee Fisher is a terrible statewide politician.  He doesn't have any electoral appeal outside of the northeast, and is about as inspiring as a piece of dry toast.  Does anyone here remember his failed run for Governor in 1998?  If I recall, his concession speech was interrupted by a party activist who stated (and I'm paraphrasing here), that the Democrats deserved what they got for running a candidate like Fisher.  What is that old saying about those who fail to remember history?

  •  simple question (2+ / 0-)
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    For all the Fisher supporters on here:
    Have you looked at Lee FIshers campaign history?
    The fact that he cant put Jennifer Brunner away is not a negative on her--but on HIM!  He is the one with the entire institutional support of the party and BIG MONEY interests.  All Jennifer has is the rank and file Dems who will work their ass off for her.  They will only work for HER....all of Lee's support is institutional and will get behind the Dem candidate the same regardless of who the candidate is.  Lee Fisher at the top of out ticket has never worked before and I dont want to go down that road again....been there done that.  How many of you anti Brunner folks have the experience of Lee Fisher at the top of the ticket?  and no Lt Gov,  does not count.  That was all Ted and everyone knows it.  At least we have hit pieces on FP of dailykos attacking the better Dem...thanks I sure you all know more than those of us on the ground... right.....  But then again what do I know I am just an Ohio voter.  

    •  Who's saying he can't put her away? (1+ / 0-)
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      The recent polls having him doing exactly that. Let's see if they hold up.

      •  Fisher is up by 10,15? That's putting her away (1+ / 0-)
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        I would say

        I am a nativist, and that is a progressive position.

        by numberzguy on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:03:04 AM PDT

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        •  Those numbers are about as soft (0+ / 0-)

          as Elton John's dick in the playboy mansion.

          A third of the voters are undecided.  40% of those that responded are open to having their minds changed.  And let's be realistic about this poll.  People heard Fisher's name on television and said his name to sound smart to the pollster.  Very seldom to TV commercials get somebody motivated and to the poll.

        •  As much as 17 in one poll (1+ / 0-)
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          and an unspecified "More" in another:

          A

          Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday, April 28, showed Fisher leading the contest 41 percent to 24 percent. A Suffolk University poll on Friday gave Fisher an even bigger lead

          .

          We'll see what happens the trends look ominous for her.

          •  It's over (2+ / 0-)
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            I just hope that the Brunner backers have the ability to take it gracefully.  I sort of doubt it.

            I am a nativist, and that is a progressive position.

            by numberzguy on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:09:09 AM PDT

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            •  Doesn't look like Brunner herself does (1+ / 0-)
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              She's saying she's not going to support Fisher if he wins.

              •  Oh please (0+ / 0-)

                She's Secretary of State, it would be INCREDIBLY inappropriate for her to campaign on behalf of a candidate.  She didn't even campaign for Obama!

                •  well (1+ / 0-)
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                  Asked by a Dayton Daily News reporter last week how much she would work for Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher if he wins and she loses, Brunner held up her hand and formed a zero.

                  Assuming your explanation to be true, there's a classy way to express this. She could have said soemthing along the lines of "It would be inappropriate for me, acting  in my position as the state's chief electiosn officail to become involved.." and what she is being reported and which, neither she nor her supporters have denied. Making a zero with your fingers tends to be a pretty dramatic statement, people do it for effect, not to make a bland statement about neutrality.

                  •  She said exactly that in the Cleveland Debate (1+ / 0-)
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                    when asked the same question.  And I'm sure she justified her response to the Dayton Daily News, but they just didn't include the justification.  For two reasons: including all of the facts wouldn't be sensationalist enough, and because the Dayton Daily News endorsed Fisher.

            •  no offense (1+ / 0-)
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              But i think the same can be asked of the Fisher people as well.  Seeing as how the Fisher people have spent the entire campaign trying to force Brunner out of the race and still to this day can not help themselves from telling lies.  As is typical though, all the Fisher folks ignore his anemic track record, now its all the fault of Brunner supporters.....at least we know who will be at fault if Lee comes up short in Nov.  because we all know that Lee is never to blame.  
              I cannot believe how many folks are crying like a bunch of babies because of a gesture.  Buck up, Lee's a big boy he should be able to take it.  

  •  44% of a vote is hardly insignificant. (2+ / 0-)
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    With three candidates, it becomes a landslide.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:53:30 AM PDT

  •  These diaries annoy me (4+ / 0-)
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    THese intra-party "apres moi le deluge" diaries are extremely annoying.  Fisher and Brunner are both democrats.  Both are going to be subject to larger forces.  They will both have a good chance to beat Portman.

    Unless intra-party self-destructiveness destroys them both.

    i dislike this diary. I lived in OH from 1983-1998.  

    I am a nativist, and that is a progressive position.

    by numberzguy on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:02:11 AM PDT

  •  OH dems won in 2006-2008 (3+ / 0-)
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    due to Republican incompetence, corruption, and the coin investment scandal.  Do not make the mistake, which appears to be being made, that OH is suddenly a massively blue state like IL (where an asshole named Kirk may be elected to Obama's senate seat).  Nope, OH is very centrist, and I don't see a left-sided candidate winning.

    Fisher is more electable.

    I am a nativist, and that is a progressive position.

    by numberzguy on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:06:22 AM PDT

  •  Fisher has paid his dues in Ohio. (1+ / 0-)
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    And my vote went for him.

    Three weeks ago.

    By mail....

    "SEMPER UBI SUB UBI...."

    by Hoosierdaddio on Mon May 03, 2010 at 10:38:34 AM PDT

  •  Well (0+ / 0-)

    In 1994, Fisher decided that he wanted to stick around as Attorney General and ran for re-election. After running what is generally regarded as one of the most negative campaigns in Ohio history, Fisher was defeated by Betty Montgomery by a hundred thousand votes. Not a landslide for Betty, by any means, but Fisher decided to take some time off, to hone his craft. Maybe he'd do better in his next run for office.

    And 1994 was one of the worst years for Democrats in decades. EVERY Democrat lost in OH. The Democrats lost EVERY statewide office. Fisher got dragged down in the landslide. 1994 isn't a fair comparison.

    No. Absolutely not. In 1998, Fisher ran for Governor. The results were not pretty. Lee ending up getting just 44% of votes. He won just 20 counties -- most notably, Fisher didn't even win Columbus/Franklin County. (For comparison, Jennifer in 2006 won 55% of the vote and won 52 counties) Very appropriately, Lee retired from public service. Never to run for public office again.

    And I think Fisher got 47% of the vote, not 44%. If I recall Bob Taft won with only 52% of the vote. And your point is also dishonest because EVERY Democrat lost statewide in OH in 1998. Back then the Democratic Party was in extremely pathetic shape in OH. Your point would be more relevant if the GOP didn't sweep the state in 1994, 1998, and 2002.

    The other point is that most of the recent statewide office holders in OH--John Glenn, Howard Metzenbaum, Bob Taft, Mike DeWine, George Voinovich, Richard Cordrway, Dick Celeste, Sherrod Brown, and other statewide candidates--lost one or more races before they finally won. OH seems to be a state where candidates have to lose once before they win.

    And frankly it looks like your candidate is going to lose. She's down by double digits. For whatever reason the voters in OH don't seem to want her.

  •  The most conservative media in Ohio are all (0+ / 0-)

    endorsing Fisher over Brunner. Not because they agree with his positions but because they know he is a much weaker candidate VS Portman than Brunner is.

    Lighting one candle in the darkness gets less attention than lighting one stick of dynamite.

    by OHdog on Mon May 03, 2010 at 11:27:18 AM PDT

  •  I find it strange (2+ / 0-)
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    how most of the people trying to cut down Brunner on DKos aren't from Ohio.

    Brunner is the better candidate. Period. And this is coming from someone who will be voting for her tomorrow.

    "The Bible's blind the Torah's deaf the Koran is Mute. If you burned them all together you'd get close to the truth." - Bright Eyes

    by prdrums77 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 12:19:39 PM PDT

    •  who gives a shit? (0+ / 0-)

      We aren't allowed to express our opinions since we aren't from Ohio? How many Lierbman bashers on here are not CT residents? This is from someone who hopes Brunner goes down in flames tomorrow.

      •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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        dwhite105

        At least people like you can't vote. You can be an asshole to me and all of the other supporters all you want, but at the end of the day you can't directly effect the will of Ohio voters.

        "The Bible's blind the Torah's deaf the Koran is Mute. If you burned them all together you'd get close to the truth." - Bright Eyes

        by prdrums77 on Mon May 03, 2010 at 04:34:59 PM PDT

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  •  Fisher: A boring, establishment Ohio Dem. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'll concede that Fisher would be better than Portman, but to me he represents the bad, out of power, perennial loser Ohio Democratic party.

    I've had to put up with 16 years of Republican dumbshits running this state because the ODP insisted on running boring, milquetoast candidates like Fisher. Ohio really needs leadership, and I just don't see the old crowd cutting it.  If Fisher wins tomorrow, I'll hold my nose and vote for him November, but the smart money will be on him getting squashed by Portman.

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