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OK, I'm venting...

I just read this in HuffPo:

   President Barack Obama will keep pressing Congress to pass the bill, his spokesman said. But Democrats haven't shown they can come up with the votes.

   That's leading Democrats to consider breaking the jobless aid measure from the catchall bill and try to pass it as a stand-alone $33 billion measure next week before leaving Washington for a weeklong Independence Day recess. Key Senate Republicans, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine, are pressing the idea.

   But a Reid spokesman said the majority leader is committed to passing a Wall Street reform bill next week and predicted Republicans would block any move to do a stand-alone jobless aid bill after that measure passes.

Hang on, let me catch my breath...OK, here we go;

There are millions of people that have been without a check for nearly a month, rent is coming due, utilities, car payments, etc. and Senator Reid has decided that it is MORE important to, once again, focus his effort on the one industry that got us into this mess. An industry that got nearly a trillion dollars (that was not paid for) BEFORE he attempts to bring a stand alone unemployment bill to the floor. THEN, the Senate will leave for a week to go party for the 4th of July.

Hang on, my blood pressure is rising...1, 2, 3, 4, 5...OK, I'm back

Here's a thought, maybe the more pressing issue, Senator, is a stand alone unemployment bill to help those people that can't pay their rent, I think the banks have enough of our money that they don't have to worry about their landlord.

I guess while ole Harry is debating Wall Street Reform, those very bankers will be issuing eviction and foreclosure notices to all of the unemployed Americans that just had their benefits cut off.

That's going to make for one fantastic visual, I hope The Ed Show does a split screen...old rich Senators sitting around talking about the billionaires on Wall Street while the "used to be middle class working family" is being thrown out on the street by those very same billionaire bankers because the old rich Senators are playing politics in the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Film at 11:00...

Originally posted to magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:07 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

    by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:07:51 PM PDT

  •  Am missing something (0+ / 0-)

    If Snowe and Collins are for a stand alone bill, that's 59 votes without Ben Nelson. If the bill is offset then they will get Nelson - 60 what's the problem?

    Second, why in the hell is Reid not using Reconciliation for passing the unemployment bill, it's budgetary and it's exempt from Pay Go.

    I don't understand what the Hell Reid is doing.

    Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

    by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:13:17 PM PDT

    •  reconciliation (2+ / 0-)
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      TXdem, bear83

      isn't a magic toy you can just pull out. There are many procedural hurdles you need to pass through that will be very time-consuming.

      And it can only be used once a year. We used that up already.

      People panic too much on this site.

      by thematt523 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:17:55 PM PDT

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      •  There is nothing that says 1 per year (0+ / 0-)

        It was used twice in 1982 & 1997
        Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982
        Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982
        Balanced Budget Act of 1997
        Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997

        Time consuming?...They spent 8 weeks on the last bill.

        Actually, under Recon, debate is limited to 20 hours

        Under the second step, the omnibus budget reconciliation measure is considered
        in the House and Senate under expedited procedures (for example, debate time in the
        Senate on a reconciliation measure is limited to 20 hours and amendments must be
        germane). The process culminates with enactment of the measure, thus putting the
        policies of the budget resolution into effect.

        Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

        by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:52:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  "There can be only one reconciliation bill (1+ / 0-)
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      each year."

      •  repeat (0+ / 0-)

        It was used twice in 1982 & 1997
        Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982
        Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982
        Balanced Budget Act of 1997
        Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997

        Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

        by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:11:15 PM PDT

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    •  If it is paid for with unspent stimulus money (0+ / 0-)

      Then Nelson will support it in all liklihood.

      •  not true (0+ / 0-)

        Nelson only said he wanted paid for.

        The Thune alternative paid for it with budget cuts not stimulus funds and Nelson for that.

        Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

        by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:54:34 PM PDT

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        •  It would be paid for (0+ / 0-)

          From unspent stimulus funds.  This way you are not adding to the deficit.

          •  Thune Alternative used NO Stimulus funds (0+ / 0-)

            and Ben Nelson voted for it!!!

            Senator John Thune has proposed legislation with an obvious surface appeal to those concerned about federal spending and deficits — to cancel 5 percent of appropriated funds for fiscal year 2010, as well as tens of billions of dollars of unspent funds from last year’s Recovery Act and other legislation. But his legislation would essentially shut down much of the federal government for the last two and a half months of this fiscal year (which ends September 30), threatening such basic services as providing Social Security checks, ensuring food safety, and inspecting mines.

            The Thune legislation, which he has offered as an amendment (SA 4333) to pending jobs legislation, proposes rescissions (that is, cancellations) of previously appropriated funding available for fiscal year 2010. Specifically, he proposes to:

               * rescind 5 percent of the funds appropriated for fiscal year 2010 from each discretionary budget account (with the cuts coming proportionately from each "program, project, and activity" funded in that account);
               * rescind another $80 billion from total unobligated balances — funds not yet legally committed, including money carried over from prior years’ appropriations — in discretionary accounts, as determined by the Administration; and
               * rescind $37.5 billion from funds appropriated in the 2009 Recovery Act.

            The amendment exempts funding for the Department of Defense (DoD) and Veterans Affairs (VA) from the first two cuts, and little of the Recovery Act funds were appropriated for those agencies.

            If enacted, the Thune amendment would have an enormous, and potentially devastating, impact on not just federal operations, but on core benefits and services that the federal government provides on a daily basis.

               * Taken together, these and other rescission provisions would reduce budget authority by $140.6 billion in 2010, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Total discretionary funding appropriated for 2010 for agencies other than DoD and VA totaled $652.3 billion, [1] according to the Office of Management and Budget. Thus, the proposed $140.6 billion cut is equal to almost 22 percent of total 2010 funding appropriated for agencies subject to the cut.
               * Since fiscal year 2010 is drawing to a close, however, the required cuts (which can only come from funds not already legally committed for agency activities so far this year) represent a much larger share of the remaining funding available for the rest of the year. Even if Congress enacts the Thune amendment before recessing for the July 4 holiday, and even if the Administration then works heroically to implement the rescissions immediately, the cuts could not possibly take effect before July 15. At that point, only two and a half months will remain in the fiscal year. And for an account that spends its funds at the same rate throughout the year, only 21 percent of the funds appropriated for 2010 would remain.

            On average, then, the Thune amendment would cut an amount equal to all of the 2010 discretionary funding remaining for agencies other than DoD and VA. Thus, his amendment would essentially shut down much of the government for the last half of July and all of August and September.

            Proponents of the Thune amendment may argue that, since the Administration would have flexibility to determine where to cut to achieve the proposed $80 billion rescission and could cancel unobligated balances provided in prior-year appropriations bills, it could protect important programs from cuts that would eliminate all of their funding for the remainder of the year. The Administration, however, will not be able to achieve the required $80 billion reduction while protecting all important programs.

            Moreover, even a program that the Administration is able to protect from the steps to cancel $80 billion in unobligated balances would not escape the ax. At bare minimum, the requirement to cut each program across the board by 5 percent of its 2010 appropriation means that about a quarter of the funds remaining for 2010 would be eliminated even for a program that is completely spared from the separate requirement to rescind $80 billion. Five percent of total funding for the year is about a quarter of the 21 percent of funding that would be left.

            A one-quarter cut in funding available for the final two and a half months of the fiscal year is unachievable without severe cuts in the services and benefits an agency provides, such as providing Social Security checks or conducting safety inspections in mines. Furloughs and layoffs would be inevitable. And that is the smallest cut that an agency would face. Many agencies would have no funds remaining for fiscal year 2010 after the various components of the Thune amendment’s cuts are all taken into account and would have to cease operations altogether.

            In sum, the Thune amendment represents an irresponsible and radical approach to the real budgetary and economic problems before the nation.


            Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

            by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:18:46 PM PDT

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          •  Screw the deficit when It comes to people not (1+ / 0-)
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            IT Professional

            having something to eat or getting thrown out of their homes.
            You sound like a teabagger, deficit this and deficit that.
            Were talking about peoples lives.

      •  OMG do guys do your homework? (0+ / 0-)

        Ben Nelson voted for the Thune Alternative and DID NOT USE A DIME OF STIMULUS FUNDS. NONE. ZERO.

        Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

        by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 10:20:38 PM PDT

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  •  this is worth passing (2+ / 0-)
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    TXdem, bear83

    This financial reform will be the first set of regulatory reforms since the New Deal. Besides, suppose the Senate HAD decided on jobless aid debate first. The Republicans could have blocked that, with no Wall Street reform.

    I understand your frustration, but Reid's hand are sort of tied.

    People panic too much on this site.

    by thematt523 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:16:55 PM PDT

  •  You know if they don't... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...get the extension passed, brace yourself for rioting.  What's the current projection, 200,000 people cut off per week? So far it has been a pretty hot summer here in Michigan, where the unemployment rate remains the highest or second highest in the nation.  I can only imagine what will happen once this takes effect.

    "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

    by Alec82 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:21:53 PM PDT

    •  ...and once the evictions start (2+ / 0-)
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      tmo, gerrilea

      I talk to a Sheriff's Deputy, not too long ago, and he hates going to work because that's all he does now.  Can you imagine how many more people will be getting thrown out on the street.

      Freedom ain't free, have you paid your share?

      by magic3400 on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:57:46 PM PDT

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    •  I hope the remember in Nov who did this to them. (0+ / 0-)
      •  I too will be homeless July 1st, clearly you (2+ / 0-)
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        ItsSimpleSimon, magic3400

        can't vote without an address, and come November, if I'm still alive (no suicide thoughts), thinking I might get killed on the "street", I will be more worried about the cold Buffalo winters than voting...

        And if there are 10 million other Americans like me, we most likely won't be voting.  So, the people they are screwing right now, won't be able to vote them out of office.

        I seriously think that's their plan, less voters, they win!

        •  Homeless Voter Registration - (0+ / 0-)

          certainly a cloudy issue in some regards, because of local (State by State) variations. But NVRA applies.

          The NVRA is mixed on this ...

          Residential Address Requirement
          Homeless people who can identify a "home base"-- a specific location they consider their home base to which they return regularly and intend to remain for the present -- should not be denied the opportunity to register to vote solely because the home base is not a traditional dwelling.  With respect to state elections, courts that have addressed the issue have held that states may not refuse to allow a homeless person to register to vote on the ground that they do not have a traditional residential address.  As far as federal elections are concerned, the uniform "national mail voter registration form," which the NVRA requires states to accept as a means of registration, allows the applicant to draw a map to indicate where he or she lives "if the applicant lives in a rural district or has a non-traditional address."  This means that homeless people who can identify a street corner, park bench, etc. as their home base by drawing a map should not be prevented from registering to vote for failing to provide a traditional residential address.
          :: ::
          Mailing Address Requirement
          Almost all states require prospective registrants to provide a mailing address.  This requirement is not prohibited by the NVRA and it does not appear to have been tested in the courts.  Whether or not a court will uphold a mailing address requirement is likely to depend on how rigidly the requirement is applied; a requirement that actually prevents homeless applicants from registering to vote is likely to constitute an unlawful restriction on the fundamental right to vote.  Several states explicitly allow registrants to identify a government office or post office "general delivery" address, or other reliable "contact points" (e.g., a shelter, church, or municipal building) as a mailing address.  If the mailing address requirement simply imposes a burden or inconvenience on the homeless applicant but does not actually prevent him or her from registering, such a requirement is likely to be upheld by the courts.

          Above from National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty

          Bottom line, if the worst happens, do not presumptively disenfranchise yourself.

  •  I don't get the reasoning (2+ / 0-)
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    tmo, magic3400

    But a Reid spokesman said the majority leader is committed to passing a Wall Street reform bill next week and predicted Republicans would block any move to do a stand-alone jobless aid bill after that measure passes.

    Is anyone surprised the Republican will try to block anything? If Snowe and Collins are on board and then back off that will be seen as what it is, simple retaliation out of spite at the expense of desperate people.

    They should just move forward with both. I just don't see any reason there is a need to choose.

    "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." -- Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama

    by Siri on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 09:51:56 PM PDT

  •  I hope Obama makes a lot of recess appointments (0+ / 0-)

    this recess, just to screw with the Repugs.

  •  You're missing the point and the last, what, (3+ / 0-)
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    ItsSimpleSimon, bgblcklab1, magic3400

    18 months of the party of "No, go screw yourself."

    If they break the provision from the bill, the GOP STILL WON'T PASS THE FUCKING THING.

    Haven't we learned that by now?  AAAAck.

    866-338-1015 toll-free to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them.

    by cany on Fri Jun 25, 2010 at 11:54:07 PM PDT

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