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I first got home internet access when George Bush was President.  And one of the things that amazed me were all the sites where Republicans just gushed over him.  How wonderful he was, how glad they were that he was president, how fortunate that "Sore/Loserman" lost in the Supreme Court.

But I quickly discovered Democratic web sites where there were people who saw the wrongs of the Bush administration and were not afraid to say so.  And I discovered Daily Kos and found a political community here where there was sharp analysis and breaking news and comedy and all kinds of balm to get me through the Bush years.  I looked forward to coming here every day for the sense of community.  We were in this together--"this" being trying to take back the White House and elect more and better Democrats to Congress and other offices as well.

In spite of how horrible the primary wars were, I still believed that when Obama was elected that this place would be a left-wing haven for me as the right-wingers had their havens for the last eight years.

OK, OK, I know now that I was being ridiculously naive.

It didn't take long for me to realize that there would be no victory lap here, but I have been stunned by the vitriol that gets poured out on BWD and anyone else who wants to be happy about having a Democrat back in the White House.  I have been amazed at the intensity of insults thrown at anyone who wants to focus for a while on the good that Obama has done instead of focusing on all the problems he has not been able to solve.

It's like a parody of everything that is fractious and self-defeating on the left.  Say anything positive about the President, anything, and a predictable chorus of "but he hasn't done enough about THIS" and "he's been a total failure at THAT" and "you're an O-BOT" and "he has completely neglected the issue that is most important to ME" and "he's as bad as BUSH" cascades down all around.  Instead of pouring victory champagne all over each other, we are raining on our own parade.

This isn't much of a diary or much of a rant--I guess I don't have rant in me today.  And this is definitely not a GBCW.  I just feel a deep sense of disappointment with the tone of the attacks on the President from people who voted for him, people who call themselves Democrats, and people I have admired on this blog for a long time.  People who apparently are so unhappy with Obama that they think he deserves to lose in 2012.

I had to sit through eight fcuking years of Republicans praising their fool pResident who had no qualifications, no accomplishments, started two wars and almost destroyed the entire world economy!  And those folks STILL have places they can go to celebrate their do-nothing know-nothing president, or to celebrate Saint Ronnie, or to call Obama the antiChrist.

Meanwhile those who want to celebrate the president have even been denied our own sub-community in the BWD diaries.  No one goes into the GUS diaries to deliberately talk about how wonderful smoking is or make fun of people who can't quit smoking.  No one goes into the gardening diaries and says it is a waste of time to talk about gardening when people are starving in Haiti.  Sometimes I read familiar names writing the same things I hear on hate radio. Sometimes I feel like I am reading Hillary is 44 (yes, they still exist).

No, it's not as bad as the primary wars, but it is just as disheartening, because I thought this place was, well, better than that.  I thought the primaries would end and we would unite around our candidate.  I thought that when the Democrat won that there would be jubilation here and backslapping and gleeful preparations to build on that victory with more victories.

In short, I thought this would be a place to share strategy for staying in power, rather than a gathering place for "this isn't good enough so I'd rather kick him out and start over."  Once again the perfect is the enemy of the good.  No one who is liberal enough to suit me on every issue could get elected in this country!  If there is a perfect progressive candidate out there with the right positions on all the issues who can get elected, please share his/her name with the rest of the class!

I know that if anybody reads this diary it will draw the haters like a magnet.  I'm not even going to bother to put on the proverbial asbestos jumpsuit for the flames.  Flame away.  Call me an Obamabot.  I've heard worse.

I'm just so fcuking happy every single day that I wake up and realize that John McCain is not the President of the United States and Sarah Palin is not the Vice President and the Democrats have majorities in the House and the Senate!  I wish there were a blog somewhere where I could be happy about that with other people!  I wish there were even a diary series here where other Obama supporters could talk about how grateful we are that someone with intelligence and compassion and an analytical mind is in the White House handling all these domestic and foreign policy catastrophes--someone who is actually paying attention to something other than what talking points should be distributed to Fakes News!  I wish there could be a single diary posted with positive presidential news that did not suddenly find itself crawling with detractors flinging insults at the diarist, the President, and anyone who supports him.

Does anyone understand why things got to be like this?  Can anyone explain it to me?  Is this happening on other sites too?  Does SOTILOTM bring out the poo flingers on ALL the Democratic websites?

I'm too addicted to GBCW.  I love Big Orange.  I've been coming here every day for so many years that I would go into withdrawal if I tried to kick the habit.  At the same time, if there were a place where I could go and celebrate my president, I know I would love to spend time there.  For the first in my political life I am proud to speak of "My President", and the place I thought I would get to enjoy sharing that sentiment is awash with people who would rather poke holes in any positive story and relentlessly, relentlessly, focus on the negative regardless of what the President does.  I thought that was Fakes News' job.  I thought that was hateradio's job.  I never, never expected to face it here.

Yeah, yeah, I already admitted above the jump that I realize how naive that was.

It's just not fair that my Republican friends got to be so gleeful for eight fcuking years with no justification at all, and I have ended up with no place to celebrate my President, whom I worked hard for and still identify with and believe in.

And I feel like a total idiot to think I ever could have celebrated My President here.

Originally posted to TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:30 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

    •  reality sites are not cheerleaders (9+ / 0-)

      I was also happy to see Obama in office, but his escalation of the endless Af-Pak war made me see that he was one more of the bi-partisan War Party that has run and ruined this country for years.

      The bush-loving sites were mostly idiots and astro-turf places, I'm glad that dKos is not like that.

      Some here have bought into the "big man theory" of history that says that Obama (or whoever is president) can wave his magic wand and fix everything, if only he will.  Reality is different, and messy.   Ixtoc took nine months to stop gushing, and it was only 160 feet down.

      Worst thing is that the RWCM is 99% full of republican shills, so we never see an honest discussion on the Tee Vee, and too many get their news and views only from that RWCM source.

      "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

      by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:34:52 PM PDT

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      •  During his campaign President, then candidate (8+ / 0-)

        Obama told you he felt the Afghanistan War was the war we should be fighting, and that Iraq was an illegitimate war that he would try to end as soon as possible without endangering the service people already there.

        Senator Obama also said he would take the War to Pakistan

         Link here for Pakistan war views

        There are 7,540,000 references to his views on war with Pakistan  on the Google. Views that he held and openly discussed prior to his election as President. How did you fail to know this before you voted? How is it his fault that you did not cast an informed vote?

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington...I'm asking you to believe in yours. - Barack Obama

        by Blogvirgin on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:05:32 PM PDT

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          •  so what? I expect more from Obama (0+ / 0-)

            Just because he made some stupid campaign promise to keep fighting, that doesn't mean he could not gather in NEW INFORMATION and end the madness!

            Obama had to talk tough to get elected over the legendary John McCain, I do hope he gets to a second term so he could actually do the right thing instead of worrying about each election.

            "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

            by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:14:54 PM PDT

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            •  I don't think you'll have to wait (4+ / 0-)

              for a second term.

              I am betting that we will be out of Iraq except for embassy troops by the end of 2011, as per the SOFA. I also think that we will be winding down our presence in Afghanistan by the end of 2011.

              That's just my opinion, but from what I have read, I think that is Obama's intention at this point.

              When it comes to Democrats, criticize, don't demonize. As for the GOP, I love Republicans--especially flame-broiled.

              by Dragon5616 on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:25:41 PM PDT

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              •  sure hope so (2+ / 0-)
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                cotterperson, Dragon5616

                Just read the Pat Tillman story, sure was a major screwup, then cheney-bush lied for months- what a bunch of criminals.

                We need to stop the endless war with EastAsia, it does nothing good for our country, just the bomb makers.

                "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

                by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:01:13 PM PDT

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                •  I agree. (4+ / 0-)

                  And I think the POTUS does too. I assume you would prefer an immediate withdrawal. The President obviously feels it will take a little more time. But I think you and he share the same goal. Argue your case, MD, but keep that in mind.

                  When it comes to Democrats, criticize, don't demonize. As for the GOP, I love Republicans--especially flame-broiled.

                  by Dragon5616 on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:04:23 PM PDT

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            •  So what? Your response to facts is so what? I (2+ / 0-)
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              Nina, Dragon5616

              haven't heard that as a legitimate argument since Dick Cheney said those very words in response to  a statement by a journalist that there were no WMDs.

              Great minds and all I guess.

              I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington...I'm asking you to believe in yours. - Barack Obama

              by Blogvirgin on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:28:40 PM PDT

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              •  go cheney yourself (0+ / 0-)

                I was saying "so what" to the comment that Obama would just blindly do everything he promised on the campaign trail.  He is much smarter than that.

                Introducing cheney is like the nazi name calling, totally out of line.

                "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

                by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:02:21 PM PDT

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        •  McCain or Obama- not a hard choice (0+ / 0-)

          So I had two choices, the idiot rich guy or this brilliant young politician who actually cares about facts.  Not hard to vote for Obama despite his military talk- that was just to get elected over the "war hero" McCain.

          When Obama then went for a wider war in Af-Pak that was a huge blunder.  He may not see it yet, but that essentially made him just one more president in the long line of big money for the military types.  Classic blunder, hopefully he will see his error.

          "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

          by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:05:30 PM PDT

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      •  Out of curiosity (5+ / 0-)

        What exactly did you think Obama stood for in terms of the Af-Pak war? It seems a little silly that at first you were "happy to see Obama in office" and then "[saw] he was one more of the bi-partisan War Party"

        Sounds like you didn't pay attention to what he campaigned on (in terms of Afghanistan) or you deluded yourself into thinking he was something he wasn't. Candidate Obama was very hawkish in regards to Afghanistan. President Obama is very hawkish in regards to Afghanistan.

        •  expected him to reevaluate (0+ / 0-)

          Based on the "facts on the ground", but instead he was quickly swayed by the generals and career military boosters in the pentagon and congress.

          "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

          by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:15:54 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think that Obama was (4+ / 0-)

            quickly swayed by the generals and career military boosters in the pentagon and congress.

            I think he made his own judgment after careful study.

            See, I don't have any problem with you saying that Obama made the wrong decision on the war in Af/Pak. Even just as an opinion, that is fine. As a reasoned argument, it is valuable and needs to be considered by the Dkos community.

            Where I have a problem, MD patriot, is when you imply that Obama is "easily swayed" by the military and its backers. That's attributing a very negative characteristic to the President, and, on a Democratic website, you should have to offer evidence for that or you should cease and desist.

            The description that Jonathan Alter gives of Obama's interaction with the military on Afghanistan paints exactly the opposite picture, i.e., Obama is NOT easily swayed by the military and, in fact, is able to handle them quite deftly.

            If you have contradictory evidence, you should produce it, or else you should drop the slur, IMHO.

            When it comes to Democrats, criticize, don't demonize. As for the GOP, I love Republicans--especially flame-broiled.

            by Dragon5616 on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:43:33 PM PDT

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            •  "quickly swayed" is relative (0+ / 0-)

              But in fact, we quickly put more troops into Afghanistan, so that is just the facts on the ground.

              Greatest disappointment with Obama is his military industrial complex- what happened to "no more emergency appropriations"?  What is an "emergency" about Iraq or Afghanistan?

              Why is $549 billion per year not enough to occupy these two countries?

              Total capitulation to the MIC- look at how congress can't find money to save teacher's jobs, but rushes through $59 billion for bombs with barely any debate, except for Alan Grayson (best current congressperson).

              "Drill Baby Drill": Stupid in 2008, criminally stupid now.

              by MD patriot on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:59:22 PM PDT

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              •  Ah, but you see, (3+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                TrueBlueMajority, fumie, FiredUpInCA

                just because the President makes a decision that you disagree with does not make him easily swayed or a tool of the MIC.

                As I said, I think his actions are his considered judgment. Might he be wrong? Sure. Might his decision benefit the MIC in your view? Sure.

                But I'm not buying the weak, evil, or stupid memes.

                When it comes to Democrats, criticize, don't demonize. As for the GOP, I love Republicans--especially flame-broiled.

                by Dragon5616 on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:07:57 PM PDT

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    •  Celebrate him any way... (7+ / 0-)

      ...illegitemi non carborundum!

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:35:11 PM PDT

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    •  How did that story go... ? (21+ / 0-)

      About the man that walked up to the guards gate at the White House and asked to see President Bush. The guard said to him, "Mr. Bush no longer lives here. He isn't President anymore Sir." The man says "Thank you" and walks away.

      The next day the man returns to the gate and asks the guard to see President Bush. The guard repeats to him, "Mr. Bush no longer lives here. He isn't President anymore Sir." The man says "Thank you" and as he walks away the guard says to him, "Sir, you've been coming here everyday for the last month asking to see President Bush and I tell you the same thing every time. Why do you keep coming back?"

      The mans smiles and says, "I just like hearing that he isn't President anymore."

      The guard says, "Very good Sir. See you tomorrow."

      REBOOTNY.org - Time to reboot the New York State Senate

      by Andrew C White on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:45:05 PM PDT

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    •  Totally Agree (12+ / 0-)

      This is why Democrats can't string together very many back-to-back election wins: we are bent on self-criticism.

      I'm a huge Obama booster and I'm proud of it.  Is he perfect?  No.  But the perfect is the enemy of the good anyway so who gives a shit?  He's a terrific president, better than I could have imagined and I can't wait to start working on his re-election campaign.

      You want to run him down?  Go ahead.  Have a party.  Me?  I'm not interested.

      Have a legitimate beef with Obama?  I'll listen, but it better be GOOD.  Because if it's just more Democrat bitching, here's the news:

      I know that tune, boys.  And I'm sick of hearing it.

      •  Self-defeat (3+ / 0-)
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        TrueBlueMajority, Nina, Dragon5616

        Totally Agree (5+ / 0-)

        This is why Democrats can't string together very many back-to-back election wins: we are bent on self-criticism.

        It's as if Democrats need to indulge self-criticism to the point of self-defeat. It's only in defeat and out of power that they only feel relevant.

        Because, like the Republicans have discovered, you can raise more money and achieve more electoral success when you are questioning power, rather than exerting it through policy.

        No policy prescription is perfect. No President is perfect. No Congress that includes Bill Nelson is perfect.

        In the long, storied history of mankind, the only thing that has ever been proven to be consistently perfect and unimpeachable are comments made on blogs.

        But it is completely unrealistic and unfair to expect Presidents, members of congress and other voters to reach this level of enlightenment in their lifetimes, let alone by November.

  •  Did it ever cross your mind that a big reason (12+ / 0-)

    why the Bush years were just so damn awful was that the Republicans were diehard cheerleaders who cheerled for W no matter how assinine he became?

    I for one am heartened that "the left" is not that blind.

  •  Me too regarding this: (11+ / 0-)

    I'm just so fcuking happy every single day that I wake up and realize that John McCain is not the President of the United States and Sarah Palin is not the Vice President and the Democrats have majorities in the House and the Senate!  

    But, we have to be proud that we all, even the President's supporters, are not wholly supporting him blindly.  

    He's not perfect or as liberal as I would like either, but I'm with you.  THANKFULLY, he is our President and not who was running against him.  

    He has a lot of work to do.  I hope he accomplishes as much as possible and that the Dems maintain or possibly (I hope) gain seats or at least gain more progressives in already Dem seats.  ... I'm an optimist, I suppose.

    Don't lose heart.  DKos folks are doing their job of not blindly following.  And most, even those who are the most vocally angry, wouldn't want McCain/Palin sitting in the WH.  I do have faith in that.

    http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

  •  Politicians should be held accountable for their (1+ / 0-)
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    Grumpy Young Man

    mistakes. I see very little reason to celebrate a president who's fond of covering up war crimes and doing the exact opposite of what he has promised.

  •  thank you for voicing my sentiment (11+ / 0-)

    Especially noting the numerous "niche" diaries we have here. There's even the Brothers and Sisters prayer diaries that (generally) don't get flack from atheists. I understand vigerous discussion in issue-based diaries, such as health care reform, etc. It seems to me that the fluffier Obama picture diaries are obviously aimed at Obama fans and they should not draw the ire that they do. There's no reason to get deliberately nasty and off-topic in some diaries when there's plenty of opportunities to get nasty and ON-topic all over the recent diary list!

    In a democracy, everyone is a politician. ~ Ehren Watada

    by Lefty Mama on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:45:43 PM PDT

    •  If only atheists could be spared the unceasing (0+ / 0-)

      open bigotry and personal attacks from a group of very vocal, hostile and hateful theists here, we'd be all set.

      Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

      by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 12:18:47 AM PDT

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      •  I'll have to keep my eyes open (0+ / 0-)

        It certainly cuts both ways - atheists also vociferously attack theists from time to time - but not on the B&S diaries.
        It's a problem in both cases, for sure. What I want to look for is whether the diaries that have disclaimers mitigate this effect. It's pretty common to see "if you believe in God, this diary is not for you" or vice versa. The B&S diaries have a standard disclaimer that they run every time, and I'm wondering if that has a positive effect. I don't recall seeing such a thing on I-P diaries, for example, although I just stay the hell away from them most of the time.

        If disclaimers help, then we should do more of them. If they don't, then back to the drawing board... There's got to be ways to send signals to each other to moderate our opinions in the interest of site cohesion - not to back down on our opinions, but to present them in ways that don't personally attack the other person.

        In a democracy, everyone is a politician. ~ Ehren Watada

        by Lefty Mama on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 10:37:22 AM PDT

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        •  There is a critical difference right at the start (0+ / 0-)

          atheists tend not to exclude theists from engaging in intellectual discussion on an open political forum.

          Of what value is excluding dissent and diversity and limiting pluralism, when we claim to be about progressive liberal democratic values?

          Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

          by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 11:12:53 AM PDT

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          •  certainly our milage does vary here (1+ / 0-)
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            RandomActsOfReason

            I think acrimony may be increasing across the board (on all forums and subjects) due to the trend for people to seek out only opinions that match their own. I don't like it, but (for example) I do see lots of vilification of Obama and Palin alike. Of course, Sarah Palin is not worth the oxygen as her dissenting opinion is not based on facts. We would be better off talking about smart conservatives and picking apart why they think a certain way. I'd just like to beat them at the polls, both blue dogs and the regular kind!

            In a democracy, everyone is a politician. ~ Ehren Watada

            by Lefty Mama on Thu Jun 03, 2010 at 02:12:03 PM PDT

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  •  Good for you! (15+ / 0-)

    You are not alone in your feeling that the O administration gets dinged regularly, when often, they are trying to 'do the right thing'. To turn the country around, they have taken a rational, incremental approach, that 'digs' into many, who want more sweeping results (whose possibility is debatable). Clearly, this Administration 'learns', in the usual way, "the hard way". As it matures, I believe, thing will get better, and the grousing will decline. Nobody said (despite hopes) that everything would be perfect following the elections of '08, but most should agree they are one hell of a lot BETTER.

    "God is an iron" -Spider Robinson

    by oldcrow on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:46:40 PM PDT

  •  We knew it would take (7+ / 0-)

    at least two terms to clean up the mess that Bush/Cheney made of the country.

    While I am disappointed that President Obama is not as liberal as I am and has taken vastly more moderate and corporate-friendly approaches to issues such as health care, I am also not that terribly surprised and am very pleased to have a real Democrat in the White House.

    I don't mind criticism or praise of the President but I don't care much for bullshit in either direction.

    Peace,

    Andrew

    REBOOTNY.org - Time to reboot the New York State Senate

    by Andrew C White on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:48:37 PM PDT

  •  Sometimes I think dKos has become a target (2+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, Dragon5616

    because it is so well known.  I think there are people here to stir things up for whatever reason.  I used to be very free with my recommends.  Not so much anymore.

    I even read a diary from a 200,000 level user who wanted to encourage everyone to post 'bad' diaries for a lame contest.  Like turning the recent diaries list into a yahoo comments section would be funny.

    Wasn't it mentioned in Tipping Point, the optimum size for an organization before it needed to split?  Maybe we have gotten to the size above where we need to be.

    My suggestion for comments, maybe even diaries too is that they just fade away if not recommended.  

    It's time for trains. Money spent on infrastructure is money we get back.

    by 88kathy on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:56:14 PM PDT

  •  Well, bless your heart, TBM. (13+ / 0-)

    I feel the same way.

    Sometimes, I just get weary of the same old, same old from the same group of people. I try to ignore it, but sometimes it gets to me.

    You asked the question I keep asking the critics:

    No one who is liberal enough to suit me on every issue could get elected in this country!  If there is a perfect progressive candidate out there with the right positions on all the issues who can get elected, please share his/her name with the rest of the class!

    The answer, of course, is *crickets*.

    I support Obama wholeheartedly. That does not mean I agree with him about everything. I have some real issues with how the Justice Department has come down in many cases.

    I do believe that the President is doing what he thinks he can to help the country, and, for the most part, I think we have made real progress in a number of key areas. I also think there is more work to do.

    I do not believe Obama is a corporatist or a war-monger or an idiot or a puppet or a weakling.

    Dkos is a Democratic blog. It is also a skeptical blog and a reality blog. Those are good things. We need to criticize Democrats as well as Republicans and we definitely need to keep working on better Democrats as well as more Democrats. But my advice to my fellow Kossacks is in my sig line.

    When it comes to Democrats, criticize, don't demonize. As for the GOP, I love Republicans--especially flame-broiled.

    by Dragon5616 on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 01:59:47 PM PDT

  •  The Problem is Thousands of People Here Remember (5+ / 0-)

    how the country was, and how it was run, the last time it was not in decline.

    That was a very long time ago, so long that over half the community doesn't remember it. Your President doesn't, either. By the time he was 8-10 years old and able to be aware of things outside his family, we were starting the decline that has continued under Republicans and Democrats for some 40 years.

    It didn't start with Bush. It didn't start with Reagan. It started around the time the bills began piling up for the Vietnam War, and previous 40 year climb of the American people stalled and slowly began to reverse.

    You're right that it's not fair that you didn't get to celebrate like Republicans. One of the reasons is that too many Democrats for too many years have celebrated things that looked like wins to them, but were really losses.

    We've got a bunch of people who've been right about core aspects of the country for 20, 30, 40 years now, and marginalized the entire time. They're still right today, despite seeming so crazy over ideas nobody's seen in use for half a lifetime. But what makes them right is standing with hard facts of accounting, science, current events and history.

    So there's a fair amount of bitterness. People don't like watching their country driven into the ground and having the choice between fast and slow.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:00:37 PM PDT

  •  BWD's diary was at the top of the list again (7+ / 0-)

    You can celebrate Obama's presidency here, actually.  You just don't have to take to heart every comment from everyone who feels the need to piss on it no matter what.

    No matter where you hang out on the interweb toobs there are always going to be a lot of people who you think, ASSHOLE!  Dkos is one of those places where there are also a lot of people who it would be very hard to think that of.  And even more who you would think that of one day but then be grateful to the same person another day for some insight or some kind words.

    I find that patience pays off here and so does not getting too jacked over anyone's ranting.  

    "Well it was pretty practical to the people who had the life nearly beaten out of them." -Maddow to Paul

    by Sun dog on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:06:59 PM PDT

  •  I hear ya. (7+ / 0-)

    Even though I have criticisms of Obama of my own, I get tired of the relentless attacks on him.  I can understand criticism of him; it's warranted, as it would be to any president.  And we should definitely voice it when it's due.

    But some of the rabid stuff here is just crazy.  Some people are flat-out elated at a chance to hate him. It's a source of glee to them.

    Observing it, here and in other places I've visited, I've been forced to realize that a large portion of the far right and the far left are actually composed of the same type of people: miserable fucking assholes who actually just hate themselves and want to make the rest of humanity as unhappy as they are.  They don't want to win anything... they just want something to self-righteously complain about.  The only difference is the viewpoint they alligned themselves with: the far-right hates everyone who isn't a white, conservative Christian, and the far left hates anyone who isn't mired in guilt for being part of the imperfect human race.

    Both sides hate whoever they elect because they're never "pure" enough.  It doesn't matter how progressive Obama is, or how much success he has - they'll concentrate on anything he does that's not progressive enough, or what he tries that doesn't work.  Like their right-wing counterparts, its only failure that makes them feel "righteous."

    But, the Democratic party is still the best hope we have, since the Republicans are full-blown crazy theocrats now, so I'll stick with the site even if some of what I see here does make me feel ill at times.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:19:26 PM PDT

  •  Obama - The President. (2+ / 0-)

    Deferment Dick -The Happy Torturer

    by Mr Magu on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 02:59:25 PM PDT

  •  I stood by this during the Bush administration (5+ / 0-)

    And I stand by it now.

    "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."  - "Theodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149 May 7, 1918

    Far too many seemed to forget the criticize part when Bush was in the White House, and even more forget the praise portion now.

    BOTH are necessary.

    Tipped and rec'd.

    "Anybody who desperately wants to believe lies will not even notice the truth standing next to them wearing a big red neon sign." - Keith Olbermann

    by Diogenes2008 on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:05:51 PM PDT

  •  I'm grateful to have Obama as president... (4+ / 0-)

    and I'm also glad Democrats controll the Congress but all I ever hear is how we are going to lose it all this fall.I don't understand why the media and apparantly most of U.S. voters won't give Democrats enough time to govern.Obama hasn't even been president a year and a half and already everybody wants to give the keys back to the Republicans again.The ones who created all this disaster in the first place!It took voters six years to figure out what a fraud Bush was.At least give our president some time to fix all the damage the GOP caused.

    •  Zen-like detachment (4+ / 0-)

      I'm also glad Democrats controll the Congress but all I ever hear is how we are going to lose it all this fall.I don't understand why the media and apparantly most of U.S. voters won't give Democrats enough time to govern.Obama hasn't even been president a year and a half and already everybody wants to give the keys back to the Republicans again.

      I am starting to acquire a zen-like detachment from the doomsday scenario being pushed by the left and the right.

      The President remains the most popular politician in the country.

      Yet even, in PA-12, where his approval rating was a dismal 38%, Democrat Mark Critz won the House Seat by nine points.

      That's because people are interested in results, and the GOP made it clear they are interested in fights.

      As people discover that they can keep their kids on their health insurance, that they can pay a little less for college because the government kicked the banks out the student loan business, as they watch the economy improve and as they participate in innovations like Cash for Clunkers or tax breaks for homeownership, they are more likely to vote for more of that than they are for more tea party-flavored fuming.

      The Democrats have a more positive message to vote for than the Waterloo-wishing Republicans and the burn-it-all-down to create the United States of Somalia tea partiers.

  •  OK, I played in a troll diary for a while (5+ / 0-)

    and am back and feeling a little less discouraged.

    thanks for letting me get that off my chest, and thanks to all who commented.

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    --Tom Harkin

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:23:30 PM PDT

  •  I remember (4+ / 0-)

    when this site was devoted to getting Democrats elected. It seems to have been overrun by a bunch of immature they-want-it-all types who have no problem handing the majorities over to the Repugs. I cannot abide that.

    As Don Corleone said, if Democrats lose is November I'm going to blame some of the people in this room. And that is something I will not forgive.

    The Republican option is unacceptable.

  •  My guess...same thing will happen in here. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TrueBlueMajority, DemandTruth

    And it SUCKS!

    Cheney-tide...a fitting legacy for a black-hearted prince of darkness.

    by reddbierd on Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 03:33:54 PM PDT

    •  not too many people saw this diary (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      reddbierd

      there are advantages to not being well known enough to attract the SOTILOTM crowd

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      --Tom Harkin

      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Jun 02, 2010 at 05:25:08 AM PDT

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