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USA Today's Dennis Cauchon:

Amid complaints about high taxes and calls for a smaller government, Americans paid their lowest level of taxes last year since Harry Truman's presidency, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data found.

Some conservative political movements such as the "Tea Party" have criticized federal spending as being out of control. While spending is up, taxes have fallen to exceptionally low levels.

Federal, state and local taxes — including income, property, sales and other taxes — consumed 9.2% of all personal income in 2009, the lowest rate since 1950, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports. That rate is far below the historic average of 12% for the last half-century. The overall tax burden hit bottom in December at 8.8.% of income before rising slightly in the first three months of 2010.

Teabaggers will tell you that all they really care about is spending, but that's bull. They loved Bush precisely because he slashed their taxes. During his presidency, they got exactly what they wanted, and as a result we got stuck with an ineffective government and economic collapse. And now they are demanding a replay.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:56 AM PDT.

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  •   These people don't know whether (21+ / 0-)

    to wind their butts or scratch their watches.

    Our real adversaries are not each other

    by Vita Brevis on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:57:20 AM PDT

  •  kindergarden kids upset over milk & cookies.... (7+ / 0-)
    •  Look what Citizens for Tax Justice says (5+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      opinionated, gabriella, Nespolo, breathe67, DRo

      President Obama Cut Taxes for 98% of Working Families in 2009 pdf file

      According to a recent CBS News/New York Times poll, the vast majority of Americans do not
      perceive that they have received a tax cut from President Obama.
      Asked if the President "has already raised taxes this past year," 53 percent of those polled said that the President has
      "kept taxes the same," and 24 percent think that the President has "raised taxes." A mere 12 percent believe that the President has cut their taxes.1

      This is an astonishing level of misunderstanding. The truth is that the major tax cuts enacted in the 2009 economic stimulus bill actually reduced federal income taxes for tax year 2009 for 98 percent of all working families and individuals. These tax cuts saved working families and individuals an average of $1,158 on the tax returns they will file by April 15. (The median tax cut was approximately $600.)

      The stimulus bill included several tax cutting measures for individuals in tax year 2009:

      # The "Making Work Pay" tax credit gave most working

      people a $400 refundable tax credit. This credit is
      worth $800 to most working married couples. More
      than 94 percent of all working families and individuals received this tax cut.

      # Changes to the $1,000 per-child tax credit and the

      earned-income tax credit gave an average of $872 eachto 12 million, mostly low-income working families with children.

      # Relief from the Alternative Minimum Tax for 2009

      reduced taxes for 25 million mostly upper-income
      couples and individuals.

      # A new, partially refundable education credit was also enacted for 2009.

      One reason why the public may not realize that the
      President has cut their 2009 taxes is that the tax cut that affected the most people — the "Making Work Pay" credit — was dribbled out gradually in reduced tax withholding on wages.

      "These old Wall Street boys are putting up an awful fight to keep the government from putting a cop on their corner." - Will Rogers

      by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:10:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The reason for this (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Ky DEM, Lefty Coaster, sabishi, Apost8

        just might be the crap that they are hearing.  I have in front of me a campaign brochure sent to the entire voting population in the district of John Cuberson of Texas.  It's enough to make your head spin! I would show you but I don't have it scanned.  In Large Bold letters, the Cover page says LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN U.S. HISTORY, and inside a lot of bull^%$& (3 pages full) saying how Obama has raised taxes.

        This crap is sen through the mail at our expense!

      •  That was a mistake, IMHO (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Lefty Coaster

        it would have been better to NOT change the withholding tables, and let people get more back at the end of the year.

        Most people don't think about their taxes until they file them. Give them more back than they got last year, and they think taxes went down - even if they didn't.

        Besides, it's not the federal tax burden that pisses people off. It's the sales tax, the property tax, the increase in vehicle registrations, transfer taxes, state income taxes, local income taxes, etc., that makes them mad. They see those every day. Most people don't even think about federal taxes until they file them.

  •  That's pretty remarkable when you consider that (8+ / 0-)

    Social Security and Medicare alone are 15.3% for most of us.

    What is behind these low numbers?
    Is it because so many of us are out of work that family incomes have dropped us down into lower brackets?

    That's certainly the case in my household.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:58:27 AM PDT

    •  That can't be right (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Debby, Sherri in TX, dinotrac

      The percentage you gave would be for a self-employed person paying the entire cost of Social Security and Medicare.

      I would imagine that more people pay half that- 7.65% and their employers pay the other 7.65%.

      ======

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      http://pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

      Watch it, send it along to all you know.

      by oxfdblue on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:05:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ah -- the numbers don't include that. (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Roadbed Guy, Greasy Grant, oxfdblue

        It's my habit to give the full tax, as the only difference is whether the other half shows up on your paycheck.

        But official figures would go along with the fiction, of course.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:10:36 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  A more accurate measure is probably (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          drewfromct, Greasy Grant, dinotrac, DRo

          from the "Tax Freedom Day" folk who calculate that this day was April 9 this year, or 99 days into the year.  Basically, that means that an aggregate of federal, state, & local taxes consumed 26.9% of income of the average person.

          That seems reasonable compared to the bullshit numbers given in this diary.  

          •  If you're calculating what you pay, (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            tmo, Roadbed Guy, sabishi

            but not what you get (paved roads, public schools, the U.S. military, etc.), you're not getting the full picture.

            Barack Obama in the Oval Office: There's a black man who knows his place.

            by Greasy Grant on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:18:42 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  It all depends (4+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            mmacdDE, Roadbed Guy, sabishi, dinotrac

            on how you use the word "Average". Remember the adage about how if you and five working class buddies were standing around having a beer, and suddenly Bill Gates enters the room--at that moment the "average" wealth in the room would go up exponentially.

            The very rich pay something almost like a fair percent of their income in Federal taxes, which are still somewhat progressive, but what they pay for the flatter, more regressive state and local taxes are tiny and insignificant percentage of their gargantuan incomes. Remember that sales and consumption taxes eat up a much higher share of poor folks' income simply by dint of the fact that they have to spend a much higher proportion of their income just to buy the basics. The rich can also easily dodge sales taxes by making purchases through businesses that they own or control.

            The bottom line is, the poorer you are, the higher percentage of your income goes to taxes, unless you are some kind of a squatter who never pays rent, and gets food from dumpsters instead of buying it.

            Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

            by drewfromct on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:27:54 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  I come up with 14.21% as the FICA rate (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          dinotrac

          when calculated this way... but still significantly higher than the personal tax rate cited in the diary.  Corporate taxes that are passed along to employees (in the form of lower wages) / consumers / someone else weren't included.

          Barack Obama in the Oval Office: There's a black man who knows his place.

          by Greasy Grant on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:17:00 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  That's an interesting number. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Greasy Grant

            The official social security rate is 6.2% each, or 12.4% total, with an official 1.45% each, or 2.9% total for Medicare.

            Any chance you fat-fingered a digit?

            Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

            by dinotrac on Tue May 11, 2010 at 01:48:03 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Uhhh... no. (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              dinotrac, Trotskyrepublican

              Let's say your salary is $1,000.00/wk.  You contribute 7.65% = $76.50 towards FICA, and your employer also contributes 7.65%, or $76.50.  A total of $153.00 gets contributed.  Your net pay, before deducting other types of tax, is $923.50.

              If you think of the employer's portion as really a cost to the employee, because the employer will reduce your wages to make up for its FICA contribution, the pre-tax wage comes to $1,076.50.  Another way to put it is that if you canceled FICA and gave it all back to the employee (you), you'd get $923.50 + $153.00 = $1,076.50.  The actual FICA rate, therefore is $153.00 / $1,076.50 = 14.21%.

              Barack Obama in the Oval Office: There's a black man who knows his place.

              by Greasy Grant on Tue May 11, 2010 at 02:10:25 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

    •  Also, the taxes have become much more (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      drewfromct, dinotrac, DRo, graessrj

      regressive so even though the overall tax burden is the lowest in about 60 years, the demographic that the average tea partyer is in sure isn't paying the lowest taxes in 60 years (I am sure there is some irony buried in there someplace).

      Plus much of today's "low" taxes is being dumped on our children & grandchildren  . . . ..  hardly something to crow about IMHO.

  •  One reason why we have a deficit! (14+ / 0-)

    The ridiculous Bush tax cuts.  When exactly is the Congress going to overturn them?

    I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

    by noofsh on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:58:43 AM PDT

  •  When someone tells me their taxes are going up (11+ / 0-)

    I say "Congrats!  You must have gotten a sizable raise at work!"

    I am proud to live in a nation that hasn't practiced torture since 1/20/2009 - I just wish this alone didn't justify celebrating.

    by RethinkEverything on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:58:56 AM PDT

    •  Yup, had this argument with a former boss (3+ / 0-)

      Him:  "My taxes went up!!!"

      Me: Congratulations, you fall within the top 1.5% of household incomes. Now, are you really going to bitch about paying a little extra in taxes when people are losing their homes and having trouble making ends meet?

      Him: Crickets.

      "Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight." - Albert Schweitzer

      by Apost8 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:38:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bush Slashed LIBERTARIANS' Taxes (4+ / 0-)

    because they're the higher income wing of the movement. I'm guessing the fundy wing didn't get almost any of the cuts Bush passed.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:59:05 AM PDT

    •  probably they got about 100 dollars (0+ / 0-)

      That was his first tax cut.  Really not much to talk about when the upper brackets got cuts that amount to millions.

      I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

      by noofsh on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:28:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  So since they're concerned about the debt... (7+ / 0-)

    ... and taxes are the lowest since Truman, I'm sure they'll call for the government to raise taxes to help pay down the debt.

    Right?

  •  Definition of insanity: (3+ / 0-)

    Repeating the same process and expecting a different outcome.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:59:54 AM PDT

    •  Unless you're dealing with the IBM RAD (0+ / 0-)

      software I use at work where you can do the exact same thing 10 different times, get 10 different results, not one of them correct.

      Economics: The science of explaining tomorrow why the predictions you made yesterday didn't come true today

      by yg17 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:25:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •   Teabaggers require (3+ / 0-)

    Fox News to report it so they can decide, which will never happen.  They are taxed enough already, damn it!

    Shove some healthcare down our throats, please!

    by Ann T Bush on Tue May 11, 2010 at 08:59:56 AM PDT

    •  Fox News has to stay in line, too. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Ann T Bush

      I ran across a Facebook thread where some people were whining about Nashville's flood, "Why doesn't the government ever help our own people?!" I knew I'd heard that the FEMA response in TN was exemplary so I went searching for a link for that and found one...at Fox News. Score! Then I read the comments. Basically, Fox had stepped outside the narrative and their viewers were having none of it. I didn't even bother taking it back to FB because, of course, our government only helps foreigners like Haiti and nobody ever helps us and there's no point in telling the wingers any different.

      There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

      by Debby on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:56:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  They are all brainwashed into thinking (7+ / 0-)

    the opposite is true.  Limbaugh says it over again over again, "You are paying more taxes" and now they believe it.  

  •  I'm sure they were out protesting (7+ / 0-)

    all the Bush increases in spending that wasn't paid for - $1 trillion+ Medicare prescription drug plan; $1 trillion or so for Iraq; $2 trillion of Bush tax cuts also added to the deficit.

    Ooops, I missed all those Teabagger protests of Bush.

    "I'm not a member of an organized political party - I'm a Democrat." Will Rogers

    by newjeffct on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:00:43 AM PDT

    •  They didn't love Bush (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      newjeffct, Debby

      They tolerated him because he's a Republican.  They thought he should have done more to slash taxes and eliminate (instead of create) gummint jobs.

      They just didn't start protesting until a Democrat was elected.  

      I think they would have protested any Democrat just as vociferously, but instead of racism there would have been threats of rape (Clinton), focus on sexual stuff (Edwards), and general cries of socialism and the end of the world as we know it (Biden).

      "Right wing freak machine" General Wes Clark

      by Tracker on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:14:18 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  A lot of Republicans/Freeper types (0+ / 0-)

        thought Bush's problem was that he was too liberal and too bipartisan.  And, he often did get more Democratic votes than Obama is getting Republic votes, as Dems don't always toe the party line.

        "I'm not a member of an organized political party - I'm a Democrat." Will Rogers

        by newjeffct on Tue May 11, 2010 at 10:33:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Most Democrats in Congres voted for those. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      tmo, newjeffct

      Just a gentle reminder that all is not sweetness and light ..

      How to fight the fascist right? Register people to vote.

      by shpilk on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:26:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  History of fiscal conservatism right here: (13+ / 0-)

     title=

    You may want "your country back," but you can't have it. - Charles Blow

    by blueyescryinintherain on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:00:47 AM PDT

  •  Teabaggers don't look like they're the top 3% (5+ / 0-)

    of income earners, the ones for whom the Bush "tax cuts" went further than the next tank of gas.

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:01:00 AM PDT

    •  Actually, Quite a Number of Them (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Inspector Javert

      aren't doing so bad financially. A Times article a few weeks ago indicated that the income of the average tea bagger is higher than the income of a "normal everyday" American worker. These people don't want to pay THEIR taxes; everyone else can pay their taxes & then some.

      "Let me start with the head up the butt logic question here." Keith Olbermann, 5.5.10

      by CityLightsLover on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:08:53 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I don't buy it (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Roadbed Guy, drewfromct

        If you're asked on a survey how much you make, you lie. Everybody lies. The only place they don't lie is on their tax forms.

        Most of them look to be retired, so unless they made a hell of a lot more than most, and socked a lot of it away, or made some really astute investment choices, they're far from rich.

        They might own their home now, and not have much other debt, but they're not RICH.

        And if they're that rich, taking away their Social Security checks shouldn't even faze them. After all, they want to balance the budget and reduce the deficit, right?

        •  Check Out the TIMES Article (0+ / 0-)

          I provided the link for.

          "Let me start with the head up the butt logic question here." Keith Olbermann, 5.5.10

          by CityLightsLover on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:17:51 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  That article is based ona POLL, which is exactly (0+ / 0-)

            what mmacDE is referring to.

            People lie their asses off in polls.  One that sticks in my craw had 18% of people reporting that they were in the top 1% of income and 40% in the top 5%.

            Maybe they weren't lying as much as just dramatically over-estimating how well off they were (you know, 'cuz they just got a giant screen TV on credit to watch NASCAR or something, who knows).

      •  I'd say a fair number of them (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mmacdDE, wishingwell, drewfromct

        look to be on Social Security and Medicare. Have to wonder how many of them get food stamps and unemployment benefits.

        They are just greedy, and will do or say anything to keep their own personal affairs on the plus side.

        Real 'Mrkns ..

        How to fight the fascist right? Register people to vote.

        by shpilk on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:22:52 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Link to the Article (0+ / 0-)

      here.

      "Let me start with the head up the butt logic question here." Keith Olbermann, 5.5.10

      by CityLightsLover on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:09:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  It's outrageous! We are being taxed to life! n/t (5+ / 0-)

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:01:24 AM PDT

  •  Teabaggers=goldbrickers (4+ / 0-)

    It's hard to respect a person who wants something for nothing.

  •  these anarchists don't wish to pay any taxes. (5+ / 0-)

    they are a group of social parasites.

    •  *facepalm* (0+ / 0-)

      Teabaggers aren't anarchists.

      Teabaggers tend to be racists; anarchists are anti-racist. Teabaggers tend to be pro-war; anarchists tend to be anti-war, although there are debates over pacifism, self-defense, and whether warfare can possibly have anything to do with liberation. Anarchists oppose hierarchy, and the teabaggers seem to support the established hierarchies.

      Comparing anarchism to teabaggerism is ... incorrect. It's like when those right-wing pundits try comparing liberalism to fascism.

      Free Alexandra Svoboda, and help stop police brutality!

      by Marja E on Tue May 11, 2010 at 03:07:31 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What ever you do (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    CityLightsLover, Vita Brevis

    don't read the comments over at USA Today attached to this column. It's just depressing.

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:02:29 AM PDT

  •  Yes, but it's still the blackest level of (4+ / 0-)

    presidency since...ever.  

    This isn't about taxes.  
    This isn't about defense/national security/terrorism.
    This isn't about the environment.

    This is the Tea Party, and the Republican party, and 234 years of tradition wiped out with one election.

    And any Republican who denies this is full of shit.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:04:10 AM PDT

  •  Ineffective government? (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, CityLightsLover

    I'm sure by their lights, the Bush government was awesomely effective, providing for lots of war profiteering, and outright pillaging of the national wealth and patrimony.  If you're a bounder on the make, how much more effective could government be?  However, the economic policies of the Bush administration were just an exceptionally vigorous form of Reaganism-Thatcherism, and the current administration's return to "orthodox Reaganism-Thatcherism" is unlikely to repair the damage and create a new basis for the future.

    We who have been nothing shall be all. This is the final struggle. ~E. Pottier

    by ActivistGuy on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:05:30 AM PDT

  •  party-pooper, with your factual evidence! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    terrypinder, CityLightsLover

    Facts are no fun, they get in the way of all the righteous indignation!

    And don't go telling them the founding fathers weren't theocrats, either!  You'll ruin their whole day!

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:05:52 AM PDT

  •  You know what the logical inference of this is? (4+ / 0-)

    That teabaggers don't pay any taxes and, hence, don't know this.

    Denial is complicity.

    by Publius2008 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:05:53 AM PDT

  •  On COUNTDOWN Last Week, I Think, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    88kathy, Front Toward Enemy

    someone asked tea baggers about what exact spending they wanted cut. The person ran off a number of programs like Social Security, Medicare, defense, etc. The respondents didn't want any of those programs cut! Indeed, they are full of $hit.

    "Let me start with the head up the butt logic question here." Keith Olbermann, 5.5.10

    by CityLightsLover on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:05:53 AM PDT

  •  They (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Front Toward Enemy

    won't let pesky facts get in the way of their thinking.

    http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

  •  Pardon my language, but this is just how I roll. (4+ / 0-)

    Fuck the Teabaggers. Fuck 'em in the ear. Fuck 'em in the other ear. And as far as that "replay"?  Fuck 'em on that, too.

  •  It's the same with social issues (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Predictor

    Teabaggers complain about money but it's social change (and equality) they resist, saying they don't want to pay for it.

    I used to be Snow White...but I drifted.

    by john07801 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:06:57 AM PDT

  •  Come on... the Tea Baggers are right (0+ / 0-)

    We all pay 12378356% of income to taxes.

    Didn't you see that in your paycheck.

    ======

    "Sick Around the World"

    http://pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/

    Watch it, send it along to all you know.

    by oxfdblue on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:07:00 AM PDT

  •  That's why we call them teabaggers (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:07:21 AM PDT

  •  I've been pointing this out to people (0+ / 0-)

    until I'm blue in the face...

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson

    by SNFinVA on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:07:38 AM PDT

  •  They don't care about spending either. (0+ / 0-)

    A 3rd of the stimulus they are complaining about was tax cuts.

    And they certainly didn't and don't care about the massive costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

  •  Teabaggers also apparently love (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Noamjunior
    increased sales taxes.  In AZ Jan Brewer and her bagger allies are pushing an increase in the sales tax, because they know it is the most regressive tax (well, second most regressive after Social Security taxes - which right wingers also love to raise on lower income people).  News stories about this in the MSM did not once mention the irony that antitaxers like Brewer and her bagger supporters had no answer when asked why it is OK to raise sales taxes.
  •  ignorance + Anger + G-Beck (0+ / 0-)
  •  Bush put IRaq on his chineese credit card (0+ / 0-)

    but they are mad at obama for cutting their taxes

  •  *Hint* (0+ / 0-)

    It's because he is black.

    To the WH: "It's your job to f*ck-up power; it's Fox's job to f*ck-up truth.' - Jon Stewart

    by RichM on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:13:11 AM PDT

  •  While the Teahadists are idiots (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Sherri in TX, Apost8

    Cutting taxes while increasing spending is a formula for disaster. We rightfully ripped Bush a new one for doing this. The stupidity of the Tea Party is no excuse for letting Obama slide on fiscal irresponsibility.

    The Tea Party: Want to take our country back. Sane Americans: Want to take our country forward.

    by jhecht on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:15:21 AM PDT

  •  The conservatives have done an excellent job (1+ / 0-)
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    of equating taxes with murder. Someone who says that raising taxes may be necessary (and it's crucial), can never be elected now. I don't know the way out of this.

    California is collapsing now because you can't even mention raising property taxes.

  •  Time to hammer the point (2+ / 0-)
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    Federal, state and local taxes — including income, property, sales and other taxes — consumed 9.2% of all personal income in 2009, the lowest rate since 1950, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports.

    of how regressive these taxes are. How many of us pay more than 9.2% of their income in state, federal, and local taxes? I know that I sure as hell do!

    Wingers are always quick to try and show that the rich are overtaxed, but it simply isn't so. Only the income tax is progressive, and 35% is a far cry from the 90% marginal rates of the Eisenhower era.

    This diary should be retitled something like "Teabaggers love massively regressive tax structure". Taxes aren't really low at all, unless you're rich enough to be able to pay lawyers and accountants to avoid them. For those of us who are stuck having to actually pay them, they're really quite burdensome.

    Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

    by drewfromct on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:17:31 AM PDT

    •  This diary is pure propaganda supported by... (0+ / 0-)

      ...either knowing liars or fools. I never had a working year where I didn't pay more than thirty percent of my income in State and federal income taxes alone. That's before the sales and hidden taxes at every level was computed. The diary is an insult to the intelligence of every reader who has a VERY different experience with taxes.

      The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

      by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:35:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  This quote (0+ / 0-)

        ..."all personal income "...

        is poorly written at best, and deliberately misleading at worst. What I take it to mean is that, when you ad up the income of everybdy--that's you, me, and the Bill Gates crowd--, and then divvy up the taxes we all pay, it comes out to 9.2%. They leave it to us to point out that the less money you have, the higher the percentage of your income is that goes to regressive taxes such as sales and property taxes.

        Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

        by drewfromct on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:45:54 AM PDT

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        •  Averages? (1+ / 0-)
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          Well, "all personal income" also includes that guy who makes a multi-million dollar salary, and pays no tax on it. Those people throw off the figures horribly. I'd be willing to bet if the statistic was adjusted for just people who make, say, less than 100k per year, that it would be significantly higher than 9%. Pulling a figure out of my ass, but it'd probably be more somewhere in line with 20-30%.

          •  Try slightly over 50% in ALL taxes (0+ / 0-)

            The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

            by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 10:12:51 AM PDT

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            •  I think (0+ / 0-)

              that you still don't get it. The point is that the entire amount of taxes paid by everyone combined allegedly adds up to 9.2% of all the income of every American combined. Now, as for individuals, I'm sure that there are some very, very rich people who's entire tax burden is well below 9%, while there are probably very many middle class or even poor folks who pay well over 50% of their income in taxes when you include property taxes, sales taxes, and various and sundry things like license fees, tolls, and the like.

              The point of the diary is supposed to be that taxes are relatively low, but I agree that it does a horrendous job. The point should e that the rich are massively undertaxed, while the middle class and poor are overtaxed to the breaking point.

              Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

              by drewfromct on Tue May 11, 2010 at 10:25:31 AM PDT

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              •  I'm sure it is you who does not get it. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm sure it is you who does not get it.

                I know I get it and have explained it well.

                Taxes are not low for 90% of we Americans; for us ALL taxes are at all time highs.

                All that posted  figure shows is how much wealth in the hands way too few and is not taxed anywhere as heavily as we are collectively.

                You can bet Obama will not tax the uber rich anymore than Shrub did...he and both the Republican and Democrat politicos will try and find some way to soak the majority of us with only about five percent of the country's wealth to try and solve the economic crisis.

                He will not touch the uber riche’s wealth even though they brought on this crisis by controlling government with media and campaign financing (bribes legal and illegal) and thus the domestic and foreign policies that cause the greatest shift of wealth (from about 1984 till now) in our history and crashed the economy.

                I don't like to see any diary that suggests we are under taxed (the vast majority of us that is) or at an all time low in taxes. It is a distortion that amounts to a lie that serves the Oligarchy running both parties and their past, continuing and future rape of the economy.

                The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

                by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 06:23:10 PM PDT

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  •  Well, Jed, many teabaggers DO care about spending (0+ / 0-)

    but they also want to make sure they get their piece of the action.  It's the "NIMBY" phenomenon (and by the way, get the government out of my Medicare!).

    Here's what we don't have - what we don't have is a realistic plan from the Tea Party about WHAT would be cut, how the cuts would be offset, and why they want to cut spending when it would actually push the economy further into recession.

    Full Disclosure: I am not Ben Leming. But I think he's pretty cool.

    by Benintn on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:17:32 AM PDT

  •  Norquist knew that appealing to greed was (1+ / 0-)
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    the primary way to keep this party going.

    Buchanan, Atwater, Rove delved into the racial, ethnic, gender/sexual identity aspects.

    Have to hand it to Republicans. They have created a political Party that stands for absolutely nothing except greed, racism, sexism and xenophobia. They've done a bang up job of taking over the media, filling with their lies and instilling fear and loathing as the primary motivators for the their supporters to consume.  

    It's been extremely effective.
    They've got the megaphone.

    We haven't found a serious way to counter it. I have been talking with brain dead moronic idiots who believe the lies all day at work; 20 years ago, they were quoting Limbaugh's attacks on 'FemiNazis' and that filthy pigs joke about "abortion on demand with a gun pointed at the womb" like it was some sort of realistic portrayal they could laugh at and identify with.

    A whole generation of hate has been injected into the body politic and one can still get these damn fools to believe nearly anything.

    The outright lies about taxes and taxation and more importantly, the lies about where taxpayer money is being spent are subjects you cannot discuss with these people who have had their intellect shut off.

    How to fight the fascist right? Register people to vote.

    by shpilk on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:18:40 AM PDT

  •  teabaggers are led by the nose (1+ / 0-)
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    of the wealthiest investor class and corporate agendites in this country.

    their lack of protest on wall street proved it.  They are now a mouthpiece of the wealthiest 1%.

    All liberal values can be summed into a single issue: The dismantling of the American Middle Class. Publicly Funded U.S. Politics NOW!!!

    by innereye on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:19:43 AM PDT

    •  The same wealthiest class that... (0+ / 0-)

      ...makes up our ruling oligarchy and run the government and want us to believe we paid only 9.2 percent in all taxes last year? It seems one hell of a lot of people are led by the nose!

      The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

      by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:39:44 AM PDT

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      •  It's the distribution of taxation that you (0+ / 0-)

        are complaining about. Warren Buffet has a lower tax rate than his secretarial assistants working for him do.

        The 9.2% sounds quite accurate as the total tax rate: but the wealthy don't pay anywhere near that - they have all sorts of ways to defer their income, use tax shelters, invest in the 'tax free' instruments that Congress has made for them over many decades of the rich making the laws.

        Most wealthy people do NOT use W2s to report their income on a wage report. I'd bet most of their income is reported on 1099 forms, where it's easy to use the instruments made by the rich to protect the rich.

        The poor and working classes in this country have much higher tax rates than the rich. Worse of course, is that their tax rate as a percentage of their disposable income is astronomically higher.  

        How to fight the fascist right? Register people to vote.

        by shpilk on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:47:26 AM PDT

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        •  I'm complaining about the deliberate distortion.. (0+ / 0-)

          ... of reality by this diary. I am sure the averaged figure is correct or nearly so, but the shift of wealth in this country since 1980 makes that figure absurd for 95 % of Americans and so it is little more than damnable propagandistic lie.

          The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

          by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:57:43 AM PDT

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          •  you want reality??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE REALITY!!! (0+ / 0-)

            When a social movement adopts the compromises of its legislators, it has forgotten its role, which is to push and challenge the politicians, not to fall in meekly behind them. The mantra "the best that we can get" is a recipe for corruption. We are not politicians, but citizens. We have no office to hold on to, only our consciences.

            - Howard Zinn (1922-2010)
            writing in The Progressive, May 2007

             title=

            All liberal values can be summed into a single issue: The dismantling of the American Middle Class. Publicly Funded U.S. Politics NOW!!!

            by innereye on Tue May 11, 2010 at 11:43:30 AM PDT

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  •  Don't confuse them with the facts. (0+ / 0-)

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:19:48 AM PDT

    •  Im not a tea party person but I am also (0+ / 0-)

      ...not confused by the lies in this diary. Talk about playing fast and loose with the truth. Pathetic!

      The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

      by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:41:18 AM PDT

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  •  If they want balanced budgets (0+ / 0-)

    they should support both higher taxes and lower spending.

    Of course as long as we dump most of our money on war, we'll keep destroying domestic programs, much to tea partiers' delight I'm sure.  Funny how they don't protest the biggest financial drain in American history though.

  •  Tea baggers (0+ / 0-)

    The Tea Baggers want to pay no taxes

    there are elements of society they want to 'expunge'

    African Americans; Latino's, Gays, intellectuals, etc--- and those not 'lucky' enough' to make it in American Laissez fair gilded age roaring 20s psychology.

  •  Could the low tax rates be a reflection of (0+ / 0-)
    many people out of work, or working jobs well below their education/experience levels?

    You know, lots of people falling into a lower tax/tax free income level due to the economic collapse?

    USA Yesterday references "rates" of taxes as a % of income, not as tax brackets falling.

    Capitalism thrives on raising funds on assets that have no value.

    by A Runner on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:23:34 AM PDT

  •  Whatev ... (0+ / 0-)

    If the teabaggers would spend a little less time bellyaching about their taxes and take advantage of all the tax credits Obama has made available for improving energy efficiency, etc., they'd have even more cash on hand to donate to their favorite wingnut candidates. On the other hand ... never mind. Let them complain.

  •  I don't think that's quite right: (2+ / 0-)
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    "They loved Bush precisely because he slashed their taxes"?
    He slashed somebody's taxes, but not mine, nor theirs, for the most part.

  •  And Democrats promise tax cuts too. (0+ / 0-)

    Not much different really. Obama talks about "tax cuts for the middle class" not how we need to raise taxes, balance budget, pay down debt, keep SS benefits, increase Medicare benefits.

    Obama is planning big cuts in Social Security vs. just saying "No more cuts in Social Security benefits. Social Security taxes are going up to pay for benefits and they are going up on top income earners who borrowed the $3T from SS and left us stuck with bill".

    He doesn't need a commission for that, he does need one for the weasel cutting SS benefits he plans.

    With tax cuts for all...is how he'll sell it.

    Is that really any different than tea baggery?

    •  What Obama isn't doing is raising the taxes (4+ / 0-)
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      on the top 5%. All he is doing is letting the Bush tax cuts expire. It's almost meaningless. So the top tier goes from 35% to 39%. The top tier shouldn't be at $350K/yr, it should be at $10M/yr or higher, and it should be 70%, or higher. It should include not only W2 wages, but income from speculation, dividends and interest.

      There should be a increasing tax burden as income goes up, from any source. But that's not the way the tax system is written.

      I believe that that families who make over $100K a year could afford to pay a little more into the system; up until recently, I fit that profile. I could have afforded to pay an extra $300 or $500 in, easily then.

      Now? Not so much.

      How to fight the fascist right? Register people to vote.

      by shpilk on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:34:30 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What Obama isn't doing is being honest (0+ / 0-)

        Anymore than the crazy tea baggers as far as taxes.  Obama is promising tax cuts.  With a $2T deficit and $14T in debt, no responsible government leader can honestly propose tax cuts.

        People in tea bag homes should not be tossing cups at the neighbors tea bag home.

  •  Someone needs to say two things over and over: (1+ / 0-)
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    we need government and paying for it is part of being a responsible citizen. The fiscal restraint types argue that we don't need government, that it is our enemy and by implication that no one should pay for it. They are wrong. We need government and we need regulation: in the financial sector and energy production and every other industry that can create environmental problems and we need government directly in the business of job creation, in the creation and repair of infrastructure and parks, in health, social insurance and education and in funding for the arts. We should say all this out loud over and over again. I for one think that those things are among the very best uses of my money.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:26:43 AM PDT

  •  That... (0+ / 0-)

    Federal, state and local taxes — including income, property, sales and other taxes — consumed 9.2% of all personal income in 2009, the lowest rate since 1950, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports.

    ...is a lie

    What percentage of your income did you pay in income taxes alone last year.? Most working class Americans pay fifty percent or higher in ALL taxes FICA, local taxes, hidden taxes at all levels(gasoline, phone taxes cable taxes, etc...hell there are 10 to 15 taxes on a loaf of bread from seed to table)) at every level.  

    The Bureau of Economic Analysis must have averaged the income taxes of the 2% uber rich have  into that figure with the taxes of middle class working Americans to come up with that ridiculous figure. In fact the lower your  income the higher percent of your disposable income you pay under our tax system that lets the folks with 90% of the money escape with even a smaller percent of their wealth taxed than the 9.2 % cited by that misleading Bureau of Economic Analysis "study." It Looks to me like the Oligarchy is getting ready to stiff working class American again. Lying bastards!

    The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

    by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:28:14 AM PDT

    •  True: the poor and working classes (3+ / 0-)
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      pay disproportionately into the system at the local and State levels, and the abomination of a national VAT tax is the wet dream of the wingers, shifting even more of a tax burden on those who can least afford it.

      The rich get away with economic murder; their top tax rate is under 40% and they have expensive lawyers they hire to whittle that down to almost zero.

      We need a simplified tax code, with a progressive scale. All income should be taxed, not just wages and it should include profits, gains from speculation, interest, dividends, inheritances all taxed at that progressive scale.

      The Form 1040 should be about 20 pages from front to back.  

      How to fight the fascist right? Register people to vote.

      by shpilk on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:39:46 AM PDT

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      •  It should be (0+ / 0-)

        2 pages.

        first page - name/address/income from all sources.
        One standard deduction for everybody - and it should be pretty high (20-30k single, 30-40k or more family).

        Then there's a housing adjustment, based on where you live. So if you live in NYC, you get a housing adjustment because that's just such a crazily expensive place to live. There are plenty of tables to be able to calculate that, and it can be by zip code.

        Take the result. Times it by .15. That's what you pay.

        I don't care where your income is from, I don't care how much it is, I don't care what other expenses you had.

        Easy. Doesn't even need fancy software. Won't take 3+ hours, or collecting every receipt you had.

  •  Teabaggers don't need facts, lowest taxes my a$$ (1+ / 0-)
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    The teabaggers are the I’ve got mine crowd joined with the too stupid to know Medicaid and Social Security are government programs crowd, all they know is that the Dems are in the Whitehouse so their world is upside-down, and they are told that every day by fox news tells them so. So they don't cares what the facts are.

    We all don't start at zero

    by BeeClone on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:33:57 AM PDT

  •  Conversational stopper (2+ / 0-)
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    A few weeks ago while my ultra right-wing brother-in-law was ranting about the high taxing liberals, I told him that in the 1950s, the tax rate on the high income brackets was in the ninety percentiles. He didn't believe me so he went to look it up and found the highest rate to be 94%. He was quiet for awhile after that.

  •  Bush didn't really slash the taxes of.... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...teabaggers much at all.  Bush slashed the taxes of the wealthy and über-wealthy; neither of whom waste their time being teabaggers themselves.  After all, why protest personally, when you can convince some useful idiots to protest for you.

  •  I am appalled that a diary that distorts... (0+ / 0-)

    ...what working class Americans pay in taxes is allowed on a site that purports to be a Democrat site.

    Appalled!

    Do we allow blatant lies that only serve Republicanism on this site Kos?

    The young man who has not wept is a savage, and the old man who will not laugh is a fool. George Santayana

    by Bobjack23 on Tue May 11, 2010 at 09:50:58 AM PDT

  •  Not wanting to pay taxes is not a movement (0+ / 0-)

    It's just bitching, akin to protesting getting old.

    In both cases, my response is,

    "Shit, be glad you have the ability."

    "One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity nothing beats teamwork." - Mark Twain

    by greendem on Tue May 11, 2010 at 10:07:53 AM PDT

  •  those numbers (1+ / 0-)
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    look suspicious to me.

    While I agree with the basic premise of the article, the 9.2% number is suspect.  I know that taxes still make up at least 30% of my income, adn wonder if corporations and the uber-rich not being taxed at all skew the figures.

    My life is an open book, and I want a rewrite!

    by trumpeter on Tue May 11, 2010 at 10:16:42 AM PDT

  •  Does this figure include FICA Taxes?? (0+ / 0-)

    The FICA taxes (Social Security and Medicare) add up to 9.1% by themselves.  SS rate is 7.65 on the first $106,800 of salaries and Medicare is 1.45 of ALL salaries.

    Either the 9.2% quoted above does NOT include FICA taxes or there is an enormous amount of NON-EARNED income being included in the calculation or an enormous amount of individual EARNED INCOME above the $106,800 threshold.

    •  they count social security as insurance, (0+ / 0-)

      not a tax according to the article, towards the bottom. Makes no sense to me.

      The BEA classifies Social Security taxes as insurance payments and excludes them from the tax calculation.

    •  BEA Treats as Ins. USA Today Treats as Tax (0+ / 0-)

      at least on their interactive that allows you to plug in an income and see what the effective federal tax rate would be for that income (very roughly speaking).  

      If you select the "show how this tax bill was caclulated" it includes both Soc Sec and Medicare.

      http://www.usatoday.com/...

      It's 'redistribution' whether it happens before or after the money is made and whether it goes up to a small group or down to a larger one.

      by Into The Woods on Tue May 11, 2010 at 01:40:41 PM PDT

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  •  It's really quite simple (0+ / 0-)

    Look, if you don't want to pay taxes, then what you want is a handout.

    I don't see what's so hard about this.

  •  Tea Partiers now focus on 50% who don't pay taxes (0+ / 0-)

    Tea partiers will claim that Obama lowered taxes for everybody but them.  They're especially ticked off at low income folks who don't pay income taxes.  They ignore payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc. because they get in the way of their aggrievement story.

    •  Even in "progressive" Minnesota Other Taxes = 80% (0+ / 0-)

      for the second and third lowest categories of income (based on 10% blocks.)

      This comes from a state analysis of the impact of state and local taxes.  

      For the bottom 60% the sum of state sales tax, nonresidential property tax, and "all other taxes" accounts for more than half of the overall tax burden.

      If your state does a Tax Incidence Study, you may have the same analysis somewhere on the internets.  

      "Figure 2-3 clearly demonstrates the importance of the progressive income tax in offsetting most of the regressivity of other taxes. Note that the sum of state sales tax, nonresidential property tax, and "all other taxes" accounts for more than half of the overall tax burden for those in the first six deciles. The sum accounts for more than 80 percent of the overall tax burden in deciles 2 and 3. The residential property tax burden (after PTR) is noticeably less regressive than the sales tax or "all other taxes," mostly because of the property tax refunds. In their absence, the Suits index for  residential property taxes would be -0.211 – more regressive than either the sales tax or nonresidential property taxes."

      http://www.taxes.state.mn.us/...

      It's 'redistribution' whether it happens before or after the money is made and whether it goes up to a small group or down to a larger one.

      by Into The Woods on Tue May 11, 2010 at 01:47:12 PM PDT

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  •  The "SOMETHING FOR NOTHING" Tea Party attracts... (0+ / 0-)

    The Tea Party attracts birthers, deathers, racist, cult-religious and/or secessionist militia members, John Birchers, skinheads, anarchists posing as constitutionalists, Oath Keepers, xenophobes, gun nuts, closeted Evangelical homosexuals, anarchists, tax-evaders, neofascist corporatists, hedge fund and derivatives stockbrokers, and every other neo-conservative screwball for a reason. Even their name is a misnomer. There's absolutely no historical analogy with either Boston Harbor or Revolutionary patriots.

    Their movement is being manipulated by former Rep. Dick Armey & the billionaire Koch family for their own financial gain. FreedomWorks that astroturfed them to battle any government regulation on behalf of the insurance, banking and oil industries are still financing their local, regional and national campaigning activities.

    Read your 20th century American political science history lately? In the aftermath of the Korean War, it was discovered that sheltered, unquestioning, Bible thumping rubes were most likely to be brainwashed by the North Korean political propaganda, and reacting to it in absurd ways. That's a teabag profile. Naive, uninformed and easily manipulated. They want everyone to think they're more educated and smarter than most of us, but it seems like these heavily-opinionated people that judge the world in absolute terms can't think for themselves.

    And do you know what the Tea Party is called by some Republican moderates that are afraid to say it out loud?  Tea Party is promoted and organized by paid ideologues that are xenophobic, financially-secure, tax-evading, middle-aged, rural, upscale, male, open-carry-firearms-promoting, christian fundamentalists that try to convince their grassroots membership that they can get, "SOMETHING FOR NOTHING."

    ...Well, actually they ARE willing to spring for the cost of ammo.  At a Tea Party Rally they were carrying signs like, "WE VOTE WITH BULLETS," competing for attention with the guys waving the signs depicting the President as a villainous monster, and another sign with sniper's crosshairs...

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