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Gallup:

No Sign That Obama's Overall Job Approval Rating Has Been Significantly Affected

The trend data show a four-point increase in approval of Obama's handling of the oil spill between Gallup's June 5-6 poll and the June 19-20 poll. These results suggest a possibly slight benefit to Obama from his recent visits to the Gulf region, culminating in his nationally televised address from the Oval Office last Tuesday.

There is less evidence that the oil spill has affected Obama's standing in the public's eye from a comparison of his weekly overall job approval average before the BP spill on April 20 with his average after the spill. Obama's ratings have been slightly lower in the last four weeks than they were in the four weeks prior to that, but his average in either time period is not much different from his 48% average in the four weeks immediately prior to the spill.

Pew:

Obama's Ratings Little Affected by Recent Turmoil
Since the beginning of this year, President Obama has signed a controversial health care measure, coped with a stubbornly high jobless rate, and struggled to manage the largest environmental disaster in the nation’s history. In that period, Obama’s overall job approval rating has moved from 49% to 48%.

So, logically what conclusion would you draw?

As Brendan Nyhan at pollster.com writes (he gives a few examples from MSNBC, whose latest poll is driving the current narrative):

The narrative that President Obama's approval ratings are being heavily damaged by the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is quickly overwhelming the critical faculties of the media.

Google Obama+oil spill+poll to see the narrative spill over beyond MSNBC.

If you ever wondered why bloggers blog, you're looking at it. You can't leave something as important as facts to the media. And the media really need to read something other than their own polls.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Bad news .... (10+ / 0-)

    for some here.

    BP - Proving Oil and Water do mix.
    A Presidency Among the Vuvuzelas.
    Left's "disgruntleist" faction needs to take a chill pill.

    by amk for obama on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:51:24 AM PDT

  •  Well they have decided that the Obama admin (10+ / 0-)

    response to the spill was too slow. That's now a nugget of conventional wisdom, said if it's accepted and unequivocally true. So I guess whatever they say, is true.

  •  If (9+ / 0-)

    you go to Gallup and compare Obama's ratings at this point in his Presidency to that of Reagan's at the same point, Obama is actually polling BETTER than the sainted Reagan.  Few people are talking about that.

    http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

    •  Nor will they. (7+ / 0-)

      .. there is no "librul" media.  It's right wing all the way.

    •  Reagan was in the middle of a recession that (0+ / 0-)

      ended. Looking at the numbers without context tells us nothing. Obama is facing an economic down turn that even his own people say will not end until 2013. Some are saying thats a wishful thinking projection, and, that we are more likely to face a lost decade. The question is whether the party can sustain a long term economic down turn such as is being described? Anyone looking at the numbers now, we have been the same during what should be his honeymoon period, to tell what it will look like down the road since no modern president or party has faced sustained economic decline is making a bad mistake. The media may or may not be right, but the real issue is not them. It is that we face a wholly different situation for which the past may not be as helpful other than understanding that the public tends to punish the party in charge when the economy is bad, and if the economy is bad for a decade,w hat does that mean for us?

  •  You make (8+ / 0-)

    Chuck Todd cry.

    The Teabaggers are the GOP base

    by stevej on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:53:37 AM PDT

  •  Pollster Obama Job Approval in 2010 (4+ / 0-)

    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:55:14 AM PDT

  •  Not just the media (9+ / 0-)

    the narrative is also happily adopted by Obama's "critics" who just "want to push Obama to the left".

  •  As Chris Rock told Jon Stewart...'You can't leave (5+ / 0-)

    ...where would we get our news from?'

  •  So much for the liberal media! (10+ / 0-)

    Obama's favorability ratings are higher than Reagan's at comparable points in their presidencies.  That's right, higher.  Yet the media spin on Reagan was always that he was incredibly popular, and the conventional wisdom on Obama is that he is not so popular.  Go figure.  

  •  or (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GN1927, Matt Z, Eric Nelson

    They should read their own polls. Because their own facts refute their narrative.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:02:02 AM PDT

  •  What a great diary (14+ / 0-)

    Thank you for setting the record straight.  IMO people should not credulously absorb the narratives of the traditional media.  I sure didn't during Bushism, and I am set in my ways, refusing to do so now as there is no demonstrable change in the propensity to report sensationalism and resort to false equivalencies between the parties.  A lot of the reporting is simply terrific, but there is some reporting which is not!

    If you ever wondered why bloggers blog, you're looking at it. You can't leave something as important as facts to the media. And the media really need to read something other than their own polls.

    Amen!!!

    climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

    by GN1927 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:04:29 AM PDT

  •  Presidency in 'Collapse' (6+ / 0-)

    according to the drivel of Hannity (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,595292,00.html). Gah, that made me throw up in my mouth a little. I was irritated statements I saw the other day practically demanding Obama to "step down". Yeah, like that would help...

  •  Tweety and Fineman were sputtering and spewing (13+ / 0-)

    Wednesday evening about some "who's running the gummit" nonsense. They both were incensed. Babbling to point where they were incomprenhensible. Only their rage got through.

    Capitalism thrives on raising funds on assets that have no value.

    by A Runner on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:05:29 AM PDT

  •  But, just this morning Chris Wallace (6+ / 0-)

    previewed his Sunday show on Fox this morning on our local Fox affiliate, KTTV, by saying that he was going to talk about Obama's "tanking poll numbers." You know something's up, right?

  •  But but but . . . (6+ / 0-)

    I read in a DKos diary that Obama was dooooooomed!

    In the choice between changing ones mind and proving there's no need to do so, most people get busy on the proof.

    by jsfox on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:07:02 AM PDT

  •  It's Obama's Katrina (6+ / 0-)

    I know this because the Corporate Media says so.

    "Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend" - Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:07:49 AM PDT

  •  Am I reading this right? (0+ / 0-)

    Most of Obama's numbers are going down and some think they're going up?  

    This really is a strange place.  

    •  actually some of his numbers are going down (5+ / 0-)
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      Nina, GN1927, Matt Z, moonpal, Eric Nelson

      slightly and most are within our friend the Margin of Error (form NBC/WSJ  that would be +/- 3.1). Twice the margin of error is a big f**** deal, to quote Biden, less than 6, not so much.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:20:30 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

        actually some of his numbers are going down

        Obama's personal image numbers are taking a hit.  Of course this doesn't reflect his handling of McChrystal which should probably make his numbers go up.  

        Regardless, how are stagnant/downward trending numbers a good thing?  

        The point here is it really doesn't matter what I think, you think, the pundits think, "what Tweety thinks, etc.  

        The public isn't happy and that's all that matters.  

        •  I think you got it wrong (0+ / 0-)

          Obama relatively steady, drops in personal characteristcs notwithstanding, his numbers are still pretty good, and Congress gets the brunt of it.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:08:38 AM PDT

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          •  I think you're creating your own narrative here (0+ / 0-)

            The only one you're fooling is yourself.  Which is your privilege.  

            Take a second look at the numbers that went up. They went from abysmal to bad.  

            A 3% increase isn't a good number if the starting point was 30% (immigration).  

            Even healthcare's big 4% "jump" took Obama from 38% to 42%.  

            Face reality. The numbers are not good.  The numbers are telling the story.  

            •  sorry (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Nina, smartdemmg

              I don't mind someone disagreeing with me but I hate people that can't read and then accuse me of making stuff up.

              let me do it again, but slower:

              Gallup: No Sign That Obama's Overall Job Approval Rating Has Been Significantly Affected

              Pew: Obama's Ratings Little Affected by Recent Turmoil

              Those are two respected pollsters, and you're arguing with me about Pew numbers. Read what Pew said. And I don't write their copy.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:50:56 AM PDT

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              •  You can get as insulting as you want ............ (1+ / 0-)
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                DemFromCT

                ..... however, it doesn't change the numbers one bit.  

                Big "effen" deal Obama's numbers have changed little.  Going up 3 percentage points when you start out at 30% doesn't mean Obama's doing well.  It means the public perceives Obama as doing a lousy job albeit a little bit less lousy.  

                Gallup: No Sign That Obama's Overall Job Approval Rating Has Been Significantly Affected

                Here's what that means:  It means Obama is going nowhere.  Nothing is changing the public's perception.  If the public's perception is he's doing a so-so job, that perception hasn't changed.  

                And the numbers back up that conclusion.

                Obama is neither getting a bounce, nor is he taking a hit.  Btw, one would think Obama would get a bounce from his BP deal.  Didn't happen.

                Obama may get a bounce with the McChrystal firing and he should.  But, again, that remains to be seen.  

                FYI, if your contention is the media pundits are acting like media pundits in a 24/7 media environment, you'd be dead on.  

                If you're contention is Obama is doing just fine, you're dead wrong.  

                This is all about numbers.  And the numbers aren't good.  

                •  the reason youer interpretation is so wrong (2+ / 0-)
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                  Nina, ThAnswr

                  is because Obama's at 47-48 on job paproval, hiugher on personal characteristics, even after dropping points from beginning of year . Your point would be truer if he were in the 30's - but he's not. It's got nothing to do with being insulting. Those are the numbers. And as peter hart put it, "These numbers aren’t good. But they are far from awful."

                  FYI, if your contention is the media pundits are acting like media pundits in a 24/7 media environment, you'd be dead on.  

                  That is exactly my contention.

                  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                  by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 12:58:59 PM PDT

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                  •  Here's my interpretation ............ (0+ / 0-)

                    ...... it doesn't matter what the 24/7 media says.  It doesn't matter what the GOP says.  

                    The only thing that matters is what the public says.  

                    Far too many seem to be "seeking solace" in historical numbers from past presidents.  It doesn't matter.  

                    This is a different time and a different public.  

                    hiugher on personal characteristics

                    No, his personal characteristic numbers all went down from 2%-9% since January.  

                    Now, here's why the numbers should be troubling.  The economy is still trouble.  Millions are still out of work. Foreclosure is still a problem in many parts of the country.  

                    The public doesn't feel flush.  

                    Unless something turns these numbers around, the Democrats are in trouble.  And there is nothing on the horizon pointing to solutions.  

                    •  we are not far away in opinion, but... (1+ / 0-)
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                      ThAnswr

                      as a single snapshot, the personal characteristics are not the job approval numbers. The job approval numbers have not changed much at all. That's Obama, not Congress, and Congress is where Dems get into trouble. So, don't conflate the two.

                      What personal characteristics do is buy you some time. 56% (now) is strong still and gets you some slack cut... which is exactly why his approval numbers are stable and not dropping (and that's why Pew says what it does).

                      OTOH, Congress is up for re-elect, not Obama. Obama is not in trouble. Congress should be nervous.

                      But whereas the public is restless, they really do not like the GOP. That's crystal clear in the polling numbers (Chuck Todd added that last night in his round-up and it is the wild card for nov). so, since typical losses are 20-30, the question on the table is does Congress stay D controlled?

                      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 02:19:31 PM PDT

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                      •  No, we're not very far at all (0+ / 0-)

                        Let's be realistic:  If success in November depended on running a "national race" and a referendum on Obama, the Congressional Democrats would be doing just that.  

                        They aren't and that in and of itself points to trouble with the Obama administration.  

                        The job approval numbers have not changed much at all.

                        Obama should have received a bounce with the BP deal.  He didn't or it was very minor.  Even when the news is good, Obama is not reaping the benefits.  

                        That is very troubling. Why can't Obama seal the deal with the public?  It's question to ponder.

                        •  again, I don't quite agree (0+ / 0-)

                          What you are saying is Obama's coattails aren't that long. So what? Midterms are not national elections. trying to make them into national elections when all politics is local is why Murtha's old seat went D and not R in the special election in PA.

                          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 03:12:38 PM PDT

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                          •  Please, let's be realistic (0+ / 0-)

                            If Obama had any coattails this November, aka: a record worth using,  the Democratic party would be using it.

                            This is politics.  You run with the best you can muster.  Obama's record is not the best to run with.

                            Btw, Murtha was in a district in which old school Democrats outnumbered Republicans.  I'm not quite sure of the point here.  The shocker would have been if a Republican had won in a Democratic distric and not if a Democrat won in a Democratic district.  

                          •  you're not following this close enough (0+ / 0-)

                            the GOP thought they had that seat won, but they made the mistake of running a national election while the Dem ran a local one. That's how Critz beat Burns.

                            Look for that pattern all fall as Rs try to make this a referendum and Ds try to make this a choice election - with the GOP as the other choice.

                            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                            by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 04:13:30 PM PDT

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                          •  I would expect nothing else (0+ / 0-)

                            Look for that pattern all fall as Rs try to make this a referendum and Ds try to make this a choice election - with the GOP as the other choice.

                            Of course, the GOP will try to make it a national refendum on Obama and the Democrats in general.  

                            But, with high unemployment and general unease, the GOP will probably succeed.  

                          •  you get the last word ;-) (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            ThAnswr

                            Cheers!

                            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                            by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 06:52:55 PM PDT

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    •  Not really....we're living in a culture (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ThAnswr, Eric Nelson

      which believes if you say it, it's true.  Thus the totally opposite ideas of creationism and evolution; Obama's doing better--Obama's failing; the Rethuglicans are going to take the House in November--the Rethuglicans are in total disarray.  See how easy it is?  Just say it and it's so.....sort of like a Disney fairy tale.  Pretty much what politics is these days--or a nightmare.  Pick your poison.

  •  Speaking of narratives... (6+ / 0-)

    about how well the GOP is supposed to do in November, I had this guy spam my Facebook wall with that bullshit Al Gore story that even the National Enquirer wouldn't touch, wherein he makes this laughable claim, talking about Elaine Marshall (NC-Sen race):

    No Republican incumbent except Cao is going to lose. Bank on it. Once the people see she's another liberal she's toast. She'll be another Coakley, without the tire iron.

    I pointed out HI-01's Charles Djou as another example, so he's already wrong there.  :-)  As for knocking out Republican incumbents, yeah, there are slim pickings, because we picked off almost all the vulnerable ones in 2006 and 2008.  The key races are mostly open seat races.

  •  a lot of "journalists" are frustrated novelists (6+ / 0-)
    ...and, because "news" is largely entertainment nowadays and they want ratings, they try to craft a narrative and impose a "plot" on reality.

    "This is what happened... but it'd be much more interesting if this happened instead!  That'd make the news a little more like The Sopranos or Breaking Bad."

    It's not reporting on what real people do anymore, it's "What drama can we build around these characters?"

    So, they try to make the data fit the "plot twist" they've already chosen... and if they have to lie to do it, then they will.  They don't care about anything but that the story they're telling is intriguing.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:11:56 AM PDT

    •  That's exactly right (4+ / 0-)

      Drama sells, but it has a very deleterious impact upon this country in the long run.  I really believe that the media (caveat: absolutely, not everyone), by cultivating a drama addiction in us, and promoting politics as an entertainment special, is doing a disservice to the country.  Eventually Dems are going to have to provide some drama in order to fend off the GOP, but it's really sad that Fox's "fair and balanced" model of reporting bullshit sprinkled with credibility-preserving facts here and there seems to be replicating.

      climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

      by GN1927 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:18:45 AM PDT

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      •  yep, and much of the public is culpable (5+ / 0-)

        A lot of viewers (especially FOX fans) have made it clear that what they want is "reporting" that's geared to what they already think.  They want their views supported, not challenged by truth.

        They want a steady diet of "comfort news."   And that's not healthy...

        "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

        by Front Toward Enemy on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:25:03 AM PDT

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  •  And you wonder why the nuts run the asylum? (0+ / 0-)
    Just as Obama was handed a deficit with a bottomless pit, and TARP initiated before he took office by 6 months, nearly a trillion in graft to Chalabi, Allawi, Musharaf, Karzai and family, heck they all have extended families like the Saudis, and two tax cuts to multi billionaires, the Teabaggers prove they have something more than tea in their cups, in my opinion.
    Did you know Sharron Angle's husband was a 37 year employee of the evil gubment she rails against. Talk about looking the gift horse in the mouth. But take a busybody, who prostitute's Jesus for personal and political gain, in my opinion, and you have a toxic stew of crazy, dangerous wackos, in the mold of McVeigh.
    Heck, all child molesters have to do is move to the border of Arizona and Utah, which is the hub of the Mormon child marrying cultist, in my opinion, and bring enough money to bribe the Grand Poobah, and they are in. The police let this sick perversion continue, yet you can't expect the local yokels to do anything, they are in with them, but i would expect more from the State police or the Justice Department.
    Watch LINKTV, they run a great documentary about how the teenage boys are run off the property when they get old enough to want to date, but like a Lion's Pride, they don't kill, but run off the competition for the young girl cousins, for the fat 50s to have for their own.
  •  strong leader INCR w/McChrystal; sadly necessary (0+ / 0-)

    if you really want civilian control of the military, or actually, the appearance of it.  Of course the military gets over 40 percent of our federal budget so without a doubt there is a large amount of control of our government my the military.

    We've failed, all of us, me included. We didn't get in the Conserva-Dems faces enough about their sell-outs, cave-ins, and corporate welfare

    by Churchill on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:22:53 AM PDT

  •  If you listen to Chris Matthews (6+ / 0-)

    you get the impression that there won't be any Democrats left in Washington after November.

    He shifts with the slightest breeze.

    •  unemployed mad at gov for cutting off benefits (0+ / 0-)

      but that might go away after awhile.  I know, don't hammer me please, that the GOP blocked extending UI benefits, but it seems like the Dems are in control of congress and consequently it is the Dems fault.  

      Perception becomes reality very rapidly.

      We've failed, all of us, me included. We didn't get in the Conserva-Dems faces enough about their sell-outs, cave-ins, and corporate welfare

      by Churchill on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:29:37 AM PDT

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      •  well? (2+ / 0-)
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        the GOP blocked extending UI benefits

        They had a little help, didn't they?

        But it seems like the Dems are in control of congress and consequently it is the Dems fault.  

        It seems that way, because that Librul Media keeps repeating it ;)

        Yeah, we're pissed, but at least WE don't have to make shit up like teabaggers do...

        by o the umanity on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:32:32 AM PDT

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        •  when your UI check is cutoff, you blame whomever (0+ / 0-)

          is in charge.  I think it's stupid, but that's the way it is.

          We've failed, all of us, me included. We didn't get in the Conserva-Dems faces enough about their sell-outs, cave-ins, and corporate welfare

          by Churchill on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:39:05 AM PDT

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          •  agreed; what I'm saying is (0+ / 0-)

            it IS "our side's fault" for its leadership not making it damned clear that there will be repercussions for these so-called "Democrats" to vote against our own interests.

            Yeah, we're pissed, but at least WE don't have to make shit up like teabaggers do...

            by o the umanity on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 12:21:29 PM PDT

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  •  If you actually believe pew instead of gallup, (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Churchill

    zogby, and yes even razzy, then November is going to be even more of a let down.

  •  More than not just looking at their own polls, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, Eric Nelson

    your diary shows that they to stop cherry picking which poll they are willing to look at - based on their narrative of choice.

    Here, they are obviously buildding a parallel between the spill and Katrina. They ignore that, other than being disasters and in the Gulf, they are extremely different. With Katrina, for the most part it was dealing with the aftermath. The problem was known and the needs were known.

    With the oil spill, our scientist, within the government, at universities and in the oil companies do not know exactly what will work - they can evaluate what should work. In addition, there are many things that are completely unknown here. It is also on-going.

  •  Another Chris Mathews Guest spin.Michelle Bernard (1+ / 0-)
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    Nina

    "The musings have been.what happens, because the Presidents hardest..harshest critics have been from the hard left ..that people are saying he hasn't delivered on Gitmo or Afghanistan..All of a suddenHilary Clinton has actually finally eclipsed him in job approval/unfavoable [sic] ratings.
    The question has been what if.." -  Michelle Bernard - emphsis added

    Hardest critics..hard left..really Michelle.. not the Republicans/teabags?

    Michelle is an Independant to embarassed to carry the Republican label IMHO

    I don't want your country back..I want my country forward - Bill Maher

    by Eric Nelson on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:39:30 AM PDT

  •  polls are the bane of my existance (0+ / 0-)

    it would be so cool if people just did what they felt was right... so we could see people for who they are. Instead of pandering to what some graph tells them.

  •  Thank you so much, namesake (0+ / 0-)

    I'm looking for the poll that used to be posted on the top left. Not all blogs can afford those, so I'm an interloper :)

    Your narrative was confusing. You seem to blame the MSM for the Obama Toast spin, and say "thank heavens for objective blogger." But IMO, bloggers are doing a brilliant job in ratcheting UP the spin.

    Despite nonsense claims that I and others are bubblicious, I CAN see poll results for POTUS that are not good. Appreciate your efforts, and hope you are well. Your work could be cross posted, BTW.

    Also in sweltering CT

    •  lots of questions there ;-) (1+ / 0-)
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      anotherCt Dem

      the Research2000 poll has been pulled, pending hiring another pollster. Kos will have more to say when we do.

      I do blame the media for the "Obama is toast" theme, whioch is overdone. Congress is another story. The public is unhappy, congress is held in low esteem, and Obama's numbers are still pretty steady.

      So, how are bloggers ratcheting 'up' the spin, exactly?

      Peter hart, the D pollster who does the NBC/WSJ poll with an R pollster,  said it best: those numbers are not good but far from awful.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:06:15 AM PDT

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      •  Hi (0+ / 0-)

        Thanks for the answers. If I didn't know DKos as well as I do, I would definately come away with some "memes" that fit thr Thug worldview: Obama is weak, his "base" is the extreme left as repped by Kossacks, FDL, etc, and because he b
        "betrayed" them, his poll numbers are gasping for air, etc.

        OFA, to me reps his base, and some of them have not even heard of dkos. The Dems I talk to are completely supportive of him and feel his is trying to work with hands tied behind him due to the MSM (they do not blame progs, because they are unaware of this faction)and the Repubs and LIFE, which, believe it or not, he has no executive orders for which to sign.

        May I go OT? Something less speculative: just read the good news about stem cell research at UCONN. Go CT!

  •  Just emailed this poll to Chuck T & Chris M (0+ / 0-)

    Simply stated....JUST THE FACTS!!!

    Join me if you like

    Chuck.Todd@nbcuni.com
    hardball@msnbc.com

  •  Ah, Kabuki, Thy Science is Statistics! (0+ / 0-)

    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king; in the land of the braindead, the intelligent person is cast as the village idiot."

    by dendron gnostic on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:04:49 AM PDT

  •  Media Beginning to re-Write Its Own Narrative (0+ / 0-)

    on this president's and Democrats accomplishments.

    Couldthis president's and Democrats accomplishments it be that Congress and the president have determined?that dragging kicking and screaming Republicans along with them is a failing strategy, while cutting and running ahead without them is a winning one?

    "ingratiation and access . . . are not corruption." -- Justice Kennedy (Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 2010)

    by Limelite on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:07:37 AM PDT

  •  "oil rigs today generally don’t cause spil (0+ / 0-)

    They are technologically very advanced. Even during Katrina, the spills didn’t come from the oil rigs, they came from the refineries onshore.
    http://seminal.firedoglake.com/...

    will he ever live that one down.

    KIERAN SUCKLING: Yeah, I mean, I think what the President has said here is actually just very, very critical, because he is repeating, and I suspect without even knowing it, the big lie of offshore oil drilling. For decades, the oil companies and the Minerals Management Services have told us, ‘Oil drilling is safe, it’s fine, that’s not where oil spills come from.’ In fact, that’s the basis of not doing any environmental review is, you simply assert it will never be a problem, therefore, you don’t even have to study it. When it’s true that they don’t leak often, but when they do leak, it’s absolutely catastrophic. It’s very similar to nuclear power plants. They don’t often fail, but when they fail it’s catastrophic. And, therefore, you have to plan for catastrophe. You have to do very intensive environmental analysis, not simply say, ’It’s rare, so we can ignore it.’

    We've failed, all of us, me included. We didn't get in the Conserva-Dems faces enough about their sell-outs, cave-ins, and corporate welfare

    by Churchill on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:10:16 AM PDT

  •  For Your General Media Amusement (0+ / 0-)

    "ingratiation and access . . . are not corruption." -- Justice Kennedy (Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 2010)

    by Limelite on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:12:06 AM PDT

  •  I honestly believe that the only reason Obama's (2+ / 0-)
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    ratings aren't through the roof with APPROVAL (should be in the 80+ range by now, IMHO!) is because "You can't leave something as important as facts to the media."   That says it all for me.

    If the media REPORTED THE FACTS, this president would be incredibly popular in every regard.  But the corporate media is busy reporting either outright lies or just dismissing, ignoring and misinforming the public about what President Obama is doing every single day.

    And he's STILL popular!  Unbelievable.  I guess the majority of Americans just aren't stoopid enough to believe everything the corporate media tells them to believe.

    It's Big Oil's Disaster, no matter how much the opposition wishes it was Obama's.

    by Little Lulu on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:19:42 AM PDT

  •  critical faculties of the media? that is an (2+ / 0-)
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    oxymoron!  MSNBC is only interested in ratings, meaning beating FOX and CNN for audience share, and that my friends, goes for the left's heroes, Shultz, Olberman and Maddow as well.

    NBC is in the midst of a major transfer of ownership and everyone's job is on the line.

    Reality has no place in this scenario.

  •  Graphic: Presidential Ratings Truman thru GWB (2+ / 0-)
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    askew, Nina

    http://online.wsj.com/...

    This graphic is awesome. It's on my refrigerator (place of highest honor). You can look at the particular Presidents by using the buttons at left.

    This completely demolishes the "Obama FAIL" narrative, but creating tension out of thin air is the media's bread and butter.

    "All politics is national."

    by Auriandra on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:46:03 AM PDT

  •  I think, purposely, (1+ / 0-)
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    Lady Bird Johnson

    Obama is treading water.  I suspect he is making decisions to poll exactly as he is.  Paint the republicans as bad and steer a very middle course.  That is the strategy going forward.

    Denial is complicity.

    by Publius2008 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:48:08 AM PDT

  •  You sit on a throne of lies (0+ / 0-)

    "Seventy-one percent (71%) of U.S. Voters rate the government’s response to the Gulf oil leak as at least somewhat important in terms of how they will vote in November, with 35% who say it is Very Important."

    If this 2000+ page bill gets passed here soon, that's only going to add more fuel to the fire.  Here's a tip, when Fannie Mae and FMac was one of the primary causes to the housing meltdown, maybe you should do something to address them!  Oh heck no, that just makes too much sense

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/...

    How come Obama and Congress get a pass for their deficit spending on this site, but Bush didn't?

    by Raviohli on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:59:17 PM PDT

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