Skip to main content

Kossack response to the BP oil disaster is now being routed to BP-controlled image feeds and robots. You can tell there's something wrong from the titles:

BP Catastrophe Liveblog Mothership....

Its a disaster, not a "catastrophe."

There is zip-zero-nada for pictures of what is getting killed. Same for where the oil is going and what tropical storms are doing.

Typical Gulf life form - formerly a sperm whale

Please, feel free to put your pics and any-and-all graphics below.

The excuse for banning pics of the deaths is an overarching need to protect dial-up members. Recounting Minnesota didn't register such a need.

Anything to keep the 250,000 DKOS members from waking up to the slaughter ???

  1. Motherships get tethered to the Rec list
  1. These Motherships redirect everyone to ROV diaries that avoid imagery of what is happening with the BPKILL ecocide.
  1. Nothing else gets the big push. There is no environmental "Mothership" and no central image-oriented blog system rolling at DKOS to document what-all is getting slaughtered.
  1. Same for threats that materialize and such as FEMA redoing their detailed ecavuation plans. DKOS getting pushed to the ROVs makes the site damn near useless.

DKOS is near useless for following the ongoing damage to the Gulf and threats to Gulf Coast residents.

Pulling a grift on well intentioned volunteers ??? Getting them to block off the main flow of information on the BPkill ? That's exactly what has been happening. For a couple months now.

Originally posted to vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 12:37 PM PDT.

Poll

BP's oil disaster is killing big parts of the Gulf of Mexico

23%5 votes
76%16 votes

| 21 votes | Vote | Results

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  BP can't take it -- the pictures. The deaths. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jim P, sullivanst, James Robinson

    The evidence.

    This Oil Biz serving emphasis on the robots, plus banning images of ecocide in the Gulf -- no-no-no.

    Ther mothership/ROV diary system is badly out of wack with what is happening.

    DKOS needs to see the pics of what is happening.

    Images are what have the impact.

    Same for graphs, maps, charts, lab work....

    Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

    by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 12:29:08 PM PDT

  •  I will so happily rec this up (16+ / 0-)

    Should you remove the little jab at ROV.  There's no need for a conflict here; agreed that these photos are important; the one in this diary is heartbreaking.  If you clean out the small bits of grumpiness from this diary, you'll have my rec.

    climate.gov---POTUS' New Science-Based Climate Change Agency

    by GN1927 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 12:42:19 PM PDT

  •  Feh. (13+ / 0-)

    Yeah, the BP catastrophe liveblogs are all part of the conspiracy to hide the harm done.  What a crock of shit.

    Put links to ROV vids or images on there and those will get hidden too - the low bandwidth restriction applies to everything.  And you can always write a diary with as many images as you want and pimp it in the ROV, I'm sure there would be no complaint.

    Oh and by the way, from Merriam Webster:

    Main Entry: ca·tas·tro·phe
    Pronunciation: \kə-ˈtas-trə-(ˌ)fē\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Greek katastrophē, from katastrephein to overturn, from kata- + strephein to turn

    ...

    2 : a momentous tragic event ranging from extreme misfortune to utter overthrow or ruin

    Seems to fit the event pretty well.

    "With all this manure around, there has to be a pony somewhere!" - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

    by jrooth on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 12:52:11 PM PDT

    •  Correction ... (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BlackSheep1, lgmcp, Onomastic

      links will not be hidden, vids and images will.  even if they are "BP controlled"

      "With all this manure around, there has to be a pony somewhere!" - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

      by jrooth on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 12:56:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  "Catastrophe" applies to natural events. (0+ / 0-)

        "Disasters" are man-made.

        Basic diction.

        Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

        by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:16:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I've never seen that distinction (4+ / 0-)

          And I can't find it in any online dictionary either.

          Here's Random House:

          ca·tas·tro·phe   [kuh-tas-truh-fee]  Show IPA
          –noun
          1.
          a sudden and widespread disaster: the catastrophe of war.
          2.
          any misfortune, mishap, or failure; fiasco: The play was so poor our whole evening was a catastrophe.
          3.
          a final event or conclusion, usually an unfortunate one; a disastrous end: the great catastrophe of the Old South at Appomattox.
          4.
          (in a drama) the point at which the circumstances overcome the central motive, introducing the close or conclusion; dénouement. Compare catastasis, epitasis, protasis.
          5.
          Geology . a sudden, violent disturbance, esp. of a part of the surface of the earth; cataclysm.
          6.
          Also called catastrophe function. Mathematics . any of the mathematical functions that describe the discontinuities that are treated in catastrophe theory.

          Only #5 fits your description. The rest do not.

          I'll check my OED when I get home, but I doubt I'll find anything to support your claim there either.

          "With all this manure around, there has to be a pony somewhere!" - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

          by jrooth on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:35:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  The origin is Greek -- katastropha. (0+ / 0-)

            The sudden reversal in tragedy, stemming from the broken natural of the character.

            But this is always a part of the nature of the person. A natural event.

            Same applies to a catastrophe in war. The loss is man-made, but still read as natural in the sense of coming from the craven ambitions, character flaws of the leaders who got themselves into the critical situation the first place.

            In nature, catastrophes are entirely natural. Sudden crushing blows from such as earthquake and storm surges.

            Disaster is from "disastro" meaning "ill-starred." Related to bad luck. The impulse that leads to loss is man-made as a design.

            A disaster is smaller than a catastrophe. "Natural disaster" works perfectly well. But at heart, they are different by more than scale. Catastrophes, taken at full force, are either natural or of the stuff of Greek tragedy.

            **************

            This BPkill seems to me to warrant "unnatural catastrophe" along the same lines as "catastrophe at war."

            The character flaws that led to this situation were generated by the rewards and avoidance of responsibility that mark modern corporate management. The effects will be crushing and as fast as a Cat 3, 4, or 5 hurricane. The personalities of these BP and Halliburton managers we see are "unnatural" because they respond to externally motivated desires.

            They populate farce, not tragedy. They should be put out to go sailing -- for ever.

            Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

            by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:20:30 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  So you've completely reversed yourself. (4+ / 0-)

              "Catastrophe" is the better word than "disaster" since this event was not "bad luck" but rather the quite predictable result of the flawed nature of the individuals involved in the direction or oversight of the offshore oil exploration process.

              "With all this manure around, there has to be a pony somewhere!" - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

              by jrooth on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 03:27:58 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  The trivial motivations of greed and stupidity (0+ / 0-)
                leave this a disaster.

                The scale is large, but the processes that got us here belong in a farce.

                Lucy Prebble's play, ENRON, has this well laid out. The characters are tiny people. Self-deluded fools. No more than pickpockets.

                BP's exploration managers were cut from the same cloth. And their current crop of top managers are no better.

                They are as Grammar School children acting their worst.

                The effects on Gulf residents and on the environment will be catastrophic. Personal and family tragedies....

                But connecting back to BP, it will remain a disaster perpetrated by the carelessness of timid and stupid fools.

                http://www.youtube.com/...

                Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

                by vets74 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 05:25:27 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

            •  That further proves my perspective (4+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              jrooth, Yasuragi, Onomastic, yawnimawke

              That looks like a pretty good summary of what led to the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe.

              coming from the craven ambitions, character flaws of the leaders who got themselves into the critical situation the first place.

              "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

              by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 04:41:01 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  Seems to be unique to your personal dictionary (5+ / 0-)

          Everywhere else they seem to be used pretty much interchangeably; although I think the connotation tends to be that a catastrophe is worse than a disaster.

          "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

          by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:38:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  I've never made the distinction either. n/t (4+ / 0-)

          IMO, a catastrophe sounds much worse than a disaster.  

          I.e., "It was a disaster that I didn't turn in my homework" v. "It is catastrophic that my parents never even allowed me to go to school."  

    •  Other sites are doing a much better job. (0+ / 0-)

      This is a big fail for DKOS.

      Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:07:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I am confused (13+ / 0-)

    Are you seriously suggesting that DK is attempting to hide the damage from the BP spill because the discussion thread requests that pictures and video not be posted? Do you seriously believe that the guidelines for the discussion thread were devised as a conspiracy to hide the damage?

    There have been many diaries dedicated to pictures and video related to the disaster, including many that hit the rec list.

    DKOS is near useless for following the ongoing damage to the Gulf and the various threats to Gulf Coast residents.

    You might want to reconsider this diary and revise to highlight the damage rather than accuse DK of hiding the damage.

    Please help the people of Haiti

    by DWG on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 12:52:19 PM PDT

    •  This mothership/ROV_diary system is hiding... (0+ / 0-)

      damage to the extent of routing REC List support to the useless BP-provided robot feeds and away from images of eco kills and such as storm threats.

      Individual diaries appear. But with the "Mothership" getting the RECs, focus on the ecocide is minimized.

      And yes, images of the kill are banned from the individual diaries and from the Motherships.

      The older WineRev Model worked beautifully.

      No need to serve BP/Oil Biz interests. Put the newest BPkill images out there every day.

      Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:12:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  If you post pics in the mothership (8+ / 0-)

        It slows down access to the high speed challenged.  If anyone was interested there is a widget inside of everyone of those things that shows every diary and the rec list has not lacked for photo essays of the damage from the gulf.  You're kind of a trip.

        My leader is Barack Hussein Obama the finest President this country has ever elected. Face Front and Respect

        by Adept2u on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:14:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Routing members to BP-provided ROV images (0+ / 0-)

          is a mistake, right off.

          Fact is, these ROV images are utterly meaningless. You might as well be watching a washing machine.

          The high-value option is images of the killing and the maps and other visual information related to oil-generated threats to the Gulf littoral.

          Coverage, here, is on the wrong track.

          BTW: we have the front- / home-page for routing to diaries. The WineRev Model had one diary a day, no "Mothership," and it was the best long series ever.

          No one whined about dial-up users doing mass suicide....

          Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

          by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:22:54 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Do it (7+ / 0-)

            Do what you want. Use that strong but misplaced anger that you're carrying and make that diary you want to see.
            The pictures are very important.

            Education is too big to fail. Truth is too big to fail. Justice is too big to fail. Peace is too big to fail.

            by Burned on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:27:44 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I think it would be better to have somebody Cajun (0+ / 0-)

              do it.

              I'm now a long way from Louisiana. Got in with FP&L crew a couple days after Camille hit. But its not my part of the country.

              I read back through several of the ROV diaries at lunch. Compared to what WineRev did, the impact of these diaries is terrible.

              Links ??? So what ?

              Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

              by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:44:28 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  Just like WineRev (7+ / 0-)

            You too are entitled to a diary a day, to do with as you please.

            What is the burr in your saddle about Liveblogs, and how they work?
            They are intended to provide continuing coverage as long as a critical incident is underway. They have been used during fires, floods, and Congressional hearings.

            So that they are accessible to the widest number of people, who may be on dial up, or trying to stay current on a blackberry type device, they limit not only images, but the total number of comments so that they can load quickly.

            The Mothership approach was "invented" when the Rec list would be housing 2, 3, 4 live blogs at once; as each was recced up, or fell down. Now only one diary takes up such space. (And notice that the ROV posters are sacrificing an opportunity for "personal glory" by deflecting recs.)

            So, I ask, what have they ever done to you and why do you hate them so much?

            "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

            by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:32:34 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  The WineRev model? (and getting recs) (9+ / 0-)

        I'm not sure what you mean by the WineRev model. That diarist did a series on the MN recount - a diary every day as I recall. You are welcome to do the same. In fact, along your lines, we might even recommend you try the Black Water Dog model - done daily, and picture heavy to boot!

        As to recs - produce consistently quality diaries and you will likely earn followers who will regularly rec. In fact, if you hadn't decided to repeatedly sling nasty insults and innuendos about motives to the hard working folk who have been managing the Mother Ships and ROV's you could likely have counted on them to regularly point to any photo blogs you cared to post. From what I can tell, you might still get such support from them, despite being such an asshat.

        "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

        by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:22:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  The mothership is getting recs (8+ / 0-)

        to keep the discussion threads easy to find. Many savvy folks have used the discussion thread to pimp individual diaries related to the spill. It is a great way to get eyes.

        Please put together a hard-hitting diary about the wildlife mortality associated with the spill and pimp it in the ROV thread. You will accomplish a good deal more than quibbling about live blog guidelines.

        Please help the people of Haiti

        by DWG on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:23:45 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Maybe it's just me, but (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          marina, Onomastic

          I find the conventions of the Mothership hard to follow. There's a lot of links, but they seem undated, and except for the title, no guide as to what is what. Since I don't have time to click them all, I'm not sure what I'm missing. Which stories supersede or fill-out which other stories.

          Maybe if the diary links had also the 1st paragraph or so ....

          I'm mainly concerned, for instance, with what people will be experiencing a month, two or three down the road. On the web there's all sorts of claims about poisonous chemicals being breathed right this minute, the effects on people and foliage, etc. I can't really pick out, from the Mothership, which would be germane.

          Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

          by Jim P on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:12:25 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  What's "WineRev Model"? (0+ / 0-)

        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:05:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  testy, aren't we? (10+ / 0-)

    Dude, this is a community. There is room for more than one approach to the issues. Your approach is a valid one, but your attempt to invalidate the way others are handling the issue detracts from your credibility.

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes. Read the PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT Newsletter

    by mole333 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:05:13 PM PDT

  •  Pictures should be posted; so post them (12+ / 0-)

    No need to jab at a valuable diary series with a different mission.

    FYI, the liveblogs all post to external links of "the pictures BP doesn't want you to see." Why push them away when you can give them more pictures?

    Arizona: The Sundown State

    by James Robinson on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:11:01 PM PDT

  •  The way to deal with the (9+ / 0-)

    issue is to post a diary such as this and have a link in the Mothership.  So, kudos for providing the diary and the pics.  

    However, no tip or rec for you from me for the smarmy attitude towards Liveblogs and how they work, and for your churlish behaviour this morning.

    Next time, try to work with people, instead of simply acting out.

    But I'm not givin' in an inch to fear, 'cause I promised myself this year. I feel like I owe it to someone.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:15:46 PM PDT

    •  Churlish behavior this morning? (4+ / 0-)

      How about this afternoon.

      Pulling a grift on well intentioned volunteers ??? Getting them to block off the main flow of information on the BPkill ? That's exactly what has been happening. For a couple months now.

      "I want to apologize for that misconstrued misconstruction." Rep Joe Barton

      by Catte Nappe on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:25:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What else ? (0+ / 0-)

        This Mothership/ROV-diary operation is not worth a dime on the WineRev Model dollar.

        1. The system itself is uselessly clumsy.
        1. The ban on pics is both unnecessary and damaging.

        "Recounting Minnesota" worked perfectly.

        Best ever.

        That model is exactly how DKOS should cover the BPkill.

        And, yes, fuck the Oil Biz. Simple sociopathic greed from these bastards is killing huge parts of the Gulf littoral, despite any and all efforts of corporate media to depict today's events as a "Clean-Up Operation."

        Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

        by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:31:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  standard link titles in ROVS point to: (6+ / 0-)

    NYT: Putting a face on the Gulf oil leak
    Charlie Riedel's Gulf photos grimly resonate
    NBC video coverage of Charlie Riedel photography
    "Boston.com: "Scenes From The Gulf of Mexico"
    Boston.com: "Caught in the oil"
    CBS birds video

    so we can notify and share, respectfully.
    thanks for your diary, v74.

    The Addington perpwalk is the trailhead for accountability in this wound on our national psyche. [...you know: Dick Cheney's "top" lawyer.] --Sachem

    by greenbird on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:22:29 PM PDT

    •  Links are altogether different from mirroring (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jim P

      content and generating live discussion.

      DKOS is failing, here, at what the WineRev series did so well.

      Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:26:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Death of this whale not yet tied to the spill (6+ / 0-)

    according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, whose ship located the dead whale.

    Link to the story of the discovery here:
    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/...

    the ship that found it will dock tomorrow. Necropsy results of samples taken may not be ready for weeks.

    Texas is NO Bush League! LBJ, Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:26:51 PM PDT

    •  Look at the fucking oil. (0+ / 0-)

      @#$%&^%$$%^&*)(*&^%$@#$%^&*&^%.........

      This poor thing is covered in it. The whole of its underside.

      Nothing can live in poison.

      Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:34:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  read the story. the subadult whale was not found (4+ / 0-)

        in oiled waters.

        Based on the estimated size of the whale, scientists believe it is a sub-adult. Its condition suggests it may have been dead for between several days to more than a week. Although it was not found in oiled water, NOAA marine mammal experts are using hindcasting analysis to look into the location from which the whale carcass may have drifted.

        While it is impossible to confirm whether exposure to oil was the cause of death, NOAA is reviewing whether factors such as ship strikes and entanglement can be eliminated. Samples collected from this carcass will be stored under proper protocols and handed off when the Pisces comes to port on July 2, or possibly if another boat is sent to meet the Pisces. Full analysis of the samples will take several weeks.

        Texas is NO Bush League! LBJ, Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:41:47 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Start your own mothership for god's sake. (6+ / 0-)

    Or get others here on board to do it.  There have been proposals for BPSpill green and/or clean up motherships.  There's interest here.

    Just because someone had an idea early on to cover the gusher itself, certainly doesn't mean other motherships are taboo.  If you haven't noticed, the system is based on recommendations and ratings.

    Your conclusion is ridiculous on its face and not helping anyone -- particularly the Gulf.

    •  I'm sorry, but the system is not working. (0+ / 0-)

      There are weekly collection, mostly links. You are right:

      There have been proposals for BPSpill green and/or clean up motherships.  There's interest here.

      WineRev was a perfect A+ because he had the local culture in his bones.

      I would dearly love to see someone from Louisiana bear the Cross on this one.

      Put up the diary every day. Add local input. Be there to find out what the corporate types are doing on the ground.

      Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:50:44 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I suggested in the last ROV diary that you (11+ / 0-)

    collect a database of all the pictures you can (I have plenty I can send to you) and gather them so people can see them. I bet they would even be linked on the rov, for those wanting to see.

    "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." Groucho Mark

    by hester on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:42:18 PM PDT

  •  I have been participating in the rovs since (6+ / 0-)

    the beginning and I can reliably say they are not shelling for bp. Throughout the diary series, there have been numerous links to the devastation this catastrophe has unleashed on the wildlife. I know you have seen these links because I have seen your comments throughout the series as well. You are being disingenuous at best and ignorant at worst. If you feel the need to view catastrophe porn, please start you own series. The rovs will be more than happy to allow you to pimp your diaries in theirs. This you know well also or you should. In short, stop bitching and do something. I will be happy to support you efforts as long as they do not include bashing the good intentions of the rovs and the mothership.

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 01:58:53 PM PDT

  •  good thing that is not the only diary available (7+ / 0-)

    out here..above water..people certainly post pics..lots of them too..wonderful..and difficult ones too..

    good thing we have these "above water diaries" too

  •  Thanks. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    vets74, Onomastic

    That's been my puzzlement all along with this "Mothership" business. It seems a bunch of links, undated, and I can't seem to pick, or sort out, the ones which give the real-life story of what's happening. Or that give the latest news on real-world health effects and dangers to humans and other living creatures.

    I'm sure part of that is my lack of wit, but still, I'd like to be able to go somewhere and see, and read, what's happening in a coherent, time-ordered, narrative.

    Here's a link to the Countdown video from last night's icebergslim's diary. It is the first time I saw the smoking water, looking very much like Kuwait after the gulf war. And that I saw the vast extent of the oil and dispersant surface slicks. (The last video in iceberg's, scroll down at the Countdown link blog)

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:02:50 PM PDT

  •  Oh and one other thing.nobody controls me pal (5+ / 0-)
  •  I sympathize with your anger (8+ / 0-)

    Keep it up.  Act out.  Get a posse going.  Put up a daily diary of pics and videos of dead oily animals and stained beaches.  You'll find lots of people interested.

    But what's the point of pissing all over people who have their own approach?  By the way, the people in the ROV diaries are angry too.  They're not supporting BP!  Or following BP's suggestions.  They're just trying to share info and make the thread accessible to everyone.  If that doesn't suit you, do something different.

    Or maybe you're just having fun yanking the ROVer's chains.  Mission accomplished.

    Best wishes.

    •  There's been enough of heavy-handed censorship (0+ / 0-)

      to keep the mothership/ROV system at center stage.

      Compared to what WineRev did........

      Career criminals + Angry White Teabaggers and racists + Personality Disorder delusionals + Pro-Life Christians =EQ= The GOPer Base

      by vets74 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:27:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Who cares about the rec list? (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        greengemini, Yasuragi, Onomastic

        The point of this community is giving everyone who wants it, a way to voice their ideas.  If you make good points.  People will listen.  If not, type in BOLD and swear a lot.  Kidding.

        I don't know  what the fuck WineRev was.

        I think you pissed off some ROVers.  Would it kill you to drop over there an offer an apology?  Think about it.  It's a pretty cool group.  You could have fun there.  

  •  what wrong with posting links to pictures (6+ / 0-)

    I've posted many links to the birds and marine life that has been killed in the gulf in the ROV diary

    "I want to be in Kentucky when the end of the world comes, because it's always 20 years behind" -Mark Twain

    by vet on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:33:17 PM PDT

  •  Diarist, I sense a lot of anger and frustration. (7+ / 0-)

    I certainly am feeling both. But it seems a little unfair to unleash on the ROV diaries. A lot of us are very interested in how the progress below decks is going. I in fact search out the status updates on the ROV's to find what is going on down there.

    As far as pictures - yes sir, there are a place and time for all of the evidence of the destroyed, mammals, fish, birds, marshes etc.. but as one commenter noted above, it's like "catastrophe porn". I don't need to see it to know it's occurring. In fact, when I do see it - it makes me more depressed and more angry. If I wanted to  literally watch fish dying, I'd throw a couple of quarts of 10-40 and a bottle of Dawn dish soap into my 240 gallon aquarium. That would be some real fine entertainment. NOT.

    I truly hope that all the people at BP who are responsible for this disaster get as part of their sentence, a couple of quality hours a day of watching the videos of the desctruction they have brought to the GOM.

    "I have ferrets with fins" - African Cichlids. And 3 pooties too! Ren, Stimpy (15 yrs) and Rocky (3 yrs)

    by mrsgoo on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 02:43:44 PM PDT

    •  I think just posting links to pix/vids... (5+ / 0-)

      is actually the responsible thing to do for this reason:

      As far as pictures - yes sir, there are a place and time for all of the evidence of the destroyed, mammals, fish, birds, marshes etc.. but as one commenter noted above, it's like "catastrophe porn". I don't need to see it to know it's occurring. In fact, when I do see it - it makes me more depressed and more angry.
      mrsgoo

      By posting links to the pictures & videos of the horrible effects of the oil gusher, the author provides the reader opportunity to choose to see the images or not. Repeated exposure to the images of sick, dying or dead wildlife and marine environment has potential to lead to emotional damage (depression & anxiety) which can hamper one's ability to take positve action.  

      •  Spot On. I guess I'm just sensitive. I cannot (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        vets74, Yasuragi

        watch that sort of thing. Last night on Olbermann when the guy was narrating that the dolphins were sticking their heads straight out of the water - like they were looking around and going WTF. I lost it. I'm sure that exactly what they were doing. WTF? What did we do to deserve this? We're dying here. WTF? And here I go crying again for those poor dolphins that we, we, we have killed for 2.45 a gallon gas. FUCK! My g-d forgive us for our transgressions on this earth that was entrusted to us.

        "I have ferrets with fins" - African Cichlids. And 3 pooties too! Ren, Stimpy (15 yrs) and Rocky (3 yrs)

        by mrsgoo on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 10:22:17 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Despite terrific work here, we are still not (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    vets74, Onomastic, jadt65

    getting the evidence of the massive death out there. The reason is that I, say, have no way to fly helicopters over the Gulf. The problem is not this site's, it's the media's/BP/Administration.

    Pareto Principle: 20% of the people do 80% of the work.

    by jeff in nyc on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 03:43:38 PM PDT

  •  impressionable pictures should just have a little (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yasuragi, Onomastic, yawnimawke

    warning before a user clicks and sees it..that is common curtosy..otherwise someone pulls up something shocking when they aren't prepared...

  •  in the rov series - there are some very sad pics (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yasuragi, Onomastic, yawnimawke

    up in the front of the diary with a warning for hold someone's hand when looking..
    they are uncensored and very heartbreaking indeed.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site