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Friday opinion, Joe Barton edition.

NY Times:

Mr. Obama is betting that Republicans are also walking a fine line. That became evident Thursday as Republican leaders distanced themselves from Representative Barton’s outburst, which included the charge that Mr. Obama was acting illegally by applying “some sort of political pressure that in my words amounts to a shakedown.”

Mr. Obama’s aides clearly relished the idea of a Texas Republican dependent on donors from the energy industry who was actually apologizing to BP. As a political strategy, they appear to be adapting the course taken by Franklin D. Roosevelt, who seized on a mood of distrust when, in the closing days of the 1936 campaign, he said: ”I should like to have it said of my first administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match.” When the applause subsided, he added: “I should like to have it said of my second administration that in it these forces met their master.”  

Holding BP accountable is up for debate? Really?

USA Today:

Americans have a message for President Obama on handling the oil spill: Get tougher.

Hello? NY Times?
WaPo:

Gulf oil spill puts industry-friendly Republicans in tight spot

Rep. Joe L. Barton (R-Tex.), who has received more than $100,000 in campaign contributions from the oil industry during this election cycle, revealed Thursday that he may be the only person in America who believes that BP deserves an apology for the way it has been treated during the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. ...

To some Republicans, the defense of the oil industry has more to do with their belief in free enterprise and their wariness of regulation. The debate over drilling has been a core part of their argument for less government. This may not be the best moment to be making that argument, either.

This is a key concept, and we need more recognition of just how badly Republicans are screwing themselves.

Dave Weigel:

The oil spill in the Gulf is this nation’s largest natural disaster and stopping the leak and cleaning up the region is our top priority," said the leaders. "Congressman Barton’s statements this morning were wrong. BP itself has acknowledged that responsibility for the economic damages lies with them and has offered an initial pledge of $20 billion dollars for that purpose."

All of that said, there really is Republican disagreement with the escrow fund, and the way the fund was set up. I'll have more on that shortly.

Open Secrets:

Individuals and political action committees associated with BP have donated $27,350 to Barton's political campaigns since the 1990 election cycle -- eighth among members of Congress, the Center for Responsive Politics' research indicates. (Barton might find it ironic that the man he said so mistreated BP, President Barack Obama, received more than $77,000 from BP employees during his political career.) Contributions from PACs made up 94 percent of Barton's donations.

Individuals or PACs associated with the oil and gas industry as a whole have been Barton's biggest patron since he entered Congress, donating more than $1,448,380 since the 1990 election cycle. The figure puts him at No. 1 among all House members for donations from the industry, fifth among members of Congress and fourth among active members of Congress.

Barton's comments today came after Hayward had just taken his licks from several members of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, including Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.). Barton, the ranking Republican on the energy and commerce committee, must have been a welcome sight.

Barton has been a consistent skeptic of global warming and opponent of legislation to address climate change. In his Oval Office speech Tuesday night, President Obama sought to use the disaster from the spill in the Gulf to argue for action on significant climate legislation.

Paul Krugman:

Suddenly, creating jobs is out, inflicting pain is in. Condemning deficits and refusing to help a still-struggling economy has become the new fashion everywhere, including the United States, where 52 senators voted against extending aid to the unemployed despite the highest rate of long-term joblessness since the 1930s.

David Brooks:

Some of the chaos was inevitable, once this much oil started gushing into the coastal waters. What was not inevitable, however, was the sense of insult and rage local officials now feel.

Of course it was inevitable. There are people who would oppose Obama if he suggested the sun comes up in the morning. Republicans have been outraged from the moment he won the election and have opposed everything he does. See this WaPo poll analysis on Gulf opposition, for example. Brooks is incapable of factual analysis.

Chris Cillizza:

While Democrats' open seat problems are not insignificant but compared with the "rats fleeing the sinking ship" sentiment that pervaded that Democratic House caucus just a few months ago, the party is on stronger footing than many people thought they would be this far along in the cycle.

(Credit, according to informed House leadership sources, is rightly divided between the leadership team of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen and Majority Whip Jim Clyburn as the quartet worked on-the-fence members hard for months to keep them in Congress.)

If the Dems retain their majority, Nancy Pelosi should send Barton a rose for every Democrat who wins.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:33 AM PDT.

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  •  The focus on deficit is short-sighted. (6+ / 0-)

    Making sure we don't default is the ultimate goal, but during a recession, you have to wait until better economic times.  Also, if you really want to tackle the debt in the short term, join the Frank-Wyden-Paul-etc. group that's working on a plan to audit the Pentagon and potentially save a trillion bucks over 10 years.  That won't hurt nearly as many people as focusing on the debt while considering UI extensions.

    Cold hearted orb/That rules the night/Removes the colours From our sight/Red is gray and/Yellow white/But we decide/Which is right/And/Which is an Illusion

    by KingofSpades on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:40:38 AM PDT

    •  How I got out of debt (0+ / 0-)

      When I finally had some capital, instead of getting bright ideas about buying a new toy, I made painfully huge payments on the high interest debt.

      It extrapolates.  When the economy starts bouncing back, the first thing we need to do is pay China off and get them the FUCK off our books.

      Catholic Church: Example of Religion thats TOO BIG TO FAIL

      by Detroit Mark on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:47:20 AM PDT

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      •  The problem is that (2+ / 0-)

        the deficit hawks are out in force NOW, demanding budget deficits be tackled NOW in the middle of the recession when unemployment is over 9%.  Being penny-wise now is only being pound-foolish, as refusing to help the states and forcing the layoffs of state employees is only going to increase the unemployment rate, while at the same time congress is so fixated on the deficit they're also refusing to help the unemployed.

        These congress people are crazy.  They believe the "markets" are insisting that the deficit be tackled immediately, even though there is no evidence at all that the markets are concerned  about the federal deficit.

        The only ones concerned are the millionaires and billionaires who spend their days playing with their money and only want more money to play with.  The plight of ordinary people is not their problem - the problem, to them, is that the government is spending borrowed (or printed) money on ordinary people which may eventually affect their ability to amass fortunes.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:26:55 AM PDT

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      •  Better pay Japan first (2+ / 0-)
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        They hold more T-bills and have the highest Debt/GDP ratio on the world, so they could really use the money.

        Or you could pay off China and then ask Japan how to run an economy on high deficit spending with increasing unemployment for a decades and still  survive.

        But maybe investing in green technology and infrastructure projects to create jobs would actually show more return.

        At the rate things are going, the Yuan is likely to appreciate against the dollar later this year and shrink that debt down to nearly worthless paper for china.

        Why do you think Krugman stopped bitching about the Yuan?  It has nothing to do with the conscince of a liberal and everything to do with Chinese inflation.

        "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

        by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:31:05 AM PDT

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    •  It's Far-Sighted. Finish Off New Deal Economics, (1+ / 0-)
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      restore the world to aristocratic wealth spreads. Forever.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:24:14 AM PDT

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  •  barton's shakedown comment = mugging by obama (7+ / 0-)

    that's what he means.

    •  barton feel BP's pain. lol. (5+ / 0-)

      i didnt know prostitutes could get so emotional.

      •  Barton's talking points were from WEDNESDAY! (10+ / 0-)

        PoliticsDaily had it on Wednesday via TPM.

        It came from the Repuke thinktank, tHE rEPUBLICAN sTUDY cOMMITTEE - ON WEDNESDAY:

        We all agree that BP should be held fully responsible for its complicity in the oil tragedy in the Gulf," said Chairman Price. "In fact, BP has already begun paying claims. Any attempt by the company to sidestep that responsibility should be met with the strongest legal recourses available. However, in an administration that appears not to respect fundamental American principles, it is important to note that there is no legal authority for the President to compel a private company to set up or contribute to an escrow account.

        BP's reported willingness to go along with the White House's new fund suggests that the Obama Administration is hard at work exerting its brand of Chicago-style shakedown politics. These actions are emblematic of a politicization of our economy that has been borne out of this Administration's drive for greater power and control. It is the same mentality that believes an economic crisis or an environmental disaster is the best opportunity to pursue a failed liberal agenda. The American people know much better.

        "They only call it class war when we fight back!" [h/t buhdydharma] MORE AND BETTER DEMOCRATS IN 2010!!

        by ezdidit on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:11:49 AM PDT

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        •  Yep (2+ / 0-)
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          looks like he was only stating what was in the memo!
          Although he had a larger audience.

        •  Let's see hopw fast they can scrub this... (3+ / 0-)
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          FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE   6.16.2010 Chicago-Style Political Shakedown

          Washington, Jun 16 - Republican Study Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-GA) issued the following statement after the White House announced it had reached a deal with BP to require the oil company to place $20 billion into an escrow fund to pay claims filed against the company in the wake of the Gulf oil spill.

          "We all agree that BP should be held fully responsible for its complicity in the oil tragedy in the Gulf," said Chairman Price.  "In fact, BP has already begun paying claims.  Any attempt by the company to sidestep that responsibility should be met with the strongest legal recourses available.  However, in an administration that appears not to respect fundamental American principles, it is important to note that there is no legal authority for the President to compel a private company to set up or contribute to an escrow account.

          "BP’s reported willingness to go along with the White House’s new fund suggests that the Obama Administration is hard at work exerting its brand of Chicago-style shakedown politics.  These actions are emblematic of a politicization of our economy that has been borne out of this Administration’s drive for greater power and control.  It is the same mentality that believes an economic crisis or an environmental disaster is the best opportunity to pursue a failed liberal agenda.  The American people know much better."

          [my emph]

          "They only call it class war when we fight back!" [h/t buhdydharma] MORE AND BETTER DEMOCRATS IN 2010!!

          by ezdidit on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:16:39 AM PDT

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        •  Teabaggers on Facebook (3+ / 0-)
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          are only just today using the phrase "Chicago Style Shakedown" like the hot new word they just learned and can't stop saying.

          Catholic Church: Example of Religion thats TOO BIG TO FAIL

          by Detroit Mark on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:48:44 AM PDT

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        •  Single Stupidest Questn in Media History: Tweety (4+ / 0-)

          after airing the Barton clip, and a clip of another Repub using the same time, asked his guest if there was a carrier pigeon flying messages between some of the Republicans.

          Because it just struck him that some were saying very similar words.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:27:02 AM PDT

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          •  ...another Republican using the same WORDS.... nt (2+ / 0-)
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            We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

            by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:27:37 AM PDT

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            •  They have some very smart people (1+ / 0-)
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              developing their commentaries. DC PR firms have very clever writers, but this is really amateur stuff. I wonder which shills they're using....not that it really matters much.

              I can't even blame the media. They get swamped with this crap on their FAXes by the hour.

              "They only call it class war when we fight back!" [h/t buhdydharma] MORE AND BETTER DEMOCRATS IN 2010!!

              by ezdidit on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:41:07 AM PDT

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      •  heh, heh, prostitutes get very emotional if (1+ / 0-)
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        you don't pay them!!

        "Our 'neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell" - Edward Abbey

        by stormserge on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:41:15 AM PDT

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    •  is prolly just 'cuz he's black too! (0+ / 0-)

      i don't think barton likes people of color.

      "Our 'neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell" - Edward Abbey

      by stormserge on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:40:25 AM PDT

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    •  I think he was trying to make a Chicago Machine.. (2+ / 0-)
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      ...analogy.

      Not an African-American mugger analogy.

      If that's what you're getting at.

      "Philosophy is useless; theology is worse"--Dire Straits

      by Bush Bites on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:48:20 AM PDT

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    •  I bet BP regrets donating to Big-mouth Barton now (0+ / 0-)

      But, Tony, lie down with dogs ....

      .. what the hell were you thinking, man?

      "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

      by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:30:31 AM PDT

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  •  Good morning, DemFromCT (12+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the round-up of Barton bashing.  It was NPR this a.m. with the snippet of the non-apology which made his first statement even worse, if possible.

    Hope you don't mind but I'm reduced to large scale pimping the BP Liveblog Mothership.  Please rec her to keep her on the recommend list.  This is the 23rd Mothership and there are 113 sub diaries with tons of information and analysis by our home-grown experts in the field.  Thank you.

    No witchcraft, no enemy action had silenced the rebirth of new life in this stricken world. The people had done it themselves. -- Rachel Carson

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:47:46 AM PDT

  •  natural? really? (13+ / 0-)

    The oil spill in the Gulf is this nation’s largest natural disaster and stopping the leak and cleaning up the region is our top priority

    It is a disaster in nature, a disaster for nature. But a natural disaster? No way!

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    by LwPhD on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:50:17 AM PDT

  •  The Rethugs would wear it like a (10+ / 0-)

    hair shirt if I was in charge. "The Republicans apologized to BP" would be campaign slogan, meme and talk show mantra.

    The Republican motto: "There's been a lot of progress in this country over the last 75 years, and we've been against all of it."

    by Hillbilly Dem on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:50:45 AM PDT

  •  UnClear Why the American Public (9+ / 0-)

    Does not get it

    IF  it takes you 10 Million Dollars to get elected, YOUR corrupt.  You have to be to raise that kind of money..

    the Oil industry support most of the legislative body, and some of the executive office too.  Most gubernatorial races have oil money in them, and that is true of banking, insurance and defense contracting.  

    IF IT TAKES 10 MILLION TO GET ELECTED, YOUR IN BED WITH THE DEVIL.

    Campaign reform, FIX the problem

    •  $10M buys a lot (4+ / 0-)

      Hell, when the President tries to hold responsible a corporation that has done billions of dollars of harm, it's considered a "debatable" pressure tactic, a "shakedown"... well, that $10M has bought off not only Joe Barton but also the corporate media.

      He’s walking a very fine line here," said Jeffrey Garten, a professor of trade and international finance at the Yale School of Management and a former top official in the Clinton administration’s Commerce Department. "He is taking each case on the merits as he sees it, but he runs the risk of sowing a level of mistrust about all big companies. And it’s those companies — not small businesses — that he will need to invest and innovate for the kind of recovery he wants."

      Notice that the only time Presidential power becomes questionable is when Big Corporations don't get to do what they want, i.e. BP can't pay dividends in the face of its astronomical liability, GM couldn't keep the chief executive who ran it into the ground thereby necessitating a bailout, Wall Street couldn't pay salaries and bonuses to executives who had set up and then sold awful investments.

      And God forbid that people should distrust Big Corporations; after all we need them to "invest and innovate" according to the yokel from Yale.  I say screw them; they won't invest their money and try to make profits because the people don't trust them?  Right.  Sure sounds like a typical pro-corporate business school prof.

      All these Big Corporations are willing to accept Government cash but when it comes to doing something in exchange, it's considered "bullying."

      I can't help but think that if FDR was president, most of these industries would remain under government control until they started creating jobs.  It wasn't enough to bail the corporations out and then get some cash back from them; the corporations need to put people back to work.  Let them cry all they want.

      "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

      by gsbadj on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:57:51 AM PDT

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    •  The System Can't Be Changed Now. SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

      is suspending public financing and will probably strike it down.

      Any ways there are around that are unthinkable to Americans.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:30:53 AM PDT

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    •  If you're axiom holds true (0+ / 0-)

      Then Obama is exremely corrupt, and not a very good value for BP.

      "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

      by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:42:11 AM PDT

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  •  Per Weigel's piece (5+ / 0-)

    All of that said, there really is Republican disagreement with the escrow fund, and the way the fund was set up. I'll have more on that shortly.

    Other than the escrow account being Obama's idea and that it was a Chicago-style shakedown of epic proportions, I'll be fascinated to see what the objection is.

    The $20 billion is for economic damages only.  There is no cap beyond that amount.  The $$ goes to those damaged rather than lawyers.  The $$ is paid out now rather than cents on the dollar to your estate because you've died waiting.

    The President has the authority to negotiate this account persuant to the Oil Pollution Act and National Contingency Plan.

    No witchcraft, no enemy action had silenced the rebirth of new life in this stricken world. The people had done it themselves. -- Rachel Carson

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:51:56 AM PDT

  •  David Brooks is a CROTCH STUFFING phoney! (3+ / 0-)

    Today, he stunts for states' rights. Tomorrow, WTF?... What an a@@hole.

    Jindal's berms are just plain wrong: And sunk barges will trap oil in the marshes just as effluent from the Mississippi is increased to repair those same marshes!

    Not only that, berms will wash away & waste sand and available Army Corps of Engineer resources that is needed to repair barrier sand bars damaged in 2005 and during the previous 20 years.

    What Brooks really ought to do is STFU!

    As always, he misleads, misdirects and uses the cheapest short-term shot - just like Bush! Morally, he is just as bankrupt as Repukes themselves. Crotch stuffing!

    Shorter Brooks: Rape victims need to dress more conservatively or they're just asking for it.

    "They only call it class war when we fight back!" [h/t buhdydharma] MORE AND BETTER DEMOCRATS IN 2010!!

    by ezdidit on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 03:56:42 AM PDT

  •  You know, you might be able to say (0+ / 0-)

    that Joe Barton is not taking his marching orders from the oil industry as much as from British politicians David Cameron and Boris Johnson...

    •  The BBC is doing well parroting that this week. (0+ / 0-)

      Gesh! Is Zhōng​guó​ Xīn​wén​shè the only news agency we can depend on to maintain objectivity from government influance now?

      "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

      by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:49:44 AM PDT

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      •  My Mandarin's not so good (0+ / 0-)

        you mean this paper?

        •  That's the homepage (1+ / 0-)
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          As you may guess, my remark was kind of a SNARK.

          In China we have 2 basic state run news service:

          The main one, well-known internationally, is 新华通讯社 (Xīnhuá tōngxùnshè) or in English, New China News Agency.

          The second one is 中国新闻社 (Zhōng​guó​ Xīn​wén​shè) or in English, China News Agency.

          Normally, we joked that the purpose of publishing 中国新闻社 is so people have enough spare paper to line trash bins and things to discuss with strangers on the train.

          The BBC is really starting to go downhill and starting run like CNN, 3 stories + one pundit per 30 minutes.

          "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

          by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:52:45 AM PDT

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  •  How nice - another early morning round up ;D (9+ / 0-)

    "I'm not stonewalling. I simply was not involved in the decision-making process."

    "I was not part of the decision making process on this well," he said. "I had no prior knowledge."

    again and again and again...

    By the end, the Q&A had become little more than a collection of "I don'ts" (55 mentions), "I'm nots" (42), "I can'ts" (28) and scores more "I wasn'ts," "I haven'ts" and the like. source
     

    I say we've got the wrong group of folks interrogating interviewing Mr. Hayward...

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    Thanks for the earlier posting times as well as the excellent content DfCT.  

    As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

    by JaxDem on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:02:04 AM PDT

    •  "Mr. Hayward, we can go the easy way, or we can.. (6+ / 0-)

      .
       . . . go for a ride.  I'm just sayin'.  That's a nice suit, by the way.  It'd be a shame to get it wet."

       They were just so, so "matter of fact."

      .

      "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

      by BenGoshi on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:14:19 AM PDT

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      •  Oh yes they were... (3+ / 0-)
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        "Nothing personal Mr. Hayward, it's just business".

        Which is something he and the other corporate gangsters should be able to comprehend, no?

        Hope you're doing well...holding you and your family in my thoughts...

        As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

        by JaxDem on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:20:15 AM PDT

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    •  I Think You've Shown Hayward's Staff nt (1+ / 0-)
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      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:31:50 AM PDT

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    •  Actuallly ... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... the comparrison is not so far fetched.

      I'm probably going to get HR'd to hell and back for saying this, but I think most of the questioning and the general treatment of Hayward was ineffective, amaturish bullying and a wasted opportunity.

      It was 95% political posturing and 5% inquiry, didn't make Dems look very good in terms of getting substansive answers, and turned Hayward into {gags and turns blue as he says this} a sympathetic figure.

      There were numerous opportunities to redirect questions in a way that would have pointed toward the systematic nature of the problem and possibly have forced Hayward to admidt and even elabrate the nature of the problems within BP and the industry, and the time was wasted browbeating him personally, and was particularly lame in wasting time repeating questions he answered, probably truthfully, but we're repeated ad nausea to the point Mr. Hayward could easily defect and evade further probing.

      Now I know what untalented Lawyers unable to rephrase questions or build a case do; run for Senate.

      Is it possible they were enjoying the attention so much they forgot the purpose was an inquiry?

      Or am I clueless and confusing "inquiry" and "inqusition"?

      "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

      by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 07:10:52 AM PDT

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      •  did you see the nightly news? (0+ / 0-)

        he was treated as far from a sympathetic figure as one could get and still stay on this planet.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:49:42 AM PDT

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  •  I don't "do tv" anymore. (0+ / 0-)

    .
       . . . other than DVDs on the tv machine and tv vids on the computer machine.

    So, over the past 12-18 hours how's the Barton and whole GOBP thing playing out on the Giant Idiot Tube?

    .

    "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

    by BenGoshi on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:09:24 AM PDT

    •  barton's getitng clobbered (1+ / 0-)
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      and GO(B)P leadership is fleeing from him.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:40:40 AM PDT

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    •  I envey you (1+ / 0-)
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      I used to be totally capable of ignoring The Tube; for years I was. Then something snapped in my brain and I started turning on news for background noise. Ultimately it afffects your mental health; you begin talking back to the talking heads just because they are so annoyingly wrong, and get paid for it. Now, even the BBC semms to have gotten the 3 story news cycle disease punctuated by ax grinding pundits that reinforce the meme du jour.

      To answer your question: Barton and the GOP have made themselves look like idiots, and that, then, becomes the story: BREAKING: IDIOT SAID SOMETHING IDIOTIC. EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH IDIOT'S DOG.

      Worse still: Congeressional inquiry of BP official yeilds lame questions and no answeres. They actually made it easy work for Mr. Hayward.

      "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

      by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 07:26:43 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  obama has said (5+ / 0-)

    (though not in these exact words) that in his experience 90% of extremist loony tunes eventually end up driving themselves into a ditch. this belief may explain his almost preternatural calmness in the face of unrelentingly frenzied oppositional attack. is he on to something? well, barton-type moments hold out the possibility he just might be.  

    •  That Was a Nice Philosophy Decades Ago When (1+ / 0-)
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      the nation hadn't moved so far right that the boundary of hard testable factuality hadn't ended up in the middle of the Democratic party.

      Right now what's called the looney left are the nut cases who have gone so extreme that they passed collectivist economic theory and went all the way to stand with hard science.

      Yesterday the most astonishing pair of stories was in the news at the same time.

      In one, Juan Cole I believe pointed out that the looney left was so crazy, that when Obama gave a great energy speech they complained he didn't mention climate change. He concluded that you can't write parody that good.

      The other story was scientists announcing that the Arctic had passed a tipping point around 2005 and that total melting of arctic ice is now unpreventable.

      That's the looney left, the failed tired politics of the past, in the Democratic party.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:36:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What's with "Mr. Obama" crap at nyt ? (0+ / 0-)

    How did they call Bush ?

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    I want a no-drama Obama, not an emobama.
    Left's "disgruntleist" faction needs to take a chill pill.

    by amk for obama on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:14:56 AM PDT

  •  DemFromCt, I'm Impressed....it's 7:30am... (13+ / 0-)

    ...and like every other morning, you've already read numerous media sources and blogs and extracted the best or most interesting/perversely noteworthy for all of the rest of us.  Keep up the good work, thanks!

  •  President Obama picked Lakers to win (7+ / 0-)

    and they did

    much to my disappointment

    This Machine Kills Fascists

    by aaraujo on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:17:00 AM PDT

  •  Stem cell therapy 'damage' seen in kidney disease (3+ / 0-)
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    A new complication has been seen in a patient with kidney disease who received stem cell therapy, scientists have warned.

    Stem cells were injected into the kidney, but the patient suffered tissue damage and died from an infection.

    The Canadian and Thai researchers said the findings published in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology showed caution was needed.

    Experts said there was a gap between research and treatment.

    ...

    Researchers from Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, Thailand, and Paul Scott Thorner, from the University of Toronto, were involved in removing and analysing the kidney.

    They found that the patient had not benefited at all from the treatment, but had actually developed tissue damage called angiomyeloproliferative lesions at the injection sites. These were found to be clusters of blood vessels and bone marrow cells.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    I want a no-drama Obama, not an emobama.
    Left's "disgruntleist" faction needs to take a chill pill.

    by amk for obama on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:17:50 AM PDT

    •  So, no "growing replacement organs" just yet (0+ / 0-)

      Just as with deepwater oil drilling, there are limits to what we can do with current knowledge and technology.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

      by Egalitare on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:37:46 AM PDT

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  •  Last line of defnce (4+ / 0-)
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    Mr. Obama clearly sees his presidency as far more than a bully pulpit — he has cast himself as a last line of defense against market excesses that take many different forms. "In the past, corporate America was not only at the table, they owned the table and the chairs around it," Mr. Obama’s combative chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, said in an interview Thursday. "Obama doesn’t start off confrontational, but he will be confrontational if there is resistance to the notion that there are other equities."

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    [W]e got our mops and brooms out, we're cleaning stuff out, and they're just sitting there saying, `Hold the broom better, that's not how you mop.'

    by Kitty on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:18:58 AM PDT

  •  Germany-Serbia 0-0 @ 0 min. (0+ / 0-)

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    I want a no-drama Obama, not an emobama.
    Left's "disgruntleist" faction needs to take a chill pill.

    by amk for obama on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:22:07 AM PDT

  •  I'd really like to know (1+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock

    Where the hell the "generals" are. Our country needs defending. The military is best at getting everyone pointed in the same direction (with or without weapons). Where are those skills in service of defending the coastlines, booming at-risk areas, training civilians for clean-up? Why are they so quiet? Too busy prying into other people's business and not attending to ours?

    •  Military Is Being Engaged (0+ / 0-)

      Obama mentioned it in the Tuesday speech.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:41:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  States haven't requested many National Guards men (0+ / 0-)

      and women yet. President Obama authorized the deployment of 17500 of them. As of this week, only 1600 had been deployed. President Obama mentioned THREE times this week that states just have to ask and the National Guard will be there. Was there a not so subtle message to the Govenors ?

  •  Brooks: pretender to Broder's deanship (0+ / 0-)

    Brooks is incapable of factual analysis

    "...calling for a 5" deck gun is not parody. Not by a long shot." (gnaborretni)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:33:12 AM PDT

  •  my liege accept my humble apology (0+ / 0-)
  •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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    "...a rose for every Democrat who wins."

    Each one dipped in oil.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:38:00 AM PDT

  •  hah, the WaPo is apologizing for the apologist! (2+ / 0-)
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    barton is an opportunity that dems need to exploit hugely; his biggest donor is anadarko, bp's partner in this well!!

    "Our 'neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Babylon and evil as Hell" - Edward Abbey

    by stormserge on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:39:40 AM PDT

  •  Russia raps EU, US sanctions against Iran (1+ / 0-)
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    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has criticised the unilateral US and EU sanctions on Iran that go beyond those approved by the UN Security Council.

    He said Russia "did not agree" to any separate sanctions when it backed a joint UN resolution last week.

    Meanwhile, Pentagon chief Robert Gates said US intelligence showed that Iran could be able to attack Europe with "scores" of missiles by 2020.

    He added that Russia seemed to have a "schizophrenic" approach to Iran.

    Moscow viewed Iran as a threat, but still pursued commercial ties with it, he told a US senate hearing in Washington.

    Western powers suspect Iran is seeking nuclear weapons - which Tehran denies.
    In an interview that ran on Thursday, the Russian leader criticised the EU and US for acting unilaterally.

    "We didn't agree to this when we discussed the joint resolution at the UN," Mr Medvedev told the Wall Street Journal.

    Russia this month agreed to back a fourth round of UN sanctions against Tehran, following months of US-led diplomacy.

    "A couple of years ago, that would have been impossible," Mr Medvedev said. "We should act collectively. If we do, we will have the desired result."

    The fresh EU sanctions approved in Brussels on Thursday include a ban on investments and technology transfers to Iran's key oil and gas industry - measures that go further than the latest UN sanctions.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    I want a no-drama Obama, not an emobama.
    Left's "disgruntleist" faction needs to take a chill pill.

    by amk for obama on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:39:51 AM PDT

    •  What the hell is Gates going on about?! (1+ / 0-)
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      Why would Iran fire "scores of missles" at Europe?  I'm sure Iran doesn't like the additional sanctions placed on them by the US and EU, but they have much bigger fish to fry in the Middle East - expanding their influence in Iraq, for instance, as we draw down our troops.  This is plain and simple fear-mongering by the SecDef, analogous to Bush and Tony Blair insisting that Iraq could bomb Britain within 20 minutes.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:51:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Can't Have the Dems Scoring A Knockout Punch (9+ / 0-)
    You gotta love it.  12 hours after a republican accidentally reveals that the entire republican party secretly wants to have sex in BP Oil, GOBP Goons in the media like David Gregory complicity show up with the ... "But there is a feeling inside the Corporate Sector that president Obama is becoming an enemy to business" ... meme.

    First of all, "small people" like me don't give a fuck what huge corporate business thinks as it relates to their finally...FINALLY...being threatened with some regulation.

    Secondly, if they WANT him to become an enemy, this is the surest way of making "small people" like me insist he does.

    Catholic Church: Example of Religion thats TOO BIG TO FAIL

    by Detroit Mark on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:44:40 AM PDT

  •  USA article seems to be old news (0+ / 0-)

    In fact the date appears to have been June 14?

    Anyway, it's based on a poll from last weekend and I don't think people would feel the same way today.

    www.tapestryofbronze.com and www.haikudiary.com

    by chloris creator on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:52:38 AM PDT

  •  Depositions. Rule 30(b)(6) (2+ / 0-)
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        = Crossposted in Cedwyn's Diary =

    .
    .
    The Federal Rules of Civil (litigation) Procedure and, as far as I know, virtually all State Rules, provides what's become known to lawyerdom as a "Rule 30(b)(6) Deposition."

    Here's the Rule, in its entirety:

    (6) Notice or Subpoena Directed to an Organization.

       

    In its notice or subpoena, a party may name as the deponent a public or private corporation, a partnership, an association, a governmental agency, or other entity and must describe with reasonable particularity the matters for examination. The named organization must then designate one or more officers, directors, or managing agents, or designate other persons who consent to testify on its behalf; and it may set out the matters on which each person designated will testify. A subpoena must advise a nonparty organization of its duty to make this designation. The persons designated must testify about information known or reasonably available to the organization. This paragraph (6) does not preclude a deposition by any other procedure allowed by these rules.

      If your eyes haven't overly glazed over and you're still with me, here's what it MEANS:  corporations/organizations/institutions, etc., are precluded from playing cagey, smart-ass, "shell games" with the other party('s attorney) in a lawsuit if they're notified that a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition is to be taken and if the other party sets out (rather specific) areas of examination.  

      Rule 30(b)(6) was instituted to prevent exactly this kind of bullshit that Hayward was pulling yesterday.  When a Rule 30(b)(6) deposition is properly noticed then the company/organization can't just put up its CEO and or other such smart ass and have them go, "Oh, that's another person who makes those decisions," and then you depose that other person (weeks or months later) and they go, "Ah, um, well, actually, I don't really have any oversight in that area.  That would be someone else's responsibility."  And then you take "someone else's" deposition and the whole thing just goes on ad infinitum while the company laughs its head off at the circles it's leading you in.

      No, when you do a proper Rule 30(b)(6) notification, if the person, whomever it may be, the company puts up for deposition says, "I don't know," then fine, then that's the person "most knowledgeable about whatever the matter at hand is and by them saying, "I don't know," that equals the company saying it "doesn't know" about, say, safety procedures, who o.k.'d a particular company action, employment policies, the way and manner in which the company trains its employees to handle disasters if they occur, etc.

    It's a handy tool when going after corporate malefactors.
    .

    "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

    by BenGoshi on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 04:55:10 AM PDT

    •  Provided That "After" Them Is Where You Actually (1+ / 0-)
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      want to go.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:42:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Uh, well, that's kind of the point. (0+ / 0-)

        .
         In a lawsuit where, say, one has brought a civil action against a company for sexually harassing an employee, injury due to a dangerous product, fraud, whatever the case may be, cutting through the shell games, smoke-n-mirrors shit, double-talk and "I don't recall" roadblocks and barriers to get down to the nut of the facts regarding things such as (1) who THE decision-maker(s) is/are regarding a particular act or omission or set of acts/omissions; (2) who wrote the policy; (3) who developed the protocol; (4) what the chain of command is; (5) when decisions were made; (6) who was responsible for investigating an allegation of malfeasance brought by an employee/consumer/witness; etc., etc., is, indeed, information one wants and needs to gather.

         One "goes after" another party in a lawsuit because, by definition, litigation is done by and through an adversarial system.

         A Congressional Committee "goes after" a corporate shitass like Hayward -- or should "go after" him -- because (a) his company's done great, and in many cases, irreparable, harm to the Gulf of Mexico and millions of Americans who live on or near it and/or make their livelihoods from it; and (b) he, Hayward, made the conscious decision to be evasive about his duties and his company's various acts and omissions leading up to, and in the wake of, this catastrophe.

        .

         

        "I have to go now. I feel . . . sticky." Anthony Bourdain

        by BenGoshi on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:28:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Question (0+ / 0-)

      In such cases, are the questions to be asked required to be submitted in advance so the designated party/parties can be prepared or should I say compelled to be prepared?

      I ask this to understand the law and also because I watched much of the proceeding and found Hayward answered appropriately to the questions as they were phrased. For example, questions such as "Did you know X" were asked, to which he answered "No" or "I don't know" (quite possibly the truth) and repeated ad nausea without rephrasing.
      He wa also asked some higly speculative questions to which he declined to speculate.

      I found it maddening, not bacuse Hayward was evasive (in some cases yes, others not) but becuase the people doing the questioning were is some cases apperently incapable of rephrasing is such a way that the questions counld not be deflected aand in others because they were so obviously try to score points in the most ammaturish fashion.

      It really bothered me beause it was such a wasted opportunity and the leads they should have sursued were so obvious, even with my own poor command of subtlies of English.

      In essence, they had their day of fun poking Hayward in the eye without landing any body blows.

      If you watch some of it I think you will understand what I mean.

      "Life immitates art, but takes license." - ko

      by koNko on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 07:51:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  OpEd: Shame on you, Bob Etheridge. An Apology? (1+ / 0-)
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    annieli

    Sorry congressman, an apology just won't do

    Jun. 16, 2010 There you are, walking down the street, when two polite young men pop up and shove video cameras in your puss and ask you sweetly to admit that you are a pawn of every evil plot hatched by the White House, and you have the nerve - the nerve! - to respond, "Who are you?"

    Then, when the polite young men refuse to answer, explaining they are young scholars involved in scholarly research, you not only refuse to let go of the chief inquisitor's wrist, you have the nerve - the nerve! - to fail to admit your guilt.

    Snip

    Shame on you, Bob Etheridge.

    For apologizing. {my bold} Continued

    If he was packin, like so many who misuse the second amendment want, I wonder if the GO{B}P, or those who still think they are, would be coming to his Defense if he shot one or both these 'young men??' for their assault on him on a street!!!! This Independent Applauds Bob Etheridge for defending himself against immature obnoxious so called young adults!!

    "What is the difference between an al Qaida terrorist and a misguided American terrorist?" "The planes they fly!"

    by jimstaro on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:02:38 AM PDT

  •  WEST WING WEEK 6/11 to 6/17 (0+ / 0-)

    I just love these West Wing Week reports.  It's a nice recap of the previous weeks activities.  The Saturday address rounds out the week.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/...

    We are prepared for battle. We'll grind it out, district by district, race by race. We have a story to tell. David Axelrod

    by Ladyhawk on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:03:12 AM PDT

  •  Krugman signals other slump implications (0+ / 0-)

    How bad will it be? Will it really be 1937 all over again? I don’t know. What I do know is that economic policy around the world has taken a major wrong turn, and that the odds of a prolonged slump are rising by the day.

    1937
    The League of Nations Non-Intervention Committee bans foreign nationals from fighting in the Spanish Civil War.
    Spanish Civil War: Guernica, Spain is bombed. In his report of the Falangist attack on Guernica, British journalist George Steer reports finding German bomb casings, connecting Luftwaffe planes with the attack.
    Sino-Japanese War – Battle of Lugou Bridge (aka Marco Polo Bridge Incident): Japanese forces invade China (often seen as the beginning of World War II in Asia).
    Spanish Civil War – 35,000 Republican supporters are massacred in Piedrafita de Babia, near León.
    World War II: In the Reich Chancellery, Adolf Hitler holds a secret meeting and states his plans for acquiring "living space" for the German people (Hossbach Memorandum).

    "...calling for a 5" deck gun is not parody. Not by a long shot." (gnaborretni)

    by annieli on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:05:48 AM PDT

  •  Reality, not Republicans, is screwing Republicans (2+ / 0-)
    WaPo:

    ... To some Republicans, the defense of the oil industry has more to do with their belief in free enterprise and their wariness of regulation ... The debate over drilling has been a core part of their argument for less government. This may not be the best moment to be making that argument, either.

    This is a key concept, and we need more recognition of just how badly Republicans are screwing themselves.

    Reality, not Republicans, is screwing Republicans. Republican ideology is face-planting into reality: There are no limits to human greed, or selfishness, or lust for money and power. If you indulge them, they will consume you.

    Greed is not good. There is no invisible hand. The markets will not correct themselves. Government plays a central and indispensible role in civilization.

    Duh.

    The invasion of Iraq was a war crime, a crime against humanity, and a crime against civilization. Prosecute the crime.

    by Positronicus on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:09:22 AM PDT

  •  dave wegiel: WTF???? (3+ / 0-)
    the oil spill is a 'natural disaster'?????

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:24:10 AM PDT

  •  Greatly appreciated summary as always! (0+ / 0-)

    Brooks is only worth reading in summary form as usual, "natural" disaster comment is still really offensive even a couple of my non-American colleagues had heard it this morning, and the Pelosi roses comment made me laugh.  Thanks!

    (Sadly, in Kathmandu no longer.)

    by American in Kathmandu on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:24:47 AM PDT

  •  Funny thing about politics (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Egalitare

    Republicans are using terms like shakedown in describing Obama's actions while many on this site and media pundits are describing him as a political eunuch.  Seems that he can't please anyone.

    It reminds me of an old Mad magazine cartoon from the 60's that showed a George Wallace type shaking hands with a Black separatist type with a caption that said, in effect, isn't it great that in America people from such different backgrounds can agree on so much?  

  •  Joe Barton Ran the Committee for Bush (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    SueDe

    Joe Barton is the "Ranking Member" of the House Energy & Commerce Committee. That means that before Democrats took back the House majority, Barton was Committee Chair under the Republican majority, from 2004-2006.

    Joe Barton was in charge of creating the deregulation timebomb.

    I hope some mass media outlet uses more than its gossip reporting to figure that out and mention it to the public. Joe Barton is the person most responsible for letting BP drill its way into catastrophe, after BP itself, and along with Senate Energy & Natural Resources Committee Chair Pete Domenici and of course Bush & Cheney.

    Where is the reporting that shows Barton is the one who should apologize? Because our political system doesn't make his running (and ruining) America's energy oversight through the depths of the Bush regime a crime. Or maybe it does...

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:34:40 AM PDT

    •  Correction. (0+ / 0-)

      Barton was chairman of the energy & commerce committee from 1994 to 2006 - 12 years - not 2004 to 2006, only two years.  He's been hell-bent on deregulation since he was elected in the '80s.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:59:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  My mistake, DocGonzo, (2+ / 0-)
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        you are correct - Barton served as committee chairman only two years, 2004-2006.  Lo siento.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:18:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Barton: Energy Chair 2005-2006 (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        Though Barton was in Congress since 1994, and on the Committee, he was Commitee Chair from only 2005-2006, in the 109th Congress. Before him, Tauzin (R-LA) was chair until he resigned in February 2004.

        Barton was hellbent on deregulation since he was elected in 1985. Prior to that Barton was a "White House Fellow" under Reagan's first Energy Secretary. Barton was the primary House author of Cheney's 2005 Energy Law.

        But it's pretty clear that the Rebpubplican BParty has a very deep bench of energy deregulators.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:07:44 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  You've Only Screwed Yourself When Your Market (0+ / 0-)

    has been given good alternatives.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 05:43:23 AM PDT

  •  Hidden talking points: (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    happymisanthropy

    The oil spill in the Gulf is this nation’s largest natural disaster

    Oh.

    NATURAL

    disaster?

    Really? Not

    INDUSTRIAL

    disaster?

    Not

    OIL INDUSTRY

    disaster?

  •  But Dem, Brooks is right. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    I read just yesterday that barges sent out from Louisiana to suck oil off the surface of the water -- barges that had collected substantial amounts of oil from and near the surface -- had been ordered to stand down by the Coast Guard.

    The reason? They wanted to confirm that the barges were adequately equipped with fire extinguishers and life vests.  A day later, they were given clearance to go back out, but why lose the day?

    Rage stews best in a pot of helplessness and frustration, and the administration has put itself in the cross-hairs, right along with BP.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:45:30 AM PDT

    •  safety considerations don't change (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      working in >100 degree weather while there are ongoing safety concerns for crew and workers needs periodic inspection. it isn't random disruption for disruption's sake.

      Some of the local complaints are very legit, but...

      "Why don't they let us build sand berms?" because they are ineffective.

      "Why won't they just suspend all safety concerns and let us do our job?" because allowing people to get sick isn't our job. NIOSH, OSHA and other agencies don't stop inspecting. The last thing we need is a capsized boat with no life preservers adding to the tragedy.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:47:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yeah, I guess all that floating oil is not a (0+ / 0-)

        safety concern for anybody.

        Besides -- nobody says that the barges didn't have the equipment and nobody says that it was acquired in the 24 hour down period.

        Maybe, maybe not, but...

        Seems to me that Coast Guard boats carry both.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 09:13:37 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  read my comment (0+ / 0-)

          it's railing at the big bad government in a completely meaningless way.

          The NYT story as well as the WaPo (on the tough spot for oil-friendly GOP) shows why. The alternative would be to admit FL (tourism, not oil) got it right and LA got it wrong by building their economy around oil. Much better to rail at Obama, they don't like him anyway.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 09:41:15 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Pres Rule #1, don't look powerless; BO look weak? (0+ / 0-)

    The NeoCon's Potemkin Village is fading away. Our MANTRA: This is GOPs fault!

    by Churchill on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 06:51:22 AM PDT

  •  Media Outrage (0+ / 0-)

    For weeks the media has treated us to a non-stop series of lamenting of how President Obama was failing to express the proper amount of outrage towards BP.  Well, now we have Joe Barton and other republicans unequivocally supporting, defending and apologizing to BP.  This is no isolated incident.  Not only have republicans failed to express their anger towards BP, they have unabashedly put the interests of BP ahead of the people of the Gulf.

    Can we now assume that the media will lament at least an equal amount of outrage towards republicans for their failure to express a modicum of anger towards BP?  Will they take republicans to the woodshed for their unyielding support of BP?  Will they highlight the fact that it is these same BP defenders who hold the rest of the country hostage in addressing global warming and who are blocking our path towards a green future?  It will be interesting to see the response or non-response from those in the media in the coming days and weeks.

  •  Don't know who wrote that NYT opinion (1+ / 0-)
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    but, while the very recent handling of BP has been a great improvment, the comparisons of FDR are absurd.

    This president really needs to earn his own creds on these things, and quit trying to borrow the ones of Teddy Roosevelt, FDR and JFK, and people need to stop placing these mantles on him when he has not earned them yet and in fact in some cases is the very opposite of the presidents they equate him with.  

    The BP escrow fund is a great accomplishment.  But it's only a step in the right direction -- much, much more needs to be done.  This is not even close to being over.  Save the congratulations and the FDR comparisons for when we are able to see real results, with some perspective.

    FDR? Up until now he's avoided the FDR philosophy like the plague.  Let's make sure this is the real deal.

  •  Note to Weigel: IT IS NOT a NATURAL Disaster (0+ / 0-)

    It is wholly a BP-made disaster and it was their negligence and greed that made it happen.

    If they would have done their job there would not be oil all over the Gulf of Mexico.

    And like I tell my kids. It was also NOT AN ACCIDENT.

    When you break a glass juggling crystal blindfolded it is NOT an accident it is the logical and likely result.

    "You know, just because the thing I saw wasn't there doesn't mean there wasn't something there that I didn't see." Ann Althouse, Conservative Thoughtmeister

    by Bill Section 147 on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 08:32:50 AM PDT

  •  Was Barton Drunk or Drugged Yesterday? ? (1+ / 0-)
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    If the Dems retain their majority, Nancy Pelosi should send Barton a rose for every Democrat who wins.

    Yea,  But not before they are dipped in British Puke.

    We are all Fish in the Gulf

    by olo on Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 10:11:41 AM PDT

  •  I'm tired of the whining about FDR (0+ / 0-)

    Does anyone who writes shit like this actually know any history? FDR was the product of a time where radical communist and socialist and fascist revolutions were occurring, and where socialist and labor movements were very strong in the USA, and his rhetoric was CALM and MEASURED compared to what was going on amongst the out-of-work men all over the world who were instigating revolutions.

    Fucking A, people, come on, get a grip. This is not the 1930's. There is no way Obama could sound like FDR, because the country is totally different. We live in a right-wing-media-controlled world, where 30% of the country doesn't even believe in evolution, where only a tiny fraction of the workforce is unionized, where there are no credible socialist movements going on, where the Senate is controlled by idiot Republicans and DINO's, where only a thin majority is even holding up the progressive efforts that we can acheive, in a world that is dominated by corporations, banks, and "free market" right-wing stupidity.

    IF YOU WANT FDR, TRAVEL BACK TO THE 1930's. THIS IS IS NOT THE 1930'S AND NO SANE POLITICIAN IS GOING TO SOUND LIKE FDR. Shit, even the rhetoric of Sanders, Grayson, and Kucinich is very, very mild compared to what was being discussed in everyday conversation in the 1930's.

    People, get a fucking grip. FDR's howls of indignation were reflective of the majority opinion, and way much mellower than what progressives of the day were saying.

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